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asking that this morning. the polls look good for biden. this not so much. >> how many of you would like to see joe biden get in? show of hands. >> what's happening? >> his time is done. >> back in 2020 in a moment, but we begin this hour at the white house where trump's frustration with democrats is boiling over onto his twitter feed. this after house democrats cast a very, very wide net yesterday, dropping a document request on at least 81 people, agencies and entities, including the president's two sons, campaign officials, employees from the trump organization and former white house employees, among others. the president clearly distressed saying on twitter, quote, the greatest overreach in the history of our country. the dems are demanding justice and will not get anything done.
a big fat fishing expedition desperately in search of a crime, when in fact the real crime is what the dems are doing, and have done! >> all the people on the list have given information already either to special counsel or the southern district or somebody, and all we're asking for at this point is information they've already turned over so it could be done quickly and without questions of privilege. >> oversight. plain and simple oversight. what's wrong with having a little bit of sunshine on what's going on in washington? we can never have enough sunshine. we can never have enough transparency, and that's what we're doing. >> kaitlan collins joins us. kaitlan, very tough words from the president and his campaign as well. what about the lawyers behind the scenes? >> reporter: publicly right now, john, the white house says they're going to cooperate with this request, but behind the scenes they are preparing to actually push back on this, because they believe the president has a right to confidentiality and that's being violated by this sprawling request from these democrats. part of that pushback could
include trying to limit the number of documents that they have to produce, especially including those from president trump's time in the white house, potentially those including his communications with former white house counsel don mcgahn as well. so be on the lookout for that. white house officials have been expecting an onslaught of investigations since the democrats took back the house in the midterm elections, but they were surprised by just how big and how broad that request from chairman nadler yesterday was, and right now they say they're trying to essentially brace for more like that and potentially including democrats going after the president's tax returns in the coming days and potentially weeks. now, right now how the view inside the white house is and how they're going to try to spin this publicly, like what we're seeing already, they believe the democrats have essentially out-caped their coverage here. they've cast too far of a net instead of lines of inquiry, and all these requests will potentially get lost in the noise here, john. >> kaitlan collins at the white
house. good coverage. good of you to sneak that one in here. >> carl holtz with the "new york times," matt visor. he says i cooperate, i always cooperate, which we could debate that. this statement from the white house press secretary. chairman nadler and his fellow democrats have embarked on this fishing expedition because they're terrified that their two-year false narrative of russia collusion is crumbling. their intimidation and abuse of american citizens is shameful. democrats are harassing the president to distract from their radical agenda of making america a socialist country, killing babies after they're born, and pushing a green new deal that would destroy jobs and bankrupt america. wow. >> the white house received
jerry nadler's document request early yesterday, yesterday morning. people were still drinking coffee coming into the office when they received the request. the other one came after dinner, at the end of the day. so the white house pored over documents trying to find out who was involved, what they were going over, what would be covered by executive privilege, what wouldn't, and then had these strategy meetings about precisely how to respond. that response reflects a very carefully thought through kind of political response to a document that ultimately they believe is at least as much political as it is legal in nature. >> he threw the kitchen sink back at them after they threw the kitchen sink at him, right? this is both parties trying to play to their base. the president wants his folks to think the democrats are persecute, aing and harassing h. the democrats need to respond to their base's push to go after
the president but maybe not quite step into the impeachment arena yet. it's a real tricky line they're trying to cross. they want to do as much investigation, show they're doing investigation, but i think the scope of this obviously caught everybody by surprise. >> i think the messaging strategy on this is almost as important as the legal strategy which kaitlan explained to us in terms of what the white house is thinking. this is a president who has been talking about presidential harassment for weeks. for months now he's been talking about the witch hunt and this just kind of bolsters his point when you have a request this broad. so for the white house and the administration, they see this as sort of neatly fitting into their 2020 talking points. we saw them bring up the green new deal, socialism, so they're trying to use this as a way to make it seem like democrats are doing this because they can't win in 2020 and sort of make this more political, as you were saying. >> i want to get to some of the substance of this and the process in place. let's stay on the politics,
though. david axelrod, who was the key to the obama team, two presidential victories tweeting out this last night. maybe i missed something, but the hazard of an omnibus document demand by house judiciary versus discreet serial ones is that, however legitimate the areas of inquiry, the wide-ranging nature of it is too easily plays into the witch hunt meme. >> there are 81 individuals and entities, and i think you don't have the explanation yet of what they are looking for, what they're trying to find out. >> they just say broadly they think there is obstruction, broadly they think there is corruption. >> and soon we may have from the house ways and means chairman, rich o'neill, the request for tax returns. that is the more specific thing i think the public is aware of and there are questions unanswered and what those tax
returns hold, but just having a broad request for lots of different things without sort of a clear narrative about what they're looking for, i think, runs the risk of being seen as overreaching. >> to that point as you jump in, just the day after, senator nadler makes this request to 81 agencies, we want all these documents. the day after, two democratic congre congressmen send a letter saying, we want to know about your system of security clearance. the president didn't tell the truth publicly about how jared kushner's security clearance played out. >> there is the broad scope of nadler's request, and then there is the scope of the house ways and means committee, the intelligence committee, we'll see how it goes. i think it goes to the impeachment strategy in terms of how the democrats are looking at it. to carl's point, there is so
much pressure from a section of the democratic party to pursue the impeachment track. actually i think this is nadler's response as a way to split the difference. yes, it's true, if you were going to proceed with impeachment, you need to lay the groundwork in different ways, but it also may never get to impeachment. i'm sure the leadership thinks it would be kind of reckless. talk about driving straight to the president's message, kind of reckless to move to impeachment. this could ease the pressure and slow the path on that march. >> part of that is the world we live in. i won't name carl but some of us at the table are old enough to remember how things were done differently in this town. you could have an investigation done by a congressional committee that's requesting documents that the public doesn't know about. the committee has the power of requesting documents from agencies, they build the case, and if they reach critical mass, then they go public.
they called rod rosenstein and other things out as well. washington now gets to the conclusions before it starts asking the questions. to the point about the capability of the democrats, the process, adam schiff, chairman of the intelligence committee, announcing he's now hired daniel goldman, former prosecutor in the southern district of new york, has a history of prosecuting organized crime cases to help with their investigation. that is one of the legitimate questions, how will the democrats staff up for this? >> i think this is a really important point. one of the questions you just raised, does anyone here know how to play this game anymore? the staff on capitol hill has been hollowed out over the years. there hasn't been good oversight. there's been some instances of t but if you remember when henry waxman and people like that, they would have a big line-up of attorneys with real experience to conduct these things. i think that's probably reflective of a realization we don't have the staff that we need. we need to go find them. that's probably a big important
milestone here. let's get some real prosecutorial experience here so we know what we're doing, not just a bunch of political back and forth. >> i think part of this, too, we don't yet know what the mueller report is going to say and how much of that is going to be public. this could be an attempt by some of the democrats to obtain some of that material that they then have the ability to release and make public, things that they are subpoenaing in a way that mueller and his conclusions may not be fully released to the public. >> we'll continue to watch this one. we live in interesting times, to say the least. up next the house democratic leadership sends another message to congressman ilhan omar. but will she accept it? and everything that he's learned over the years, it reminds me that this is as much for him as it is for me. join our family of home instead caregivers
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they are again calling it, quote, a dark day for israel. alexandria ocacio-cortez is questioning a resolution meant to send omar a message. she worries there is a double standard at play and says, quote, to jump to the nuclear option every time leaves no room for corrective reaction. omar has used several anti-semitic phrases and she's clashed with jewish members of congress in her own party who have asked her to stop and to speak with them about why they find the words so offensive. the resolution is a second resolution brought tie voo a vo the democratic house and some suggest that omar be stripped of her seat on the house affairs committee. there are a lot of calls to do something more than just -- and here's the resolution -- it does not mention omar by name, but it
does include some of the words, like "dual loyalty," some of the things she has used that are and clearly have offended, not just jews in the congress, jews, period. >> i think this is going to be a continuing problem. she obviously feels very strongly about this, and the republicans are using this as a hammer on the democrats, especially after the steve king resolution. i will say today i am seeing more pushback on the idea that you still need to be able to criticize policy towards israel and israel's policy, so i do think there is becoming more discussion about this and what is actually anti-semitism and what is opposition to israel and netanyahu. >> but even democrats have said you can criticize semitism policy, you can criticize netanyahu, that should all be fair game. there is plenty of material if you want to criticize israel
policy. the issue is it's about dual loyalties or pledge allegiance to a foreign country, which is clearly anti-semitic statements, and the jewish democratic members, anita lowey, tried to do this on twitter, and she has refused. >> i think it puts nancy pelosi in a unique situation where they have the majority. democrats have been relatively in line so far, and the shutdown was a good example of nancy pelosi being able to keep everybody on the same page. we're seeing some cracks in that, and this is the latest iteration where there is a big family fight that is becoming more and more public to the point where there is a li resolution on the house floor that are clearly aimed at this type of rhetoric. >> early on someone said, maybe she doesn't understand how offensive her words are, but this has gone on for weeks now.
tweeting, omar has hit the three-for of anti-semitic tripe in as many weeks. jews hypnotize world, jewish money buys toll tigss and dual loyalty. that's quite a record and would prompt even the most obtuse to wonder if i quacks, swims and has feathers, it's probably a duck. >> the american vote is charged by this as well, the rhetoric in cuba, and this is yet another opportunity. if the president sees another opportunity to exploit this by trying to push some of the jewish american vote towards the republican party, he'll do it. and i think the internal fight of the democratic party is this way of individual members, some of them jewish americans, being offended by her words versus a desire to stay unified and not to see ground to trump who has pursued with the move of the
embassy, the declaration of the capitol as jerusalem, the peace policy, has certainly been courting the jewish american folks. >> i think the broader fight within israel within the democratic party on how to talk about it, on what the policy is as a party and how they viewed various issues related to it has been a long time coming, and i think this is just kind of one example of when everything is coming to a head, they have to deal with it when dealing with older versus younger members in the house and jewish members and others who feel like -- because there is a broad amount of people in the resistance, on twitter, where they don't see it quite as anti-semitism. so that is a discussion they are having to have with their base, and you're absolutely right, the president is sort of trying to take advantage of that. they're trying to fracture the democratic party wherever they see fit on whatever policy issue, and this is just the
latest one. >> it's another reminder of how much the world has changed in the sense that in the older days, a freshman came to congress regardless of party and was kind of quiet. you're laughing because that world doesn't exist anymore. we saw this when the tea party came to power in the last decade, after 2010 and after 2014. a lot of new members were quickly involved in debates. now you have alexandria ocacio-cortez involved in a number of tweets asking, are we going to do this every time? what about sexist remarks? what about misogynist remarks? she's trying to say, are you singling out omar here or do we have a tougher question? >> and nancy pelosi has done so well since coming in, and that new generation that's willing to challenge the party leaders. i think the base is riled up on each side, and you now have representatives of those bases
who are in there and speaking to their leadership and challenging them in a way we haven't seen in washington. >> there's not that much going on in washington, either, in substantive ways, so this is how everybody is expressing that. there is not votes or policy to fight it out. i did notice yesterday, though, mitch mcconnell did a press conference in louisville, i think, and just offhandedly referred to aoc, very familiar. i thought, how many freshman democrats over the years has mitch mcconnell talked about that knowingly? it really struck me how much she has penetrated the environment here. it's pretty amazing. >> we'll watch this play out in the hours ahead. next hillary clinton says she's not going away in 2020.
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if you're a democrat and you were still with her, you need to find a new candidate. hillary clinton cleaning up her plans for 2020. >> i'm not running but i'm going to keep working and speaking and standing up for what i believe. i'm going to keep speaking out. i'm not going anywhere. what's at stake in our country? the things that are happening right now are deeply troubling to me. we're not just polarized, we've gotten into opposing camps unlike anything i've ever seen in my adult life.
>> in that interview clinton telling the local news 12 saying she will do everything she can for the democratic party. she's already met with several presidential candidates and told them, quote, not to take anything for granted. not surprised, but we were waiting for official word because of her role in the democratic party. there would be grumbling if she ran, but she had space to run. now that she's stepped out, would she be a welcome voice in 2020? or do some think given her resume and history, she wouldn't be welcome again? >> i think she could be more of a voice now in some ways. now she's really liberated. that may worry both republicans and democrats, by the way, that she's going to be full-throated. she's got a big following in this country among democratic women, especially older democratic women. i think there is totally a place for her, and if you were running
as a democrat and weren't talking to hillary clinton, you're probably making a serious mistake. she is a serious person and i think probably will be welcome. i'm guessing there, but i think most people want to hear what she has to say and tap both into her financial support and her political support. >> just to your point about those who have met with her, vice president biden, who we still don't know his decision, amy klobuchar is in, cory booker, john hickenlooper, kamala harris. they all have spoken with hillary clinton. listen to her here. she believes -- and i think this is fair. she believes she deserves some credit. we just talked about the new democratic house and the number of women in the democratic house, and now you have a record number of women running for president. hillary clinton said, you know, i blazed that trail. >> i'm thrilled by the exciting dynamic women who were elected to congress, and they're already making their mark. i've had a lot of them tell me that my work, my run for
president was very influential in their decision to run. >> i think that's true. i was in selma on sunday where she was, and she had several speaking opportunities and she mentioned stacey abrams at every opportunity, you know, as one of those candidates who she sees a future for. talking about the party a little bit, there was an interesting contrast where she gave a bear hug to cory booker. there was a warmth between them. when bernie sanders got off the stage, it could not be more frosty between them. he sort of briskly walked by, she stopped and said a very brief hello. but that's, i think, where the party is at. there are some in the party that want her advice, they want to hear from her. bernie sanders represents the part of the party where it's still a relitigation of 2016, and he wants to be associated with anything but her. and so i think that's sort of where the dynamic may be. >> i want to read how you wrote
that because it is very telling. the interaction between sanders and clinten oclinton, their fir they faced off in the 2016 primary -- was frosty. while clinton give booker an effusive hug, the exchange with sanders was brief. as he passed by quickly, she reached out and initiated a terse hello. there is still some bad blood there. we've seen the staff quoted on a number of accounts. still bad blood there. will that play out? will maybe hillary clinton herself do everything she can to be anti-bernie? >> i think the animosity seems to be more on the bernie side than the hillary side, but i think that will play out among her supporters. there is still a deep animosity between those two, and i think there are ways that bernie sanders could, you know, be a little more magnanimous.
but it's not in him. it's just not in him. >> to that point about inspiring women, i do think clinton's campaign inspired women, but i think you could also argue her loss inspired women more than anything else. when you see a democratic field that's maybe half women, what happens there is it completely changes the dynamic of what it means to be a female candidate. it's not like, do i run as a woman or not as a woman? half the people you're running against are a woman. that is all completely changed. this represents a different kind of shattering of the glass ceiling when the field itself has room for half a dozen female candidates. >> i also think it's easy right now for hillary clinton to say i'm not going anywhere when it's a democratic primary and it's very easy in the election cycle but closer to the general when republicans and moderate democrats who don't feel as comfortable with hillary clinton, you know, playing a larger role, and when the president potentially starts tweeting about her, starts tying
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collins said as the leader at the doj, he failed, and there are suits against it. he told the daily news he has not decided on anything yet, but said if the circumstances were right, he would run for president as an independent. he said democratic gravity, in his words, is pulling the candidates to one point, he means to the left, and they've done nothing to unite democrats and independents. jeff merkley announced his decision on a video. >> over the last year, i've weighed whether i can contribute more to the battle by running for president or by running for reelection in the senate. today i'm announcing that i am not running for president. i believe that there are democrats now in the presidential race who are
speaking to the importance of tackling the big challenges we face. >> was anyone waiting on jeff merkley or mark cuban? >> i think jeff merkley is an interesting character in that he was a potential alternative on the progressive side, but no big surprise there. i do want to say something about susan collins, who you mentioned earlier. it shows here that the few republican gains they made have an impact on these court battles. because previously there's another supreme court nominee at some point, you know, her vote was very important last time. it's a little less important now. they can still do these nominees without her support. >> mcconnell won't lean on her as much because she has a tough race in 2020 so she's allowed to move to the center than she might be allowed if they had 50
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a new report says a lawyer for michael cohen, of course, the president's former fixer and personal attorney, talked with the trump legal team about the possibility of a presidential pardon. the "wall street journal" reported those talks happened last april, just after the fbi raided cohen's home, office and hotel room. but the president's lawyers, including jay sekulow, rudy giuliani and joe ann hendon,
dismissed the idea of a pardon at the time, these people said. but at least one of them, mr. giuliani, left open the possibility that the president could grant mr. cohen one in the future, they said. cohen had this to say when the pardon came up wednesday during his public testimony. >> i have never asked for it, nor would i accept a pardon from president trump. and by coming today, i have caused my family to be the target of personal scurrilous attacks by the president and his lawyer trying to intimidate me from appearing before this panel. >> sara murray joins it is conversati -- the conversation. i suppose we could be literal and say, i never asked for a
pardon. >> lots of them on that panel had opportunity to follow up and they didn't. michael cohen will be back on the hill so they can press him for more information behind closed doors. i think we're at a fine line here, because it's not necessarily inappropriate that when michael cohen's lawyers had a joint defense agreement with the president that they were discussing whether a pardon was ever going to be on the table. but where the line is, when the president himself has now been implicated on campaign finance violations is also under investigation, i think that's the trickier line to draw. was this them saying, look, michael cohen is willing to stick to this story if you guys put forth a pardon? or was it just sort of a broader discussion? they think that should be what lawmakers are focusing in on when they're trying to determine, was this a quid pro quo? was this some kind of wrongdoing? was this some shot at social justice? >> ty cobb left about 10 months
ago, if my math is correct. he talked about the disagreements on the team. he called bob mueller my hero, for example. if you look at the president's feed, he doesn't call mr. mueller his hero. >> i think the world of bob mueller. he is a very deliberate guy. but he's also a class act. and a very justice-oriented person. in my first nine and a half months out of ten and a half that i was able to prevent the president from going on the attack as to mueller. it wasn't really until dowd sent out a critical tweet of mueller and rudy joined the team that the onslaught -- i mean, i think the president felt unleashed. >> yeah. i mean, look, anyone who has ever talked to ty cobb, ty cobb
has always praised bob mueller. ty cobb has always given bob mueller the benefit of the doubt. to a great extent that helped smooth or ease relations or make relations possible with mueller and the white house team and the counsel team in the first few months when this was underway. but ty cobb was also the one suggesting publicly in messages that would get to the president, this will probably be over soon. it was never over soon. it wasn't entirely clear to me if he was saying that because he thought that, or whether he was saying that because he knew it would help keep the president in line. it is absolutely true, as president obama used to say, it is absolutely true that ty cobb's strategy has always been not to attack the professionalism of one of the great sort of legal personalities of our age. but instead to focus on deciding what is an appropriate request, what is not an appropriate request, how to handle these in a timely fashion, that sort of the truth would set president trump trfree. and the president trump has
taken a different approach to this. >> different being a kind word. one of the issues facing a federal judge is whether to put roger stone in jail now. judge jackson has been patient with roger stone. roger stone has said some things. roger stone posting this on instagram, who framed roger stone? posting this a instagram after he was told, stop talking about the case, stop criticizing the judge and the prosecutors. i think you would say that would be critical of the prosecutors. where does this one go? >> we're waiting for the judge to make that call. i think she's already found she has her hands full when it comes to dealing with roger stone, and roger stone is getting a very quick lesson that fighting political combat and fighting in a courtroom are two very different things. she really has broad discretion on what she wants to do. she can issue a warning to him, she can call him in for another hearing, she could fine him, she could throw him in jail until the trial, she could throw him in jail for 24 hours if she just wants to teach him a lesson.
she really has broad attitude, and it wasn't just this, it was the fact that roger stone has this book coming thut that they of forgot to mention in the hearing about the gag order and the filings about a gag order. it is very clear the judge was not amused by these antics. >> you heard ty cobb say they had to con strain him for a period of time. they need to con strastrain him. >> npr did a fascinating piece. they say there are people who are older who are worried they're not going to live long enough to read the mueller report. they want to know the special counsel's findings. this here is walter tenler, who is the son of mitchell tenler, who passed away. listen to the son describe his
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inslee is trying to make a big impression coming out of the gate. inslee declared a climate change ingre ingreat -- ing rate says he's happy to have people on his side. >> they want to fight climate change. i'm not going to condemn them by wanting to fight climate change. >> not surprised inslee in iowa today with a few stops, including a solar plant.
and a superpac ad running in iowa. >> he wants to turn his state into a clean energy leader with a vision for our future. jay inslee for president. sign up at jayinslee.com. >> this will be a debate among the democrats because some candidates have spoworn off the super pacs or sworn off the money. as i understand it, the super pac is run by a guy who was his aide at the government association. he knows full well who runs it and what they're doing. this whole it fell out of the sky, give me a break. >> he's willing to take money that others swore off. there is a candidate saying, i do not want help. he is doing the opposite of that. candidates out of the gate are
getting pretty sizeable amounts. kamala harris is doing quite well, james harris blew everyone away, elizabeth warren not as well in the beginning. which is one metric, and an important metric for someone like jay inslee trying to get on the debate stage. money is one thing the dnc is going to take into account on that. >> it's a big challenge in a crowded field. it's weird, it used to be -- this seems to be a senate-centric campaign so far. people have tried before to make it an issue with voters. you usually fail. with the democratic base, will it be this time a political headline, jay inslee to disavow a 2020 super pac. it used to be as a candidate you were grateful, and they're normally friends. they go in a separate group because that way you can raise more money. somebody raises money in the campaign, somebody goes over here and raises money in the super pac. that made you a better player.
>> i think the candidate who took that anti-super pac, anti big money approach and turned it into lots of money was bernie sanders, and now others are sort of taking the page out of his book and use that go strategy. but i think what jay did is really interesting because the fact he did raise a million dollars, the fact he seems to be okay with the super pac and he's not really denouncing it goes to show how climate change is an approach by the base. i think people would be turned off by big money to also support climate change and is potentially happy he's talking about it and bringing this issue to the forefront. i think that's kind of the calculation that he has made. >> you try to move your numbers up early on. if you're one of the lesser known candidates, you hope someone is spending ad money for you. >> everyone wants to go viral and have a million small donors and show momentum, but not everyone can do it.
in the end you have to pay for your campaign, but you can do it for a cause that's less offensive and rattling. >> do you want to be pure or do you want to have some money? >> there you go. thank you for joining us on "inside politics." don't go anywhere, brianna keilar starts right now. have a great day. i'm brianna keilar live from cnn's washington headquarters. underway right now, the war begins. new hints the president may invoke executive privilege after democrats target the people closest to him. plus, i'll speak with one democrat on the judiciary committee who just referred jared kushner's actions for a criminal investigation. is president trump's response to bigoted remarks suede by politics? why he's condemning a democrat but staying silent on a republican. a chilling new warning. a u.s. general says the military's advantage against russia is shr