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that was after the summit. no mention the hearing had anything to do with what happened during the talks. because it probably didn't. with live in the real world. or at least we try to keep a grip on the. let's go to cuomo "prime time." >> welcome to "prime time." abuse of power. that is a scary phrase when it comes to congressional action against the executive and that is where democrats are headed. what's the basis? what's the goal. we have one of the investigators here. one of the most powerful democrats on the hill. time to test. the democrats have a list of 81 names they want information from. one is the president first campaign manager corey lewandowski. why? i'll get that answer and put it to the man himself. can he argue that this president is about use of power not abuse. speaking of abuse of power did the president try to block our
parent companies new merger to pursue a vendetta? sees so. is that impeachable? let's get after it. so if it feels like we have entered a new faze in the over sight world that would be because we have. the head of the committee that would be in charge of the the impeachment process says it was clear the president committed obstruction. really? they want to call 81 trump associates including father and mother members and orgss to hand over documents pertaining to the obstruction, corruption and abuse of power probe. this is phase one. what's the basis, where does it go? let's bring in the chairman of the house democratic caucus. good to see you. thank you for taking the opportunity in person. so, chairman nadler says the president committed obstruction.
on what bay snis. >> there's a reason to believe he has consistently obstructed the administration of justice. you can start exhibit a being the termination of james comey. who at the time was presiding over a national security investigation into whether russian spies cooperated with the trump campaign. to sell out democracy. interfere with the election and artificially place trump in the presidency. it's extraordinary that any president at any moment in american history would terminate the lead investigator. trump did it and indicated publicly dhe it because he was concerned about as he called it this russia thing. >> there's a sticky wicket there. that's not what you're doing. politically, looking at abuse of pow makes obstruction something different. a pattern of behavior you believe is beneath the norm of the office. not necessarily a felony.
is that a distinction you want to draw? >> that is part of the distinction. one, a broader culture of corruption. two, whether that was a pattern of abuse of power that this president has consistently engaged in. he's charged constitutionality will taking care the laws are faithfully executed. it appears it may have been the case he's consistently under mining the rule of law. we want to find out the answer to that question. of course there's the obstruction of justice component. he tired james comey, he fired the prosecutor presiding over investigations that subsequently came o light in the southern drigt of new york. fired sally yates. doesn't seem to have been a reason why he did so. other than she was concerned about michael flynn being a russian asset. communicated that.
she's gone. and even fired jeff sessions because he was frustrated sessions had recused himself. these are top investigators at the doj for the fbi. >> all sob ordinate to him. the exec tiff has tremendous pour over him. that was the legal difficulty. how do you get it from the republicans. 75% of your own. they are lined up here anyway they have growing fundamental opposition of the president. on the other side there's needs ton overwhelming evidence ov anything to get them to go against one of their own. how do you get there? >> we're commencing this investigation without having a predetermined out come. we want to gather the facts i, apply the law and allow the american people to make a decision about what has transpired. there's a cult of criminality that has surrounded the president of the united states
that should trouble everyone. democrats, republicans and independent. >> is that what mueller is for? you'll deal with fatigue. people having juicing the out come. we tell people not to set themselves up for disappointment with the probe. i'll get swept up. forget it. when the report comes out or it's thin. or redacted or kept from them. people will be like that's a waste. you have to deal with fatigue. people think what you're doing is what they have seen. >> mullers report is app kored in a national security investigation whether there was actual collusion. it does seem to me that there appears to be a relationship between russian spies, who attacked our democracy, wikileaks. and members of the trump campaign. the glue may have been roger
stone. these are things the american people should know. we have a separate and coequal responsibility as a independent branch of government to make sure that we serve as a check and balance on a potentially out of control executive branch. >> 81 people on the list. the question will be how much is too much. how much of our time and money has been taking up by going after somebody that you don't like that got elected. how do you deal with that? >> we'll continue to focus on the for the people agenda. anchored around lowering healthcare costs. driving down prescription drugs. we have had several hearings in that area. you'll see legislation shortly. a real infrastructure plan. $1 trillion to fix bridges and roads and mass transportation system.
it will create 16 million good paying jobs. in a bipartisan way. we'll move hr 1 the reform legislation. to clean up corruption. >> you do both? >> we have a constitutional responsibility to do over sight. we will not over politicize or over investigate or over reach. we'll do our constitutional responsibility. >> is michael cohen the first foot to put forward? >> he was an important witness. he's closely connected to the trump organization. you have several layers of possible criminality. >> you have probable criminality. with cohen connection to the president. there's a very strong case that he admitted to a felony. new defense is it's not a real felony he never tried it in court. he admitted to it. it's absurd in the criminal justice system. politically it didn't really ever happen.
while president trump was in office he was part of what was going on there. it doesn't seenl the republicans care. we don't believe him and it's not a big deal. that's a felony. >> they're functioning like -- not independent representatives consistent with the vision of the constitution. that's unfortunate. if you think about the testimony, he presented evidence or ron reason to believe this was tax frud, insurance fraud, bank fraud and electoral fraud. and a host of other things he's probably discussing with the prosecutors from the southern district of new york. that was a reasonable place for a chairman nullings to start. >> why corey lewandowski? >> he falls on a list of vi individuals and entities that have been interviewed by the special prosecutor, by the southern district of new york or fallen within the span of
individuals of interest that outside investigators want to see. what nadler indicated we'll reach out to either talk to or get documents from individuals who have already produced documents. so that it's not a fishing expedition. but part or our responsibility. corey lewandowski obviously as the initial campaign manager to trump has something to say about what may have taken place between the trump campaign and russia. >> there's nothing specific to him? it's about getting a feel for bha you're looking into? >> that's correct. >> all right. congressman, i make the pledge to you and on the other side. as you want to discuss the issues that develop in this probe, and any agenda for the american people. you have a place here to do it. >> thank you. >> be well, thank you. lots of names on the trump list you'll recognize. corey lewandowski is not just a long name it's a well known name. i asked why they want to talk to
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i want that deal blocked. meaning once again the president would have lied to your face when he said this. >> i'm not going to get involved. it's litigation. >> just like the security clearances. i'll have nothing to do with it. except he had everything to do with it. and hopes you keep expecting nothing better from him. i do. that's the cnn logo it matter to me. it's a source of plid. it matters to everyone who works here for you. i wornt talk about the deal if i thought there was something wrong with the deal. i would avoid it. google and you will see this deal was a no brainer merger. look for precedent of deals like it being denied. it wasn't about the deal. it was about putting me before the we. for this president that means coming after people who question him like cnn. and coming to the aid of those who play for his team. like fox. a company that also happened to have a big dollar merger in the
works at the same time that at&t did with cnn parent company. the doj gave a thumbs up to the fox disney deal. and he congratulated the ceo claiming the deal would create jobs. >> the president spoke with the earlier today. congratulating him on the deal. and thinks that to use one of the president's favorite words this could be a great thing for jobs. >> now, experts in the field say mergers like that create the opposite effect when it comes to jobs. what's true, is that in the abss we see the president doing exactly what he said hi wouldn't do. playing to big corporation for personal gain. >> i am not behold to any special interest. nobody owns trump. i'm not controlled by all the people that control cruz. that control hilary. with me, it doesn't work that way. okay? nobody controls me.
>> nobody? tell sean hannity. here's the defense. even if the president wanted to do what i report, it never happened. the report is the new yorker article even says cone told kelly they wouldn't going to call the doj. it fits pattern of those around the president. having to say no to a direct order. chief on staff firing people in the white house. secretary of defense ignoring defense to assassinate the syria president. or white house. counsel refusing to fire mueller. ignoring lt president has become standard procedure should be worrisome. now, how big a deal is the president trying to mess with a merger? highly respected voices say this is a path to impeachment. i will not fan the flames. i don't see it. it fits into a pattern. get used to the fraez abuse of power. now congressman nadler is citing
exact exactly that as motivation for deep digging on the dund. what he does may not be right. if so, it could be an abuse of power. not a crime. but a contamination of his office all the same. so, we have that for you. there's also more big news tonight. the senate now has the votes to reject the president's national emergency. a big blow for republicans to publicly break with him. will they stick it out? who will it mean for them and 2020? great debate. next. okay, paint a picture for me. uh, well, this will be the kitchen. and we'd like to put a fire pit out there, and a dock with a boat, maybe. why haven't you started building? well, tyler's off to college... and mom's getting older... and eventually we would like to retire. yeah, it's a lot. but td ameritrade can help you build a plan for today and tomorrow. great. can you help us pour the foundation too?
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happens? the first blow of many. here for a great debate. thank you both. so, mike, are they doing right thing by voting gensz this on the republican side? >> i don't think so. i don't think it's a huge break. it's a limited number of senators. the senate rules work. all the democrats will vote for this and some republicans are. the vast majority of republicans in the house and senate and the vast majority of the republicans across the country at the grassroots lel want the president to do this. he'll veto it and build the wall. it will be yesterday's news by next week. >> i don't know, you take up the point. i don't know that republicans want him to do it this way. certainly mitch mcconnell said i didn't want him to do it this way. even if they vote a little bit against it. had voe tees it. they don't have two third.
does he get a win anyway? >> this is going to be a big defeat even if he over rides the veto. the numbers are the numbers. there aren't the votes to over ride the veto in the house or senate. what happens here to the president it shows he lost control. losing control in a significant way of the republican party. that because once they feel comfortable questioning the president, once and they survive, they'll do it again as things move forward. it also is going to send a message that will undo the president. that he is not infallible. people will question him. he's just doesn't get to dictate anymore even to his own party. so i think this will have a real ripple effect. i don't think i don't think polls indicate that broad based every day republicans in the united states want this done. does the core 30% or whatever
the number is or with with the president all the time no matter what? yes. >> you have people over the majority plus. so everybody in the country. >> right. >> believes that you should have physical barriers. this is about how their doing it. >> and how much and how bradly. >> ran paul's voice seems like the ghost of principles past. i cannot let an executive have this power. i didn't want obama to have it. and can't let trump. >> that's important. to say it's the president being rejected and the party is not with him, they're with him on the policy. a few senators who care about the principle and guess what president trump doesn't care thabt and the american people don't care about it. this is why he was elected. remember when warren had her moment in the senate and mcconnell said she persisted.
it's a bumper sticker. she was breaking the senate rules. and said i don't care about the rules. this is old. i don't care about the rules. that is the approach the president has. why would he in his mind not get something done that that's in hi agenda when he has the power to do it. there's 60 emergencies carried out just like this. because och senate rules. >> none like this. >> i'm telling you this is his perspective and why you can't extrapolate this into the republican party now has a problem with the president. that's absurd. they want the wall and to do whatever it takes. he got elected to cut through washington's old rules and get things done. >> quick take on that. how you get it done doesn't matter as long as you do the right thing. >> the constitution matters. the separation of powers matters. >> did it matter with daca? >> in the case of this you're
hearing own republicans saying why didn't you go into the can want of defense budget and take money from there which would be in their eyes within his power. no declaration of emergency has been used for something like this. ever. there are legal -- >> there have been 60 of them. including national security. >> nothing like this. it's about seizing assets from people. and give it back. you make an interesting angle on it. another consideration of mine. u try to keep to a minimum talking about my brothers and sisters. doing the job. it comes off catty. i'm not looking for those fights. what the president is doing here does fold into his fox strategy. he knows he can do something the wrong way and he will get an echo from fox. and that he will magnify his message that way and go around the other lawmakers. even if they vote him down he
has the trump tree over there in prime time television to attack whoever goes against him. are you worried about that? you have to worry about getting your butt whooped on cable television all night. >> first of all i work at cnn. secondly i'm not worried about that. there's clearly room for dissent in the republican party. that's how you started the -- the base of the party the grassroots wants something to be done and the brand of the president when he ran for office he said i'm different. hillary clinton would follow the rules and not get anything done. >> fair point. he said he would be better. and wouldn't play to corporate interest. he took care of fox. and attacked at&t. he's playing favorites. they say whatever he wants. and he follows their lead. >> i want to go back to the point. the majority of rank and file
republicans do not support the way the president is doing this. with the emergency declaration. poll after poll shows that. i will yield that that core base that never leaves the president will support him in this. it is just inaccurate to say that broadly american republicans want this to happen. and look you're seeing members of the republican party in the senate calling for meetings with the vice president. to gain assurances that they're not losing money from their state for defense projects. we saw the new senator from arizona do this and couldn't get clear information on what projects would be cut as it relates to military spending. the congress and the senate spend great detail and time -- what money is going to be spent on. and to disregard that, what national security impacts could that have?
we don't know. >> at the end of the day the president has the power. how he chooses to use it will be a point of political scrutiny. within the party and the country. gross oversteps of it when it's not in a vote like this, that's what the democrats are going after. this will a referendum by the american people. they'll vote it up or down based on the results. thank you for making the case. always a pleasure. >> thank you. >> he raged. he swore. he broke out in a sweat. i don't know what this was. modern day presidential. >> these people are sick. they try to take you out with bull hit. attorney general says i'll recuse myself. what's your name? sir, raisin.
what the hell name? like the fruit? >> i'm angry. i'm going to feel angry the way you are. i'm angry at the same people and i'll mess with them. that was a huge sell for the president of the united states. and the reverberation hasn't ended yet. they were eating their own. in that coming together this year. giants of the party got a beat down. corey lewandowski part of the anderson cooper techtu . how does he feel about both? can he make the case for the president tonight? oose. but depend® fit-flex feels tailored to me. with a range of sizes for all body types. depend® fit-flex underwear is guaranteed to be your best fit. so many interesting details.
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they'll find something it's whether or not they'll find enough to impact public perception and members on the other side of the aisle. my next guest is going to factor into this. corey lewandowski. welcome back. >> thank you, chris. great to be back. >> you're on the list. how do you feel about it? >> well, look. i'm joined by others that include the government service administration. the fbi. the department of justice. and a number of government agencies. so i'm not sure what they're looking for, what i can tell you is any e-mails i have have been turned over. i'm sure they have been gone through. i have candid, i have testified in front of the house committee on two occasions 12 hours. senate committee. members of congress have access to that information. so i'm sure if there's anything there they want to talk about. >> you'll be open? you'll comply. >> they'll have the opportunity to review the testimony.
i have been very clear that i have had nothing to hide. i have been very clear. there was no collusion. there was no cooperation. no coordination. >> that you knew about. if i told you about manafort was doing and stone, you wouldn't have said there was no collusion and no problem, right? >> look, i think -- i can't justify what paul or roger. >> i know. >> i have nothing to do with that. when i was there, i was never contacted by a government official who the obama administration was in charge of the ballot and security, integrity during the 2016 election. i never got a phone call that said russians are trying to hack the campaign. >> the fbi came to you and told kwou exactly that in july. the fbi told you exactly that. >> i was gone in july. >> i know. it's part of the record. >> the fbi never came to me and said paul manafort is someone we have an interest in. or potential bad actors.
if they were so concerned about that, they should have come to us and said we have some concern. >> they did. >> not to me. >> don't say they didn't come to us. they came to the campaign. you weren't there anymore. the reason i'm asking, you haven't answered everything people want to talk to you about. in the beginning you were pushing back. and didn't want to talk about things and presidential immunity and that stuff. >> i never asked for presidential immunity. >> privilege. privileged conversations. he's got to deal with that, not you. if you're asked questions, will you answer them? >> i sat there for 12 hours. before i left i said i will sit here for another four hours to answer every single one of your questions to the house intelligence committee. i said before we leave today, i want to be very clear. i will sit and answer ever question. and i went around the room. nobody had anymore questions after 12 hours.
>> you said there were areas you wouldn't talk about. >> i said i will talk about anything that happened at the campaign. of course i will. i have been open about that. i'll do it all the time. that's what my expertise is. any information that transpired at the campaign. >> as long as you're playing straight you'll be fine and we'll see where it goes. and police it. there's no reason for overreach on any level. a couple quick other things. if they vote against the emergency declaration, what does that mean? >> it means the president will veto it. clearly. they don't have the votes in the house or the senate to over ride the veto. and it's very common for congress to send bills to the president and veto. >> this would be the first. for him. mcconnell insulated him.
>> to be fair obama didn't have vetoes in two years either because he had a democrat congress. that is what happens in a congress that is not all gom governed or controlled by one party. >> you want to build a wall, you want to build more fencing, fine. whether the situation justifies it or not. that's a political debate. don't do it this way. this isn't what the law is for. you said it yourself it's not an emergency. >> it's a very small amount of mup which the national emergency is going to be able to access. most of the money is drug forfeit money. at the treasury department. money allocated by congress. the last $3 billion he's declaring the emergency for. i could be wrong, that the democrats have already filed suit to stop him from doing this. that's the case, this will
reside in the court somewhere and they'll make the decision. i believe under the constitution it's been used 58 times. >> never for this. >> chris, don't forget obama used a declaration of emergency when 12 people died from the swine flu. that's a fact. many more people died from people coming across the border illegally. >> that's not the standard. it's freezing assets and doing quick things. mobilizing the power of the purse to get it done in the moment and return it to them. this is not urgency. there's no epidemic of flu or concern. >> obama determined that 12 people dying from a swine flu was enough to declare a national emergency. this president. >> it was about the the moment. this president said i don't have to do this right now. >> thousands are dying. >> thousands are not dying because there is no wall.
correlation is not causation. because the people have come across illegally and done wrong things doesn't mean you're a wall way from fixing it. news flash. there's a time there will be a reckoning about the reality on the border. and we will see those people are not asking for wall to fix what the biggest problems are. one other thing while i have you. the big story in the new yorker is not news. great reporting. but not news. this tv out let state tv fox and prime time, they say the president does. i have never seen anything like it. sean hannity never seen power like that in the media. the president does what he says. are you worried about that? >> let's go back and point out the facts. bill bradly during the kennedy administration the "washington post" was the go to source. ben roads brother the deputy
national security adviser irnd obama. his brother is the president of cbs news. so let's not point out -- >> my brother is the governor of new york. those are individual cases. it's not a systemic effort of an entire net work to do nothing but ignore anything and attack other journalists who report different. >> cbs news didn't get special access to obama? >> yes. >> of course they did. >> not like fox. >> of course it did. >> all the interviews. he gives a handful to anybody else. it's true. >> this president has been more accessible to the media than -- >> that's poppycock. he won't come on cnn. had goes where he gets a pat on the back. that's fine to seek warm waters. that's fine. for an entire organization to
reward that is something different. we have never seen anything like it. >> shepherd smith is critical of the president. so -- >> you are picking viindividual to make a case. there's a host of people that people don't know. i used to work at fox. in prime time tv and from management perspective, they are pawns for the president. and you know it. and you went crazy when one contributor gave questions a topic areas. before a town hall where there is no opponent. to clinton. you went nuts and i agree. debate questions to donald
trump. silence. come on. >> i don't know that. i was never made aware of that. it never happened when i was there. i can say that. >> no. you can say that you didn't know that they did that. you cannot say it didn't happen. >> i did the debate prep. for 12 presidential primary debates. fox news didn't give us one question. that's a fact. the report is wrong. the report says that sean hannity and bill shine their kids are each others god parents or whatever. that's not true. let's not take every word in the new yorker to be factual accurate. you have relationships with people you work with, it makes sense you would have. >> i have no problem with shine. or sean hannity being close. feeling like brothers. they work together. i have no problem with it. from management perspective, what they do there is something we have never seen before.
with their prime time line up. >> we have seen it on the other side. look at the hatred at msnbc ef night. they have made their living and net work the i hate trump net work. that's a fact. the anchors all hate trump. they don't have conservatives on. there's not one conservative on msnbc who has a tv show to give the other side. they made that decision. >> who's the democrat over there? >> rachel mad dow. is she not a democrat? >> i'm talking about fox. where's the center? the regular republican perspective in the prime time line up? let leave it there. i won't hate on other talent. we have never seen anything like it from a an organization. >> don't pioint out the -- they do it for ratings.
fox does it on the conservative side to be a balance. >> i disagree with the premise. that's not the job. you have to have both sides. i have you here. maybe that's why i don't rate higher. i should pick a side. >> you'll do just fine. >> be well. thank you for making the case. i appreciate it. three big questions. on everyone's mind tonight. at least mine. the president and the investigation that are hounding him. i have a new segment. coming at me on twitter. i'll get answers to three big questions i think are central to a common concern. next. -guys, i want you to meet someone. this is jamie. you're going to be seeing a lot more of him now. -i'm not calling him "dad." -oh, n-no. -look, [sighs] i get it. some new guy comes in helping your mom bundle and save with progressive, but hey, we're all in this together. right, champ?
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new segment and a special guest. this man wrote today in the "new york times" that the mob prosecution tactic maybe the key to taking town this president if it happens at all. lots of questions on everybody's mind. there tr three i want to get answers for you. thank you, congratulations on the piece. the idea of going after the mob. those kinds of tactic. how does that play into the best and worst situation is as the out come from the mueller?
>> it's a great question. i think the big picture we have to keep in mind is that the best case scenario for the mueller investigation for the southern district of new york and the investigation to the donald trump is they don't find anything. we don't want to be in a situation where we find out that the president is an active agent of russian intelligence. or the president has been compromised by russia or other foreign entities or financial interest for some period of time. i think the flip side of that is if there is evidence of guilt, what it needs to be is a -- we were talking about this last week. it needs to be not a single instance. it needs to be a pattern of corruption and conspiracy stretching over a long period of time. >> i don't personally see it. i'm happy to be wrong. i see it on the oversight side. they don't have the same stand
for performance. bh you look at the democrats oversight. what's the plus minus on that? >> the plus minus again is they do have this different burden of proof. so their challenge is a a are there things short of a fed felony that we don't want part of our democratic system, that we don't want be to behavior candidates campaigning for public office has engaged in. and i think it's clear donald trump hassall ru already krauze line. >> i told people abuse of power. it's not a crime. it's about a standard of behavior. the last one. i hate to put you on the spot. we both know that's a lie. what do you think the category
will be that holds the biggest thing that comes out of the mueller report? >> i think we are going to see one nor indictment, at least one more round of indictments coming out of this. in part because bob mueller, the only thing heb absolutely controls is what comes out in the court filing. whatever reports he turns over to the attorneygeneral, and the attorney general then decides to turn over to congress, mueller doesn't necessarily uncan troll that. what he controls is the court filing and the underlying indictment. he has material dealing with communications with russia, wuky leaks the trump campaign and i think we're doing to soothat come can out in a final investigation, probably a charge of conspiracy against the united states or conspiracy to defraud. >> that would be a gutsy call by
him and by you. thank you very much. collusion is a behavior. gets you conspiracy. the good news today. we see a handful of republicans willing to stand up for what they've always said they believe in. that's what this national eme e emergency vote is about. principals verses politics. what chous are they going to make? i have an argument.
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notion of separation of power. remember how d.a.c.a. out weighed. there's a statute to allow for the president to declare an emergency. but that never contemplated, never been used to do anything like what this president is trying. everybody knows. but what will they do? we're now at four gop who say it's too much to swallow rand pa paul, thom tillis. remember what righties like rand paul said about o-obama and d.a.c.a.? >> the president acts like he's a king. he arrogantly says if congress will not act, then i must. >> okay. it applies right now every bit as much and he own oed it. i would literally lose my
political soul, he says, if i decided to treat president trump different than president obama. but there are a lot of soulless folks running around and that's why so many hate this game. because it is a game. it's about positioning, not principal. brazen not truly brave. do these men and women really fear the president more than surrending what they used to say mattered most? this president answered that question with a smile >> i think republicans that vote against border security the wall, i think they put themselves at great jeopardy. >> and i'm not telling anybody what to do. that's the job for the folks on state tv. you know the one whose do tell the president what to do and they listen and follow. i'm just forcing the issue of going at people who are not doing what they say their
principals are are. the problem, however, is going to be bigger than just a simple no vote. even if the four senators stand strong, so will potus. he see as win. he's going to go for it. he's not burdened by principals. it's going to veto and then take 2/3 override. we can't even get 67% of the house and senate to agree about separation of power. they know it's an abuse of the statute and. an emergency that president said is not an emergence. 67%. you barely pass a test with that great and it will likely show all those except the most ardent trumpers that gop has once again failed. it will reinforce a bigger
decadeca decay. people hate the process and increasingly they think so little of the people in it that they elected a president whom they knew checked very few if any boxes. why? because they don't think those traits matter anymore. they actually preferred to send someone to washington because in part seemed to dislike the same people and that's tweaks the media. but all of that actually comes across to his supporters as him fighting the bad guys on their own terms. and that's where we are. that's the real deal. and right now we are living a moment that matters. 12 days. the vote has to 457en. mitch mcconnell doesn't like the president doing this.
he's asking for a democrat to force an emergency on him sooner or later brut he cant work his manlic and find a way to get the votes. this moment is going to tell us a lot. i hope we're surprised. i hope the outcome doesn't meet our lowest expectations. we all know it's way past time to show that we cebe better than how we are right now. is this the moment that righteousness will come? we'll see. all right. how about a bonus hour of cuomo prime time. democrats coming after the president in a waw we have not seen before. casting a wide net over trump world. what are they looking for? how far do they plan to go? we have a key law mocker here. what can he tell us? and wasn't today the day the white house was supposed to get back to the oversight committee on security clearances? and missed it? what could they