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his claim he made publicly last week that one of the president trumps lawyers jay sekulow made changes about the projects time line. accusation he calls completely false. now this is crucial. this all comes down to whether the trump family and cohen negotiating on trump tower through the election. rudy giuliani said they were. cohen claims the 2017 statement was reviewed ahead of time including an attorney for ivanka trump and jared kushner. >> the hearings went very well. i believe that all of the members were satisfied with the statements and the responses that i gave to them. i told them that any additional information that they would want they should feel comfortable to reach out to counsel. and i would continue to cooperate to the fullest extent of my capability. >> now the intelligence chairman
adam schiff called the hearing productive. he was cooperative and provided important testimony and documents. also tonight, rudy giuliani telling cnn that lawyers are reaching out to him. to see if the president will grant pardons to people under scrutiny by the justice department in the russia investigation. >> here with me now is congressman week. and further -- he's presented to us. he brought new information last week that we have not heard before. as to the conduct of the president. came back today with corroborating material. i'm concerned. our job is bring in other
witnesses who can either corroborate or contradict cohen. >> other witnesses are coming in. we are eventually going get a transcript of the closed door testimony. that you had today. and you're confident americans will feel this wasn't a fishing exhibition. there was new stuff. there was more nefarious behavior and documents to prove such. >> it was actually a sad 16 hours for our country. to listen to mr. cohen. somebody so close to the president for ten years. and i was waiting to hear maybe this president maybe there are redeeming qualities that qualify him to be president. he has a vision for the country and cares about people. that he's honest. we didn't hear that. we heard about a president and organization and a campaign and transition and administration that is corrupted as its core. and now left to do something about it. >> corrupted at its core i want
to talk about some specific things we know happened today. obviously documents were produced. and among them allegedly showing trump lawyer edited cohens testimony in 2017 to congress which was false. discussions to end negotiations about trump tower moscow ended in january before the primary. that's what he said. in the testimony. that was a lie. so did you see anything in the edits that gave you pause or concern that lie was written by chaen? >> i can't go into statements from the white house or pressure. if there is evidence that is corroborated, the white house was dictating to cohen. that false statement. or the white house lawyers at the drebs of the president. direction of the president. that's obstruction of justice. same for pardons. if there's evidence that the president is dangling pardons to
cohen or other potential witnesses, that is obstruction of justice. the president has pardon power. but i think that power is limited when it relates to an investigation where he's a subject. >> did pardons come up today? >> can't go into that. you can conclude that what was discussed in the public hearing in pardons were discussed. we dived deeper. again our job is not jump to conclusion yet. it's to follow the evidence. and there's more evidence to follow. thankfully because cohen was cooperative. >> obstruction of justice when it comes to that testimony. talking specifically. part of the reason he is going to prison. he lied. about when the trump tower moscow discussions ended. right? so he's admitted that he put that lie on himself. saying under pressure. to fit with the narrative there's nothing to see here. he also says his adviser is
saying ivanka's lawyer signed off on the testimony. which had the date. a blatant lie on trump tower moscow. here's what cohen said in public testimony. >> who were the faep members you briefed on the project? >> donald trump jr. and ivanka trump. >> okay. were they in the regular course of business or the president or family request the briefings? >> this is the regular course of business. >> do you recall a question on the number of briefings. do you recall how many there might have been? >> i'm sorry? >> do you recall how many briefings there might have been? >> approximately ten. in total. >> congressman, this isn't too hard to raise serious questions here, right? cohen is briefing ivanka trump ten times. if that's true. her lawyer signed off on a very basic thing which is a significant lie. about when those trump tower
negotiations ended. this could be serious for ivanka trump. she knew that was a lie if she saw the testimony. do you want to hear from her? >> she could come before congress. i'll let the chairs of committees sort out where that is. i don't think her hands are clean at all. in this. considering the role she played and the knowledge she sh about the trump tower moscow. when her father was candidate for the president of the united states. i understand point of the credibility. a former prosecutor you have to look at motivation and past inconsistent statements. the lies in the past were only to benefit donald trump. it's not someone who came in and had lied for another boss in the past and now we're wondering why they're doing it here. he was lying to protect donald trump. that can't be lost on what his motivation was. >> new reporting coming out at this hour. in the "new york times" reporting that rudy giuliani says that lawyers for multiple
individuals under investigation have contacted him. about whether trump would pardon their clients. what's your reaction? sdwl trump can avoid if that's true, i don't believe it is. if he would come forward and say i'm above this. i want to have the appearance of no impropriority at all and not pardon anyone in this investigation. because of what that looks like and so i'm going to be -- if he would say that. this discussion woud die. he won't say that. because i suspect he is dangling pardons and does benefit from people believing if they say quiet ore keep ot party line and stay on message one day they will be ab solved or liability. >> thanks for your time. >> my pleasure. >> all right. i want to bring in to respond.
swalwell seemed very happy. with the testimony. adam schiff seems happy. he called it productive. jackie spear said it was explosive. ta learned a lot. you know what i spoke to a republican with a different tale about today. we're supposed to get a transcript. we'll find out what happened. >> right. we're supposed to get a transcript. we saw cohen today wheeling in luggage. when you saw the luggage he was wheeling in presumably that was the documents that he was bringing in to the committee. he spent the night d.c. it's not clear why he would need all the luggage. they have to put up at some point. members of congress saying this was explosive. we learned all this new information. it has to km out. how much is actually new. keep in mind as you know the mueller team the southern district of new york had all
this information. they gave all of this back to cohen. it's clear a lot of this is no longer under investigation by them or they feel comfortable enough to say here owe go. i think today obviously was an important day. i'm sure what he is saying certainly is being backed up by what he wheeled in to the members of congress to see. the thing is politically perhaps this will be a problem for the president. and for his family. the other thing is whether or not this is actually their some kind of criminal violation. in all of this. that's all of that is really unclear. >> we don't know and don't know what other parties may have done with the information. i love that detail. rolling around suitcases full of documents. we're in some cold war spy novel. michael cohens attorney confirming something that could be important. he did write the lie in his 2017 testimony. the lie that was all discussions about trump tower moscow ended before primary.
obviously rudy giuliani admitted they continued. all the way through. that's the lie. part of the reason he's going to prison. he said he did that at the direction of -- he felt very clearly he was told to do that. by the president's team. and now, cohens team is saying jared and ivanka their attorney signed off on it. is it really possible that their attorney signed off on it without them having any knowledge? this date is crucial. they would have known the date was untrue. >> well it's a great question. i will say that it's hard for me to believe they didn't know. but of course the burden on the prosecutor would be to prove beyond a reasonable doubt they knew. that's really the question here. you have all the other people involved, they weren't donald trump. in other words if it was the president who was personally reviewing this. editing it and signing off. that's one thing.
he was there and involved in the project. the attorneys can say i wasn't aware. i hadn't discussed that and looked at documents. i didn't have that in my mind. etc. really it's up to the prosecutors to prove it. they have those documents and they will ultimately be able to make a decision as to prosecution. >> congressman was clear. he doesn't thing ivanka's hands are clean. if cohen's version is right, ten briefings. i would imagine if there were ten he has documents and efd to back that up. evidence to back that up. briefing her ten times. what she said to abc last month about the trump tower thing. is kind of amazing. let me play it. >> the moscow project in russia obviously the trump tower. i learned more about it watching the news. >> i'm sure we're all trying to learn about it too.
the president said he had nothing to do with the russia during the campaign. you can have a role. you did have a role on this. what was it? >> literally almost nothing. we look at -- we were an act of business. >> barely anything. i learned so much from tv. >> that's not what cohen says. if he has the evidence to back up. maybe e-mails and texts. recordings. he will have that information to back it up. what we kept seeing consistently throughout the story, throughout the investigation, really the last two plus years. that anything that comes to russia everyone that's been involved in this investigation has lied. whether it's the moscow project or contact with russians and ambassador and kislyak. we'll never understand why they continue to lie. cohen is saying listen this is
not the case. she was much more involved. and her involvement was this spa. a spa at the project. and that's essentially her involvement. number of meetings. certainly cohen says there were many more meetings. some of the information has been backed up by the special counsel. they raise this issue there were more meetings than he initially admitted to. they clearly saw this evidence and felt it was strong enough to put it in court documents. >> the one thing i will say. she had involvement in other projects in the region. it doesn't add up she wasn't involved. the spa she says if you look at her involvement in spas. she has been involved and proudly so. in every detail of the every single detail. to say it was the spa. that actually is saying she's involved. if she checked her own historical comments.
what about giuliani telling lawyers for multiple people in this sought pardons and reached out. is that to be expected? or do you think that says something they would think trump was open to do that. >> i have to say once again it's giuliani really has no idea what he's doing here. i don't know why he thought it was a good idea to reveal publicly. it's very unusual chl there's a process and applications. very odd attorneys would be approaching the personal lawyer for the president about pardons while there's an ongoing information and haven't been charged with wrong doing. a prepardon for cohen before there were charges. back in trumps camp ob somewhat in the camp. that is really bizarre and unusual and it raises a host of legal questions. you heard congressman swalwell
saying he considers that obstruction of justice. >> pardons. you have sheriff on the list. his defense was contempt of court. scooter libby. campaign contribution fraud. and also the president granted clemency for the two ranchers in the malicious stand off in oregon. he bucked the norm. >> he certainly has. they talk about this entire process. the department of justice. in many of the cases the president didn't go through the department of justice. he did it on his found and got around that. there's a whole process. that you go through going to pardon someone. that hasn't happened. he certainly he'll issue a pardon through a tweet essentially. if it comes down to that. he is picking people that aren't normally that normally wouldn't be suitable for pardon.
look, i think you talk to anyone they expect their to be more pardons. perhaps people involved in the investigation. once mueller leaves and the mueller investigation comes to a conclusion, we'll see what happens. certainly with manafort. supposed to be his first sentencing tomorrow. does he get pardoned? that could happen. >> all right. incredible to say at this point. thanks so much. next congress demanding answers on the security clearances. after top officials refuse to do it. are their clearances putting american security at risk? former director of national intelligence james clapper is next. i missed you! then i discovered mucinex. one pill lasts 12 hours, and i'm good. mucinex releases fast and lasts 12 hours, not 4. let's end this.
after reports the if the grant td them. over ruling the recommendations of top aids and security officials. white house firing back. refusing to hand over documents calling the request unprecedented and untrucive. i want to bring in james clapper. director, great to have you. you have said the president has the right to give clearances to anyone he wants. that's true. that's part of why with think about who we vote for. you want somebody to make good decisions. how serious of a problem does it have to be for the white house personnel security officer the chief of staff and white house counsel to say no to someone's security clearance. >> great question. unfortunately, we don't know exactly the nature of the reservations that came up. that the fbi or cia had. about particularly jared kushner
clearance. but just at the point you make, reenforce that it is the president's prerogative. as the head of the executive branch to grant and take away cleernsz clearances as he sees fit. in doing so he's assuming responsibility. is it what he's done unlawful? no. is it a practice dangerous to security? absolutely. not knowing exactly the nature of what they the problems were in jared kushner's background. ivanka trump, anderson cooper had a segment this evening describing what she does. well, as far as i can tell, nothing she whatever she's doing doesn't require any level of security clearance. but she has an office in the west wing. and as a consideration is probably more convenient for her to be cleared just because of what she's potentially exposed
to. given sensitivity of the west wing. >> the last we heard there's been no update on this in a long time. she had been under fbi skrutny in part for the vancouver trump hotel project. we have know idea if it was related to this. we know that there's a lot of foreign dealings and foreign business and foreign money coming in. to both jared and ivanka. >> that's the exactly among other things. about 13 different behavioral characteristics that are looked at in a background investigation. and one of those obviously is foreign entanglement of any sort. and particularly financially irregul irregularity. there's a vulnerability. that's not a good place to be with respect to security
clearance. particularly at the highest level. given his broad portfolio he needs it. and so again the president is taken his responsibility if something goes south. he'll be kind of hard pressed to blame somebody. which is what he does when something goes bad. >> diplomats in washington. jared and ivanka take them out to dinner and offer them fancy beautiful clothes. all thing ts put on offer. people trying to win them over. when you look at the white house personnel security office chief of staff and whout counsel saying no. does that make you think there was something specific or just could have been there are foreign entangments that could be an issue. >> it could be. i don't know whether there was something really acute here. that where there's potential compromise or in general not
having a full explanation of some -- and inability to mitigate some of the complications. and jared particularly has complicated background in terms of foreign engagements and financial engagement. if they if the fbi could not resolve those in their own mind, but it could be very general. or it could be very specific. again we don't know. >> before we go, i want to ask you the questions raised about your testimony. to congress. it was on domestic surveillance programs in 2013. you have said yoi made a mistake when you deny the government was collecting data on millions of americans. senator is challenging you on that now. saying quote james clapper neerds to stop making excuses for lying to the american people about mass surveillance.
to be clear, i sent him the question in advance. and correct the record after wards. had chose to let the lie stand. he is speaking out to you. i'll fwif you a chance to respond. >> well, this has been kind of the congressman stated dialogue since it happened in 2013. i just didn't understand or didn't think about what he was asking me about. what he was asking about in a rather -- way. you never see the preamble to his question. which he brings up the term dossier. can which suggested content. what he was asking about is section comment it would be inar
vent. that makes sense in the con tebs of section 702. of foreign intelligence surveillance act. which governs collection of non-u.s. personing over seas. yes, i guess senator wyden did send something over the day before of the hearing. on worldwide. for whatever reason i didn't get that. i was concentrating on the subject of the hearing which is a worldwide threat. by the way, had i understood what senator wyden was asking about, i would have been in a bad place. because at the time the program was declassified. he wanted me to make a public acknowledgment of that. i couldn't do that. the program was classified. later on when it was declassified then i wrote a letter to the committee acknowledging my mistake. and by the way, i testified i guess 20 or 25 years on the hill. answered hundreds of thousands of questions. and all attempted to be
truthful. to the maximum extent possible. so just for this one question, i'm going to for a change of pace, lie. deliberately lie. and do it on live tv in front of the over sight committee. that stretches. so in any mind i made a mistake. i wasn't thinking about what he was asking me about. i didn't lie. >> all right. i hope that he has heard how you laid it out and explained it. thanks so much. i appreciate your time. the democratic party is split on what to do about aelss of antisemitism against congresswoman. the president blasting them. saying take a stronger stand against antisemitism. does he have any right to criticize? just without that annoying lactose. mmm, that's good. we were paying an arm and a leg for postage.
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but there's also this point. that that comment is coming from a person who said there were good people in the group. in this group. >> jews will not replace us. >> presumably some of those are good people. joining me now, stewart, van jones. max boot. author of why i left the right. perhaps that was a reason. >> that was a big one. >> charlottesville. van, look, the pot kettlism is not the best way to look at the world. however. we just saw what was said there. the president said there were good people on both sides. obviously either still believing that or should have people ignored he said it. how can he make the stand now? >> he's unfortunately not a good person to make these kind of
interventions against bias. there have been so many acts of bias and bigotry coming from the right that he hasn't spoken out against enough. so it's unfortunate you have a commander in chief and president who doesn't have the moral credibility to denounce these things without it having this kind of response from people. at the same time i think inside the democratic party, we're having a bunch of challenges ourselves because there are legitimate concerns and grievances about the way the government of israel conducted itself at times with the palestinian people. ho you talk about that is very tricky. you don't want to give aid and comfort to antijewish bigots. the younger generation tries too raise concerns it keeps burping up against bumping up against the problems. and so the president is taking advantage of the internal
problems in our party. >> alice, when you look at the issue here of the president. obviously charlottesville. on antisemitism. this president we talk about the dog whistle he puts out on white supremacy. antisemitism he tweeted out clinton the crazed most corrupt candidate ever on top of a star of david. on top of a pile of cash. and calling them negotiators and said they wouldn't support him because he didn't accept their money. which is obviously inappropriate joke he made. then said don't say i'm antisemitism i have beautiful jewish grand babies. does he have any moral authority? >> he does. today the issue is what we're talking about the congresswoman's comments. he was right. he was rilgt to say we cannot have this type of language.
it shouldn't be tolerated in in any way, shape or form. there's no place in america for an antisemitism. we can agree he didn't handle charlottesville the way it should have been. he has since denounced racist comments. and said there's no place in america for antisemi-ittic or racist language. van hit the nail on the head. people can have problems and issues with the policies of israel. this is bigger. this is a democratic party condoning the language moving so far to the left with regard to this type of hateful language. regard to the great new deal. rashi regard to so many policies. so far to the left. that is not where america is going. if that's where the party is going they will be the party of the past. >> i want to ask about that. max, first of all does the
messenger matter. the messenger is so flawed. that's said so many things on the regular. >> i have lived in the country for a listening time. i never experienced open antisemitism until trump ran for president. my e-mail inbox and twitter account started filling with this garbage of pictures of me in on oven with trump in an ss uniform pulling the lever to kill
the raise policies. i don't think it makes sense. n saiding people who support iz rail have dual loyalty. that's not a proper thing to say. no. that is what she said. >> nobody talks abouts the dual allegiance. that's an old antisemitic. >> this is how it gets tough. she didn't say dual loyalty. she was trying -- interpreting her tweet. you have a younger generation of people who are coming on. my generation we were very well
educated. in trying to deal with bigotry and bias. i'm 50. somebody -- >> you don't look it. >> we were very well educated. african american and jewish dialogue was a big deal in the 80s and 90s. we backed away from that. the younger people don't know that they are crossing -- >> they that i can it for granted. they haven't had to deal with it. >> if she said dual if she used that slur. i want to give the benefit of the doubt. let her learn in public. she didn't say dual loyalty. the actual slur. >> she apologized last month and keeps saying it. it's a concern. >> i have to leave it there. i'm sorry. thank you all very much. don't miss the van jones show saturday night 7:00 p.m. eastern. right here.
so the news the president trump pressured white house aids to get security clearance to his daughter raising new questions tonight about what does he do? here to discuss. author of the trumps three generations of builders and a president. let's start with you. ivanka trump is very important. she has a senior role. in the west wipg. she has it all. what does she do? anything she needs security clearance for. >> if you're a senior official in the west wing, i think it's
just easier to have a clearance for the meetings you're in. and don't have to leave. most of the senior administration officials assistance to the president have a security clearance. it's not about -- mostly women's issues. she's just a she gets involved with personnel. she worked on the world choosing helping to choose the new world bank leader. just for the being around and being around the president at a senior level it's easier to have one. than not. if you're in meetings. >> this argument the director clapper was saying. he can see an argument for. but feel ts it shouldn't have happened. the recommendation was not to do it. tell us about the relationship between evan ka, jared and the president. now. why would the president do this. defy intelligence, chief of staff. and give the daughter and son-in-law clearance. and lie about it.
>> well, you know, in real estate there's this old saying. the three things that matter are location, location, location. i think in the for trump the three things that matter are loyalty, loyalty, loyalty. jared and ivanka are he that's his final backstop. he's everybody else he can throw under the bus. he's not going to throw them under the bus. in turn they'll be completely loyal. that's the top, top reason they're there. >> he wouldn't throw his daughter under the bus. there's questions about son-in-law when push comes to shove. >> it's an issue of nepotism. bob by kennedy was a great attorney general. dealing with things with ole miss and alabama. so there was a feeling that ivanka might be a power player in the administration.
instd she's seen more of an appendage of jared. and he's under scrutiny for dealings internationally. business ties to china and saudi arabia. to think of her in the west wipg. the fact she really has access to whatever jared knows. which means she by nature she knows where all the skeletons are buried. >> the president today was gushing over ivanka. as he does. this was a board member of the work force policy. advisory board. let many e play it. >> she's so formal. special person. shes worked so hard as you know. i thank you for your devotion to the america workers. our great workers. >> so obviously this is coming from her father. is she deserving of this praise for the work she's been doing? how successful have the
initiatives been? >> i would say her presence by his side holding his hand isn't a coincidence. with the stories about their clearances. this is showing that she's still here. she's still prominent in the white house. not diminished because of the stories that the clearances. the white house officials also said that jared kushner will be speaking at a rnc donor event in mar-a-lago this weekend. the moments are to show nothing changed with their position because of the potentially damaging stories. it's notable she's there. it's not a kwens dense. it's a big photo op for her. has she been successful? she got credit for pushing a child care tax credit. and the tax bill. she has limited her influence from what she started out trying to stay on the women's initiatives. but i think her the reason she's
most important in the white house is because she's someone that the has the president's ear. she's someone that is not going to be thrown under the bus. and president's daughter and other staffers are aware of that and work around. they have a different status because of the relationship. >> propaganda is record level. why? ♪ ♪ t-mobile will do the math for you. right now, when you join t-mobile, you get two lines of unlimited with two of the latest phones included for just one hundred bucks a month.
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a new report from the anti-defamation league reveals historic increases in the use of hateful propaganda by white supremacists. such incidents are nearly tripling in just one year. from 2017 to 2018. and we have more tonight from our stephanie elam. >> one people, one nation. >> reporter: charlottesville, virginia. >> you will not replace us! >> reporter: one of the largest demonstrations in recent years by white supremacists. >> extremists are exploiting a charged political environment. they are exploiting a social fragmentation. >> reporter: but since that rally, many of these hate groups have adjusted their methods to avoid the scrutiny that came after charlottesville. stepping up their campaign in other tried and true ways. like distributing leaflets and posting flyers. >> these are not just about finding new members. they are about spreading terror and intimidation and harassing marginalized groups.
get their ideas and their ideology, literally, from the margins onto main street. >> reporter: at first glance, these flyers membership not seem like hate rhetoric. >> they try to lure people in by perhaps talking about european culture. how do we preserve what we have here? the face of illegal immigration? so, only when you dig a little bit deeper do you realize you're talking about classic white supremacy. >> reporter: in 2018, white supremacists increased their propaganda output by nearly 200%, with more than 1,100 distributions across the united states. that's compared to 421 incidents the year before. why is is using a flyer a beneficial tool for them? >> what they are trying to do is to spread their poison in ways that don't force them to have to confront people. >> reporter: protecting their own anonymity in the era of smartphones and social media. and while college campuses are often targeted by hate groups,
the anti-defamation league finds the number of off-campus community prop began that incidents jumped a staggering 572% in 2018, while on-campus incidents rose 9% from 2017. the adl says these 2018 propaganda distribution counts are by far the highest annual numbers ever. >> white supremacists try to go where the action is. >> reporter: findings show the rise was mainly concentrated in large metropolitan areas, with the highest levels in california, texas, colorado, new york, illinois, florida and virginia. it's a way for them to still get their message out, but with a lot less risk. erin? >> stephanie, thank you. and thanks to you all for watching. our coverage continues.
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new documents from michael cohen now in the hands of the house intelligence committee. who authored his testimony and did he ask for a pardon despite claiming otherwise? democrats will not debate on fox news ahead of the 2020 election. the dnc says the network cannot be neutral over a recent report that painted fox as a propaganda tool for the white house. and a stunninged ed admissi from senator martha mcsally. she says she was raped while