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2020 news that's breaking as we speak. seconds ago former texas congressman beto o'rourke announced he is running for president. we have the video to prove it and we will show that to you in just moments. this is a highly anticipated moment partly because o'rourke electrified national grassroots support and broke fundraising records in his race for senate despite the fact that he lost that race. o'rourke has arrived in iowa overnight for a three-day campaign kickoff. he told vanity fair in a cover piece that he feels called to run adding, quote, man, i'm just born to be in it. >> we also have more breaking news this morning. a critical weather situation in the nation's midsection, a monster bomb cyclone which is as bad as it sounds, a powerful blizzard with hurricane-force winds left colorado with deadly whiteout conditions. look at that. other widespread power outages this morning. thousands of flights have been
canceled. how bad is it? ? one county alone, more than 1,000 drivers have been stranded in the driving snow. they are still doing rescues this morning. we will speak to someone involved in those rescues in just moments. first, though, the huge, breaking campaign news. beto o'rourke is in dramatically reshaping the race for president. we're live in iowa where beto o'rourke spent the night. layla. >> reporter: that's right. after four months of saying i'm thinking about this, this is something i'm considering for myself, my family, he's finally making it official, all anticipation coming to today where he releases this news with his wife amy. let me let you listen to a bit of it. >> amy and i are happy to share with you that i'm running to serve you as the next president of the united states of america. this is a defining moment of truth for this country and for every single one of us.
the challenges that we face right now, the interjected crisis in our economy, our democracy and our climate have never been greater and they will either consume you are or they will afford utz the greatest opportunity town leash the genius of the united states of america. in other words, this moment of peril produces perhaps the greatest moment of promise for this country and for everyone inside of it. >> so this announcement comes ahead of a three-day tour in iowa in the southeastern part of the state. as i talk to his staff, there certainly seems to be a focus on places where president obama won and then later president trump won kind of giving a thoihint t details about what his approach might be. i talked to him in the airport he's was coming into iowa and he was excited. he often says he wants to run
for something, not against something. you talk to a lot of democrats out there right now and they'll tell you that they are running against something. what's important to them is to get president trump out of the white house. so i asked him, can he take the same approach that he did in the midterm elections against senator ted cruz where he sort of became this rising star in the democratic party and apply that on a national level do that, to get the democratic nomination and beat president trump? he seems to think that he can. he is saying that is his goal and that he will take that approach where he didn't use pac money, where he didn't have polsters, it was a grassroots effort in the texas. will that work? we'll have to wait and see. when it comes to the issues in the week leading up to this he was e-mailing his supporters talking about immigration, the prohibition of marijuana, as well as the criminal justice system. last night when i talked to him he was focuseseded d on climatee
and i expect that will be part of his talks as he kicks off his campaign. >> joining us now we have alex burns, national political correspondent "the new york times." mj lee, john avlon, and joe lockhart, former clinton white house press secretary. joe, i want your strategic brain here. just moments ago beto has announced. how does this reshuffle the deck as we know it? >> i think gives someone who's not on the most progressive part of the democratic party, you know, out there with sanders and warren, someone more to the middle but with charisma and with a life story and creating excitement. so i think it balances out the race quite a bit. >> we're five minutes in now, 4:30 into the beto o'rourke era. alex burns, what do the other campaigns feel about this? how do they look upon beto o'rourke and who fears him the most? >> i think most of the them fear him quite a bit. i think that's common to most of the rest of the field. but talking to campaign
strategists over the last couple days, because they've been anticipating this would happen whether it's today or next week, it's the candidates who are banking on a mood of really generational change who feel the most nervous about this. if you're a kamala harris, a cory booker, it's a little counterintuitive if you're bernie sanders and you're counting on the yucker people who are rejecting the system as it is, beto is somewhat closer to the political middle from the is just something about the way he talks and his personality and his mindset about the system that easy pos a re that poses a real challenge to these others. a lot of young people who might have gone on line to contribute to somebody who they liked that that first debate that they hadn't seen may have their man now. >> there's something about him, according to vanity fair, not
everybody gets this treatment. he just announce and he's on the cover of vanity fair, that's rock star treatment. >> literally. >> and so what is it, mj, about him? >> the reason i'm just excited this morning as a political reporter with beto getting in, i feel like this is a turning point in the coverage of our 2020 campaign. we now have a full field with obviously the very obvious exception of joe biden and his decision. and for the people who are paid do this every day, and i'm talking about political reporters, people who work on campaigns, political analysts, i think he has been the single person that has been the most difficult to sort of handicap and predict what is going to happen when he gets in. now that he is in i think we are going to start to get those answers. can he have and recreate sort of the moment that he had in texas nationally? can he do the fund raising that did he in texas nationally? is he going to have a clear message? do we know what his policy positions are really going to
shape out to be, again, on a national stage? again, i'm just excited that we are going to start finding out the answers to some of these questions. >> some of what seemed to excite people in texas was the way he spoke, not necessarily what he was saying, but the way he spoke. there was a moment, and it had to do with the football players who were kneeling during the national anthem. and what he said about that went viral. let's play that for a moment. >> peaceful, nonviolent protests, including taking a knee at a football game to point out that black men, unarmed, black teenagers, unarmed, and black children, unarmed, are being killed at a frightening level right now, including by members of law enforcement, without accountability and without justice, that is why they are doing it. and i can think of nothing more american than to peacefully stand up or take a knee for your rights any time, anywhere, any
place. >> two things about that. he didn't put the music to that video. >> i was about to say have some know this shows you the kind of treatment he gets in general. it's the now this, we're going to make you viral moment, we'll put it to music, that's what people like. the flip side of that is where does he stand on all the issues that matter so much to democratic voters? do we really know? >> well, he certainly is a person that's been very open about his place and that's core to his appeal. it's the honesty, the passion, and inspiration and he's not afraid of talking policy. that position you just showed wasn't the easy position for someone to take running for senate in texas. he did it in an inspirational way and wrapped it up this an american traditional standard, that message that can still resonate with the red state audience, that's what i think made him such an inspirational figure. and the fact that he lost, he raised an unprecedented amount of money, and that's a gauge for how much he was able continue to spire people. and whether that juggernaut can
go on is the question. historically democrats have gone for the hot hand, they don't go for next in line. that's why it will be fascinating to see a biden/beto dichotomy. he's been the hot hand. but among the criticism he's going to get is this vanity fair treatment. this is the largest sort of announcement being held in check by vanity fair since caitlyn jenner. and here he's going to -- no one gets that. and he's got to also be very careful to put the folks on the we, not the me, because that's an achilles heel. >> i hear him doing that. it sounds to me that he's very conscious of that. he starts with why i want to do it and for us, and for we. >> he catches himself. >> iread i'm reading it in prin. does this change joe biden's calculus? >> absolutely not. biden is in and he's looking for the right way and time. i go back to my old boss, bill clinton as a great political mind. he says a couple things, which is that the optimist generally
wins. i think beto pace of passes tha. second question is is it about me or is it about them? i read the vanity fair story this morning, there was a lot about me and why i want to do this and not a lot about why i want to get -- what i'm going to do for the people. the last thing i'd say is, you know, politics is an often where you're defined by who you're up against. he was up against ted cruz, one of the most despised politicians on both sides of the aisle in the united states. he's now going to be compared with cory booker, kamala harris, bernie sanders, elizabeth warren. it's a harder thing. i'm not saying that he doesn't come in here strong, but the thing that really struck me about the vanity fair, it could just be the way that vanity fair wanted to cover the story, it was all about him. and i think that doesn't translate as well when you're truthing arou trudging around the fields of iowa and in new hampshire. >> i want to show you iowa that
will vote in the caucus there's. you can see him at 5%. that's below where he was in december, january. there's been some slippage. that might be because it took him a while to get into the race. the other key thing, and joe brought up cory booker and kamala harris, mj, is that this is seen as a moment by somewhere democrats want to nominate a woman or minority. he is neath her of those things. he's a white male and he's consuccess sious of that. he said if i were to run i think it's so important that those would cox prize my team looked like this country. if i were to run, if i were to win, that my administration looks like this country. bibut i totally understand people who will make a decision based on the fact that every one of our presidents has been a white man and they want something different for this country. i think that's a very legitimate basis to make a decision. >> i thought that was an interesting way of acknowledging what he is up against. joe have as you were saying, the biggest difference right now
between his senate race and what he's attempting to do now is that he's not just running against one person and that one person also is not another white male. the fact that there are the kamala harriss, the cory bookers of the world means that these people in iowa and all the other voting states have a choice which they're looking at the field and deciding who do i want to be the next president? and i also think that his iowa schedule for the next few days, it's pretty interesting and potentially telling about the kind of model that he might be using in his texas race for his presidential -- >> what's he doing? >> he's doing a lot of smaller retail stops. we don't know of big rallies and big organizing events. and that's fine and especially in iowa the retail is so, so important. but the question is, can he do what he plans do it looks like in iowa across the stage nationally, right? one quote that stood out to me from the article, i don't have a team counting delegates. that's fine right now, but what
does that mean? alex, you can -- >> but that's also part of the whole thing from his senate race. i'm not a politician. you're a politician. you did the vanity fair profile. you may not have a polster defined, but you've got a data team, don't tell me you don't have a delegate strategy even if you don't have somebody that's director of delegate operations yet in the is one of these things that i think as mj was saying at the beginning is really going to be put to the test at this national stage, i sort of just walked in uh at road with my beat-up pickup and my dog image is going to be put to the test with other candidates that have deeply authentic stories of their own. and the strength of that, the moment that we saw in that now this clip, i wonder how much credit you get as a white guy for talking articulately about black football players dealing in a race where you have
multiple african-americans running on race reform. >> hasn't ever democrat acknowledged that the ticket, when it finally happens, will include a woman and/or a person of color? >> bernie sanders came out and said that he thinks people need to be judged on the basis of their ideas and not just -- >> well. >> not their age, not their gender. >> sure. bringing the berlington to the national race. i think part of what is inspiring folks about beto, he did inspire people, is that punk rock politics ethos. and we will see how it translates. but that authenticity is his greatest strength. in the profile he's comparing this race to lord of the rings and "star wars," the generational struggles. and if he can keep that narrative and if he can keep that authenticity, he will continue to inspire people in a way than ore politicians try and fail. >> we shall see. we're 14 minutes in. thank you guys very much. we have another big breaking story.
colorado is reeling from this ferocious bomb cyclone as it's called, that's an actual meteorological term. hurricane-force winds and white jous conditions, it makes driving virtually impossible, also deadly. rescues still under way at this hour with hundreds of motorists stranded from last night. what's the situation, scott? >> reporter: hey, alisyn, on any given morning you would see a steady stream of headlights and taillights down there because it's the main corridor. it's shut down for a 30-mile stretch south of denver. it's also closed down north of the city as well. this storm brought nearly four feet of snow to one town in southern colorado, the biggest cities, though, luckily saw less than a foot. but that snow combined with hurricane-forced winds, it can pile up in a hurry and it did yesterday into drifts like this one and it caused all kinds of problems here in colorado and really across the west.
a bomb cyclone stranding over a thousand drivers throughout colorado leading to a 100 car pileup on interstate 25. an el paso county spokesman telling cnn we are in full sooifg lives mode as they were forced to wait for hours in the bitter cold. colorado state patrol corporal daniel groves was killed after being hit by a vehicle while helping a stranded driver. state's governor declaring a state of emergency as some areas got slammed with as much as 20 inches of snow. in colorado springs, this park blanketed in snow in just four hours. firefighters even having to dig out police vehicles. >> we drove here from breckenridge to the denver airport and it was horrible. there were roads closed and all kinds -- i'm surprised we got here. >> low visibility and snow-covered runways causing major delays and thousands of
cancellations at the colorado's airports. >> i sat on the tarmac for about three hours, little over three hours. it was pretty difficult, petty difficult and the conditions began getting worse. >> reporter: weather watches and warnings span around 1.5 million swear square miles across the central u.s. stretching from canada to the mexico can border. the ferocious storm system unleashing winds up to 100 miles per hour, on par with a category two hurricane. in texas, gusts tearing apart these mobile homes near dallas, knocking semitrucks over on to their side, and flipping small airplanes like this one upside down. the wind also contributing to this 26-car train derailment in until. now last night the denver airport passed out blankets to the many stranded travelers who were stuck there last night. now most of the runways are open so more and more flights should start getting out as the day stretches on. most schools still closed down
today. businesses, though, and the government will get open again, though, as this storm moves off to the east bringing with it potentially damaging winds and even tornado warnings from the great lakes all the way down to the south, john. >> all right. scott mcclain for us in lon tree, colorado. thank you very much. joining me now by phone is the spokesperson for the el paso county sheriff's office in colorado springs. thank you so much for being with us. you're still rescuing people. give us the status. >> well right now we still have about 250 open calls that we need to respond to. not sure if the vehicles are occupied or not as we can't get a hold of those individuals by cell phone. and of those 250, we've got about 20 medical calls that will take priority. >> how long, by and large, have people been stuck in their vehicles on these roads? >> well, i will tell you as of 11:00 last night, we still had
1100 people stranded who had been there anywhere from an hour to seven hours. so we're looking at a significant amount of time that individuals have been stranded, especially those with medical conditions. >> seven hours stuck in your car unable to move. how bad was this, as someone who went through it? >> you know, i'll tell you it has crippled el paso county. many of our main roads have been closed down. we've been able to clear the vehicles off some of those, but there's still a couple of highways, highway 24, 94, that we're currently working on right now getting the vehicles off the road, getting the people rescued so that the -- when the plows come through now that the wind has died down and the snow has stopped we're able to get those clear. >> why were people even out there driving in this kind of situation? >> you know, that was a big question of the day. i think it was -- it was kind of twofold. i think it was people who originally went to work.
the storm hit hard, it hit fast, so we went from rain literally rain to blizzard conditions within minutes. and so people stuck in their commute back home. and then individuals who think they're experienced colorado drivers and that they'll be able to make their way through. i think it was a combination of factors. >> you said there are some severe medical conditions that you've seen. what are people suffering from for the most part? >> we've had a variety of calls. we have diabetic individuals, people with children, we've had a pregnant woman. so just a range of different medical issues. >> and people that are being rude, being brought to shelters, is there a shelter situation going on? >> yes, i believe there are a number -- almost 20 shelters that have been set in place. so we will get those individuals to the closest place. and if that's their home, then that is where we will take them. >> all right. we're going to let you get back to work, jacquelyn kirby, with
some 250 outstanding rescues, perhaps as many of that still needing to take place. so thank you so much for giving us the latest there. really appreciate it. >> thank you for your time. all right, john, did the president try to meddle in the federal investigation into michael cohen and did his acting attorney general lie to congress about this? the stories that changed overnight. we have the details next. live from the starlite lounge. ♪ one plus one equals too little too late ♪ ♪ a sock-a-bam-boom ♪ who's in the room? ♪ love is dangerous ♪ but driving safe means you pay less ♪ ♪ switch and save ♪ yes, ma'am excuse me, miss. ♪ does this heart belong to you? ♪ ♪ would you like it anyway? [ scatting ]
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house judiciary chairman jerry nadler says former acting attorney general matthew whitakers that changed his tune about conversations that he had with president trump concerning michael cohen. he also said whitaker acknowledged it with his staff. joining us we have the former assistant to the u.s. attorney general and a cnn legal analyst. this is a case of, matthew whitaker, where people in the room heard different things. so let's remind everybody what matthew whitaker said to the house judiciary committee just on february 8th about any conversations that he would have had with president trump. so let's start there. listen to this.
>> did the president lash out at you after michael cohen's guilty plea for lying to congress about a trump organization project to build a tower in moscow? >> the president specifically tweeted that he had not lashed out. >> i'm asking you, mr. whitaker, did the president lash out at you? not asking what he tweeted. i zrient lot have a lot of comp the veracity of his tweets. >> congressman, that's based on an unsubstantiated -- >> sir, answer the question, yes or no, did the president lash out at you about mr. cohen's guilty plea? >> no, he did not. >> okay. now let's listen to what jerry nadler said yesterday about what he heard behind closed doors in a much smaller meeting. >> unlike in the hearing room mr. whitaker did not deny that the president called him to discuss michael cohen -- the
michael cohen case and personnel decisions in the southern district. >> laura, explain the significance. >> okay. so, as you said, alisyn, this is really the tale two of whitakers. on the one hand you have chairman nadler saying he didn't deny it? and why does this matter in the first place? whitaker is gone. it matters because our reporting and the follow-up story in the "new york times" about the president calling whitaker trying to make sure his guy, the u.s. attorney there in the southern district of new york, jeffrey berman was put back on the case and unrecused from it. it all goes to the question of whether the president is trying to put his them on the scale of investigations where he is directly implicated 'in the this cohen investigation it was all about the hush money payments to women before the election and so the questions that both our reporting and "the new york times" were trying to explore there is what were the conversations between whitaker and the president on all of this? now, nadler's saying he doesn't deny these conversations
happened. in fact, he also admits that he had discussions with his staff about the scope of the investigation in the southern district of new york. he thought there were pieces of it that were, quote, speeshous, but oth the other hand, you have the top republican saying, no, no, that's not what happened at all and down-playing saying there's no evidence at all that he discussed the cohen case. so it's who do you believe here? >> and it matters because of our reporting that as recently as december the president was trying to get involved and lean in on the investigation into michael cohen. and that's remarkable. this is something that happened not long ago, carrie cordero. so i'm not sure this clears it up, but it's still significant, yes? >> it doesn't clear it up. and that's a real problem. you know, i thought from the beginning that the president's intent in putting matthew whitaker in the position of acting attorney general was because he thought he would have
a loyalist. and matthew whitaker was not senate confirmed, there were other people who should have been in that position. however, chairman nadler really needs to have a transcript of this type of interview and apparently i read cnn's reporting several times that he said, he said, they said, according to what chairman nadler says, what collins says, representative collins says, what the anonymous republican staffers who were in this interview with what matthew whitaker said, they all are saying something different. so if the judiciary committee intends to be conducting a serious investigation, they need to have a transcript of this type of meeting so that observers can really understand. and the members can really know what transpired. because it doesn't sound to me like this meeting clarified anything. >> let's move on to this intermediary. robert costello who was going between rudy giuliani and
michael cohen. this was after michael cohen's office and hotel were raided. michael cohen was clearly very nervous about whether or not president trump would have his back and what he was going to be facing. he got this e-mail, cnn has obtained it, which is basically a very comforting bedtime message to michael cohen from this intermediary. sleep well tonight. you have friends in high places. spoke with rudy. very, very positive. you are loved. wow. that's a -- that's a really intimate little bedtime message there, laura. how do you hear it? >> you know, i really look at this as a matter of who has the most to lose here. cohen clearly wants to show that a pardon was dangle. he has a lot on the line here for his credibility. he's already gone in front of committee and said that he never asked for and he never had any intent to accept a pardon. but clearly these e-mails are being put out to show that there was at least an offer and a
reassurance if you stick by us we'll have your back. and that's sort of the insinuation through these e-mails. but the problem i think for cohen is that when he testified he didn't sort of lay out the timing in terms of the conversations that were going on between lawyers whether or not he was involved, lawyers on his behalf in seeking out a pardon while there was still a joint defense agreement. so there's a question of timing that i think is important for him. >> you have friends in high places, carrie, very quickly, is it more garth brooks or tony soprano? that's the question investigators have to ask themselves. >> clearly there was an open line of communication, that's what we know. and it would have been -- this communication was with rudy giuliani, the president's lawyer. it would have been in the president's interests, and so rudy giuliani was trying to understand where michael cohen's head was, what was he think something was he still sort of being friendly to them? and i would think that the
purpose was more for rudy giuliani to understand what michael cohen was thinking and the reassurances were just to sort of provide that confidence to him. that's my best read of it. >> okay. thank you very much. he could be one of the most significant events in the democratic race for president yet. beto o'rourke made it official just moments ago, he's in. so what are the numbers that give us the best sense of how he will do and which other candidates he threatens the most? we're going dive into the numbers next. i used to book my hotel room on those travel sites but there was
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harry, there's been some slippage for beto the last couple months. >> if we look at the polls, whether they be in iowa with our poll or the national average, back in december he was breaking double digits. that's why a lot of us thought this guy could really go places. look what's happened over the last few months. he's dropped by seven points nationally, he's dropped by six points in iowa, and now he's in fourth or fifth place depending on how you rank the nukes. >> bnumbers. >> but that might have changed. >> this is one of the reasons why we think he might be able to good back up and why we're enthusiastic about his campaign thinking he could rise again. look at the money he was able to raise from individuals in his 2018 senate. he raised $80 million in a field that's going to be a dozen, 15 people where you're going to have to outlast people on the democratic side, the ability to raise money, he raised more than double the next highest frern individual contributors. so we think if he's able to harness that energy, he may be able to rise once again. >> we'll know that in a few days. you'll know that fundraising
hall very quickly. does he surpass the bernie sanders $6 million, we'll know that shortly. when he announced his candidacy at 6:00, one of the things that makes him intriguing to some strategist is he has a more moderate voting record than other democrats. is that true? >> i think it is true. this was essentially his roll call voting record. zero is the most liberal and 100's the most moderate among the democratic caucus. we see sanders well on the left. but look where o'rourke is. he's right here with biden. tes on the right side. he's where past presidential nominees have been for the last few cycles, but he's pretty much to the right of where the average of the 2020 candidates are. >> that's fascinating because that's not the reputation that he has. i think the reputation is he's more to the progressive side. but neck in neck with joe biden? >> this is what the voting record says. there are different ways to measure -- >> what he says versus how he votes. >> exactly right. i would say that is correct. i think part of why we think
that is if we were to basically look at we think he's this young cool, hip, progressive. it is true does he tend to pull at least in 2018 a larger amount of his support foreign policy those under the age of 45. 48% of his supporters were under 45 versus the average of the 2018 democratic candidates where it was only 39%. so he pulls from younger people which could pull from the sanders file. >> he can drive turnout is. that true? >> this is a tricky thing to figure out and it's a little complicated, but what i will say is that texas turnout in 2018 was higher as a national average verses in 2014 the midterm before that, it was far lower. so this is certainly an argument in his favor that, yes, he was sort of the marquis race and turnout in texas was higher nationally versus 2014 when it wasn't. >> you have someone you'd like to wish a happy birthday too? >> there is.
one other thing i'll just point out. is he did do better than the average house democrat in the state of texas, but not overwhelmingly so. i think that's something we should keep in mind that, yes, maybe he does do better than the average candidate, but in 2018 it wasn't overwhelmingly so at least for house democrats. there is in fact someone i'd like to wush a happy birthday to. uncle neil turned 80 yesterday. happy birthday suite sweet 80th. >> we have to work it in once a show. happy birthday. the united states finally grounded the boeing 737 max 8 planes at least a day after many, many other countries. what was the delay? that's next. (vo) we're carvana,
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new morning, questions about what took so long for the united states to ground the boeing 737 max 8 and the max 9 passenger planes. we learned overnight that the faa found similarities between this weekend's doomed ethiopian airlines flight and the crash of a lion air jet back in october. so with the rest of the world taking much quicker acts, why was the u.s. so slow to move? tom foreman is live in washington with much more on this. tom. >> reporter: john, officials here is a what they needed was some evidence, and they got it yesterday. they say they studied the satellite tracks and the more they looked at them and got more information, the more this crash in ethiopia looked like the air lion crash in indonesia last fall. and that's what it took. after days of resisting, the
united states caved to global pressure grounding boeing 737 max 8 jets after sunday's ethiopian airlines crash. >> any plane currently in the air will go to its destination and thereafter be grounded until further notice. >> reporter: president trump made the abrupt announcement to ground the max 8 and max 9 models of boeing's newest planes just hours after american regulators insisted the planes were still safe to fly. the faa is acontribute bugt the about-face to new evidence collected at the crash site and newly refined data from tracking. that data suggests similarities between the vertical speeds of the boeing 737 max 8s involved in the crashes in ethiopia and in indonesia last october. >> it's the safety of the american pell and aople and all is our paramount concern. >> reporter: it came shortly after canada said they would no longer allow the aircrafts to take off or land in their country. an official tells cnn that while
president trump had not been pushing to ground the planes, canada's decision made tun ten able for the united states to continue to hold out. mr. trump suggesting the decision was more precautionary than mandatory. >> i didn't want to take any chances. we didn't have to make this decision today. we could have delayed it. we maybe didn't have to make it at all. but i felt -- i felt it was important both psychologically and a lot of other ways. >> reporter: sources say president trump consulted with boeing ceo directly twice after the ethiopia crash and even after grounding the planes he continued to out to the american plane manufacturer. >> boeing is an incredible company. >> reporter: but, the "washington post" reports that in private the president told administration officials he thought the 737's quote, sucked and that they paled in comparison to his personal jet, a boeing 757. boeing saying they're supporting this proactive step out of an abundance of caution and doing everything they can to
understand the cause of the accidents. it will impact three major u.s. airlines which normally fly hundreds of flights using max 8 and 9 jets daily. the bottom line is boeing has to figure out whether or not onboard software is for some reason causing these planes to dive toward the ground. to do that they have to look at the flight data recorder and the voice recorder. they're both in france now finally being analyzed. but until they get those answers, officials here say those planes will remain parked. alisyn. >> very good to know. thank you so much. so what does this data tell us about the similarities between the ethiopian airlines flight and the lion air crash? there's the graph. miles osbri'brien is standing b explain these graphs to us. for every 5 lbs you lose, alli® can help you lose two to three more by preventing about 25% of the fat you eat from being absorbed. for the only fda-approved otc weight loss aid, try alli®.
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jo joining us now, miles o'brien, the science correspondent for pbs news hour. walk us through these. this is the ethiopian airlines flight and the lion air crash five months ago. what do you see here that's similar? >> first of all, top line, this is a graph which depicts terror. this was a wild ride on both aircraft, total roller coaster. just so you know, we're talking about here this is the vertical rate of speed. so how fast it's going up or down, not across the ground. look at this first peak here. shortly after takeoff going up to about 3,000 feet per minute, which is about normal for a 737. but then apparently the crew was trying to struggle to bring it down, to control that rate of assent. every graph line you see here represents in excess of 90 pounds of pressure on the control yoke. so these crews were battling actually in a physical struggle in both cases but the similarities are there. you see the big peaks, the
computer is trying to send that nose up. and the crew pushing on the wheel trying to arrest that problem, presumably trying to cut off the system but in this wild struggle ultimately losing in both cases. when you see those two, the similarities are very haunting and the inescapable conclusion you have something at root cause that's the same. >> to my lay mehman's eyes there say nose up situation and this is that nose down. >> when you see that with about 15 to 20 seconds in between, that's the cycle of trying to pull back, push, trying to overcome what the airplane is doing. >> so the autopilot is make the nose go up? >> actually, no. what's interesting about this scenario is, this is manual flying, okay. and this system is designed to kick in when the flaps have been retracted, in other words after you've departed the flaps are tucked in and the airplane is
still being flown by the individual. the plane was designed with bigger engines which made it more loikikely to go nose high. so they put this situation in to make sure the pilot didn't do that. so if it detects that, it overrides the flight crew. in this case was there bad information going to the system? that's the root of the investigation right now. >> so it's haunting to me, this is the reason the faa, the administration says or is now pointing to that they decided to ground the max 8. this was publicly available information days ago. >> we knew all this. this is all public information. so when the faa says we had more data from the satellite, yes, it might have been more granular, more specific, but the broad outlines of these graphs we've known for a while. so we have to take that with a bit of a grain of salt. they said they found something in the wreckage when led them to believe this. i'm not sure what that was. it is interesting to me that the
black boxes, the flight sock pit recorder and voice rord have been sent to france to look at it. perhaps they have some skepticism of the objectivity of the u.s. system right now, i don't know. it's an interesting thing. you would expect in this case u.s. aircraft, you know, u.s. manufacturer it would end up in the united states. >> i mean, soon enough the controversy over what happened is going to be over and the controversy about what happens next is the next question. how big will how long will it take to get this back in the air? >> hopefully they're not rushing it. you have a software patch designed to youfr coovercome ful instability with the aircraft. better to get it right and take a little longer. there will be a lot of pressure to get planes in the air. but when you consider the fleet, it's still a small percentage. >> but to your original point, i imagine the passengers on these flights and how scary that was. >> it's horrifying because if you think about what was going
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