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removing him from the priesthood. ♪ top of the hour here. it is a busy one. >> breaking news right now in washington, the first person to be indicted by the special counsel is in his second and final sentencing hearing. paul manafort, the former chairman of the trump campaign, could get as much as ten years in prison for conspireing against the united states and conspireing to tamper with witnesses. >> we're getting a lot of new information out of the courtroom as proceedings are underway right now. we've been hearing some interesting statements and meaningful statements from the judge in the last few minutes. tell us what you're hearing.
>> reporter: there's a lot going on inside court right now. the prosecutors have spoken, the judge has talked and manafort's attorneys have talked. they're arguing obviously that manafort should get some sort of credit for pleading guilty, for admitting that he did what he did. obviously there are issues because he lied during his cooperation agreement. what we're learning from our reporters in court is that the judge has said that manafort has met his burden and has given him some credit for pleading and giving swae ining sworn admissi court. this is for his pleading guilty. how will all this wind up in the end? we still don't know but obviously the fact that the judge here is saying i'm going to give you some credit for this could help in lightening the sentence that paul manafort will eventually get here. >> reporter: that's really been a key focus, this idea of whether he has accepted personal responsibility.
mueller's prosecutor andrew wiseman has argued that know he has accepted responsibility, he has lied, also emphasizing that even though manafort argued he was not the leader of the conspiracy, that in fact he was. so you're hearing from both defense and prosecutors in this case. just to paint a picture of what's going on inside, paul manafort arrived no ed today in wheelchair. he was wearing a suit unlike last week when we saw him in prison scrubs. our reporter inside said he looks thinner and he looks gray. >> much different view from many folks who have not seen paul manafort publicly. he wears these nice suits, was always clean cut, wore nice ties. he is wearing a suit today and a purple tie. but she did notice how thin he looked and how gray his hair was. so we're getting some color.
the prosecutor was talking, andrew weissman was laying out their argument. he just looked straight. he didn't look at the prosecutor. paul manafort did not look at the prosecutor as he was speaking, essentially saying paul manafort has lied and the judge should take that into consideration. >> reporter: this is someone who was the trump campaign chairman. and just to think about the fall from grace from when he was the campaign chairman to now, as he faces his final sentencing this really caps it all off today. the judge has a maximum of ten years she can sentence him to. will she stack on any years to the four years he's already been given or will they run concurre concurre concurrent. >> reporter: this is perhaps the last big argument that we're going to see from the special counsel's office about their case, about this two-year
investigation. this is the last time that we're going to hear them speak in court. what this means for them, keep in mind that paul manafort was the center, was really the center of this investigation for quite some time. this is now coming to an end. hearing from prosecutors in court, you can sense they know the meaning of this and what this means for them and really for this entire investigation now as it comes to an end. >> o >> reporter: our producer inside said andrew weissman seemed a little bit nervous. this is one of the most high profile investigations of the mueller probe. manafort's attorneys have argued these charges have nothing to do with russian cluollusion. we'll probably hear more of the same today. >> of course mueller's team also wants to sentence michael flynn. today's judge in this sentencing
amy berman jackson, very different from ts ellis. she did say at the outset here that this is not a revision of what another court did. clearly that's pointing to the pretty low sentence that ellis handed down last week. what do you expect today for p manafort? this is germane to what you're answering. i'm hearing in my ear that the judge is going to let both sides argue before her right now what they think the sentence should be. >> that's right. the judge goes through the guidelines and makes the formal calculation the court will be using. then she lets each side speak to what the sentence ought to be and why. then she will turn to the defendant himself and ask him whether he wants to address the court. i expect he will. defendants almost always do.
he'll probably talk about how hard this has all been on him and his family and ask for a low sentence. that's the procedure the judge will go through. she's moving quickly. i think she's a bit more no nonsense than we saw last week. but it sound like she's going through her paces and then she'll make her decision. it's a holistic exercise in a lot of ways. she has to pick a number that she feels comports with everything she's heard in the case. >> this brings up the question of cooperating some of the time or telling the truth some of the time. with michael cohen for instance in new york, prosecutors here were brutal on him. he cooperated on some things but didn't on others. they said not good enough. with paul manafort, does the
court view partial cooperation as at all positive, or do they demand you've got to be an open book here and cooperating all the time? >> the judges constitute a separate branch of government in terms of this. technically they don't work with the prosecutors. they can take into consideration cooperation, but ultimately of course it's up to the judge. prosecutors here have said that manafort lied to them after he agreed to cooperate with them which is really astounding. you don't plead guilty to a crime and then say i'll cooperate and then go in and tell lies. we have to also remember that this is the case where manafort allegedly threatened a witness or tried to tamper with a witness. that's why he lost his bail. he's engaged in some activities with respect to this case that he did not engage in allegedly before ellis. so if she wants to go hard on
him, she's got a lot of justification for it. i think there will be a concurrent sentence handed down here but i think it will be a sentence that will add to the time he's doing. if she gives him six years to run concurrent with ellis's sentence, he serves an extra two years. i think that's probably where you'll see this sentence fall. however, she could sentence him to ten years as well. >> we understand that there are more details coming from inside that courtroom and keep in mind you have the judge speaking, you have the lawyers for both prosecution and defense speaking. what's the latest? >> reporter: we're hearing from judge jackson and how she views paul manafort pleaing guilty. and basically she in one sense gave paul manafort a small
reprieve saying he met his burden. she gives him credit for pleading guilty, but she also made clear that is not an example of his character. determination that he accepted responsibility isn't a judgment of character, she says. that will come later today during the hearing. she said his acceptance of responsibility per her determination so far is not in a more existential and personal sense. so basically she is saying here that, yes, he did accept responsibility by pleading guilty in the legal sense but that is not a reflection of his character, that will be visited later in the hear iing. >> reporter: that's going to probably be a big factor in her determination. usually this is something that judges take into consideration because the whole point of pleading guilty is so you can get less prison time. that is something she's going to
have to consider. but it's his activity after he pleaded guilty that's something very different in this case than in most cases because of the lying to the fbi agents and the grand jury. >> reporter: she's saying the lying, the witness tampering, that has undercut you pleading guilty. we'll keep you posted on any developments on that front. >> dana bash, to you on the politics of all of it. we all remember what the president said after paul manafort after these charges came down. sarah sanders yesterday at the white house when asked about any potential pardon said he'll make a decision when he's ready. what are you hearing about the white house stance on all of this? >> yeah. that's not a no at all and that's note worthy, as is the continued refrain from rudy giuliani and other members of the president's legal team which
giuliani even told me again last night that they have said repeatedly to all of these lawyers of all of these characters, we're not discussing a pardon yet. we're not talking about it now. that's a very important thing to remember here. i mentioned earlier that it was certainly not an accident that manafort's attorney came outside the courthouse last week after that 47-month sentence and made crystal clear that paul manafort was not found guilty of nor is he going to jail for collusion with russians. >> we're getting new details. it's happening as we speak from inside the courtroom. >> reporter: so prosecutors are continuing to talk. andrew weissman who's been the lead prosecutor on the paul manafort case is explaining to
the judge his argument on the sentence. just a couple of things i want to highlight that he has so far told the judge. he's saying that, quote, mr. manafort committed crimes that undermined our political process. they're talking about his work overseas, obviously some of the things he did here in the u.s. so they are highlighting going through how he was making his money. but i think it was important to highlight here how the special counsel view mr. manafort and they are describing he committed crimes that undermines our political process. >> reporter: they also said that manafort accepted money from oleg deripaska. they made a point of saying this is someone who illegally accepted money from this russian oligarch and the way he laundered money, his conspiracy
against the u.s., the prosecutorsare arguing undermines the political process. the prosecutors are arguing that manafort and some of his alleged lies and aspects of the case goes to the heart of the special counsel's investigation. the judge agreed with him on that. >> reporter: the prosecutors are arguing that manafort had to make a choice. he decided to represent foreign governments instead of work for the u.s. government. they're saying that secrecy was integral for mr. manafort, wanted to do for ukraine. this is going his work for the ukrainian government obviously on behalf of the russians. so they're going through it all. they're laying out -- i think this is going to be really their last chance. this is for the special
counsel's office to tell the public what they've been doing these last few years and last year and a half, two years of this investigation. they're laying it out here. they're explaining exactly what they believe paul manafort was involved in. >> reporter: last week was a blow in many ways to the special counsel with the judge sentencing manafort to around four years, much less than the 25 years that the special counsel had suggested. so this really is a last ditch effort for the special counsel to make its case against paul manafort, this high profile investigation that's been nearly two years under mueller. >> folk wils will often say thi case nhad nothing to do with anything russian related. paul manafort was getting millions of dollars for the pro russian government lobbying in d.c. to justify the jailing of a political opponent in ukraine, justifying that to u.s. lawmakers. these are not small things. they're not petty crimes.
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is facing his second court sentencing. at any moment the federal judge will hand down her sentence for him, which could be up to ten years in prison. a group of republican senators are making a last ditch effort to save the president from an embarrassing defeat in the senate over his wall. their idea, support the president on declaring a national emergency right now only if he agrees to support a bill that would curtail the president's power to declare future national emergencies and be checked by congress. with me now is republican congressman tom reed from new york. thank you for being here. on the senate side it is mike lee of utah who has proposed this measure. let me read you what he wrote last night. quote, if we don't want our president acting like a king, we need to start taking back the legislative powers that allow him to do so. do you share his concern? >> absolutely do. that's why we dropped this legislation in the house to recognize this is an
institutional problem with congress. congress has given that authority away to the president. now the president even under the proposed reform that is the senator and i are looking to do still has the ability to act in emergency action but it forces congress to have to make a determination in each and every one of those declarations going forward. >> then why did you just recently vote against legislation to block the president from dechalaring this national emergency? >> i agree there's a national emergency at our border. in future declarations i am going to agree or disagree with that declaration by the president. it gets caught up in politics because they pick and choose in congress when they weigh in on the national emergency act. >> if you think it is a national emergency, then the legislation that you proposed in the house that would allow congress to check the president in that
60-day window wouldn't apply. it seems like you're trying to have it both ways. >> that's false because we would be able to determine whether that emergency is truly an emergency and would be required to make an inquiry. we have emergency declarations on the books from 30 years ago. that is not the way to have emergencies dealt with in america. the president is going to have to act in emergencies, act at the border but congress has to agree with that and if not that declaration ceases and that authority ends. if we do agree as part of congress with the president, then that emergency declaration goes forward for a limited period of time. >> do you agree with senator mike lee that the president is, quote, acting like a king? >> i believe any president that is unchecked is using authority that is way beyond. >> is that a yes then in this situation where that legislation isn't in place to check the
president on this one? >> i think any president would be using that authority and has used that authority way to beyond the checks and balances of the constitution. we have an institutional problem in congress and congress has delegated that authority away to the president. we need to claw that back. >> let's talk about the budget. some bullet points from the trump 2020 budget proposal. it shows where the priorities of the administration are. you've got this $8.6 billion request on the wall, you've got a 5% increase in defense spending but big cuts to medicare and medicaid. the president said i was the first gop candidate who stated there would be no cuts to medicare and medicaid. did he mislead the american people? >> no. what the budget is proposing is
getting costs under control in medical medicare and medicaid. >> i totally think this has to be a conversation. i think every american does. they see what's going on with our out of control debt and deficits. however, when you look at this budget, even the very bipartisan committee for a responsible budget says this trump 2020 budget cuts medicare spending by $575 because of the way it goes into those block grants for the states. do you support those cuts? >> yeah because i'm about reforming medicare. i think we have to get medicare reformed in order to safe it and get health care costs down. how they're doing those cuts is reigning in costs. think about how d.c. operates. when you reign in health care costs under medicare, people
label that a cut in medicare. >> i know what you're talking about. but this is a cut. this is not me. this is the committee for responsible federal budget, bipartisan again, looking at how this would work with the increase in health care costs that go up year by year over the next decade, they say this would amount to a $575 billion cut. the reason i ask you is because back in 2014 under the obama administration you called obamacare's $300 billion cut to medicare advantage, quote, the white house cuts are, quote, unfair and further jeopardize access. i'm wondering if you feel the same this time around? >> i do feel the same in regards to reforming, reducing costs in medicare, getting those -- if you want to call them cuts, we'll call them cuts but from my perspective it's about delivering a new system under medicare that's going to cut costs.
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making their case. let's go outside the federal courthouse in d.c. what are you hearing? >> reporter: the prosecutors just wrapped their arguments and andrew weissman, the lead prosecutor in this case talked about character. he said that paul manafort's actions after he pleaded guilty are not reflective of someone who learned a lesson, someone with remorse or a moral compass. he went onto say paul manafort looked at the agents in the eye and lied to them. he said paul manafort lied to the grand jurors in this case. and he laid this out very slowly to make the case to the judge that this isn't just about the two conspiracy charges he pleaded guilty to. this is about his actions after and how that is a reflection that he is not remorseful. >> what he said is that the
conduct that manafort engaged in was criminal contact that goes to the heart of the american justice system. this has a lot to do with the witness tampering charges. this is something that the facebook and judges treat very seriously and where perhaps manafort could face his biggest sentence on. the other thing we just learned is that paul manafort is going to speak. the difference this time when we didn't see remorse from him when he spoke last week, this time his attorney is saying he is going to tell the judge, he is going to tell her how sorry he is for the crimes that he committed. so a very different take here, it seems, from the paul manafort team. >> reporter: that's really interesting. inside the courtroom we're told they he is just looking straight ahead. he is not looking at any particular person. he is expected to show remorse,
notable because he didn't last week. the judge pointed that out that he did not apologize specifically for his actions. it is something that could work in his favor if he does apologize today and show remorse. >> this has been a big argument that the defense has been trying to make in court filings and some of the secret proceedings, is that the u.s. government knew for years that paul manafort was engaged in this kind of activity. yet they didn't see anything wrong. that is what's going on now. his attorneys are making that argument. the judge wants to pursue that. she's asking more questions about. >> the sentence could come down any moment. we're going to stay with our team there as we watch. how tdoes a judge weigh a statement of apology against the
actions, lying, witness tampering, et cetera? >> why not take a shot at it, try to get the judge to give you a little bit of time off usually you do see these very heart felt expressions of remorse and i don't think they move the needle vrch wi very often with the judge because the judge knows they're going to say what they're trying to say. after the plea, we have evidence of what he did after he had supposedly accepted responsibility. >> the late plea. he did not plead guilty at the outset of all of this. talk to us about what history teaches us about judge jackson here and the level to which she holds public officials. >> she has a very interesting history. she's a harvard undergrad, harvard law graduate. >> total under achiever. >> and she wasn't using the
services of that guy in sacramento. in any event, she also represented politicians who were charged with political crimes as a defense attorney. and on the bench she had the case involving jessie jackson jr. when he was charged with misuse of campaign funds. she was pretty tough on him. she sentenced him to 30 months in prison. and i think one of the observations in court at the time was that she held people who hold public office to a higher standard. >> i have to jump in here because manafort's lawyers just said that officials at the highest levels of government knew about his activities. >> who are they referring to there? we've had a lot of references in prior court filings to coconspirator one which have included the president himself. >> i don't think he's talking about the president himself. i think this is a reference to the fact that the charges against him, lobbying without
registering for a foreign entity are rarely brought against people in the united states and he may be saying everybody in government knew what was going on. he's been singled out because of his affiliation with trump, i'm sure that's what the argument means. >> shimon, just bring you back in on this part. >> yeah. this has to do with paul manafort's meetings with state department officials or officials at the embassy in kiev. the whole point of this argument has been from the defense team has been that, look, for years u.s. officials in the highest level, whether it's intelligence officials, other officials, knew what paul manafort was doing. they knew about his work in kiev, they knew about his work in the ukraine. and no one ever really raised any issue with it until the special counsel is formed. and when the special counsel is
formed, all of a sudden this becomes a criminal investigation. they have issues with the work that he's been doing. and some have argued perhaps maybe that the u.s. government in these meetings at the u.s. embassy in kiev were getting intelligence off of paul manafort. so for years no one had an issue with this, with the work that he was doing, people at the fbi, people at the cia and perhaps other places knew this was going on, knew this work was taking place. but yet no one ever thought to bring charges. the special counsel's office, andrew weissman has argued, well, not so, we were investigating this, this was a doj investigation but no one really moved to bring charges until the special counsel's office and the mueller team was put together. >> which has raised this argument on both sides where manafort's lawyers have said the only reason he's being charged
now is because he was the trump campaign chairman. but then of course mueller's prosecutors argue it shows how brazen he was to have been committing these crimes and then take on this role that would put him in the spotlight as the trump campaign chairman. we will see today how the judge looks at all of this. >> we now he judge ellis looked at this. he said the only reason you're going against paul manafort is to get him to cooperate against trump and other people. there has been that feeling that one of the reasons they brought charges was to put pressure on paul manafort. his business partner and the cochairman of the campaign rick gates pleaded guilty and has had a cooperation agreement. it's no secret that the special counsel's office wanted paul manafort to cooperate from the beginning. >> this really is the last shot for the special counsel's office
to make the case about manafort that, no, we didn't just go after him because he was the trump campaign chairman, especially in the face of him being sentenced to four years last week, which was much less than what they had proposed to the judge of 25 years. >> avoiding taxes is tastealing with the government. it's dismissed as this petty crime but he did it for a long time. i imagine the judge is going to keep that in mind. >> what do you make of all this, dana? >> well r, shimon makes an important point, that wait a minute, people at the highest levels of the government knew realtime that he was meeting with ukrainian officials and so forth. but that doesn't account for the fact that that continued when he was not just paul manafort, a
lobbyist, paul manafort, a business guy, but paul manafort, the chairman of the campaign of the republican nominee for president of the united states. and not just that, that according to the mueller team and court documents that we have seen, manafort met with this gentleman kilimnik and gave him polling data from the trump campaign. now, whether or not that's collusion or not, you know, that's for a separate conversation. but the point is that it continued while he was in the midst of a very important political role. maybe he did it because he was trying to show these people that he's worth the money they're giving him for other business, that he's a player, that he's still in the game and not because they were trading information about the campaign in order to affect the campaign. but it's still not okay and that is an important aspect of this
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five pilots in the u.s. filed complaints about the boeing 737 max 8 in the last months. but they are still flying in the u.s. >> despite 44 countries and 26 airlines around the world grounding the aircraft. the faa says there's no basis to ground these planes. marty savage joins us from the atlanta airport. what are you learning this morning and why the faa are not shifting their position here? >> reporter: a couple of things. when it comes to the flying public, there are people who are concerned about the kind of aircraft they're flying on these days. but when you tell them that five pilots in the u.s. have come forward and have expressed their concerns about the aircraft or have had control problems themselves, that really catches the attention of the flying public, because they know those are the people who are actually at the controls. much of the public is not aware
there is this kind of self-reporting hotline that the federal government has for commercial airline pilots where they can report issues with aircraft or their work circumstance. when they've now heard that five pilots have come forward and made complaints that they were fighting with the aircraft, that the aircraft did a quick nose down shortly after they put on the automatic pilot, that sounds like the sort of things we've been hearing in the initial phases of the investigation of both of these fatal crashes overseas. the faa says it's still safe. we have breaking news coming out of the courthouse in washington, d.c. that is that paul manafort has begun speaking before the judge amy berman jackson who will issue a sentence to him. we have our team outside the courthouse. pamela, shimon, we have one of our colleagues inside the room.
do we have any sense of what manafort has said so far? >> reporter: he is speaking right now. we're seeing a very different take here from paul manafort. he is seated in his wheelchair and he's addressing what happened last week. he says my previous allocution, i told judge ellis i was ashamed of my conduct. apparently he said it was not at that time clear what was in my heart. i am sorry for what i have done, is what he's now saying to the judge. he says let me be very clear, i accept the responsibility for the acts that caused me to be here today. while i cannot undo the past, i can assure the future will be very different. and then he says that i'm upset with myself for these personal failures. he mentions being in solitary confinement for nine months and he says my behavior in the
future will be very different. i have already begun to change. >> reporter: he's going to be 70 next month and the likelihood he would commit crimes once he is out of jail is very low, making the argument that he shouldn't receive a stiff sentence, that he has already learned his lesson and now manafort himself apologizing for the first time, a full throated apology in the courtroom in the wheelchair reading from this prepared statement saying, yes, i accept responsibility for my crimes. now we'll have to wait and see if the judge believes this is a genuine heart felt apology. >> reporter: a lot of people took issue, even the judge ellis said he did not see any remorse
from paul manafort. paul manafort spent a lot of time talking about how terrible his life has been since all of this happened but never really took responsibility, never apologized. we're seeing a very different take here now where he is apologizing. can't be any more simple here. he says i am sorry for what i have done. he's now talking about the time he spent in solitary confinement for the last nine months. >> reporter: his health has deteriorated. >> reporter: he's in a wheelchair. one of the things why he separated from the jail population is because of safety also. they've sort of kept him away from the general population. of course, rudy giuliani certainly has made an issue of him being in solitary confi confineme confineme confinement. >> reporter: he says he looks to his family and god's guiding hand to carry him forward. he says, i pledge to do all i can to accelerate the healing
process. then he says, you know, i will be 70 years old in a few weeks. his wife is 66. he is the primary caregiver. he says please let me and my wife be together. we have jennifer rogers here. you spent a lot of time in the courtroom. he's there trying to be contrite in a way that he was not in his last court appearance a week ago. does that difference factor into the judge's decision? >> it might a little bit. i think part of what judge jackson is going to be thinking about is there was a lot of blowback after last week. a lot of penople were saying he didn't even express remorse. i think she's going to know that too. we'll have to see what she does with it, but i wouldn't expect a big move in the sentence based on that. >> i wonder if you think the way
he's performed in the last weeks has to do with the judge he's been in front of. judge ellis called out mueller's team and in part said this man is here in part because of his role in the campaign, yet there's not that direct line. >> judge ellis had to apologize for some of those courtroom comments because he called out the prosecutors. he later said i went too far. he was an active judge, one might say. >> crusty is often used to describe him. yeah, i think that's a great question, because manafort shows up, of course, in a prison jump suit and that sort of plays into ellis's position that he was being sort of tortured and misused by the prosecutors to get at trump. now, whether that was true or not, we have to hedge and say it's also possible they didn't get his suit to the jail for him to change into before he went into court. we don't know the back story. here of course he's in a suit,
he's looking better and he's apologetic to the judge. i think he's playing to the judge, but i also think he's playing to somebody else. he's playing to the president and the american public because he's hoping the president will pardon him. >> i totally agree with you, paul. this is about the court of public opinion, which influences the audience of one, president trump, as much as anything. last week was a big fail on paul manafort's part, the fact that it was all about how much of an inconvenience the crimes that he committed are on his life and on his family instead of i made a mistake. and yes, it was a different judge. today he is before a much tougher judge who has been tough on him, not just in other cases. very tough on him along the way. but this is his final chance to say things and get out there
with the megaphone that is this case and hope that it lands on the president's desk and hope that if he is remorseful then there won't be as much blow back. of course there will be blow back from a pardon but not as much if he at least says i made a mistake. >> he committed crimes after he plead guilty to crimes. we have to be clear here, this was not related to collusion, with conspiracy to interfere with the election but this was the man the president chose to be his campaign chairman who's going to serve many months in prison. >> no question. we're so caught up in the details of what we're waiting for. this is a very, very dramatic moment going on in that courtroom as we speak. but we can't lose sight of exactly that, jim. this is the president of the united states and this is the second time in two weeks that
his campaign chair is being sentenced in a federal court for crimes. >> yeah. >> the federal courthouse just down the street from the white house, we should note. >> they've made their cases, the defense, the prosecution, paul manafort making his plea for leniency to this judge. she will hand down her sentence eminently.
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. kate bolduan. here we go. right now is a key moment in the nearly two-year-long special counsel investigation. this is the moment that the man who was at one point in charge of donald trump's presidential campaign, the moment that he is facing his final sentence. paul manafort is before a judge in washington, d.c. right now. and he is facing a possible sentence of ten years in prison for conspiracy against the united states and also witness tampering. this is the second criminal case that manafort is being sentenced for in a matter of days, quite frankly. last week another judge sentenced him to 47 months in prison for bank and tax fraud. so this is the first person that robert mueller and his team indicted in the special counsel's russia investigation. it has been a winding road