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and reaches everywhere. this is beyond wifi, this is xfi. simple. easy. awesome. xfinity, the future of awesome. are you watching cnn, i'm brooke baldwin. remember back in the day when you studied really hard and you made that list of your dream colleges and you took those standardized tests and snt all the extra time on scholarship applications, and then waited with bated breath for the letter or e-mail to come in the mail? yeah. turns out if you are rich and famous, you could have paid for it. check this out. this -- this huge hunk of paper, thank you, that's the criminal complaint the justice department
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announcing today it has charged 50 people, 5-0, in a widespread and long-running bribery scheme to get their kids into some of the country's most elite clejts and universities -- colleges and universities. it is the largest college admissions scam ever prosecuted by the justice department. those facing charges, ceos, athletic coaches at some of these elite schools, insiders at the s.a.t. or a.c.t. testing centers, and obviously affluent parents, including academy award nominee felicity huffman and "full house" actress lori loughlin. prosecutors unveiled what they've dubbed "operation varsity blues" this morning in boston, saying an admissions consultant by the name of william rick singer was at the center of this vast scheme. >> a central defendant in the scheme, william singer, will plead guilty today to charges of racketeering, conspiracy, money
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laundering conspiracy, conspiracy to defraud the united states and obstruction of justice. between roughly 2011 and 2018, wealthy parents paid singer about $25 million in total to guarantee their children's admission to elite schools including yale, georgetown, stanford, the university of southern california, the university of texas, ucla, and wake forest. >> let's start with our reporter in boston, she attended the news conference. and bryn, how did this happen? >> reporter: well, we're on the same wavelength because i'm holding that you will paperwork in my hand -- holding all that paperwork in my hand. it's dense, descriptive about the people named in the case. it was a year-long investigation. varsity blues is what the federal authorities called it. it's complex, as you can imagine. let me try to break this down. what authorities are basically
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saying is that singer started a nonprofit. parents would come to singer trying to get their kids into these universities, elite universities. and singer would help them in two ways. one way was the parents would pay the money into the nonprofit, and he would use money to pay people to either take those s.a.t.s for the students or change the scores for the students. always telling the parents to have their kids go to a therapy session to ask for more time on those tests. that was one way. another way was through athletics. according to all these court documents, authorities say singer would bribe college athletic coaches and have these students admitted to these elite schools as recruited students for a sport. even if that student never even played a sport. now you've mentioned felicity huffman, lori loughlin. according to authorities, these two actresses took -- separate routes. in the case of felicity huffman,
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the court documents detail that she and her husband paid $15,000 to singer to get him to take the -- change scores for her daughter's s.a.t. tests which, in turn, made her test score higher in order to get admitted. in the case of lori loughlin, the court documents show that she and her husband paid singer to create a fake crew profile so that she could get into usc as a crew recruit each though she never rowed the sport. incredible detail in these documents. a lot of people who are named are pleading guilty. they're coming to court today. and some are waiting to be arrested at this point. but i should mention the colleges say, we're getting a lot of reaction, a lot saying disappointment. they didn't know anything about it, and no colleges have been charged in this case. >> yeah. i think the word "disappointment" just starts to scratch at the surface of how people are feeling. thank you so much in boston. let's have a big conversation.
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ellie hoenig, former federal and state prosecutor, denise clark pope is a senior lecturer at stanford graduate school of education, and the author of "doing school: how we are creating a generation of stressed out, materialistic, and miseducate students." welcome to board of health of you. and first of all, i can't help but think of all the kids -- think of the kids who got bounced out of their dream school for the kids whose parents paid up to half a million dollars. so ellie, my first question to you is what are the legal consequences for these parents? >> these parents are in trouble. the coaches are in trouble, and the middlemen who ran this nonprofit are in trouble. i looked through this quickly. this is an ironclad case. nobody is walking away without getting convicted. the thing is, they flipped the main guy, this game, william singer, who looks like he's the hub. we call it a hub and spokes conspiracy meaning there's a guy in the middle, and he's dealing with people who don't necessarily know each other which are the spokes. this guy cooperated for about a
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year. they had his testimony. he made recorded phone calls that are devastating. this is the phone call where you hit play for the jury, and you have a conviction. he has emails -- these people are not savvy criminals. they're not a mafioso or drug dealer who knows how to use code and speak around it. they're saying straight up they're -- >> yo, how can you get my kid in -- >> thank you for helping, i'll pay the bribe. everyone's in a lot of trouble. >> denies, at such a vaubted -- vaunted place as stanford, what do you say to your students tomorrow? let me play the first clip, what prosecutors said about rich parents paying their kids' way into college. >> this is not a case where parents were acting in the best interests of their children. this is a case where they flaunted their wealth, sparing no expense, to cheat the system so they could set their children up for success with the best education money could buy
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literally. some spent from $200,000 to $ 6.5 million for guaranteed admission. their actions were without a doubt insidious, selfish, and shameful. >> denise, you earned your ph.d. at stanford. you even wrote a paper about the overwhelming culture of cheating in this country. i mean, there are students still enrolled in college who didn't earn their spots. what do you make of this, and what do you tell your students tomorrow? >> so i think one of the problems is unfortunately cheating is a reality. and it's a cheat or be cheated mentality that a lot of high school kids we see have and obviously a lot of parents. and the problem is that's really a symptom of a much larger cause around stress and overwhelm, and under a real misunderstanding of how important it is to go to a selective college. the sad thing about thiscaseis that these parents believe that selectivity of college was so
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important, it was worth compromising their values. and -- >> but hang on. hang on, if i may interrupt you. i'm like -- i can see the thought bubble above parents' heads as they're listening and thinking, hang on. if you're the kid of one of these affluent americans, aren't you already at an advantage? and to feel this need to go above and beyond, and in some cases you heard the prosecutors say pay millions of dollars to get your kid into a school, are you not -- >> yeah. >> -- furious? >> i mean, i think all of us are furious. i think -- i'm not surprised. we knew it wasn't a merriitocra from the start. you're already privileged when you come in the system with money. and excellent k12 that will set you up for getting into college in the first place. yeah, i think the people are rightly outraged, and
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unfortunately, i'm not surprised because of the culture of cheating. not just in schools but in our country right now in general. >> what do you make of the fact that this is alleged to have happened at stanford? by the way, we reached out to stanford. we haven't heard back. >> i'm not allowed to comment at all on the university. what i can say is that my organization, challenge success, which is connected to the graduate school of education at stanford, we work every day with schools to try to dial down the kind of stress and pressure on kids to take these kinds of cheating -- obviously this is much more extreme. but we work to educate parents around the right way to do school. >> okay. here's the other piece of this, ellie. when i was listening to the news conference earlier, this defendant, william singer, so he received these bribes. he had them funneled through this fake charity. and so he could conceal the nature of the bribes. then he told parents, hey, by the way, you can deduct your charitable donation on your taxes. >> that's a serious piece of
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this, as well. it's not just the bribery and the fraud that we see. there's a money laundering problem because they're funneling money through this bogus corporation. and there's tax implications. think about it -- if someone writes off a $100,000 charitable donation, that's $30,000, $40,000, you're cheating the irs for. that's a serious piece, as well. this -- this hits all the notes. you have privilege, you have wealth, you have athletics, you have celebrities. it's really a pretty unbelievable case. >> thank you so much for that conversation, as we get more and more details, obviously we'll pass them along. in the meantime, let me move to what's happening in washington, d.c. house speaker nancy pelosi breaking with members of her own party saying impeaching trump isn't worth it. how do those freshmen democrats feel about that? we asked them. and pressure building on american regulators to ban boeing's bestselling plane as more countries and more airlines are either grounding the fleet or banning the plane in their airspace altogether. what is the u.s. waiting for is
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our question. and this explosive new book on jared kushner and ivanka trump. painting this new picture of the white house power couple, including reports that ivanka and her father aren't as close as you might think. i'm brooke baldwin, and this is cnn. humira patients, you inspire us. the way you triumph over adversity. and live your lives. that's why we redesigned humira. we wanted to make the experience better for you. now there's less pain immediately following injection. we've reduced the size of the needle and removed the citrate buffers. and it has the same effectiveness you know and trust. humira citrate-free is here. a little change can make a big difference. humira can lower your ability to fight infections. serious and sometimes fatal infections, including tuberculosis, and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened, as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. tell your doctor if you've been to areas where certain fungal infections are common
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he's. he's not worth it. four little words making a splash on capitol hill where a divide among congressional democrats over impeachment is coming into full view. house speaker nancy pelosi seemingly advising her caucus against it, saying it could rip the country apart. speaker pelosi's words, however, are having little impact on michigan's rasheeda talib who made an expletive-filled vow to go after president trump shortly
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after she was elected. >> speaker pelosi and all members of leadership have encouraged us to represent our district. and this is something that was important to my residence, still continue to be, my constituents. >> continuing to push for impeachment, right? >> i am beginning the investigation. the things that you've been hearing about. instead of being rurmmors. let's investigate these offenses. >> but a member of the house intelligence committee is warning his fellow democrats about being too focused on this one issue. >> in the final analysis, the speaker's going to move forward on impeachment if it is merited. i think the mistake that some democrats might be making is making it the only issue we're trying to address. >> right. >> there is a whole world of things that we have to work on, and we can't give the public the impression that this is our fixation. >> cnn chief political correspondent dana bash is in washington. and so, all right, so speaker pelosi says trump isn't worth it. but she also said she wouldn't recommend it -- her words,
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unless there's something so compelling and overwhelming. so translation, does it sounds like she's closing the door? >> not totally close. as she and the congresswoman said, they haven't begun their full investigation. even though it feels like there's been an investigation for years of president trump, when it comes to the house, republicans were in charge until january. and democrats felt like they didn't get near where they needed to get in terms of doing oversight. she left the door open. but she's also -- this is one of the benefits of having a speaker who doesn't give a you know what about her future because she has so much -- so much of a well of very deep and wide well of credibility -- >> experience -- >> with her people, her caucus and experience. she understands the political reality.
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looking at it from 30,000 feet of going forwards with an impeachment of a president who is going to be up for re-election and will face the voters in -- in less than two years. and so that is a really important point to make. it's not as if this is a president who's in his second term and won't be punished. it is up to the democrats, she clearly believes, to make the argument on the campaign trail that it is the voters through the regular electoral process who should punish him. but not closing the door fully in case something remarkable comes up. >> and to that point about the voters, congresswoman talib said the issue was important to her constituents. that's why she says she's beginning the process. the recent quinnipiac poll shows not everyone is on board not yet. to remind everyone, if asked if congress should begin impeachment against president trump, which could lead to his removal from office, 59% of americans say no. so that's compared to 35% who say yes. let's set aside the resistance from senate republicans for a
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minute. don't democrats need more of the american public on their side? >> yes -- >> yes, to pursue this? >> yes. absolutely. we're not just talking about the base. you know, the base is riled up. we're talking strictly about practical politics here. this is what i'm about to say. the base is riled up. they're going to get out there. they're not going to be depressed because there's no impeachment process. they're going to be energized because they want to get rid of donald trump politically. the question is the middle. the question is the independence or the people who maybe stayed home because they were meh about hillary clinton. and they weren't really that excited. those people need a reason to not go, particularly those who didn't stay home, went to vote for donald trump, to not be turned off by democrats. and there -- there is a potential, a potential for independents to get turned off by democratic overreach with impeachment instead of democrats
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getting their message out on the issues that they say that they want to deal with, which -- that's already gotten kind of overwhelmed by even the discussion of potential impeachment. so pelosi's clearly trying to turn away for that and talk -- away for that and talk about what they want to do with the democratic majority in the house. >> speaking of speakers, remember paul ryan? >> sure do. >> paul ryan? paul ryan sending up this red flag on the 2020 campaign saying that a democrat could defeat trump in some of his first public commentsleaving congress saying, "if this is about donald trump and his personality, he isn't going to win it." so you know, ryan's dustups with trump, that's like, you know, total common knowledge. he is the former speaker of the house. so how do you think these comments play in the non-trump wing of the party? do you think that that might embolden republicans who are considering that primary challenge to the president? >> no. i don't think it's going to embolden any republican on that
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level. i really don't. the president is incredibly popular. doesn't mean that people like former governor weld of massachusetts won't do it, but it's going to be an incredible uphill climb. i don't know that this will make that much of a difference. what i do know and i've talked to somebody this morning about this who's -- who's getting close with paul ryan, is that he -- you're right, there's no love lost between the two. there never was. but what he was trying to say and maybe it didn't come across that way in this speech, is that he's a policy wonk. and he wants to be -- he wants elections to be more about policy and less about personality. 2016 was somewhat about policy, but it was a lot about personality. and that's what he was trying to get across. and i wouldn't be surprised if paul ryan goes back into his, you know, hermit kingdom right now, and doesn't come back out because -- because he's already somebody who is a foil for president trump, i mean, he went after him in the -- in the rose
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garden a couple of weeks ago. and this makes it even easier for him because it's not unusual and not -- and not unlike the president to run against his fellow republicans in the house because he's a lot more popular with the base and with others than republicans in congress. >> got it. dana bash, thank you so much. if you had a ticket to fly on the boeing jet involved in those two recent deadly crashes, would you fly? the pressure is mounting as more countries are grounding this particular plane, but not here in the u.s. plus, a brand-new book about the president's family sheds new light on the relationship between ivanka trump, her husband, and her father. we'll talk about how she reportedly explained away her father's comments about racism in charlottesville.
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click, call, or visit a store today. boeing and u.s. regulators are resisting calls to ground the boeing 737 max 8 jet following the second deadly crash in five months after major questions surround its safety. boeing says it has full confidence in the safety of this aircraft despite the growing number of countries who have grounded or banned the max 8 plane from their airspace. moments ago, the european union joining the list of those suspending all flight operations of this particular aircraft. and the president of the association of flight attendants called for the grounding of the boeing 737 max 8 fleet until, quote/unquote, faa identifyification fixes to -- identify fixes that can be installed and confirmed. pressure mounting there. three major u.s. airlines,
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though, continue to fly the plane. american and southwest include the max 8 in their fleet. and united operates the larger max 9. that is a growing source of concern for u.s. flight crews and you the passenger and lawmakers. senators mitt romney and elizabeth warren are among lawmakers calling for the faa to ground these jets. we learned that the pilots of the doomed ethiopian airlines flight told air traffic controllers that they were having flight control problems moments before the plane crashed killing all 157 people on board. >> i called in -- the air traffic controllers recorded voice exchange. the pilot report d reported fli control problems. he was having difficulties with the flight control of the airplane. he asked to return back to base, and clearance was given to him. >> let's go on this cnn's richard quest there in london
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for us. and richard, you're the one who did the interview with the ceo of the airline. and the fact that he told you the pilots told air traffic control they were having flight control problems before the crash, what did that tell you? >> reporter: it tells me that there are too many similarities between what happened with the ethiopian plane and what's happened with lion air back in october. that plane, too, had flight control problems that eventually led the plane to crash very violently. remember, the similarities -- both brand-new planes of the max 8 variety. both in the early phases of flight. both extremely violent ways in which the planes crashed. and both where there were flight control issues and great altitude changes. brooke, if this wasn't so serious, it would be reaching to the absurd where we have all these other reputable regulators, the e.u., australia,
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singapore, we have airlines themselves like nigeria, like north -- many of the -- beg your pardon -- canceling, grounding the fleet -- norwegian, i beg your pardon, the united states refusing to ground the plane so far. and even within the united states, brooke, you have the extreme situation of the flight attendants saying grounds them. the airlines saying don't, and some of the pilots unions saying it's safe to fly. it's leaving the traveling public in an impossible position. >> if you're an american and you know that, say, two or so dozen max 8 planes are being flown here in the u.s., how do you know if you're booked on one? what can you do about it? >> reporter: you look on line. you look at the airline. it will say 738 max or 7 max,
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the airline will tell you. on the booking it will way 7-3 and you call up and ask. that's the question -- the real question, brooke, is what do you do then? you see -- >> do you fly? >> the faa puts out its statement -- exactly. the faa put out their statement yesterday saying that in -- and correct, by the way, in the absence of any evidence or further facts, they're saying there's no reason to ground. that's a line that's followed by boeing. it's sort of almost -- almost alice in wonderland turning it on its head. there are new facts. the new facts are that other airlines and other regulators have used the phrase "precautionary" out of an abundance of safety, wanting to absolutely make sure. now if all these other regulators are saying the same thing, how can the faa stick to its position that there are no
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new facts and there's no reason to do anything about it until they get the reading from the black boxes? it doesn't make sense. and it's causing a massive confusion for the traveling public. >> i know you've seen this tweet, but in case you haven't seen this trump tweet on this whole thing, let me read it -- airplanes are becoming far too complex to fly. pilots are no longer needed, but rather computer scientists from mit. richard? >> reporter: if you read the whole tweet you see what the president is saying. what the president is saying, that pilots are not needed. the whole tweet is saying actually the planes are too complicated. it is pilots who will be the last bastions of safety. i sgrae agree on this. the idea of a pilotless plane, it probably won't happen in my lifetime. but that's what people are
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talking about. and the president is saying get back to simpler aircraft. the problem is the fuel efficiency, your number of aircraft, your ability to get the maximum amount of the industry, that requires your avionics. that requires your technology. and that is where the problem arises. >> richard quest, thank you so much for all of your expertise in all things planes. meantime, new today, another investigation tied to the president and his business empire. this one stemming from michael cohen's testimony recently up on capitol hill. why the new york state attorney general is interested in multiple trump projects now. plus, mike pompeo's recent travels are raising questions about his own political future. what all those visits say about future ambitions in 2020 and beyond. fidelity is redefining value for investors. introducing zero account fees for brokerage accounts. and zero minimums to open an account. we have fidelity mutual funds with zero minimum investment.
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a new book on ivanka trump and her husband jared kushner details some of most volatile
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moments of the presidency. the days after 2017 news conference in which the president blamed, quote, both sides for violence at a white nationalist rally in charlottesville, virginia. the then-chief white house economic adviser, gary cohn, was on the brink. quitting. it was jump who wanted him in the first place -- ivanka trump who wanted him in the first place and told him "my dad didn't mean it." and now to "kushner, inc." the kushner camp is hitting back against the book's voracity and author, vicky ward. a spokesman for kushner said that every point that ms. ward mentioned in which she called her fact-checking stage was entirely false. she's written fiction rather than any serious attempt to get the facts, correcting everything wrong would take too long and be pointless. and the white house i should add calls the book, quote, sad fiction. cnn contributor michael dantonio
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wrote the book "truth about trump." glad to have you back. let's start with the piece on charlottesville where ivanka trump reportedly said to gary cohn my dead innocent-- my dad . given all that you know about the family dynamic, how often has ivanka trump had to defend her father on things like this? >> she's been put in this position time and time again really throughout her adult life. and even as a child, we have tof tomorrow to this is the kid who walked to school seeing her parents' tabloid divorce scandal played out on the newsstands that she passed on the street. so she's been in this awful position of having to explain this man for her whole life. and i have to have some empathy for her. she's almost trapped in this dynamic. either she acknowledges that her
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father has racist leanings and says racist and bigoted things, or she has to lie about it and join sort of this family practice of denying the truth, manipulating the facts, and distorting when things are uncomfortable. it's a terrible thing for her. >> sure. you feel for her. here's the other nugget from the "times" -- this book details how jared kushner and ivanka trump tried to control who could travel on trips funded by the state department. and that apparently ivanka trump often requested access to air force planes when it was not appropriate. is this not -- i can hear, you know, some camps saying is this not exhibit a that families shouldn't work in the white house, that rules don't apply to them? >> well, it is exhibit a. before i get carried away with my empathy for ivanka trump, that sort of stops with her adulthood. you know, i think this is a person -- >> full stop.
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>> she has taken advantage of everything that her family name and her wealth offered. we're looking at this terrible scandal, college admissions right now, and that is all about boosting a kid who's not qualified to fraudulently gain access to the benefits that everyone else competes for on the level. i think ivanka trump and jared kushner are exhibit number one for nepotism. they're strikingly unqualified. it's appalling that they have offices in the white house at all. and now they're coveting these air force jets and, you know, this all comes from being raised in a family where the jet with the big name on the side of it was an identifier or a part of their status. and it really was expected that you got this privileged
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treatment, and now this is abuse of the government and abuse of the taxpayer dollars to insist that this be something you get from the united states air force. it's really shocking. >> but the bizarre piece of this is so -- so they're working in the white house, but apparently president trump didn't want them there. at one point when he hired john kelly, his new chief, he told them to, quite, get rid of my kids, get them bark to new york boy -- quote, get rid of my kids, get them back to new york. why wouldn't trump want his son-in-law and his daughter around? on the one hands, you know, there's all this reporting recently of how he risked everything to get them the top security clearances. on the other hand, he wants them out of d.c.? it doesn't jive for me. >> no. it doesn't. you know, a lot of what donald trump says and does would make no sense to a regular person. you're -- you look at this from the outside, and you think, well, either he wants him in there or doesn't.
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either he wants the comfort and protection of the family or he's afraid of their incompetence. and it could have been that on a given day he was seeing headlines that bothered him or maybe he was hearing from national security officials that both jared and ivanka have security problems. and he didn't want to have to deal with it. this is a man who for all of his bellowing and bragging and jabbing at people is conflict averse. he doesn't like face-to-face conflicts, so the idea of, well, get rid of these people even though they're in his family, he's talking about them like they're objects because everyone in donald trump's field of vision is an object. you know, even as -- his son-in-law and his daughter ultimately become chess pieces to move around. >> just think about that for a minute. michael dantonio. thank you so much. good to see you.
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sports stars mixing it up with fans, particularly nba fans. that's nothing new. sometimes back and forth can be kind of fun, but sometimes it goes too far. take what happened in salt lake city between utah jazz fan and oklahoma thunder star russell
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westbrook. westbrook was caught on camera threatening a fan and his companion. >> we are playing -- i swear to god. i swear to god [ bleep ]. you and your wife -- >> after the game, westbrook defended his remarks claiming the fan yelled a racially insensitive comment. >> i was seeing a young man and has wife told me to get on my knees -- to me that was disrespectful. to me, i think it's racial. i think it's inappropriate in that there's no protection for the players. there's got to be something done. there's got to be some consequences for those type of people that come to the game just to say and do whatever they want to say. and i don't think it's fair to the players, not just to me, but i don't think it's fair to the players. >> espn host, sports and culture
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columnist for the "los angeles times," cnn opinion writer, with me now. good to see you. the real question is how much taunting and trash talk is too much before a player can fight back? >> well, first of all, i think we need to separate the general sort of trash talk to some of the thanks russell westbrook is accusing the fan of saying to him. i think trash talk, booing, that's all part of the game. in fact, i prefer to go to games as a fan as opposed to a media personality or journalist because i can boo. i want to boo and be engaged. >> i want to boo. >> i want to boo. that's part of the fan experience. there's nothing wrong with that. obviously russell westbrook feels that the fan crossed a line. and saying the words, if they were the words, in fact, that were said, can be seen as racist, homophobic, certainly inappropriate. this isn't the first time fans in utah specifically have been accused of that. you can go to the '80s in which they ran on to the floor and
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started fights. they say horrible things to shaq and kobe, lebron james. it's not the first time fans in utah in particular have been accused of crossing the line. >> we heard westbrook's version. this is what the fan said happened -- >> he's got to be a professional. she was sitting down the entire time. me and him were -- it was kind of having fun, you know. >> reporter: at least you thought you were having fun? >> he was smiling at one point. i mean, there was a lot of people. it was when, you know, joe had come by and poked paul george in the eye. and then -- then joe goes over and apologizes immediately. russ is just f bombing and carrying on, acting a fool down here. and everybody's getting on him. then he i guess heat -- i thought it was ice much i told him, sit down and ice your knees, bro. he turned like -- that's heat, that's heat. i'm like, you're going to need it. and then it turned into not safe for work.
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>> reporter: that's what provoked the response? there was no swear words? >> i never said a swear word it him. everybody in thevisssistant will say -- vicinity will say it. never said a single wealthier wo swear word to him, not one. initially i was like, oh, i'm talking with westbrook. the guy is one of the greats. but he's also classless. >> he can threaten me all he wants. i was the one talking to him. but don't threaten a woman. she's five-feet tall and 110 pounds, man. i mean, never said a word to him. her first nba game ever. >> that's the fan's side. utah jazz says that they're investigating, adding that multiple warning cards were issued by arena security. you go to -- you go to ball games, it's the nba where you are the physically closest to these players, which to your point you get to boo to their face, which can be fun. but who -- who should be held to
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the higher standard? should it be the player? should it be the fan? >> it should be both. there's no reason to believe that just because your job is to entertain fans that then you should be open to being berated, belittled, but humanized. buying a ticket to a game doesn't give you permission to dehumanize another human being. i believe russell westbrook made what appeared to be a threat to a woman. he apologized for that. he crossed the line there. but certainly fans bear responsibility to behave by being decent human beings, as well. i like to boo, but i'm not going to call out your name. i'm not going to say bad things about your family, your children. these are the things that not only nfl players but all players across the multitude of sports have to face by entitled fans. i think both should be held to a higher standard in that environment, not just the player. >> good to see you. thank you so much for your opinion. want to get back to the breaking news now. the largest college admissions
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he's america's top diplomat, so why is the secretary of state
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traveling around the u.s. mike pompeo has several trips over the southwest the next month, raising eyebrows in the administration. is his travel out of obligation or ambition? cnn national security reporter kiley atwood has new reporting. so tell us what you're learning from sources. >> reporter: today secretary of state mike pompeo is in texas. he's giving a speech on energy. next week he's going to be in kansas giving a speech on global entrepreneurship. and last week he was in iowa. and he was there for state state department purposes. he said, you know, that the first priority of the state department is working for the american people. he was trying to recruit iowans to work for the state department saying it just shouldn't be people from d.c. or boston or new york working for the study. so he was there for reasons that are tied to what he's working on. he also, of course, raised eyebrows. if anyone goes to iowa, as you know, it is a signal, ding, ding, ding, that he might be trying to get iowans on his side. and in fact, i talked to some
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iowans who helped him plan the trip and who were there with him. and he did have good reviews from them. one described to me that he's really, really smooth. he's just good and reasonable. he can open -- he can operate up and down the vertical chain from jong i don't think to ckim jong and employees to boot. there was no downside. of course, no downside to secretary of pompeo his personal brand. but it is raising eyebrows from within the administration. a senior administration official telling my colleague, rebecca buck, that people are starting to question what his political future is. he's ruled out running for the seat, the senate seat open in kansas. but of course there's no heir apparent to president trump yet. so you know, could pompeo try to be -- garner up some friends in iowa? >> kiley atwood, thank you. you are