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extinction and the children and the women are paying the price. caked in dust, dazed and confused, hungry and thirsty. scrambling on to trucks normally used to transport livestock bound for camps in the north. in defeat, misery is their lot. ben wedeman, cnn, eastern syria. this is cnn breaking news. >> i'm ana cabrera in for brooke baldwin. you're watching cnn. a very busy friday for the trump white house which finds itself again at the center of several breaking news stories right now. communications chief bill shine is out. taking a job in the trump re-election campaign. more on that in just a moment. for paul manafort, the man who was chairman of donald trump's first presidential
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campaign, a 47 month prison sentence has now been handed down. a federal judge issue the ruling after manafort was convicted on multiple financial crimes. that sentence was far short of the 19 to 25 years recommended by robert mueller's team. and the news sparked sharp criticism throughout the legal and political world. the president, however, praised the decision. >> i feel very badly for paul manafort. i think it's been a very, very tough time for him, but if you notice, both his lawyer, a highly respected man and a very highly respected judge, the judge said there was no collusion with russia. this had nothing to do with collusion. there was no collusion. it's a collusion hoax and a collusion witch hoax. i don't collude with russia. >> we should be clear despite what you just heard, the judge in this case did not say there was no collusion, only that it did not pertain to the charges in this particular case.
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cnn's kaitlan collins joins us at the white house. the president is really trying to spin this one in his favor. >> reporter: you can see why the white house is seizing on that portion of the judge's remarks because otherwise their answering questions about the fact that the president's former campaign chairman has been sentenced to nearly four years in prison for not paying his taxes and committing bank fraud. they are paying attention to that so are manafort's attorneys repeating that claim saying that that's what the judge said, there was no collusion between russia and the trump campaign and you can expect to hear that over the coming days. one thing that the white house isn't saying or ruling out so far, despite multiple questions from reporters is a possible pardon for paul manafort. >> i thought we might have had sound there. let me ask you about bill shine for a second. he's leaving the white house. he's the communications director. he's going to be joining the trump campaign now.
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what is the back story there? >> reporter: this all happened really quickly and it caught a lot of people in the west wing off-guard because it wasn't that long ago that bill shine was talking about reorganizing the communications team, doing different things, so people said they did not have an indication that he was on his way out the door right now. a little bit of what might have hinted at that is, he was actually scheduled to go on the president's trip to vietnam for that second nuclear summit with kim jong-un but then abruptly just two days before he announced he was no longer going on that trip. our reporting shows the president had gotten pretty frustrated with bill shine complaining that his coverage had not improved since he hired him to come in and essentially give him better coverage so that's certainly that something that contributed to it and bill shine just being in the spotlight with stories not only about his family but his history at "fox news." now the question inside the white house is who is going to replace bill shine, because, of course, this is a position that staffers often joke is cursed because so many people have held
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this title since trump took office and now they're waiting to see who's going to be number seven. >> all right. never a dull moment, even on a friday. good to see you. president trump may be losing his communications chief, but he's escalating a war of words with his former fixer, michael cohen, himself blasting him for comments cohen made to congress last week. >> i have never asked for nor would i accept a pardon from president trump. >> in a tweet today the president called cohen a liar saying, he directly asked trump for a pardon and that trump turned him down. gloria borger is cnn political analyst, carrie cordaro. carrie, now that trump is weighing in on cohen's statements about this pardon idea, did he just give democrats and mueller an easier pass to force trump's testimony? >> i don't know that they will
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be calling the president to testify, but it certainly indicates that the president once again is willing to use his public forum to say things that most likely is not true. michael cohen said under oath when he appeared before congress correcting prior information that he had provided, so this most recent testimony by michael cohen was his opportunity to tell the truth. he understood the consequences of it and he said he didn't ask for a pardon and he used pretty precise language as far as him asking for a pardon. the president is saying the opposite and the public will have to determine which one they believe. i don't think that we'll see the president called before congress to testify nor will at this point does it seem likely that the president will be speaking to the special counsel's investigators. >> okay. now we have a new twitter spat, gloria. cohen responding to trump on twitter with this. just another set of lies by
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president trump, mr. president, let me remind you that today is international women's day. you may want to use today to apologize for your own lies and dirty deeds to women like karen mcdougal and stephanie clifford. what's your reaction, gloria? >> neither of these men are known for their use of nuance in their communications and i think that michael cohen wants to hit back at donald trump in every way that he can, and in terms of what you were just talking about to carrie, our own jim acosta said last night that there was some chatter about the white house referring michael cohen's so-called perjury which they describe as perjury to the department of justice. if they were to do that, then perhaps the president would be called to testify or would be open to discovery on the whole stormy daniels, karen mcdougal thing and i don't think they're going to want to do that either,
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but this is just, you know, their effort to continue to discredit michael cohen, which is also been the republican strategy. >> let's talk manafort now because the president really focused on these comments from the judge, i quote, from judge ellis, he is not before the court for anything having to do with colluding with the russian government, talking specifically about this particular case. carrie, he did not say there was no collusion as much as trump wants people to believe this. >> right. he didn't. his lawyers emphasized that when they left the courthouse. the judge didn't actually need to say this statement. this has been consistent with what he did throughout the trial which i think indicates that the judge was sympathic throughout the trial to paul manafort because he thought that he was selectively prosecuted. i think this judge thought the paul manafort would have never been brought to trial had he not been connected to donald trump and their campaign and wrapped up in the special counsel's investigation, but the fact of
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the matter is that he was convicted by a jury in the eastern district of virginia on eight different counts of different types of financial crime and so the president can try to twist the judge's words and it may have been inappropriate for the judge to even be talking about collusion when that actually was not part of the case, but the fact of the matter is that paul manafort was convicted of what he was convicted for. >> gloria, the president says he feels badly for paul manafort. what i just can't get over about those words is the president's public empathy for convicted criminals? >> the president likes people who are loyal to him. he has called paul manafort, i believe, either brave or courageous. on the other hand his called michael cohen a rat. so the president tends to judge people by how they regard him and manafort has, you know -- and his attorney who came out of the courtroom yesterday and
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said, there was no collusion, even though the attorney new full well this case was not about russia, that it was about bank fraud, tax fraud. those are signals. those are arrows that are being sent directly into the oval office saying, look at this, look at this, pardon me, pardon me. that's what that's about. i don't think the judge was doing that, but i do think that this has been ongoing and that manafort's lawyer did the same thing coming out of the courtroom yesterday and the president feels empathetic towards manafort. we don't know what he's going to do. >> bill shine out. gloria, what do you make of the timing, about the depths of the white house/"fox news" connection? >> it may be connected to it, because, of course, that report showed that it's an incestus relationship between "fox news" and the white house and that people come and go from fox to
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the white house but i think, you know, that really bill shine is somebody who may have thought he would have a larger role than the role he ended up having which was effectively stage managing the president, that the president is his own communications director and there have been reports at cnn and elsewhere that the president wasn't thrilled with the performance of shine because he thought he would ghet him better press than he's gotten and so i think you put all those things together and i think shine decided to leave and the fact that they say he's going to campaign is really very much of a soft landing. he has no title and who knows how long he'll remain. >> gloria borger, carrie corridoro, thanks ladies. elizabeth warren rules out a plan to break up big tech company like amazon and google. we'll explain how that would work. two former rivals in clinton/lewinsky scandal in the
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so far in just the first four months of the 2019 fiscal year. at the same time, the u.s. trade deficit is now the largest in the country's history and with us now is cnn global economics analyst rana foroohar. is this is start of an economic slowdown? >> we knew we would be in an economic slow down by this point. recovery cycles last about ten years, we're at ten years. it's time for the economy to be moving a little bit more slowly. 20,000 jobs not a lot. on the upside, if you were to average out the last couple months we had a really great january, we had a poor february. if you average it over three months which is how i like to look at things, you can't take just one month in isolation, then you get about 186,000 jobs being created month by month. that's not bad, but economists are forecasting that we'll see weakness ahead in the next year and the thing that i like to look at a lot is the workforce
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participation number. that's the number of americans that are actually working. that's still low. that's at about 63%. you want to see that closer up to 67, 70% in order to feel like the economy is where it needs to be. >> that workforce participation number you mentioned z that have to do with the unemployment number going down even though there are -- >> the unemployment number went down very slightly and that's in part because a lot of people that had been furloughed because of the shutdown were coming back on to the job. it did not go down to push that participation number up and that's what you need to see in order to get the kind of money in people's pockets, the spending, the consumer demand to get the economy going. i suspect that by 2020 you'll be in a real slowdown. >> let me ask you about some comments about elizabeth warren and this new plan to bake-up big tech companies like google, amazon facebook. listen to what she said how this would work. >> the way to think about this
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right now is amazon is like the umpire in the baseball game. it runs the marketplace and it also has a lot of teams on the field because it's actually competing with the other businesses on that platform and giving special advantage, putting them on page one and somebody they don't like back on page six. my notion is, you can be an umpire or you can own a team, but you can't do both at the same time. >> i know you're writing a book on these big tech companies, what do you make of her idea to break them up? >> it's a very elegant way what she describes. that's the problem with google, amazon, facebook. there are privacy issues and there are competition issues. what's interesting about her proposal is it knits together some of those things and says, look, we need to make sure that we're not living in a rigged game, not just people but individual small companies feel like they can't come into the
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marketplace and keep with these big players because that's bad for the overall economy. it's very brave she's taking on this issue and it's a tough one for the democrats. they get a lot of money from silicon valley. >> would this have an impact on the economy at large? >> over the longer term, if we regulate some of the biggest companies more tightly, it'll be good for the economy. if you look back say 20 years ago when we had the last big tech antitrust cast with microsoft, just the threat of that regulation actually allowed companies like google to be born. there was more of an open marketplace. that's what we'll see again. >> so interesting. thanks for being here. a fascinating debate about the mueller investigation between two men who are no strangers to white house scandal. former independent counsel ken starr and president clinton's joe lockhart battle over whether president trump obstructed justice. ilhan omar sparking controversy again with criticism
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bygones be bygones, discuss what went in the clinton/lewinsky scandal and weigh in on the investigation of russia and the trump campaign. >> i think there's an important comparison to make here, though, and i'd be interested in judge star's view. donald trump has acted way beyond the pale. president clinton did not fire the head of the fbi. president clinton did not want the head of the fbi in office thought that he had a political agenda against him, but he didn't fire him. president clinton didn't go out every day and call this a witch-hunt and say there was nothing to this. the president went about doing his job. the president clinton didn't 10,000 times tell lies and mislead the american public. he did mislead the american public and lie to them in that roosevelt room. there's no defense of that, but
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to try to compare these things and i think that's getting back to the axios stories, that's the strength of the axios stories, donald trump is using the full weight of the federal government and the executive branch now to protect himself and to cover-up what he's done and in the case of president clinton, he let this thing go. the idea that we sit here president committed crimes, the president made mistake, he's acknowledged them and that's -- but i don't believe he's committed a crime and the one thing we haven't seen from president trump is any acknowledgement and i'll remind you, president clinton went out and apologized for this before the report came out and before the house took up impeachment. so it wasn't until -- he wasn't saying i want to wait until the
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jury's totally in. he acknowledged these things as things he had done wrong. he acknowledged the pain he had caused to his family and the distraction to the country and i think it's wholly on a different scale when you have allegations and now evidence that a foreign government influenced are election, maybe delegitimize the election of a president and the president's team, if not the president, was working with them. wholly on a different scale. >> what about that, judge? >> one of the great strengths of the special counsel investigation is that a very important set of charges have been brought against 13 russian individuals and two organizations. i've read those indictments carefully. there's not one word that suggests collusion. the russians behaved very badly, indeed, criminally and they should be brought to the bar of justice. let's see. was there collusion? thus far including in the paul
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manafort case we've seen no evidence of collusion. >> but joe is talking about obstruction of justice that we have seen evidence of if you believe all of the tweets about a witch-hunt and the firing of the fbi, the head of fbi. do you consider that obstruction of justice about this investigation? >> we did not charge president clinton with obstruction of justice because of james carvel, sydney blumenthal and an entire army. president clinton was very clever and shrewd because others did the dirty work. we were continually attacked, constantly attacked. our motives and so forth, our operations were attacked. and our integrity was attacked, but president clinton was able to rise above it, let others do the dirty work -- >> what about this example in president trump? >> and what president trump refuses to do is to follow the clinton model. he wants to be on the attack himself. i do not consider that obstruction. i really don't, because when you
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look at what the law of obstruction, you can have the moral view of obstruction, and then you can have the legal view, what is, in fact, constitutes the crime of obstruction of justice -- >> hold on a second. >> hold on, joe. >> president trump went on television -- >> there is no corrupt motive that has been defined by the supreme court of the united states and that's where -- in this room, i have said, don't be so broad minded, so to speak in saying this constitutes obstruction of justice. it doesn't obstruct justice to do what the president has the power to do, which is to fire the head of the fbi. >> maybe i should have gone to law school. let me speak for everyone in america who didn't go to law school. president trump went on television, even after two days leading up to that interview, he lied about why he fired comey. he directed rod rosenstein to write a phony letter about
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why -- when he went on tv, he just felt like he had to let it all out and he said i fired him because i wanted to stop the russia investigation, because i think the russia investigation is a witch-hunt. there may be in some narrow, legal eagle place where that is an obstruction of justice. to the rest of us, it is the obstruction of justice on the face of it. >> but he didn't shut down the investigation. that's one of the key things. he could have said this investigation -- >> he then tried to remove and fired his attorney general. what else do you need to see that is obstruction? what else? what else do you want to see as a prosecutor here? >> you need to see action that actually results in the investigation not being able to be carried forward. if bill clinton had fired harry freed, would you have stood up and said he has every right to do that? >> i hope i would have. >> i doubt you would have. >> i have a very view of
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presidential power. it gives authority over the executive branch, so president trump could, in fact, have said, i want this investigation to stop. period, full stop. then that to me does raise an issue of potential obstruction. >> a throt discuss there and that was just a fraction of that conversation. i'll be joined live by former watergate prosecutor next. [georgia] three years ago, my husband died in flight 19.
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before the break we heard part of a conversation between ken starr and joe lockhart. they applied what happened in the late '90s to what we're seeing today as president trump faces multiple investigations. with us now to discuss, cnn legal analyst carrie cordero. and john bale. carrie i messed that up both times. john sale is with us as well, a former assistant special watergate prosecutor, both of you very great legal minds. i'm happy to have you with us. ken starr offered the moral view of obstruction and the legal view, do you agree with that distinction? >> my first impression was, that it was nice to see judge star r and joe lockhart sit down together and respectfully agree to disagree because i remember when they were at each other accusing each other of the worst kind of misconduct and we need more people who disagree who can
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have such sit-downs. i think i know a lot about obstruction, unfortunately, but it's the first time i ever heard judge starr's expression moral obstruction. there's no such thing. there's legal obstruction where we can debate what that means. the statute requires a corrupt intent and the constitution article 2 does give the power -- certain unlimited powers to the president. you might call it political obstruction and that's a matter of counting votes. whether or not you want to indict a president for something like president clinton did when you don't have the votes to convict him. moral obstruction, i'll defer to people wiser than me to define what that is. >> john, is trump lying to the american people and abuse of power even though it's not a crime? >> if there are majority plus one votes in the congress, it's impeachable. it's not a crime.
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there's nothing in title 18 or any other applicable united states statutes that makes lying to the american people a crime. lying to a grand jury, lying to a federal agent, those are crimes, which is probably why the president did not go in and give a statement to the special counsel. >> hum. here's something else i want you both to hear on whether a president can be indicted. >> no person is above the law means that a president can be indicted but that's not the justice department policy and robert mueller as you know is an officer of the justice department and is therefore required to follow that policy. he cannot indict -- >> carrie, how can both things be true? >> well, there is a legal opinion, several legal opinions that have been issued over periods of decades from the justice department's office of legal counsel and the position that those opinions take is that a sitting president cannot be indicted.
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what's interesting is that both under ken starr's service as independent counsel and in the prior generations presidential scandal in watergate, fresh legal opinions on that specific issue were drawn up. we have never heard and so we are operating on the assumption that in the current environment neither the justice department nor the special counsel's office has drawn up fresh legal memos looking at the current situation and whether or not a president could be indicted. we're just assuming, because the justice department hasn't said otherwise, that those memos have not been written in present times and that therefore the justice department is following it's historical practice and the special counsel is apliejed to follow that precedent. >> jon, another topic. is dangling a pardon illegal. starr says not unless it
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includes an actual bribe or quid pro quo, what's your take? >> the president undoubtedly has the unlimited power to pardon, but if the pardon is done with a corrupt intent, that is unclear and those are the type of things which we'll have to be tested in court if it happened, but the person pardon would be fear and clear forever, the issue would be to look at the president's conduct and that would be tied up in the courts forever. >> carrie, on whether mueller is doing it right by not holding news conferences, not releasing info to the public as he's going through this investigation, lockhart says yes, that's correct, starr says he thought it was more important to be more transparent. he was always putting himself out there. who's side are you on? >> this is an area where i really think the analogies between the clinton years' experience and the starr investigation and the present are very limited. ken starr was operating under a completely different environment.
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he had an independent counsel statute that gave him a level of independence where he could make decisions like that to be more transparent where he could write a big huge narrative report that simply don't apply to the current special counsel. there's different regulations now. the special counsel reports to the attorney general. the attorney general has a level of authority to supervise what happens and that was done specifically, those new regulations in reaction to the experience under ken starr's effectation of the independent counsel's statute. in addition, i want to say with respect to your earlier question, the fundamental issue on the president is whether or not he's abusing his executive authority. so when it comes to an issue like a pardon, many legal scholars will say, look, that is a complete authority that the president has. the question with this president, and this is why we're seeing congress open a rule of
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law investigation, is whether or not the president is going beyond his exercise of executive authority and he is doing things that are abusing that authority. >> all right. carrie and jon, i learned a lot. thank you. up next, nazi symbolism and hateful rhetoric caught on tape among high school students. details on the disturbing trend we should not ignore. the sleep number 360 smart bed, from $999... senses your movement and automatically adjusts on each side to keep you both comfortable. and snoring? how smart is that? smarter sleep. so you can come out swinging, maintain your inner focus, and wake up rested and ready for anything. only at a sleep number store, save $500 on select sleep number 360 smart beds. plus, free premium delivery and setup. ends march 17th. ♪ ♪ i can do more to lower my a1c. because my body can still make its own insulin.
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swastikas along with racist names displayed during a student assembly. it happened this week at the elite d.c. schools that chelsea
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clinton and other girls have gone to. it's just the latest u.s. school to show signs of young people turning to hateful symbolism. cnn's sara sidner reports. >> reporter: experts are telling us that they are seeing a disturbing trend among america's youth. their attraction to nazi and racist symbolism, but you're going to meet one woman who survived the death camps, who says she's trying to solve the problem and steer them away from hate one community at a time. high school students in alabama spouting violent racist and anti-semitic comments and enjoying every minute of it. then, posting it on social media. >> jews would run the world. >> jews are fine because they're white. >> jews would be running the world right now.
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>> mixed or rios, what are you going to do with them? >> you stick them in concentration camps. >> no, you have to wait until they die off. >> reporter: the girl you hear repeatedly saying the n-word sent out a statement on her father's car dealership facebook page, the horrible, horrible things i said were a terrible attempt to be funny. i'm sorry to anyone that had to listen to the video. i will do everything in my power to be better each and every day but this is just one example of a rising tide of hate among youth. the same week thousands of miles away in new port beach, california, high school students do a nazi salute over a red cup swas tickca they created. it seems to be popular with some teenagers these days. >> what i saw was how the combination of ignorance, evil and peer validation can come together at a time when the social political land escape is
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polarization. there's a race to the bottom because we don't have civic moral leadership in this country that sets a standard as to what's acceptable kmunally. >> reporter: he's a professor at cal state san bernardino and runs a study. he and others have said there's heavy recruiting by white nationalist groups on college campuses and grade school. in 2017, anti-semitic incidents in k. 12 schools increased by an astounding 94% after nearly doubling the year prior. and the fbi says between 2016 and 2017, reports of hate crimes against jews sky rocketed, up 37%, overall hate crimes reported, up 17%. while several white nationalists, kkk and neo-nazi groups are trying to disguise their hateful messages, leaven says the youth are looking for
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shock and awe that's popular on social media. the behavior isn't just appearing at parties. last month in new york, it appeared on a playground. and a new nazi way to ask for a date to a dance in minnesota. she later apologized. eva shloss hopes she's an anecdote to anti-semitism among the youth. she is a holocaust survivor, the stepsister of anne frank who's story of surviving the holocaust has haunted and inspired the world for more than 70 years. shloss traveled to a new port beach high school just days after some of its students took part in the incident. she sat down privately with the offending students and their parents. >> i just told them that the nazis did really horrible, horrible things not just gassing jewish people but even their own disabled people. that was the first experiment with gassing children or people. >> shloss survived the
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concentration camp at and now more than 70 years after the attempt to exterminate so many human beings she is faced with young people who think nazi symbolism is all the rage. >> i heard from many many survivors who have lost millions of their families all over the world. you know, it's an insult to those people. >> insult to you? >> yes. to me as well. >> are you afraid now that you have seen young people doing this over and over and over again here in america are you afraid for the next general rags of people? >> there is so much education going on now.
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we must not happen and it will not. >> she did tell us she was shocked with highly educated students. they say it will continue to occur across this country and abroad unless there is a strong push for education not just by the school system but by parents themselves and politicians as well. back to you. >> all right. thank you. you're doing your part to expose blast happening out there. up next miami herald found a pick clur wi picture of donald trump. why was the president watching the super bowl with this woman? we'll discuss. first we want to take a moment to honor this week's cnn
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take a look at this. it shows president trump at his super bowl watch party. she is the orchid where robert kraft solicited prostitution. let me bring there jason. what more can you tell us? >> that woman she is a self-described, you know, self-made entrepreneur. s as you say, she used to own the o orchids of asia day spa. the object of seeing that pick clur there is really bad. it raises questions about who gets access to the president and under what conditions.
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pictures are raising questions there about who gets access to some of these gop leaders and why. we have to point out, again, according to the miami herald she no longer owns that spa. sold it back there 2013. she said i have no business now with the current spas that i do own in south florida. there seems to be some that were involved in the other spas. even though others were not caught up in the sting
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operation. >> thanks for being with us here on this friday. minutes after leaving national security meeting president trump talking about michael cohen. the lead starts right now. president trump capping off a bad week calling michael cohen his former lawyer and fixer a stone cold liar in his denial that he ever asked far pardon. >> what is behind former fox news suddenly boliting from the white