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with murder. three other people are in custody. >> the accused gunman is believed to have posted an 87-page manifesto online. the white house put out a statement a short time ago condemning the attack as a vicious act of hate. president trump tweeted just moments ago. he says my warmest sympathy and best wishes to the people of new zealand after the horrible months kerr in the mosques. 49 innocent people have so senselessly died with so many more seriously injured. the u.s. stands by new zealand for anything we can do. god bless all. let's go live to hong kong for the breaking details. anna? >> reporter: alisyn, as you say, 49 people have been killed in this terror attack. but there are dozens more that have been seriously injured. the death toll could very well rise. we believe the gunman for both
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of these attacks has been arrested as have two other men. that gunman, a 28-year-old australian citizen, livestreamed his killing spree on social media, on facebook. it was just horrendous to watch. he talks through it. he laughs through it. he's cold, calm and calculated. you have to assume he's had a great deal of training. there was a great amount of planning that was involved in this attack. he rained terror on the city of christchurch. the third largest city of new zealand, a country with a population of just 5 million people. this is a peace-loving, welcoming country that allows mie gran si and allows muslims in to make a home. the terror he rained down on the city has rocked the nation.
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let's listen to what one of the witnesses who managed to escape had to say. >> tried to open this small window. it was hard. but i smashed the window. >> people were waiting outside. >> alisyn, just horrific details of what took place in christchurch. this gunman was wearing a helmet camera. as we say, this was live-streamed. arriving at the mosque, taking out the weaponry. semi-automatic weapons, walking inside the mosque, mowing down dozens of people returning to his car, getting more ammunition. killing people on the pavement. walking back inside the mosque
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and finishing off the job. he walked up to the victims slumped, lying on the ground at point blank range and executed them. it was absolutely awful to watch. one of the most horrific things i have ever had to witness. >> i'm sorry you had to watch it. so sorry you had to go through that. it is repugnant that this killer taped it and filmed it live. >> it's just another level of the depravity and the sickening nature of this. >> joining us is josh campbell, supervisory special agent and law enforcement analyst who worked counter terrorism investigations. executive director of muslim activists and the former assistant secretary of the department of homeland security and analyst. josh, i want to quickly get to the bigger picture here of hate-filled killings around the world and what might be inspiring them. before we get to that with your investigation experience tell us what's happening now.
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what threads are being followed? what's necessary to figure out. >> there are so many aspects in the investigation. let's start with the crime scenes. two mosques are the scene of a deadly loss of life. investigators are going through those locations now, gathering evidence separately from that there are witnesses being interviewed again to provide information. what did they say? that will get into whether officials are confident that they have in custody everyone that was involved. a witness may see someone fleeing that might be a lead that law enforcement officials need to figure out how large the network is. there is that piece. now investigators will be digging into the subjects. what was their role, background? what did they do to plan and execute the attack? whether there are other people that might be involved. beyond that, happening in new zealand, having worked with officials in new zealand and australia, new zealand is part of the five arrangement.
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new zealand, australia, canada, the united states and great britain that share information on a daily basis. these countries have liaison officers assigned to different countries and share information. what we can expect going on now is the officials in the different countries are going through intelligence holdings to determine if they have a piece of information that may insist investigators in new zealand anything that may have been collected once they have identifiers of the subject they want to see if anything is derogatory they can share. this will be an international investigation. we don't yet know if there are global threads to this. that will be going on behind the scenes. the last piece officials will be interviewing the subject to determine what they can glean as far as the motive. >> i used to love hearing about investigations. i was a crime reporter. i used to love the details, the nuts and bolts of an investigation. now, all we know is there is an uptick in right wing terrorism around the globe.
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domestically there is an uptick in these arrests. it feels like the investigative tools we have and thank god for investigators, it's not stopping this from happening. what's the solution to the uptick we are seeing everywhere? >> unfortunately it is more than an uptick. this has been noted over the last couple of years. the sort of rise of whatever you want to call it. right wing extremism. not just as an ideology but a motivation for terrorist attacks has been on the increase. we see it in the united states. the public sense of terrorism is isis-inspired. it is a three to one ratio when you look at fbi numbers. part of it is clearly a sense as the world becomes more global. it becomes more diverse.
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there are people who view it as a threat. they fear the displacement, anti-immigration. as i have been saying they view it as a zero sum game. it isn't just that i hate my neighbor. my new neighbor actually displaces my capacity to have a free life. that sense of zero sum game animates the ideology and literature and public and political amplification we are seeing in places like -- for example, like in australia which has a big sentiment there but obviously europe and the united states. it's got to be toned down from the top. then you have your traditional counter terrorism tools. find it, name it, isolate it, arrest them and try to stop them before they do it. it is what it is. an anti- islislam attack agains mosque. it is white supremacy terrorism.
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>> it's terrorism, full stop. the rhetoric isn't far away at all. the language of invasion is all over the manifesto was the same language used by the pittsburgh killer in the synagogue. invasion is also language that's been used in political campaign ads by the president before the midterm elections. the language of replacement in the manifesto. we heard white supremacists chant "jews will not replace us" in charlottesville. it is not happening in new zealand. it's everywhere and very close to home. the white supremacist movements around the world, why is the language important to them? >> i would go further to say why they are seeing inspiration from our own president is you have a president who, when he was a candidate talked about banning muslims from entering this country. as president one of the first acts as a policy matter was to put in place that policy.
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the policy was cheered on by the white nationalist groups. our president then called the neo-nazi marchers very fine people. now the shooter according to reports specifically invoked our president as an inspiration and said he was a symbol of the white identity movement. the president tweeted a message of sympathy to the victims, but the president and the united states needs to go further. president trump needs to specifically condemn and disavow and disassociate himself from this shooter and from the white nationalist movement. >> you are keeping it together emotionally better than i am. you are so rational and so reasonable. >> i shed tears last evening. >> of course. i wonder if you can just share with us some of the conversation of the muslim community. >> it's heartbreaking.
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the fact that people, a house of worship is a sacred place for not just muslims, but people of all faith. to see that shattered and not just vandalism on the side of the wall. b barbarically to enter and gun down these people. if it can happen in new zealand, it can happen in the united states. there is a very real, great fear about that. i'm so proud of the american muslim community. we have been through a lot the last few years. our mosques have been fire-bombed. we have been attacked. people are resilient. we are not stopping from going to mosques and worshiping and reaching out to our friends and neighbors. so we are going to get through this. we're also going to demand more action from our elected officials in law enforcement to protect us and all americans
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from this white nationalist threat. >> really powerful. very quickly. >> just every mayor should deploy additional resources to mosques tonight, not because of a specific threat but to repeat that these are places of worship we respect and want to secure the ability of people to pray and celebrate their community and religion tonight. i urge mayors to do that tonight. >> thank you very much. >> to this, north korea is threatening to pull out of nuclear talks and to resume missile testing. breaking details next. i hear it in the background and she's watching too, saying [indistinct conversation]
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moments ago, national security adviser john bolton talked about the massacre in new zealand as well as what's happening with north korea. so listen to this. >> to follow up on the statement sarah sanders just put out, we are obviously greatly disturbed by what seems to be a terror attack, this hate crime in new zealand. we have been in touch with our embassy overnight. we are still getting details. but the state department and others are following up on it. we are very concerned. we're going to cooperate with the new zealand authorities to the extent we can. if there is any role we can play. we are obviously following the events there closely.
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that's really all i can say at the moment. >> north korea -- you and the secretary of state created an atmosphere of hostility and distrust. what's your response to that? >> i think that's inaccurate. but the president is our decision-maker. i have seen the statement you are referring to within the past hour i have spoken to my south korean counterpart. we discussed their reaction and our reaction. but i would like to speak further within the u.s. government before we respond. thank you very much. >> that was national security adviser john bolton. the question being asked by cnn's joe johns. joining us now, adam kinsinger of illinois, a member of the house foreign affairs committee. thanks for being with us. we love having you on the show. thank you for coming in. it stinks it's on a day like today. it just stinks. 49 people killed, massacred
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while they were praying in masks in an anti-muslim, anti-immigrant attack. your reaction? >> it's disgusting. any time somebody of faith is targeted for any reason, any time anybody is targeted it's disgu disgusting. to see this is especially disgusting. i am praying for these people. when i say thoughts and prayers are with these folks, i mean it. we need the god of the universe to step in and change people's hearts. for somebody to wake up, decide to grab guns and murder innocent people, even of a different religion, to me is just the pure epitome of disgusting evil. >> you asked for god to change people's hearts. >> yeah. >> i have a question. does god need to change people's language? this killer in a manifesto said he's a supporter of president trump as a symbol of white identity. why would anyone see the president as a symbol of white identity? >> god needs to change people's
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hearts. he needs to change their language. you cannot put this on president trump. >> i'm not. there is a one man who pulled the trigger here. >> yeah. >> the person giving a sign of allegiance to president trump is the killer here. he called him a symbol of white identity. the language he uses in this manifesto is all about invaders. it is all about invaders, similar to the killer at the synagogue in pittsburgh and language president trump used in a campaign ad before the midterm election. the word invader means something to people around the world. why? >> for the president to say i'm concerned with illegal immigration -- >> he says invaders. >> hold on. to say that and go to a guy willing to kill 50 people he may say, president trump is my idol. that doesn't put it on president trump. i don't know what a sick man that would kill 49 people innocently was thinking. i don't have any idea what was
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in his mind. i know this. it cannot be connected. we cannot say what is it president trump is doing that's triggering these people? this is an evil man that made a decision to murder 49 people. and that is on him. frankly, the evil in his heart. >> if this monster is hearing something in the word "invader" and the president is using that word, can the president really not do nianything? >> the president can reaffirm like we saw on twitter, he can say it in his verbal language. for somebody to be triggered to evil and put it in a manifesto and the president says things like, look, i don't agree with all the president's things on immigration -- i want to be clear. >> do you think it is an invasion? >> no. i think there are things with drug cartels and human -- >> you have been at the border. i have heard you talk about that. i have never heard you use the word invader. >> no. >> i'm telling you what these
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people are saying. the title of the manifesto is the great replacement. i heard that in charlottesville when there was chanting "jews will not replace us," people the president called very fine people. television and twitter are everywhere. if you are a monster and hear the president of the united states say that what do you do? >> i'm not defending all of the president's language on this stuff. if you look at the holocaust where six million jews were killed and hitler basically brought a bunch of people into evil thinking to do what they did, that was way before president trump. this hate for people whether it's religion or race has been since the beginning of humanity. this disgusting animal is evil. if president trump's language triggered him, that wasn't president trump triggering. this is a disgusting person who deserves, i think, to die. i'm not sure what his future is in new zealand.
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>> does the president need to stop -- if people are perceiving the language to mean something does he need to stop using it? >> yeah, again, i'm not going to make the connection. >> you can tell the president to stop using it. >> the president shouldn't use terms like invasion and hordes. that doesn't mean he can't be passionate about the fact that he wants to stop illegal immigration. >> you're as passionate as inin i know and you haven't used the word invader. >> yeah. it is one thing to say change your language, but the connection cannot be made. you cannot make a connection. >> the killer made the connection. >> he also killed people. >> he's absolutely a disgusting animal who is hearing something. i'm telling you what he's saying. >> yeah. >> all right. north korea. we have breaking news on north korea. kim jong-un is suspending nuclear talks and considering new missile tests. the president said he got a
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promise that kim jong-un wouldn't do missile tests. >> here's where the president needs to go. we need to go back to having the stick option on the table. that doesn't mean threatening military option but resuming large scale military exercises, stay in south korea, make sure sanctions are enforced. we have to inflict pain on north korea to make it clear they are not going to do what they have been doing for 40 years down the wrong river with us. >> you were part of a remarkable vote in the house of representatives. 420-0? that's unanimous. >> it is. >> the house of representatives, republicans and democrats want the public release of the mueller report. the house passed the resolution. goes to the senate and blocked by lindsey graham. >> you have to ask him. in my view, america is paying for the mueller investigation. i said we want to know what's in it. >> he doesn't apparently. >> i don't know his reason. it needs to be brought out to the public.
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more seriously injured. the u.s. stands by new zealand for anything we can do. god bless all. let's bring in dana bash and john avlon, senior political analyst. you have been looking through the so-called manifesto that authorities believe at the moment, though these are early hours, are connected to this gunman and he talks about invaders. the language is language we have heard before very close to home. some of the same language the president used in his campaign ad before the midterms. it's just rife with that stuff of someone who just is a white supremacist. >> we need to be careful about what's in here. but the language is all resonant of white nationalist, white identity politics, extremism that goes back to the christian militia movement in the 1990s. there is a flow-through of this. you can see it. some of the rhetoric at
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charlottesville. outside tree of life. it's all of a piece. that speaks to the troubling nature of what we are confronting. not to say there is responsibility for incitement but it is part of a conversation occurring on the extremes in the deeper recesses of the internet. in these identity groups that feel aggrieved that are striking out against feelings of change often directed at muslims and migrants. >> it bubbles into broad daylight. sometimes you talk about replaceme replacement, invaders, birthrights. in the manifesto, it is all over it. >> yes. this is rhetoric we have seen percolating. sometimes it gets picked up by powerful people. when they echo him that has a real effect in people's minds. it legitimizes it. this is what we are seeing in the early hours, this horrific
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massacre in a mask. >> dana, your thoughts? >> it's tough, very tough. you do not want to assign blame as adam kinzinger said to you in the last segment, john berman, to president trump or anyone in particular for somebody who is a nut job and an animal. every other sin no, ma'am you can come up with. but we also have, until recently, become more used to when these things happen presidents to come out and unify and use language of unity and coming together. president trump did that in this tweet this morning. the question is can he and will he do more to bring together -- try to bring together people. that's the opposite of what we saw in charlottesville and the
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opposite of what we see when the political calendar gets close to election day. when he knows what riles up his base and the problem is riling up the base using terms like invaders in ads he tweets out also reaches people who are nut jobs. that's the balance that i think we are all getting at here that everybody hopes he strikes better. >> i just want to be clear. we are not assigning responsibility, drawing the connection. they are. the gunman, the terrorist is the person who brings up how much he likes what president trump is saying. the tree of life synagogue shooter talked about how he likes the language of what president trump is using with invaders. the crazed attempted terrorist who sent attempted bombs to cnn had his van plastered with all
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of the pro trump, pro pence stuff. they are drawing the connection. we are reporting the connection. >> that's right. it speaks to special responsibilities leaders have to consider the impact of their words and rhetoric. you know, sometimes people will just dismiss it as, oh, that's a play to the base, red meat rhetoric. ideas can become actions. there is a special responsibility. i think dana raised the point about presidents trying to unite. it was great the president put out a statement. it would be interesting to see if the white house goes further and expresses sympathy for the muslim community in new zealand. >> you said presidents have a special responsibility. >> all leaders do. >> i would say, oh, yeah? i occasionally read breitbart and i noticed an interview the president did with breitbart using this language. he said -- do we have that? here we go. i can tell you i have the support of the police, the support of the military, the
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support of the bikers for trump. i have the tough people but they don't play tough until they go to a certain point and then it would be very bad. very bad, dana. >> i don't know what to say to that anymore. cut it out. it's just an accident that he said that with breitbart. he thinks those are his people. the world is such everything is connected today. people who are crazy in new zealand or anywhere else in the world can read breitbart. it's something we have to remember as michael smerconish said. everybody with a microphone, especially leaders of countries, especially the united states. >> he took an oath on the constitution to uphold the constitution. that requires a butt residenres
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civil society. when you do the divide and conquer, start to issue implicit threats about the millitarism of supporters that's different. we can't but get into the normalization that says that's his style. it echoes things we have heard in different times. it has a dangerous legacy. it is worth not buying into that, calling it out saying this is deeply outside the american experience to date. also contrary to larger oaths he took to represent the people of the united states. >> as we analyze it, i can't tell if this is loose language or a threat. it's hard to tell when one veers into that. doesn't our antenna need to be raised for that? >> it's loose language and a threat. it is the way he talks, the way he thinks and a message he's
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trying to convey in the quote. unfortunately it's -- well, maybe not unfortunately. it's getting blurred with this horrific slaughter that happened in new zealand. but maybe that's the point here. we are a global community not to sound super corny. everybody is connected. everybody is listening to everything people say, especially people with giant mega phones. >> if you think violent rhetoric has an outcome we ought to tamp down violent rhetoric. defense forces. was this all actually due to a mistake? we have breaking details next. i hear it in the background and she's watching too, saying
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breaking news. israel is blaming hamas for two rockets launched toward tel
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aviv. reports suggest they may have been a mistake. israeli defense forces responded by hitting about a hundred targets in gaza. melissa bell is live at the israel/gaza border with the breaking details. what's the latest, melissa? >> after that sharp escalation in tension, there are a hundred strikes toward gaza from israel overnight. the returned rockets from gaza back to israel really we are seeing a sense of calm returning to the border. i think a calm that both sides are looking to deescalation. the israeli defense forces rather believe this stage is the rockets took everyone by surprise aimed at tel aviv last night could have been the work of some low level hamas operatives. therefore, not sanctioned by the leadership. from the other side what we are hearing, john, is both at the
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weekly protest of defense this afternoon has been cancelled. also hearing from islamic jihad that overnight the egyptian delegation has been working hard to try to bring a sense of calm, bring the tension down within gaza as it seeks to help both sides find some kind of long-term settlement, long-term agreement and peace to the border for the time being. along the border fence, calm returned. bear in mind this was an escalation that neither side particularly wanted at this stage. certainly on the israeli side with just three weeks to go to a general election. >> thank you very much for that complicated story. we'll check back with you. more breaking news. we are learning the captain of the doomed ethiopian airline flight knew he was in trouble almost immediately. the "new york times" reports the pilot requested in a panicked voice to turn back just three minutes after takeoff. cnn is live near paris where the
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black boxes are being analyzed. what have we learned? >> reporter: just three minutes into the flight the pilot radioed back and said break, break, return to home in a distressed voice immediately realizing something was wrong. he said request vector for landing. in the control tower they noticed something wrong with the oscillations, up and down hundreds of feet at a time right after takeoff when a plane should be in a smooth climb towards its altitude. they according to the "new york times" diverted two other flights to make room for ethiopian flight 302 to return back for a landing. a couple minutes later, five minutes after takeoff, the plane crashed killing all on board. look at this chart. this compares ethiopian airlines flight 302 to the lion air crash in october. both flying the max 8 airline.
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the same craft. it shows the same unusual oscillations, climbs and descents. this is vertical speed. this is perhaps part of the information, the data that investigators used to ground the fleet for now. the french investigators have the black boxes now, the cockpit voice recorder. that's where investigators will focus at this time. >> orin lieberman where the black boxes are being analyzed. we'll count on you. students from a hundred nations are walking out of their classrooms in protest today. the message they are sending to leaders next. if you have moderate to severe psoriasis or psoriatic arthritis, little things
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one-girl school strike in sweden, the 16-year-old made headlines by going into rooms full of world leaders and billionaires and calling them out for a failure to act. >> adults keep saying we owe it to the young people to give them hope. but i don't want your hope. i don't want you to be hopeful. i want you to panic. i want you to act as if the house was on fire because it is. >> this will be one for the history books. >> do you think you will be, too? >> maybe. >> reporter: thanks to social media the girls are now connected with young activists around the globe. >> here is the sydney organizer for school strike for climate. >> reporter: she's emboldened by every friend who seeks out her bench, retweets from celebrities
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like leonardo dicaprio. >> we have come to a point where the earth is daying. >> reporter: she devours every viral clip of kids challenging leaders to do something, anything to save the broken planet they'll inherit. >> scientists have said that we have 12 years to turn this around. >> well, it's not going to get turned around in ten years. >> reporter: she said seeing them get dismissed like naive kids only steels her resolve. >> how long will the strike go, do you think? >> as long until the necessary actions to make sure we stay below 1.5 degrees celsius is met. simple as that. >> reporter: simple as that. that means a complete overhaul of the biggest economy in the world. >> yeah. easy. >> reporter: easy peasy. inspired by the youth led march for our lives they are hoping millions of kids across 60 countries make a statement that cannot be ignored.
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>> welcome to the revolution. >> reporter: change is coming. action is needed. whether the grown-ups like it or not. bill weir, cnn, new york city. >> our thanks to bill for that. we want to tell you about a new hln series that donny wahlberg is hosting. don't be fooled. it's not about music or anything really fun. it's about some of the darkest stories ever. donnie wahlberg is here to explain himself next. ing the worst... ...especially when your easily distracted teenager has the car. at subaru, we're taking on distracted driving [ping] with sensors that alert you when your eyes are off the road. the all-new subaru forester. the safest forester ever.
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this sunday hln debuts a new true crime series "very scary people" starting with the shocking truth behind john wayne gacy. >> he would trick victims into handcuffs. >> he would show them a magic trick and put handcuffs on himself. then he'd go around, turn around and take the handcuffs off. >> now the victim is fascinated. how did you do that. he goes, i'll show you. put your hands out.
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so in other words, his victims allowed him to put handcuffs on. once you are in handcuffs, you can't fight back. >> now i'm terrified. >> scary. >> that was really disturbing. >> we are going to escape the scariest of the real world and go into the scariest of this. >> honestly, it is all deeply disturbing. joining us now, the host of "very scary people" actor, singer, producer and director donnie wahlberg. >> captain sunshine. >> i feel like a boy band guy with a show about serial killers. >> i would like you to make the connection for us. i have a fascination as i think john does, with the criminal mind. that was gripping. you seem not to have a dark side, donnie wahlberg. do you? why are you hosting this? >> i don't have a dark side personally. i have a good off and on switch and it always stays on.
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it doesn't turn off. i'm not sure how i went from a boy band guy to this, but obviously i would say my acting career was the bridge. i have played law enforcement officers in "blue bloods" for almost ten years now, "blooomto" before that. i worked closely with nypd detectives and study so much. i try to do a good job and work closely with a retired -- >> you do real research. >> absolutely. it doesn't qualify me to be a real detective. but i think it adds something for the audience, a familiar face who is related to law enforcement in some way that's telling the stories. i'm a true crime junkie myself. >> these people are the worst of the worst. you watch these and try to get in their heads. i'm sure as an actor you are trying to understand the motivations behind it. is there a connection between these people?
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>> oh, man. a lot of people we focus on, one of the connections is they were really well respected in their communities. they were beloved in some instances, which is terrifying. john wayne gacy was respected in the community. people think of him as a guy dressed as a clown who killed people. he dressed up as a clown and appeared at children's parties by day. at night he would go cruising around, pick up young men and take them to his house and do horrific things to them. he was friendly with the mayor, city councilmen. one of the victims escaped and said that's where i was. they said, no, he would never have done it. rosalyn carter was photographed with two or three of the people we feature in the series. jim jones and john wayne gacy while she was first lady. people hide in plain sight. even with what's going on today, not to take it back to this, but
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we just miss so many warning signs. we have to learn more about what makes people do the things they do. we just don't know. there is a switch that turns off on people. it's terrifying. one of the guests you had earlier, the congressman -- >> yeah. >> he said i don't want to know what goes on in the shooter in new zealand's brain. we need to know. we need to know what it is that flips the switch on these people and hopefully shows like this which is certainly not meant to glorify that will somehow help us to get some understanding and some warning signs to look for. >> absolutely. i feel the same way. that's why i like the criminal mind. also, there's justice in this. these guys are at some point captured. >> in some cases. like the nor-cal rapist was just captured and not even convicted. some people don't get caught.
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sadly, in many instances we never know what made them do it. >> great to see you. thank you very much for proving the series for us. you can watch the new original series hosted by donnie wahlberg sunday at 9:00 p.m. eastern and pacific on hln. >> cnn newsroom picks up breaking news coverage now. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. >> good morning to you. a sad one this morning for the people of new zealand. i'm jim sciutto in washington. >> i'm poppy harlow in new york. so much grief, death seemingly fuelled by so much hate allegedly on the part of one man. at least 49 people are dead. 20 others seriously hurt after brazen attacks during friday prayer at two mosques in christchurch. officials and survivors say a gunman fired on everything that moved.


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