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ning in no time. show me decorating shows. this is staying connected with xfinity to make moving... simple. easy. awesome. stay connected while you move with the best wifi experience and two-hour appointment windows. click, call or visit a store today. this is "gps." welcome to all of you. today on the show. under pressure, saudi arabia is under increasing pressure to come clean on the death of jamal khashoggi. this week trump's nominee to be ambassador to the kingdom called for accountability. a u.n. council called for all available information to be
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disclosed. will it mean anything? benjamin netanyahu is under pressure politically and legally. an indictment is looming and he might lose power in next month's election. can he pull off a victory? with the deadline for brexit looming the british prime minister is under pressure. a major vote this week in parliament will tell a lot. tick tock. tick tock. first here is my take. special counsel robert mueller's report which is expected to be delivered to the attorney general soon will end up being a great test of american democracy. how will we handle it in a nakedly partisan fashion? or as a way to bolster our constitutional system? it's much noted we're living in
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the era of end ruled democracies. countries are undermining independent institutions, violating important norms and accumulating unbridaled power. in america the story is mixed t. political system has functioned poorly. on the other hand some american institutions have pushed back. the judiciary has maintained its independence. the fbi have demonstrated that they serve the country and constitution above the current occupant of the white house. the press has by and large been able to withstand the extraordinary pressure of a president who almost daily attacks it. the greatest check on trump has surely been the public itself. placing some limits on the president's behavior by voting in the midterms and expressing itself through opinion polls and
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protest. i have been watching events 7,000 miles away in india. there a democratly elected leader, his pressure often worked. so did it intimidation of the press which has become a ha handmaid even of his party. the dgp recently experienced a lobbing at the ballot box. india's dominant party lost several key elections. why? in a word diversity. in a new book, it's noted the dominant reality of indian politics is diversity.
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they have ethnic groups and glasses. it was explained that this company guides india into 14 sub regions because of its diversity. that compares with the 20 countries of the middle east that gets put in four groups. this diversity has become india's greatest advantage. there's money, a large parliament and spending programs to buy people's votes. even then recent polls indicated his coalition would fall short of a majority. things have changed because of india's tit for tat with pakistan. in the book "how democracies e
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die" the authors make the case that diversity helps forge the culture of compromise and tolerance that's crucial to democracy's success. they argue the republican party has become sorry ji-- so rigid. most western countries are going to become diverse. that's demographic reality. india demonstrates how that diversity could rescue and strengthen democracy. for more go to let's get started. ♪ ♪ in a hearing wednesday on capitol hill senator marco rubio claimed that saudi crown prince
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had gone full gangster. in the hot seat was president trump's nominee to be ambassador inry in rijad. he reminded senators of the importance of u.s./saudi relationship. joining me is the founder of the pro saudi think take based in washington. what do you make of this coming from an ally of president trump, marco rubio? it feels like the attitude among saudi arabia has really changed. >> well, it clearly has. i think what they're all missing is that saudi arabia has had to go through a period of wrenching change in the last two years. wrenching change in any south
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throughout history is extremely dangerous and the saudi government has gotten more author tarn hoping to keep the ship together. they have succeeded well actually. you haven't had street demonstrations or terrorism or any popular negative reaction to the change. particularly empowering women, not just letting them drive, but bringing them fully into the workforce, something that was unpopular with the reactionary right. change in a very polarized society is very, very dangerous. the government has gotten more author tarn. now has there been elements of overreach? certainly with the killing of jamal khashoggi, with the arrests of women there has been overreach. with the speed and with everything that's been done,
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they made some mistakes, some serious mistakes coming along the way. that's what happens when you have change. >> let me ask you about a specific one which puzzles me which is the case of the u.s. doctor who we now know was arrested and thrown in the ritz carlton. then sent to regular saudi jail. apparently has been tortured. there have been no charges, no public discussion of it. the u.s. seems to -- the trump administration does not seem to be pressing hard. what i'm puzzled by is the brutality, the torture for a regime that described itself as not being repre sieve. why would they do this to an american citizen? why would they do it during the trump administration? it seems an in sut and rebuke to
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an american administration that's been very supportive of him. >> he's a saudi citizen also. >> he has dual citizenship. >> yes. under international law, in either country you're a citizen of that country. >> i'm not talking about the legality of it. why would you disrespect the trump administration by doing this? >> i don't think they see it as such. under saudi law, you are not allowed to name and shame, so to speak, somebody when they're arrested or even when they're indicted. you're only allowed to do that after judgment comes out. what happens is you enter the unfortunate situation where you have a lot of people in jail and yet nobody knows why they're in jail. the saudi government is going to have to change that, do something about that where they come out with a detailed charge sheet that says here is why we
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have arrested so and so. now you may agree or disagree with it. at least they will have justified why from their perspective they see such actions as necessary. now frankly there's total confusion him. i don't know much about the doctor. it seems unfortunate. there must be some story with him that the government has not explained. they should do that. they're paying a very heavy price and nobody is giving them the benefit of the doubt. >> the same reports of torture by the way, which are very credible, have come out about the women advocates who advocated the lifting of the driving ban that was then instituted. again, i'm sure you're going to say it's overreach. it does feel like saudi arabia is turning into much more of a traditional middle eastern police state where these things are kind of routine.
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>> i don't think they're routine. if the ffinformation about the women is correct, it is shocking and has shocked saudi society. >> why isn't the crown prince doing something that announces a reform of the system, a clean up or something to -- it feels to me at least like they're paralyzed right now. there's all this -- in the eastern western world and some other democratic countries there's a great deal of anxiety, maybe even hostility towards saudi arabia based on these reports coming out. khashoggi, the torture and from saudi arabia you hear nothing. >> well, i mean, you have not heard nothing. you had a lot of senior people who have been removed. you have people being tried. you had an open trial where foreign diplomats were invited to attend the trial. there's a sensitivity to behaving like you are just
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reacting to western pressure. there's a flip side to that within the kingdom and within particularly the more conservative communities. that goes on very badly with them. i think they also have to manage that process to make sure that they don't look like they're just jumping whenever america or europe says jump. >> always a pleasure to have you on. thank you. >> thank you. >> if you missed my latest special report or you want to see it again, i've got good news. it will air tonight at 11:00 p.m. eastern. next on "gps" from saudi arabia to israel we'll talk about bee bee netanyahu's problems legal and political when we come back. let's see, aleve is proven better on pain
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israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu's career is on the line in two different wawa ways. first the looming indictments announced by the attorney general. he said he would be charged with bribery and theft of trust. then there are the political headaches. he has supported the far right parties in israel and is believed to be going to extremes because he has a formidable challenger on his left flank. mr. netanyahu faces an uphill battle in next month's election. joins be now the political correspondent for the globe.
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let me ask you, how serious are these charges and what is the likely course? we've been hearing about them for a while. this is it now. this is the formal charge. >> obviously the charges are very grim. bribely bribery is up to ten years in jail. it's a very grave indictment. netanyahu is up for indictment. obviously there was another procedure in which he may come to the attorney general and claim -- put some claims forward. having said that, the fact the attorney general has made up his mind and put the charges on is very serious. i think it's hurting his situation. it's hurting his campaign. not entirely, but it has an effect on the israeli people. >> when one looks at this, there have been so many charges about mr. netanyahu and there have
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been so many accusations of corruption and some of them he has been cleared of. there's this swirl of charges about it. is it -- does the party at some point feel it's not worth the controversy? >> no. we believe strongly that this is a political persecution. let's make clear in the numbers. since 1997 he's had to deal with 19 accusations, allegations. 16 out of 19 ended up with nothing. we believe that doing the hearing -- in israel you have a hearing before the trial. netanyahu will peel down all the allegations. >> on the political side you have someone who seems to be gaining ground. when someone looks at prime
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ministers they tend to only lose out to popular, generals who are a able to put together a left of center coalition which is what benny has done. >> the polls show that benny leading on the prime minister. he has a good job performance polling saying he has the ability to serve as the prime minister. netanyahu hasn't faced anyone that strong for a decade. the netanyahu campaign is claiming they are lefties and weak. the israeli public don't take it as someone who can be portrayed as weak or to left to liberals. it's not working with generals. that's netanyahu's main problem. his campaign slogan is aimed towards the right wing. he's unwilling or not trying to grab more mandates from the center or the center of the israeli population. he sticks to his right wing like
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you mentioned. he doesn't try to convince the center. >> if the left is liberal for generals, netanyahu is going far right looking for support. he's gone so far right he's being denounced by many previously strong supporters in the united states. i think even apec expressed dismay over this latest move. isn't it a sign of amorality that he'll go anywhere to find allies. >> no. we're concerned about an establishment of a left wing government in israel. we want to increase the chances in order to win. of course we respect the criticism of the people, especially from apec, but they have to understand that this is either a right wing government or a left wing government. i want to remind one more thing. we're concerned about left wing
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government that will be supported by arabs who support terrorism. that's the question for us. >> all right. we'll surely come back to the issue. thank you both. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> next on "gps" angry protesters on the streets in capitals around the middle east. is arab spring 2.0 coming on. we'll explain when we come back. you wouldn't accept an incomplete job from any one else. why accept it from your allergy pills? most pills don't finish the job because they don't relieve nasal congestion. flonase sensimist is different. it relieves all your worst symptoms, including nasal congestion, which most pills don't. it's more complete allergy relief. and all from a gentle mist you can barely feel. flonase sensimist helps block
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rule that's a front for the kabul and politicians that wield power behind the scenes. over two third of al jeer i can't's 30 million people are under 30 and they have reason to be angry. 28% are unemployed. that figure rises for college graduates according to bloomberg. these dynamics extend throughout the region. sudan is 75 and besieged by mass protests that threaten to topple his regime. this president is 92. the palestinian president is 83. egypt's is a relatively sprite 64, but he's muscled through parliament a constitutional amendment that could keep him in power until 2034 at which point he'll be 80. even when the leaders are not
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long in the tooth, their regimes are stale relics. the people are overwhelmingly young. the median age is just 24. the middle east had the highest proportion of young people in the world. even now there are isolated baby booms. iraq is growing by 1 million people a year. all these young people are coming of age in economies that seem to have no place for them. as a region the middle east and north africa has the highest rate of youth unemployment in the world estimated at 25%. the u.n. notes by 2030 the region's workforce will have 39 million more young people to absorb. those who can are leaving, excluding the wealthy gulf
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country, migration with 8.4 million. in 2014 when oil prices fell dramatically governments were forced to reign in spending and cut jobs. a political scientist notes in the past two years protests often sparked by economic malaise have broken out. so with all this, i'll ask the question, are we seeing the next arab spring? it would be a mistake to assume that translates to full-fledged democracy. autocrats do tend to win acquiesce from their people if they tend to bring economic prosperity. with lots of young people, especially young men angry that
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observer observers. ann, let me ask you when people look back and ask why did britain go down this bizarre path of what seems to many people to be a bizarre path, when you write a history of this 20 years from now what will you say? what's the explanation here? >> if you want the explanation for why brexit has seems to have crashed the british political system you have to look at the time tori party. it was one of the leading political forces in the world through the 1980s and 1990s. in the past several years it's experienced a crisis of
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conscious. i think brexit looked to a lot of people in the party like an opportunity to be once again radical and to once again be cutting edge. they weren't really prepared intellectually or any other way to carry this out. what you have is a paralysis which is extraordinary. the country -- spanish politician said a couple days ago this was the country we looked up to. this is the country that's the mother of parliament. these were the people who knew what they were doing. suddenly they seemed unable to move beyond this vote that, as you say, we've had once. we'll have it again. we may have it a third time before we're done. >> george, you were at the center of that crisis that ann describes with the tori party. your prime minister decided against your advice to hold a referendum. is ann's critique correct?
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my amplification would be that you tony blair moved the labor party away from hard left socialism taking away some of the center ground that tori used to have. there was a part of the tori party that had to find someplace to go that was sharp, radical, different and there didn't feel like this mushy middle. >> well, i would add to what ann says and your contract saigs by making an observation. britain's entire history has been defined around this question of our relationship with our neighbors. second, like many other western democracies at the moment we're wrestling with that question of sorchty and control versus
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global reaction which raises a debate in the united states. in having a rerch dumb where we're in control of our borders and britain can be stronger. the reverse is the case. britain is economically weaker. what you're seeing is, again, that promise of brexit colliding with the reality of brexit and when faced with that, either you compromise and accept that you told the british people a set of things that were not deliverable or you go on refusing to do that and the kind of political crisis continues. i would say the political crisis continuing is the most likely option. there are other options and the most likely outcome of all these votes in the british parliament is to delay.
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it's not heroic, but it's something they can agree on. >> it seems that theresa may is playing a hard line of chicken saying i'm going to take you as close as we can get to the deadline and you face two options. either we plunge off this cliff or you accept my muddled negotiated soft brexit. >> i think the trouble is there's people who have talked themselves into believing it would be better to plunge off the cliff. we've had -- politics in the last few weeks have been odd. at one point the government was saying no deal is better than the bad deal. now they've quickly reversed and said we want to avoid no deal at all costs. i'm told people in the government are briefing senior people in london saying we'll avoid doing that. you know, it's an even weirder story in which they put forward one policy.
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they back pedal as they discover it doesn't work. they put forward another one and change that. there's still no clear plan. we still don't really know what theresa may will do. will she let the country slide towards no deal? will she try to prevent it? it's not so much a game of chick. it's flailing. trying one plan, trying another plan to see if anything can stick. >> george, it seemed there was a healthy majority in the british parliament against everything. against a hard brexit, against a soft brexit, against a second referendum. could you have the thing that tony blair has been advocating from the start which is to say you had a chance to really think about this. do you really want it?
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>> i think as i say before we get to that point, if we get to it, the thing most people will agree on is let's put off this difficult question. for many years as the country's finance minister i saw the greek crisis from firsthand. i was in plenty of meetings where i was told we have to reach a decision. then the decision is let's meet again in six month's time. although it's the legally mandate position and the law of this country that we leave in three week's time which is what's causing a lot of disturbance among the businesses of the country as they have to plan for that contingency, the only way to stop it is to find a majority for something else. there's a majority for something else. it's not clear what. that's why people will coalesce around the delay option. there are those who want the second referendum, those who
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want a style of brexit, they'll all find the one thing they agree on is that a delay would suit their cause. that's why i think a delay opens up. personally i don't think it's a bad thing. i think allowing the country to continue to consider the biggest question it's faced since the second world war is a good thing. there's not a majority for any one clear cause of action. that's what's most likely to come out of next week. if you're a fan of william shakespeare it's about power and the crown is on the ground. the prime minister is not going tonight the next election for her party. everyone is clear she's going to go this year. people's positions are also dictated by where they think they'll be in a future contest for the crown, for the leadership of the conservative party and what that means at the moment is the leadership for the country. >> fascinating ongoing
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conversation. i'm sure we'll have you on to explain the next twist in this saga. thank you both. up next brexit was spurred on by a fear of others. donald trump makes a lot of political hey by stirring up a fear of others. why is this us versus them construct is so powerful? my next guest says it's hard wired into our brains. a fascinating conversation when we come back. so why am i still thinking about this? i'll take aleve. aleve. proven better on pain. but prevagen helps your brain with an ingredient originally discovered... in jellyfish. in clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve short-term memory. prevagen. healthier brain. better life. and the golden retriever er are very different.
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ourselves in an us versus them, finding another to dislike is almost hard wired into our brains. explain. >> when you look at the neuro biology of how we process us versus them, there's incredibly hard wired stuff. flash of faces of people that somebody has categorized as an in group or out group, your brain is looking at that. parts of brain are wired to discriminate fear and disgust. parts of your brains that activate faces don't activate. parts of your brain don't activate empathy. we have this gigantic fault line
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in our heads who evokes empathy, who evokes concern and who's a them that gets us bristling. >> you talk about how it's easy to scape goat. you say scape goating is a very human response. >> one of the more interesting parts of the brain is an area called an insula. it keeps you from getting poisoned. in humans it does that. in addition it also activates at morally disgusting acts at people's who actions we consider to be disgusting. it gives this tremendous vivice at who we think is different.
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we refer to them as vermon, them as cock roaches, all these things did he human icing themes. you just checked off half your to do list on your ethnic cleansing shopping list. >> you studied this very deeply. you talk about how you've come to this personally. you grew up in a small jewish community that was suspicious of the outside world. is this something one can do anything about? >> there's some good news lurking in there. it's some very fragile good news. it's one of the ways in which we're different from your typical chim p or baboon going
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through an us them die cod my. we belong to multiple groups and who counts asecond. >> the hope is we embrace the idea that everybody has multiple identities. we belong to many different groups. people can't be put into a box. is that right? >> well, the hope is that could be used for good. of course we have no shortage of examples. during the rwanda genocide, the people who had been neighbors for years, suddenly a neighbor, a classmate, a student, all of those were transformed into a them thanks to the propaganda of that in so far sofar as we're a
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species, we can be terribly vulnerable to manipulation. we're fairly hard wired into dividing the world and not being thrilled about the themes a. >> sobering stuff. professor, thanks for being on. >> thanks for having me on. >> i'll be right back. how's wednesday at 2? i can't. dog agility. tuesday at 11? nope. robot cage match. how about the 28th at 3? done. with unitedhealthcare medicare advantage plans, including the only plans with the aarp name, there's so much to take advantage of. thrilled about the themes. ts, it's easier to get the care you need when you need it. woman: this is your wake-up call. if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis,
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with our smart phones in our pockets most of us can almost always be tracked. many have made peace with this
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technological bargain. being trackable is not good if you're a soldier. which nation just passed a law banning soldiers from using cell phones while on duty? china, turkey, russia or the united states. stay tuned and we'll tell you the next answer. my next book of the week is "how markets and the state leave the community behind" from the man who went on to predict the financial crisis tells what's missing from economics today. this is a very important book that could change our way of thinking. now for the last look. the murder of saudi journalist jamal khashoggi led to much hand wringing and soul searching. the question is how to react?
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most governments were reluctant to impose punishment. germany took a stand against saudi arabia. this week it extended a unilateral email bar go of arms to the kingdom. some have applauded germany's stance as principled, it's wreaking havoc across europe. german components used in military equipment made the countries like france and the uk are blocking them from dealing with the saudis as well. take this war plane for example. one third of its components are german. because of that a $13 billion deal between the uk and saudi arabia is in jeopardy. these missiles the saudis want, planned exports to saudi arabia
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have been frozen because they contain german components. it's led saudi arabia to seek out replacements. this has created to tensions between countries and germany which so far refuses to deal with the kingdom until the human rights concerns are addressed. the answer to my "gps" challenge is c. russia's vladimir putin banned cell phones from soldiers for fear of military secrets falling into foreign hands. the new law follows a series of reports that used open source data like social media to prove that russian troops were in ukraine despite government denials. russia is not the only country limiting the tech use of troops. the pentagon has prevented
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deployed troops from using social technology including fitness trackers and dating apps. finally something the american and russian military agree on. thanks for being part of my program this week. i'll see you next week. i'm brian stelter it's tyim for how the media works, how the news gets made and how it can get better. did president trump try to use his power to block the at&t time warner deal. one of the dems seeking answers will joining me live. plus, an opening in the communication department. bill shine leaving. little later, digital media, the state of the internet. "buzzfeed" ceo