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5 pounds, 9 ounces and 18 inches long. they're all doing well. resting, congratulations to this entire wonderful family. to our viewers, thank you for watching. follow me on twitter and instagram on wolf blitzer. erin burnett "outfront" starts erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com out front next, the contact with an alleged russian agent. plus, president trump lashing out as one of the only bank that's would do business is now the target of the new investigation. what could they have on trump? and a new book says trump tried to push ivanka out of the white house. let's go "outfront." good evening. i'm erin burnett. out front, manafort's russia connection. we're hours away from paul manafort, president trump's former campaign chairman, from his first sentencing for crimes
related to russia. front and central, manafort's relationship with his co-defendant, a russian. a russian mueller says is tied to russian intelligence. a russian that judge amy betterman jackson has already said is material, her word, to mueller's probe. that russian is constantine. tomorrow we may be a lot closer to finding out if this is the ultimate lie. >> this was no collusion. never has been. >> no choogs. >> no collusion. >> these judge who not only sent manafort to jail but to solitary confinement, this after he was accused of witness tampering.
the ruling comes early tomorrow and she has complete discretion over whether it will run on top of or concurrent with the 47 months manafort received last week from virginia based federal judge. it shocked everyone with its leniency. ellis had been critical of the special counsel. during the trial, he even questioned whether mueller's team overstepped its authority saying you don't really care about manafort's bank fraud. you care about what information mr. manafort can give that you would reflect on mr. trump or lead to his prosecution or impeachment or whatever. tomorrow will be a very different case and perhaps a very different sentence. storm a big day at court tomorrow. >> reporter: absolutely. tomorrow will be a significant
moment in the legacy of special counsel's russia investigation. manafort facing off against a harvard educated former pru prosecutor who knows his case inside and out. the only real question is whether she throws book at him orment son for leniency. now the judge is back in the spotlight with the power to put manafort in prison another ten years. an obama appointee, jackson has been overseeing a series of cases related to rob mueller's investigation. her history with manafort runs deep. she revoked his bail after finding he tried to coach potential witnesses. a violation that has kept him in jail ever since. and unlike ts ellis, the judge in virginia who painted the
crimes as an aberration in an otherwise blameless life, jackson unyielding in her assess many that he lied about matters central to the special counsel's work. could not cheweding in february he made multiple false statements about his communications with konstantin kilimnik who they say has ties to russian intelligence. while the attorney says manafort has been unfatherly vilified. >> there's been no evidence that the trump campaign clueded with the russian government. >> and she's shown a no nonsense approach when it comes to the cases of other trump associates as well. scolding roger stone after he posted a picture of cross hairs next to her head. jackson telling stone, quote, from this moment on, the defendant may not speak publicly about the investigation or the case or any of the participant in the investigation or the case. period. while manafort is facing some serious time any way you look it
a, stone's lawyers are hoping to keep him out of jail. saying that he didn't violate her gag order in that rerelease of the book discusses the russia investigation in the introduction. stone will be in court thursday. >> i want to go now to on chief analyst. let me start with you, look, judge jackson has not had any patience for manafort. right? the witness tampering. by the way, keep in mine there's been guilty pleas by manafort in these charges. a stark contrast to judge ellis who seemed to have so much sympathy. so will tomorrow's sentencing look very different from last time where the judge famously said manafort had led a quote, otherwise blameless life. >> yeah. night and day. she's such a serious person. you look at all her previous
efforts. they've been serious. she's had the benefit of being both a prosecutor and a defense lawyer. she knows bs when she sees it. she called roger stone on his when he was called to the stand a few weeks ago. and she's made specific findings about paul manafort, that he lied about his inactions with konstantin kilimnik as we just saw is in the opener. will we get a bombshell about the conspiracy with the russians tomorrow? maybe that's asking a bit too much. but she's already found that he lied. >> this is really important. you have people watching. some of them like roger stone, not sentenced yet. what does roger stone think when he sees paul manafort get only one year longer than michael cohen but the possibility of a pardon is still on the table.
so judge jackson has this on her shoulders too. or does she look at it that way? that she needs to have manafort's sentence become big enough to send a message to others or not? >> i think she needs to send a message to the defendant but it would not be her role to send a message to the president. she should be able to take into account all of his behavior deciding to sentence him. what i think is more interesting is what he was not charged with. manafort is a fulcrum here. i suspect that was the counter intelligence investigation and may not have been charged in court. i think the question is can congress or mueller's report actually reveal that? and if trump does pardon mafrd, he would potentially who's his fifth amendment right against self-incrimination and could potentially be asked to testify
in front of congress. it can be a double edged sword. and of course last time, manafort was accused of cheating the public out of taxes. he will have a chance to speak tomorrow. do you think he will say anything differently? >> it is hard to say. he has a terrible relationship, as you pointed out, with judge jackson who has been tough on him. if you're looking toward a pardon, as i believe he is, why would you apologize? donald trump probably would not like that very much. i think judge jackson would like to hear an apology. by the way, judge ellis pointed out that he would have liked to hear an apology which he did not get from paul manafort. if you didn't poapologize in on
court -- >> that's the audience of one. judge ellis said you should apologize. so after the last sentencing, trump came out and echoed the words of manafort's lawyer. >> there's absolutely no evidence that paul manafort was involved with any collusion with any government official from russia. >> his lawyer went out of the way to say no collusion with russia. >> so that wasn't about collusion at all. it was about bank and tax fraud. yet, the quakts this alleged russian agent with material to mueller's probe and he's a material person in the case. where are we?
does this mean there's no charge for collusion and that would be conspiracy? >> bits conspiracy. and with her national security background uses the term compromise. here we see both evidencenspira. collusion is not a term we use in the law. what he has pled guilty to here is a very extensive scheme of financial fraud, money hauntedering, and he has pled guilty to the witness tampering. involving his attempts to contact foreign witnesses on his behalf. so what you have here is an elaborate international conspiracy to be sure. is it the last we'll hear about manafort in the case? i suspect the there are indictments brought later on for the trump tower meeting that don
jr. was involved in, we could see paul manafort figuring in as well. and that's the big question. could he be charged with conspiracy? >> yes. to go to harry's point, i think it is important to read between lines. he mentioned compromise. this is a person with deep connections to people connected to russian intelligence. he showed up on the campaign doorstep willing to work for free. the polling data, it was changed at the national convention. in the fbi we call this ao. even though it may not constitute a crime, it can be a
national security threat. that's what we need to keep our eye on. not just the bar of criminal behavior. it may not be the driving determining thing that you it could be. >> we don't know difinitively. i'll tell you that. but there seem to be fewer road blocks in the way of mueller issuing a report. there will be status reports soon. cooperators, the roger stone trial will go forward. you have the manafort sentencing tomorrow. it seems to me things are getting tied up and maybe this is a moment for mueller to say, okay, these things are done. now i can do what i need to do and give the report to the
attorney general. >> thank you all very much. president trump going on offense as new york investigators target one of the only bank that's would do business with him. a bank that could be central to his political future. plus, a top democrat with this warning. if mueller's report is not made public -- >> congress will have to re-create everything the mueller investigation did. >> and he once said this about impeaching bill clinton. >> bits determining whether he is fit to lead the country and that's what we should focus on. >> why is rick santorum saying something very different now when it comes to president trump? i'll ask him. by over 200 indoor and outdoor allergens. like those from buddy. because stuffed animals are clearly no substitute for real ones. feel the clarity. and live claritin clear.
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business with donald trump. now deutsche bank is facing growing scrutiny because of that decades long relationship. the new york state attorney general who ran for office vowing to investigate trump's business dealings is demanding that the bank provide records. >> president trump was almost on the verge of bankruptcy. all of a sudden he was flush with money. we know domestic banks were not extending any credit to him. the question is, where did he get all that money from? >> the subpoena covers loans, mortgages and lines of credit the bank has extended to trump, a golf course outside miami and records relating to trump's failed bid to guy buffalo bills in 2014. a source familiar tells cnn. the bank's relationship with trump took shape in the late 1990s after multiple bankruptcies made trump less attractive to many lenders. deutsche bank has led or participated in more than $2.5
billion in loans the trump affiliated companies since 1998. investigations involving the bank's loans are growing. now this civil inquiry from new york's top cop. the ag's office has also subpoenaed new jersey based investors bank for the trump project. >> i am provided the committee today with several documents. >> the latest inquiry was launched after the former trump lawyer and fixer michael cohen testified about trump's allegedly shading business practices on capitol hill. >> it was my experience that mr. trump inflate his total assets when it served his purposes such as trying to be listed among the wealthiest people of foreign and reas toing his taxes. >> he accused him of
manipulating his taxes as an effort to guy buffalo bills. in recent years, deutsche bank has faced allegations of money laundering and sanctions violations. the lender was fined more than $ $600 million in penalties. it involved the moscow, london and new york branches. >> we'll need to talk to some of the banks that have been doing with mr. bank. like deutsche bank which has had a history of laundering money. it was one of the only bank that's would do business with mr. trump after american banks refused. >> a spokeswoman for deutsche bank said we've remained committed to cooperating with authorized investigators. >> all right. thank you. out front to the attorney,
the guy that does forbes lists. so you know a lot about donald trump in a lot of ways of let's start first with deutsche bank. this is the whole relationship, it goes back two decades. when no one else wanted to work trump, deutsche bank did. >> they were instrumental getting trump from a failure and had all these problems in atlantic city to the art of the comeback. he wrote a whole book about this. without deutsche bank, none of that happens. >> so deutsche bank, you can't overstate importance of deutsche bank. >> so deutsche bank is critical for trump. and by the way they also paid $630 million in penalties, a huge fine, for a money laundering scheme. so you've got trump on the one hand.
this money laundering scheme. these two things do not necessarily need to be related but they could be. is it harassment? >> no. not harassment. i think it is interesting because of the russian connection that he mentioned. not everyone who deals with deutsche bank is involved with money laundering. but the connection between trump and russia, this is another one. why would this not be investigated carefully, given the connections between deutsche bank and russian money laundering? secondly, as we were saying a moment ago. why is this institution alone amongst many institutions, the one that is willing to do business with him? there's been some reporting that it is not even the commercial behinding part of the bank where would you expected to help real estate projects. but the private net worth group.
it is the part that pays for your kids to go to college, not to buy the buffalo bills, for example. >> so this relationship was very important. deutsche bank was loyal to trump when no one else would be. >> at the time had began, deutsche bank did not have a large real estate lending arm. originally the loans did come from their real estate lending arm and then it changed years later. they needed to go for somebody who, they weren't going to get any borrower they wanted. and donald trump wouldn't get any bank that he wanted. so they kind of needed each other. on the first deals they did, 40 wall street and trump tower in new york, they did really, really well so that created this trust in this relationship that has evolved over the years. ultimately it led to lawsuits.
ultimately they got over it and they've been doing business together. >> so one of the two house committees with ties to deutsche bank, which could be crucial. this was the source of money. the intelligence committee, chairman adam schiff, is on that list. he has repeatedly linked deutsche bank and money laundering repeatedly. here he is. >> if the special counsel hasn't subpoenaed deutsche bank, he can't be doing much of a money laundering investigation. >> they have a history of laundering russian money. this was apparently the one bank willing to do business with the trump organization. is that a coincidence? if it is a form of compromise, it needs to be exposed. >> if true, that's a huge if, if so, is trump compromised by russia? co-possibly be an unwitting or wit go asset?
>> it is possible. if there is this question, congressman schiff hypothesizes. it is possible that prior crimes could be used as leverage. we've heard them talk about the ability of foreign governments, if they know about a crime and we don't, it is potentially leverage to use against him. it is also true that the intersection of money laundering and real estate is something that is now a real enforcement priority. a group within the treasury department. a couple years ago, new regulations. if you're in the real estate business and you see a suspicious transaction, it is not just if you're a good citizen. you're now required by regulation to make a report to the department of treasury and say this looks suspicious. there could be money laundering here. you have a lot of these buyers. quick before we go. inflating assets.
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tonight a warning. if the bob mueller report is not made public, the house could go and do it all over again. here's the house intelligence chairman adam schiff. >> if the department opts to document a new policy,ment son to put forward a double standard and deprive the congress of this evidence, it will mean that the congress will have to re-create everything the mueller investigation did. >> "outfront" now, from rhode island who sits on the senate judiciary committee. it's been 18 months. i don't know how many hundreds of thousands of pages and people. re-creating the mueller probe, is that a serious threat? >> i think having to do a lot of independent investigation would become necessary if we didn't get meaningful access to the mueller report. where necessary, even the
statements and evidence behind the report. this is not the ordinary type of criminal prosecution does not let members of congress into the process. has the special process involving the president of the united states and the special statute and related to impeachment, potentially. so we're playing i think by different ground rules. and those ground rules ought to include full cooperation with the congress. >> all right. you mentioned the word impeachment. the house judiciary chairman, your colleague over in the house, jerry nadler, spoke to cnn about impeachment today. i wanted to play for you what he said. >> you've been skeptical about moving forward on impeachment without bipartisan support. there's some concerns on the left that democratic leadership appears to be shutting the door to this before the mueller report has come out. >> well, certainly i'm not
shutting the door. >> are democrats trying to have it both ways on this impeachment issue right now, senator? >> that's not the way i think of it. i've spent a lot of time in court rooms and doing prosecutions. there's an order of proceeding. the first thing you do is you put your evidence together. and then you make your case. and then you will ask for the judgment that you seek. in this case, the judgment that would be sought would be to proceed with an impeachment. but the house is newly under a democratic control and i think they deserve time without having to discuss impeachment yet to look at the evidence and put together a case to the american people. a very important piece of that will be the mueller report. it could conceivably be sufficiently damming that there is brought bipartisan sent pimt
this president needs to be remov removed. or not. we don't know that yet. you can impeach him in the house but he would stay in office because it comes to you. that's the bipartisan that we're talking about. >> that's technically the bipartisan that we're talking about. i suspect that the house leadership would also like to see the peach vote as well. >> do you really think that if this is something short of an all-out conspiracy, an indictable crime. that you could get 20 of your colleagues on board? do you have any idea what the bar is from your conversations with them? >> no. not really.
the bar was pretty low there. and the senate rejected it. so it has to be a higher bar than that. that's one thing that we know. all right. i want to ask but the horrific crash with the boeing 737. now aircraft has been grounded by aviation authorities and airs across the world. but not here. the faa just released a statement saying that it can keep flying here. they don't know what went on. they've recommend a software. boeing is putting a fix in with response to lion air before they even know what happens with this. do you think the plane should just keep flying? >> i'm not an aviation expert. we need to get to the bottom of
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here's what he said in 1998. >> i'm not really interested in punishing this president. that's not what impeachment is about. it is about determining whether he is fit to lead this country and that's what we should focus on. >> fit to lead this country. now, here's what clinton press secretary joe lock hart also in the center of this back then, said in 1998. >> because of politics, the house, a majority party has impeached the president because they could do it. because they had the power to do it. without making an effective case for it. >> so you heard the operative lines in each of those chases. the two gentlemen you just saw, rick, what happened to the turtleneck? >> i think we look remarkably good. >> i must say, you both do. i did like that sartorial styles change over time. you both do look good. you said back then that
impeachment is not about punishment. it is about determining whether the president is fit to lead this country but you are not for impeachment with donald j. trump. why? >> in the case of bill clinton, we had a very clear criminal act. he lied under oath. that's a very serious criminal act. people are prosecuted for it all the time. one of the reasons that i didn't want trump to give testimony to bob mueller. i was afraid of. very thing. >> given his tendency to exaggerate on occasion, i was very concerned about his responding to the written interrogatories. >> you think republicans have a double standard. >> i do. i think a lot of what underpinned the comments of many republicans in the house and the
senate was somehow that they were morally offended by what clinton had done. with this president, we have the access hollywood tape. we have 22 women who have accused him of sexual assault. we have hush money paid for to have a porn star. we have on sunday night calling at this time porn star presidency. the fact of the matter is, newt gingrich, the speaker of the house, told the then chief of staff, he said why are you going forward with impeachment? because we can. it was an act of raw political power. nancy pelosi and the democrats have that raw political power right now and they are choosing not to do it. they're choosing to wait to see what the facts are and they may not impeach at all because they believe at this tiit is the rigo do. >> okay.
i saved the best for you. no you said this. i don't think there are a lot of people around washington, d.c., if bill clinton looked them in the eye and told them something, that they would believe him immediately. i think that's important in governing this country. so i felt that he had, that removing him was necessary under the area of leadership. you made about it looking a guy in the eye and believing he was a liar. >> the prexs was, that's the difference. he did lie under oath. a lot of things with michael cohen saying the president lied under testimony, that would be an impeachable offense.
he was asked where he lied. he said no. he lied to the american people. but bill clinton lied under oath. both of these things i wish we didn't have to talk about that. but one person was impeached. the difference is he lied blatant to the american people, not under oath? >> i wish it was the only time presidents lied, to the american people. we can go back to just about every single president that lie to the american people. that's not impeachable. when you lie under oath in a court of law, that is. i think you'll find a lot of republicans will have a big problem if trump is shown to have lied under oath. i think that will be a very different bar. >> i don't think you will. i think you'll final republicans finding a way to shift the goalpost. newt gingrich in a candid moment did not say he was worried about the president's testimony.
he did not say that he was worried about the president's behavior. given that he was engaged in some of the same behavior himself as was his successor. he said we're going to impeach the president because we can. because we have the power to. that's the difference between republicans and democrats. and there's a lot of republicans on the hill. lindsey graham comes to mind. who will have a hard time explaining how they were so critical from a moral basis with bill clinton. and how they give this president a pass. i'll argue, you know, bill clinton made a terrible mistake. i think it is debatable whether he committed perjury. i don't think he does. senator santorum thinks he did. but if you want to put up the moral character of this president against anyone, i think almost anyone will win that debate. >> all right. thank you very much. next, a knew book revealing
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tonight "the new york times" reporting that a new book reveals president trump wanted his daughter, ivanka, and her husband, out of the white house. trump reportedly telling the chief of staff at the time, john kelly, quote, get rid of my kids. get them back to new york. and that trump and kelly then agreed to make ivanka and jared's lives so difficult they'd be compelled to resign. this as ivanka trump struggles to balance being a senior advisor and a daughter. kate bennett is outfront. >> reporter: washington buzzing about a new book "kushner inc." and its focus on ivanka trump's unprecedented role as both daughter and influential advisor to the president. a murky area ivanka has had to define. >> people think that you're going to be part of the administration, ivanka. >> i'm -- you know, i'm going to be a daughter. >> reporter: the family
connection has led to complicated political issues. ward writes how ivanka defended her dad after the deadly charlottesville protests. trump saying, quote, there was blame on both sides. ivanka adamantly sticking up for her father. ward writes ivanka told white house economic advisor gary cohn who was rocked by trump's remarks and by ivanka's response, quote, my dad's not a racist. he didn't mean any of it. publicly she's played the role of defiant daughter, side stepping salacious headlines. >> do you believe your father's accusers? >> i think it's a pretty inappropriate question to ask a daughter if she believes the accusers of her father when he is affirmatively stated that there's no truth to it. >> saying privately she's able to voice her opinion. >> i am part of a staff. he's the president.
i'm part of a team. >> ivanka tasked with tackling policy issues, from family work leave funding to economic empowerment for women. trump in return heaping praise as both boss as father. sometimes with cringe worthy results. >> she's so good. she wanted to make the trip. she said, dad, can i go with you? she actually said, daddy, can i go with you? i like that. daddy, can i go with you? i said yes, you can. >> reporter: and just this week during a white house meeting. >> she's so formal. special person and she's worked so hard, as you all know. >> reporter: the book also taking a look at ivanka's west wing role. ward writes, citing a source at the state department, ivanka would request travel on air force planes. if the request was denied, ivanka and kushner would invite along a cabinet secretary, often steven mnuchin, in order to gain access. but is ivanka advisor, daughter
or perhaps the answer is both? the result, in washington more scrutinized than perhaps any other presidential family member in modern history. >> there is a level of viciousness that i was not expecting. but this isn't supposed to be easy. >> now, kushner's lawyer's spokesman tells cnn, quote, it seems she, vicki ward, has written a book of fiction rather than any serious attempt to get the facts. correcting everything wrong would take too long and be pointless. so, erin, definitely pushback from the kushner and ivanka trump camp, but we haven't heard from the two themselves. the book is out next week. >> all right, thank you very much. a lot of people will wanting to read that one. next, jeanne moos on the great divide over how mitt romney blew out the candles on his birthday cake. g ing. -jamie, this is your house? -i know, it's not much, but it's home. right, kids? -kids? -papa, papa! -[ laughs ]
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it's a blowout for mitt romney's birthday. here's jeanne. ♪ happy birthday to you >> reporter: when mitt romney tweeted out a video of his staff presenting him on his 72nd birthday with a cake made out of his favorite snack, twinkies, you'd think that twinkies would be the story. >> holy cow! >> but nope. what everybody else was saying holy cow about was this. >> look at this. >> he picked up every individual candle and blew it out. "the daily show" called him an incredibly life-like mitt bot. >> are you kidding? >> someone tweeted you don't get a wish for each one, buddy. oh, yeah? >> these are all wishes i'm getting. >> it's true most big-time politicians try to blow out their candles all at once. the queen of denmark foiled
george w. bush with too many candles. and hillary clinton needed help from bill. the icing on the cake was the head caress. but mitt does things differently. after all, this is a guy who tried to iron or steam his shirt while wearing it. >> ouch. >> life isn't fair. it's your birthday, you post a nice little video moment to your social media and you get burned by your own candles. but senator romney takes the cake for consideration. he told tmz i have a bit of a cold and i didn't want to spray my germs all over the twinkies for everybody else to eat. at least one study has shown blowing out candles can increase cake bacteria by 1400%. so to the charge that mitt romney blows out birthday candles like a serial killer, we say mitt didn't blow it, it's flu season and blowing out candles is basically sneezing on the cake. >> holy, cow!
>> jeanne moos, cnn. new york. >> i know it really isn't fair, is it, mitt romney? but you know, i've got to say, though, i think he was just being polite. i would have appreciated the same kind of courtesy. gosh, a guy with the flu. thanks for joining us. anderson starts now. good evening. we have a big night of breaking news, whether it's famous actors in court accused of helping cheat their kids' way into elite colleges or the federal government refusing to ground the world's best-selling airliner, even though the rest of the world now is. we'll have that and more in the hour ahead. we begin, though, keeping them honest with president trump. he intended to lead the story by saying he'd gone the entire day without tweeting once about the russia investigation or any other of the other half dozen inquiries under way into virtually everything he's touched. that's what we were going to do and then he tweeted just after 6:00 p.m. eastern. quoting the president, new york state and its governor, andrew