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president of the united states of america. this is a defining moment of truth for the country and every one of us. >> o'rourke tells "vanity fair," quote, i'm just born to be in it. this is what he's in -- a large and still growing pack of democratic rivals, most of whom think they were born for it, too. >> born for it. we'll see. here in d.c. today the republican-controlled senate is set to deliver president trump a major embarrassment, a resolution blocking his border wall emergency declaration that almost earned a pass with republican support. we are also watching once again the d.c. federal courthouse today where roger stone may soon learn he's run afoul again of the gag order for the last time. much more on all of that in the hour ahead. let's begin with the newest face in the crowd of presidential hopefuls. leila santiago is in iowa with what's happening there. good morning, a shocker.
beto o'rourke is in. >> yeah. not much of a surprise, right? i can tell you as we are waiting for him to arrive. i'm talking to people is they want to know more about his policies. they want to know specifically here about edge education and how he plans to support rural america. very appropriate for where we are now in the southeastern part of iowa. i had a chance to talk to him yesterday about his announcement. i asked him something that's very key. he energized the young voters. he raised a lot of money. $80 million in the run against ted cruz. ultimately losing by three points. it made him a rising star in the democratic party. does he plan to do on a national level what he did in texas. he said yes.
he said he wants to take the same grassroots approach to get the nomination. in the bid for presidency, will it work? we have to wait and see. already, folks here are excited to see him in iowa. we expect to have a three-day visit here in which he'll be talking to small groups, even plans to be in a 5-k at some point for the first part of his campaign as hopefully for him if he has his way, the democratic nominee. >> nothing like getting in a little jog. >> cnn political writer harry enson is with me now. beto o'rourke, a big national profile. 5% in iowa, the first state. that's low. >> not high. he's not pulling particularly well nationally. only 6% in an average of polls
there. he's down from where he was. he was polling in the double digits in iowa and nationally. >> he may have missed his moment. we have 11 months to go. we'll see if he can turn it around. >> he lost in the end. democrats have been talking about texas for a thousand years and never get there. was that a good result for him in terms of testing his national appeal? >> it was in some ways and wasn't in others. texas is a state that's moving more toward the center of the aisle. beto o'rourke underperformed a little bit. you might have expected it giving donald trump. yes, it was better than we might have expected, but not so much better. >> let's talk about the effect on joe biden who everybody is waiting for now. his close confidants say he's
95% there. when you look at the field, skewed to younger, women, people of color. what does it say for older white men for the democratic party this time? >> it's interesting. you look at the polls and a "wall street journal" poll. democratic voters don't want a candidate over 75. >> that's not exactly a low bar. >> it's not. but that's bernie sanders and joe biden. they are combining for over 50% of the vote. it must be their ideal candidate isn't actually matching up with who they want or now the polls may not actually be reflective of what turns out to be the case. >> these are live pictures of beto o'rourke in iowa, the first state to vote. of course not accidental this is his first stop on the day he announces. talk about strengths for a moment of beto o'rourke.
he raised $80 million in his senate run. we know how fund raising ability is a factor. >> he raised $80 million, the next closest person who raised anything close to that was claire mchaskill. he raised more than double the next closest person to him. in a field as large as this the ability to raise money would allow you to build infrastructure and may allow you to advertise longer than your competitors. >> we'll keep watching again. these are live pictures of beto testing the waters. he's pulling 5% today. we'll see if it changes as we get closer to the iowa caucuses. >> back to you. >> balmy in iowa. not just a jacket. a nice day there. let's talk more about it with jess mcintosh.
good morning to you. let me ask you. >> good morning. >> two questions that former president obama according to this new "vanity fair" article asked beto o'rourke when the two sat down to have a chat. the first, does he have a path to victory? >> i think absolutely he does. we have seen people get very enthusiastic when they are around him. folks are very excited about his candidacy. i thought it was an interesting choice not to have a big scene-setting rally today. i read the "vanity fair" piece. i'm excited by the one he can bring, the vulnerability he can show. why one might want to do this. the only thing i want to make sure is part of a conversation when we talk about beto is it would be near impossible for a
woman to run that same race. saying i was born to do this is really pretty impossible. my kids say they are going to cry every day i'm running but i will do it anyway. beto is rightfully praised for the outside candidacy he's putting forward, i want to make sure that double standard is part of the conversation. it could do us all a lot of good to treat everybody the same. >> wouldn't that be a thing? you make an interesting point. nia malika henderson wrote a piece that people should look up on cnn.com. the other question president obama asked if what do you uniquely offer the country? what do you think? is there something he uniquely offers the country? >> this is where he has a little bit of ground to make up. we have the most exciting, diverse field of candidates out
there now. he has rightfully acknowledged there might be a little bit of a misstep with him being a white guy. maybe that's not the face of the new democratic party. he answers the question pretty well. his youth is probably working in favor for him. i think the fact he's more or less a digital native will be helpful. we are starting as early as we are because it gives them a chance to differentiate. >> i was struck by the answer in "vanity fair" to being a white man is something he can't change. he said, i get and respect people who won't vote for me because of that. i would surround myself. my team would be diverse. finally, what democrat that's already in the race do you think his candidacy hurts most? >> i think the bernie sanders issue is a little bit. we saw bernie's folks going after beto months ago, well before he was sure whether he
was going to do the senate or the presidential run. they certainly seem to understand that's a possible threat right there. >> he's more progressive values. he's also more centrist policy-wise than sanders. you think it would hurt sanders more than biden or amy klobuchar? >> sanders had the leftover base from 2016. it's not a traditional campaign tactic he uses. i think that may be more than a policy alignment. >> so sorry to interrupt. watch this. he's starting to make the remarks. this is live in iowa. >> thank you for being with us and welcoming me to your community. this is the first stop in our campaign to be president of the united states.
it is a huge honor to be with you. i got a call from my wife amy in el paso, texas, where she's raising -- sometimes with my help -- 12-year-old ulysses, 10-year-old molly and little brother henry who is 8. she's getting them ready, feeding them and taking them to school. even though this is the first day, i miss them terribly. i'll tell you this. it's those kids and your kids and your grand kids and the generations that follow that push us out into the country to do this incredibly important work together. the challenge s before us, i hoe you agree, have never been greater. the greatest of our lifetimes. if you look at the crises in the economy where the power has been concentrated into the hands of the privileged, the few, the corporations.
if you look at the democracy which may very well be a democracy soon enough in name only unless we get it back. make sure it represents people and not special interests and corporations. if you look at the climate which if, in this ten-year window we don't do everything we humanly can, the generation that is follow us -- and i mean our kids, in their lifetimes. by the time ulysses is my age we may not be able to live in cities like el paso, texas. we may not be able to grow our own food and fiber, feed and clothe ourselves in this country. if you think a little more than 300,000 immigrants and asigh s sigh lum -- asylum seekers is a problem and i don't think it is. when entire bands of the world are no longer habitable will be
a crisis of a different magnitude all together. these challenges i am absolutely convinced will bring out the best in every one of us. we have something almost no other country in the world has. we have the single greatest mechanism to call forth the genius of our fellow human beings. more than 320 million people strong, this democracy can bring the creativity and resolve of a country. each of the challenges can and will be met. the foundational challenge to get this done is to fix our democracy. only when it works and only when each of us can work within it will we be able to meet these threats. this setting right now, the very first event of our campaign for president is an example not only of the way i wish to campaign across the country for every
single american and i could care less your party persuasion, religion, anything other than the fact that now we are all americans and all human beings. we do everything within our power for one another, for this great country and for every generation that follows. [ applause ] >> this is democracy. this the spirit of that i want to make sure i have a chance to listen to you. this is my first time to ever visit iowa. this is my first time to visit keokuk. this is my first time to meet most of you here in the room. i'm looking forward to the conversation, to hearing what's on your mind, answering your questions and, even better, if you want to pose the solution to your question from your perspective, from where you live and how you see things, i am all ears right now. there is no sense in campaigning if you already know every answer, if you are not willing to listen to those whom you wish to serve. that brought me here along with
hopefully a cup of coffee. with that, raise your hand and i will call on you. we'll take it from there. yes, ma'am? >> i have a three-part question. [ inaudible ] >> speak up. >> i will repeat the question. you said the price after insurance kicked in was 144? >> 444. >> 444. great question. her daughter has insurance so is
covered, but after insurance kicks in her prescription still costs her $444. in the spirit of the question, there is a lot of proposed solutions to fixing the health care system. what, beto, do you think we should do? we should begin with the end. what is it we are hoping to achieve? in my opinion it is guaranteed high quality health care. why do i say guaranteed? for everyone. universal. why do i say guaranteed? >> guaranteed because in the instance of a school teacher who died of the flu because her copay was $119. it is not enough to be covered or insured. we absolutely must be guaranteed the ability to see a doctor, take our child to the therapist, afford the prescription that could save our lives, certainly improve our lives.
that has to be the goal that all of us share. some will challenge us and say that's an expensive proposition. it is. let's be honest about that. the greatest level of the highest cost estimates. $30 trillion over the next ten years. some of the lowest for a plan like medicare for america. it was introduced by jan shakowski and rosa delora. whatever that expense, it is a hell of a lot less than what we pay today to lose the people in our lives, lose the productivity of americans who aren't well enough to go to work, children not well enough to learn. [ applause ] >> so let's make sure we spread out the costs more evenly. it will more than pay for the cost of the investment up front. thank you for the question.
yes, sir? i took your chair. >> there's your coffee. >> thank you. >> with the many candidates entering the field on the democratic side, how do we keep this campaign from becoming the zoo that was represented by the republican party in the last election? >> great question. so many amazing candidates running for president right now. it is a great sign that in some important ways this democracy still works. it is incumbent upon every one of us. in a democracy, all of us are the government. the government is all of us. we hold each other accountable not just for what we promise and enact or fail to enact but how we conduct ourselves on the campaign trail. critically important that we not denigrate, demean any other candidate. we don't talk about their personal lives.
[ applause ] any single democrat running today and i may not be able to enumerate every one of them now, would be far better than the current occupant of the white house. [ applause ] >> let's keep it in mind. we can conduct ourselves every single day for the next 11 months until voting begins here in iowa. let's remember each one of us at the end of this once we have a nominee will be on the same team. doesn't matter the team you are on today, which prospective nominee you back. ultimately we have to get on board. it is fundamental to our chances of success that we defeat donald trump in 2020. and then we have a movement of people defined not by their differences but how they have been able to come together to
allow the next president of the united states to the be successful on extraordinarily large challenges that would be before him or her going forward into the next four years. that's the way we'll conduct ourselves in the next campaign. thank you. other questions? yes, ma'am. >> i want to ask for your thoughts on the tariffs and how to get rid of it. >> so the challenge that the president seeks to confront of china gaming the international trade system is a legitimate one. we want him to be successful in this. as i was reminded by a fellow iowan, when have you ever gone to war including a trade war without allies. when have we first alienated every trading partner we have as this country has done under trump's leadership before confronting one of the largest economies in the world today. one of the largest markets for
soybeans, corn, for what we produced around the country. i want to be successful in holdihold ing china accountable. i want us to be as competitive as possible for what we produce in the united states of america. in order to do that let's bring to bear every ally and partner we have around the world. you can extrapolate from the anecdote what you are seeing here in iowa. we were in west texas talking to a pecan grower. that pecan grower used to have tariffs on his pecans when he sold them around the world of 2%. now they are 27% thanks to the trade war. no one around the world is buying his pecans. he said, i know at some point the tariff wills come down, the trade war will end. those buyers and other countries and markets will find other producers, other countries from whom to buy and my kids who i so
desperately want to take over this pecan growing operation will move somewhere else. we'll have to subdivide the land. we'll build tract housing here instead of being able to be tied to the land my parents and grandparents handed down to me. yes, let's make sure we hold other countries of the world accountable but let's not do it at the expense of our farmers, growers, producers, those fundamental to the success of the u.s. economy. knowing full well 30% of what you grow here in iowa is bound for markets outside of the united states. i want to make sure we are tough on trade. we hold other countries accountable but do it in an effective and intelligent way. thank you for asking. yes, sir? >> beto, would you speak to the education system? i see teachers in our district struggling every day. they have to take money out of their own pockets to buy supplies and are doing the best
they can but they need more funding to make the schools work. >> yeah. that's a great question about public education and specifically the teachers who are the backbone of public education. [ applause ] >> the retired teachers who made it possible for all of us to be here, right? i want to hear from you about what it's like in iowa? let me share what
i learned in texas. nearly half of public school teachers in texas are working a second or a third job, not for kicks, not for extra spending cash but just to make ends meet, put food on the table. buy the medication with the $444 co-pay, just to exist. at the same time, the gentleman said it in the question. out of their own pocket they are buying supplies for the classroom, supplies for the students in them. we know first hand there are teachers who see a student come in on monday in a pair of jeans
and a t-shirt. tuesday, the same jeans and t-shirt. wednesday the same. by thursday out of her pocket the teacher bought the child a new set of clothes knowing it is important for their dignity and ability to hold their head up high. they don't have the extra cash to spend but they do it nonetheless. our ability to meet the economic challenges that i just described is only going to be possible if we support our teachers, pay them a true living wage so they focus on only one job, the most important before them. that they have a health care system they can depend on and retired teachers are able to afford a life of dignity. somebody pointed out when i say teachers maybe i should say educators. that's nurses, librarians, therapists. the custodial staff, bus drivers, everyone who makes it possible. this is another one of the investments where some say this
sounds like pie in the sky. we cannot afford to do this. we cannot afford not to do this. we don't make that investment. by extent we are not making that investment in our kids. what should we expect for them to achieve in their lifetimes. we don't want to be the generation unique in american history that sees the children do worse economically, worse in terms of educational attainment than we or our parents did. that's possible unless we get ahold of the situation now. yes, it means investment. it also means we hold one another accountable. the school district trustees, superintendents means we invest in teachers not just in pay but in education and in continuing education. every teacher i met wants to be the best of her profession. she wants us to make the investment in her and her fellow teachers. thank you for asking the question. yes, sir? >> your thoughts on the new
green deal? >> the question is on the green new deal and if you don't mind i will take the spirit of the question. we face catastrophe and crisis on this planet, even if we were to stop emitting carbon today right now at this moment, we know that the storms we saw in texas, harvey which dumped a record amount of rain on the united states of america as long as we have kept records, that claimed the lives of too many of our fellow americans flooded people out of their homes and businesses. storms like harvey will be more frequent, severe and devastatinging. ultimately they'll compromise the ability to live in a city like houston, texas. the droughts experienced in the panhandle of texas, five years straight. we got rain and went back into droughts again. the same scientists say the droughts will be more profound,
severe at a town hall like this. a young woman came in with her two children. she was skipping her son's basketball practice to be there to talk to a democrat though she was a life long republican. she told me what her grandparents planted on the farm, what her parents planted on their farm, she's now trying to plant it and it doesn't grow. she said climate change isn't something to prepare for. it is here. let us all be well aware that life will be a lot tougher for the generations that follow us, no matter what we do. it is only a matter of degrees. along this current trajectory there will be people who can no longer live in the cities they call home today. there is food grown in the country that will no longer prosper in these soils. there is going to be massive migration of tens or hundreds of millions of people from places that are uninhabitable or under the sea now. this is the final chance. the scientists are unanimous on
this. we have no more than 12 years to take incredibly bold action on this crisis. my gratitude to them for the young people who stepped up to offer such a bold proposal to meet such a grave challenge. they say we should do nothing less than marshal every resource in the country to meet that challenge, to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels, to get to net zero emissions which means not only must we emit less greenhouse gases, we must plant things that absorb greenhouse gases and carbon and invest in the technology to allow us to claim some that's in the air now. can we make it? i don't know. it's up to every one of us. do you want to make it? [ applause ] >> your kids, my kids. ulysses will be looking back on
this moment in keokuk in 2019 and every moment thereafter to judge what we did or failed to do. thinking about us, his kids' lives, whether they can breathe depends on what we do now. some will criticize the green new deal for being too bold or being unmanageable. i tell you what, i haven't seen anything better that addresses this singular crisis we face, a crisis that could at its worst lead to extinction. the green new deal does that. it ties it to the economy and acknowledges that all of the things are interconnected. also recognizes some communities have borne the brunt of pollution more than others. asthma deaths we have in the united states of america concentrated in some neighborhoods, some people more than others. it wants to make sure we do our part in making this more equitable, helping communities already hurt so badly. that we ensure there are jobs
available for those looking for work for purpose, function in their lives who are succumbing to the diseases of despair. in so doing make sure the world's greatest super powers trk greatest democracy and economy brings everything we have to the unique challenge. not to be dramatic, but the future of the world depends on us right now here where we are. let's find a way to do this. sir? >> i work in health care. you kind of answered the health care question. i have been to all the hospitals in the area. i watched the opioid crisis. it's awful. people my age are committing suicide at alarming rates. this is a way i personally believe we can help is how to end prohibition on marijuana on a federal level? [ applause ] >> it does wonders for people
with mental illness including myself. what's your thoughts on that? >> great question. i'm going to take my sweater off real quick. it's warm. it's not because he asked about marijuana. we lost more than 150,000 of our fellow americans, our fellow human beings to drug overdose and suicide last year. now, we can either accept that, look at it as a force of nature or an act of god or we can understand that there may be a human solution to some of the challenges and problems that our fellow americans or fellow human beings face. first of all, we should make sure drug use, drug abuse, drug
addiction is treated not as a criminal justice problem that will have you locked up. that's really no help or hope to get right and back on your feet and have the purpose and function so fundamental to success and freeing yourself to those dependencies. we have to invest in the resources for mental health care in america in texas. largest provider of mental health care services in the state is the county jail system. people with schizophrenia, depression. getting arrested on purpose. it is the only way for guaranteed help. seen by a therapist or social worker before they are on the streets. guess what. the reason so many people on the streets use drugs isn't that drug use led them to the streets. they are on the streets without health care and it's the way to medicate the problems they have. so universal health care. that investment specifically in
mental health care. the understanding we have to boldly change our criminal justice system to stop penalizing people for their illnesses. that will be the basis of getting it right, reducing the numbers i shared with you, getting people help who need it now. what can we do? the most medically advanced, wealthiest country the world has known if not be there for each other. then the last question. again, it's not the one that made me take my sweater off. we should, to this end especially since more than half the states in the union legalized marijuana, medicinized it, legalized it for medicinal use. we should end the precision on marijuana. given the fact -- and i say this as a father of a middle skoom student where middle schools are one of the fastest growing markets for marijuana sales today. in the black market they do not
i.d. or care. as long as they can make the sale. in the same time we have seen marijuana use grow by kids whose brains are still developing. it is not healthy for them. it slows their progress. it may not make them do as well as it would have otherwise in life. in the same 40 years tobacco use has plummeted. we treated it as a public health issue, didn't outlaw it. we made sure it was not cool. we can do the same thing when it comes to cannabis or marijuana. we can free ourselves from the distinction of being the country that helps more than any other on the face of the planet and they don't look like this room, by and large. they are browner and blacker than most of america. though people here use illegal drugs at the same rate no matter where they are, only some face arrest and imprisonment. forced to check a box which
diminishes their opportunities in life to hold a jo, raise a family, get a student loan and be successful. for all those reasons let's end the prohibition on marijuana. thank you. yes? >> i was curious, what are your thoughts on ubi? >> a question about universal basic income. i appreciate you asking that. it gets at the fact that even though we have record low unemployment in this country, too many of our fellow americans now in this community and in my hometown of el paso, texas, are struggling to get by. not just the school teachers working two and three jobs. some people who may have worked at the hotel i said good morning to when i woke up working another job at the end of this shift. we need to address that problem. productivity has gone through the roof in this country. workers' wages and incomes haven't kept pace. while some wealth in some parts
of the country continue to hold or increase in other parts of the country, we are losing entire communities. what are my steps to address this? when everyone is well enough to work the jobs or start a business or provide for their family, they are going to do better economically. health care is foundational. when you have child care for the little kids so you can return to the workforce and be at your best, you can earn more. you won't be frazzled. you can read to your child before she begins the first day of first grade. you're not going to be at your second or third job or riding the bus home from the supermarket. a minimum wage that matches our household needs, we need $15 an hour within the next six years so everybody can afford to have the one job, focus on themselves, their kids, families, giving back to the communities. when i asked the clerk in the
hotel to tell me about keokuk she said this is a community that's distinguished itself by service, public service, parks are cleaned by the community. not done at taxpayer expense. when there is a problem near the river we get after it. i want people to have the luxury to coach their kids' teams, paying a living wage is part of that. especially in rural communities in rural america. the federal government. the rest of the country needs to form partnerships that mean each side will give more than either could achieve on their own. in texas we have a problem with broadband in rural communities. you may have it in iowa as well. farmers, ranchers and producers cannot get on line. people cannot start businesses in their hometown or finish after high school because they can't get online. they can go to tinder to find a special person to make a
difference in their lives. i want everyone to have that opportunity. if we remind ourselves of american history there was a moment more than a hundred years ago where only some cities were connected to the electricity grid. some places were more important than others. the companies, corporations and businesses saw a profit motive in some places, but not in others. fdr and the help of members of congress started the rural electrification administration and partnered through co-ops with local communities to invest in themselves with federal backing and support. let's build up rural communities. let's get behind our farmers and producers, end the trade warrio wars and make rural america successful. thank you for the question. cynthia says this is the last one. >> what are your views on women's reproductive rights? >> the question is on women's reproductive rights. every woman should be able to
make her own decisions about her own body. [ applause ] thank you. i cannot tell you how much this means to me. i will remember this forever, every single one of your faces, what you are wearing, what you had to drink. >> let us remember it. announce now for us. >> i'm running to serve you as president of the united states of america. [ applause ] >> thank you for having us out. really grateful. thank you. >> big morning in keokuk, iowa, for beto o'rourke who failed in his senate bid but is making a run for the white house. you know, we saw there classic beto o'rourke. he doesn't take notes to prep for speeches. like president trump that he goes off the cuff and you felt the energy. it was palpable.
>> definitely an energetic start. you hear beto o'rourke lay out what's essentially the democratic platform in the election here on china trade, teachers, the green new deal. he even said our democracy will be a democracy in name only. it is clear that voters in 2020, we compare it to trump, gop priorities. it's a choice with enormous consequences. those platforms are miles apart. >> we have to get there first. in a crowded field. let's bring back in josh mcintosh a cnn political director for the hillary clinton campaign. a lot struck me. i didn't hear direct answers. when the first question was about what would you do with my
kid whose prescription costs $444 even after insurance. i didn't hear, this is what i would do with the big pharma companies or allowing medicare to negotiate with them. i didn't hear an answer on universal basic income. regardless of income or your resources or employment status that every american would get a certain sum of money to get by. i didn't hear direct answers. will that matter to voters? >> he did a lot offens aing of the spirit of the question. you can do it on your first day. it is entirely fair to outline principles, talk about values on day one. iowa voters don't appreciate if they ask a specific question and you answer the spirit of it for very long. pretty quickly he has to come to specifics on things like that. especially since the rest of the field is policy-heavy. sometimes conversations that
happen in d.c. are different from conversations happening in america. every one of the questions was how does this policy affect me, my family, and my life. a bread and butter question. there wasn't a horse race in there. there wasn't personality. there wasn't character. it was just the policy. the field so far has been showing they are willing to be out front on policy. you have seen elizabeth warren really make a lot of headlines with policy proposals. that's exciting. i don't think he'll be able to stay in principles and values land for long without getting specific. >> listen, iowa voters know policy well. they know the specifics. they ask hard, knowledgeable questions. they want hard, knowledgeable answers. one thing to note, it struck me that the first words out of beto o'rourke's mouth and i'm curious if you agree, were about his wife at home taking care of the kids. here is a candidate who will be asked about this. a lot of the energy in the party
right now is not for a white man. that's something he'll have to answer for. he gave something of an answer to that. in the first interviews to "vanity fair." >> i think it is not the energy of the party is against having a white man. it is for so long nobody has brought the lived experience of being a woman to a presidential race other than hillary clinton ever. if we were to entertain a white man for president it has to be somebody who will recognize the reality of what it is to be a woman in america and the fact that it's not a monolithic thing. women experience the policy issues differently than men do. for him to immediately center his wife taking care of the family, i think was smart. it would be pretty difficult for a woman presidential candidate
to leave three kids home with her husband. i think there would be a lot of media questions around it. she would be forced to answer in a lot of places. that's not fair and i'm not saying he should stay home with the children, too, but acknowledging he can do what he does because he has a supportive spouse, i think, is smart and speaks to women who are frankly waiting to make sure these candidates are going to be in it for them, too. >> really interesting. thanks for sticking around for that. we appreciate it. ahead for us, republicans set to rebuke the president over his national emergency declaration. we are following the details on the hill. >> announcer: cnn newsroom brought to you by otezla. littles can be a big deal. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not a cream. it's a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. with otezla, 75% clearer skin is achievable.
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border. this morning the president says he is prepared to veto, if necessary. >> right now five republican senators have announced they will vote with democrats on this measure. you see them there. the vice president for his part mike pence making his last-minute plea to the party. listen. >> vote down the resolution of disapproval. stand with the president and stand for border security. that's what the american people want. >> we are on top of the developments there. we'll keep you posted. jim? >> more senators may join the list as well with an even stronger rebuke. moments ago, roger stone arrived at u.s. district court. a federal judge will decide today if stone violated a strict gag order imposed a short time ago not to speak at all about his case. judge amy berman jackson handed paul manafort a second prison sentence and will now decide if stone and his attorneys crossed the line by not telling her
during stone's last hearing days ago about the release of his book criticizing robert mueller's investigation. >> if judge jackson decides stone violated the gag order she could put him in jail until his trial begins. stone is charged with obstruction, lying to congress, and witness tampering related to the special counsel's russia probe. >> also today, house did not deny it when asked if president trump called him about the michael cohen case. a lot to get to. let's bring in former trump white house lawyer. if i can begin with you because you have this investigation about whether the president called his acting attorney general to talk about ongoing investigations, possibility of pardons, et cetera. in the manafort case yesterday manafort's lawyer says something that is really not true, said the judge made some sort of conclusion on the possibility of collusion when it did not relate
to the case at all. can that be read as possible signaling to the owhite house? >> there is messaging of sort. this may or may not be indicative of the same. the big question about everything we have been watching for months and months and months with the president is why doesn't he open up and tell the truth about all things having to do with russia, the russian investigation, those of his aides, family members and others who have become involved in the investigation? why can't he say to the american people i want all these people to testify in public, to tell everything they know about the matters at hand and i too would welcome the opportunity to talk to the special prosecutor, to answer reporters' questions in great length about what happened at the convention, about all things having to do with sanctions and how they may or
may not be related to perhaps my business interests. people have said that i have wanted the sanctions against russia and russians removed because of my business interests. why doesn't he go before the american people and open himself up to the kind of questioning that meanwhile we have very little to go on except to conclude from his actions and statements that he is part of and running some kind of cover up whether it's a conspiracy to obstruct justice we'll have to wait and see the mueller report and other things. >> quick note to you, great speech last night on the importance of the first amendment here in washington. jim schultz, let me read you what the judge amy berman jackson, what she said yesterday in her remarks about manafort's sentence on the no collusion issue. the no collusion refrain that
runs is unrelated to matters at hand. it is not accurate because the investigation is still ongoing t. is very different from what we heard from judge ellis. what does it tell you? >> i don't think it as much. roger stone will go before the judge in this gag order today. she has been very thoughtful about that. it appears that she asked for a lot of information, took a look at what went into the book. she will make a judgment. i would be worried about the what decisions she is going to make. i don't make much about what the judge has said about collusion and otherwise. >> the other issue with this pardon question relates to michael cohen and michael cohen is providing e-mails to congress including an e-mail which i will quote from here. sleep well tonight. you have friends in high places.
i spoke with rudy very, very positive. you are loved. this is an attorney who said he was speaking with president trump's own lawyer, rudy giuliani. you watched obstruction of justice by a president during watergate, some of it more explicit than it is. as you look at each of these examples of outreach, et cetera, do you see an attempt to tamper with witnesses, to dangle pardons to therefore influence the investigation, obstruct the investigation? >> it sounds like a lot of shakespeare. do i see this pattern? of course, the pattern is there, the suggestion of pardons for many people involved in the russia investigation is out there. there is no question about it. there is some ambiguity in the language, but any reasonable person i think would conclude that the president wants these
te people to be under the impression that he will pardon them so that they won't talk. it is a horrible thing to watch the president of the united states act like this. nixon didn't talk like this in public. it is extraordinary. i will go back to the "g "godfather" books to try to show a benchmark of what we are listening to here by the president of the united states. whether it constitutes impeachable offense, whether it is actually, in fact, a criminal act or the taking together they are criminal acts, we will have to wait and see. i go back to what i said at the beginning of this segment. there is a matrix of a cover up in front of our very eyes. i would like to ask jim schultz is that not a reasonable inference for lay people especially to draw given on what we have seen so far. >> do we have time for me to
respond? as it relates to this particular issue, so you is a lawyer who was looking to represent cohen making some outreach to rudy giuliani if you believe this is how the whole thing occurred. and this lawyer is reaching out to giuliani. giuliani doesn't have any authority whatsoever to speak for the white house office as it relates to pardons. that's the president of the united states. that's the white house counsel, the department of justice that is involved in that process. it is not rudy giuliani. to the extent that i know what the lawyer was communicating to the person he was seeking to represent as a client, but i'm not sure that he was actually representing him, it may have been that he was just trying to pick up a client. i'm not sure. it's very unclear as to the communications between the woand what role everyone was playing. and the fact that we are going on what rudy giuliani may have
said and in a communication with a client i think is so speculative at this point. it's really tough to nail that down. i don't see it as much especially coming from someone that i said time and time again misrepresents things on tv. i'm talking about rudy giuliani. >> that's why i ask the bigger question if i can just. >> i got to let you guys ask it in the commercial break. i'm up against the clock here. keep talking and you know you will both do that. >> we will have you back. >> thank you both. moments from now this is what we are watching. federal court in washington, d.c. roger stone about to face judge amy berman jackson who seems to be losing patience with the long-time trump adviser. discovered in jellyfish,nt oriy prevagen has been shown in clinical trials to improve short-term memory. prevagen. healthier brain. better life.
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