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attorneys, and then we will know at that point that they're ready to sentence rick gates. >> look on the bright side, nothing redacted today. we'll solve the mystery eventually. thanks for joining us for "inside politics." erica hill is in for brianna keilar. she starts right now. have a great afternoon. i'm erica hill in for brianna keilar. under way right now, we begin with breaking news. the aftermath of the horrific attack on two mosques in new zealand. at least 49 people are dead, dozens more wounded. a man in his late 20s is in custody, charged with murder. and a racist manifesto believed to be linked to the attack points to the motive behind the massacre -- hate. the gunman opening fire on worshippers who had gathered for friday prayers, and he apparently streamed the attack on social media as it unfolded. cnn europe editor nina dos santos bring us up to speed on
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the latest developments. nina, what more do we know about the suspect, who is charged now with murder? >> thanks so much, erica. we know he is 28 years old and according to australian media, he is a young man believed to be of white origin who was originally from a sleepy town in new south wales in australia. it's believed that he moved to new zealand only recently and that he had recently become involved in far right groups and had recently begun to espouse far right views. and that's evident from his social media posts during which he's made multiple posts targeting muslims, targeting immigrants to both new zealand and also australia as well. we know that he is among three people who are currently in police custody. this 28-year-old man will be the first who will be appearing on charges of murder in a christchurch courtroom as early as tomorrow morning, new zealand time. he appears to have been the main perpetrator, alleged perpetrator, behind this attack, an attack that we now know has left 49 people, at least, dead
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with dozens more injured in hospital. and given the fact that they're suffering from severe firearm injuries, it may well be, authorities have warned, that the death toll could rise from here. erica? >> it is so upsetting, especially when you put it in that context. there is also this social media part of it, though, that is really disturbing, the fact that part of this attack was apparently streamed live on social media, nina? >> that's right. this is something that social media companies like facebook, the platform upon which it was streamed live to, as these events were unfolding, will have to get to grips with as they also try to remove any pictures of these distressing images online. that is a herculean task at this point. this individual appears to have posted live-streamed, by the way, from a camera that was mounted upon a helmet he was wearing on his head, 17 minutes worth of really distressing footage. you can see during that footage him calmly driving up to the mosque, playing music in his car, surrounded by semi and
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automatic weaponry that he then uses to unleash this 17-minute-long massacre. you can see him gunning down men, women and children. injured people who are pleading for their lives. so it's really distressing stuff here. and authorities are urging people not to share this video, not to watch it, because obviously, it contains such distressing imagery. and also, they're concerned that this is exactly the type of attack that is designed to try and incite hatred and counter attacks on the other side as well. so the main message here coming from authorities in new zealand and elsewhere around the world is, is that they stand together with the communities that have been affected by these attacks and that far right violence is something that isn't just a problem for new zealand, it's the first time that it's seen it on this scale, but it's a problem for other countries around the world that they must get together with all of the social media companies to tackle. erica? >> yeah, those are a lot of the questions people want answered today, for sure. nino dos santos with the latest
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for us. nina, thank you. authorities are now combing through that hate-filled document believed to belong to the attacker. a link to the 87-page manifesto was posted online. jessica schneider is tracking this part of the story. what more do we know about the content of this manifesto? >> erica, it's really a hate-filled rant spanning 87 pages, and it spells out the gunman's motivations and really details the logistics and the planning behind this attack. so, this is really an explanation that was posted online minutes before this mass shooting. it's filled with anti-immigrant and anti-muslim messaging. the author identifies himself as a 28-year-old from australia who had been thinking about this attack for the past two years and has been plotting this mass shooting specifically in christchurch, new zealand, for the past three months. and the word that he uses repeatedly throughout this manifesto is revenge, saying he wanted revenge against the immigrants that he called invaders of european countries. he also wanted to intimidate
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immigrants. and he actually says he used guns in this attack to further sew discord and divide right here in the united states when it comes to the second amendment. you know, there was one mention in this manifesto of president trump, where the gunman describes president trump as what he calls a symbol of white identity. of course, the white house has responded to this attack, saying that the u.s. strongly condemns the attack. and of course, the president has also tweeted about it this morning, saying he's sending his sympathy and best wishes to the people of new zealand after this horrible massacre. but erica, this is the first mass shooting in new zealand since 1990. and probably one of the most chilling things that the gunman says in this manifesto is that he chose new zealand as a way to show what is in his words that nowhere in the world is safe. so, a very chilling rant that goes on for quite a long time and details his motivations as well as logistics here. erica? >> chilling.
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jessica schneider with the latest for us. jessica, thank you. leaders from around the world are condemning the massacre in new zealand and speaking out against hate-filled violence. president trump, as jessica noted, tweeting his warmest sympathy and best wishes to the people of new zealand. he did not, however, specifically address the violence and what's behind it. a statement from white house press secretary sarah sanders did, reading in part, "we stand in solidarity with the people of new zealand and their government against this vicious act of hate." robbie ochaudhuri is an author and ibrahim hooper with the council on american-islamic relations. good to have you with us. i was looking at your twitter earlier this morning, and as we have these conversations about what needs to be done and what needs to be said, some of the most important conversations are the ones that are happening in homes around this country. and you tweeted about you and your husband in hush tones, how you were going to have that daughter.ion with your what did you say? >> right.
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well, first of all, thanks for having me. it's unfortunate circumstances to be here. and yeah, the very first conversation that happened in our home last night was what do we say when the children wake up? and this morning as she was eating her breakfast, my 10-year-old, my husband and i were just making silent movements at each other, like should we talk now, should we talk later? then i took him aside and said you know, what we need to tell her is some people were hurt because somebody who was angry, you know, decided to hurt some people. it was very far away from here. it was at mosques, and they were muslims who were hurt, but that the community is rallying around them. law enforcement and government and neighbors are coming together, and a lot of people love us and want to protect us, and everybody is very upset from this. in other words, i did not want her to feel like this incident is reflective in any way of how the greater society feels about muslims in their midst. >> which is such an important part of the conversation, that greater society. you know, we did learn today, a senior fbi official telling us that there is an uptick in
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domestic terror arrests, which does include far right extremists, white nationalists, as we know, white supremacy. we know that mosques are on high alert across the country. sort of to robbie's point here, ibrahim, what else do you need? this isn't just about making sure that the muslim community in this country and around the world feel safe. that is an important part of what's happening today, but what do you need from the broader community in this moment? >> well, if you read the manifesto of this terrorist, he clearly wants to divide people. he wants to spread hate. he wants to spread division. he wants people to be fighting each other to achieve whatever bizarre ends he's seeking. so, the answer is to come together. the answer is to be unified across racial, across eiththnie across religious lines. express solidarity. get to know one another. people of other faiths should go to a mosque and reach out and
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try and meet their muslim neighbors. the muslims in the local community should reach out as they have been for many years to the larger community. you build bonds of mutual understanding. you build bonds of solidarity and friendship, and these attempts to divide us fail, even though we see the violent result. >> do you think those bonds are being built at this point? we talk so much about -- and because it needs attention, how divisive things have become in this country, ibrahim. but do you think those bonds are being built right now? >> unfortunately, we have our nation's top leaders, and i'm talking about president trump, mainstreaming bigotry and bringing bigotry and division as a source of governance. president trump governs based on fear and lies. he governs based on the anti-immigrant invasion that he falsely portrays at our southern
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border and that is reflected in the man chest fest -- manifesto of this terrorist. so we need our nation's leaders, and particularly donald trump, to stop trying to divide us with fear and instead to unify us as past presidents have. >> we know the president, as we mentioned, did offer his warmest sympathies, in his words. the white house did reference this as an act of hate. i was really struck by the words, though, of new zealand's prime minister. i just want to play a little bit of what she had to say. >> any of those who will have been directly affected by this shooting may be migrants to new zealand. they may even be refugees here. they have chosen to make new zealand their home, and it is their home. they are us. the person who has perpetuated this violence against us is not. >> those words, "they are us," how important are they? >> i mean, they're extremely
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important in terms of showing solidarity to the muslim community. but you know, just quickly to ibrahim's point about what's happening at the top leadership right now, i will say that anti-muslim sentiment has been growing in this country since 9/11. it is peaking in more recent years, but it also has something to do with liberal complicity. there's been a lot of silence on the left. it really took the extreme bigotry of this administration to make liberals and progressives come forward and actually accept what muslims for years have been saying, that listen, there is a rise in hate crime, there is a rise in anti-muslim sentiment. take islamophobia seriously. and i would say that is the silver lining coming out of the last couple years, is that there has suddenly been an awareness that, wait a minute, this is an issue, there is hateful rhetoric, and we've been quietly accepting it for all these years. and that's how we got this far. >> and it's not just muslims that are targeted. it's the african-american community, the jewish community, the sick community, all minority communities are being targeted,
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and that creates its own level of solidarity. >> and that is a conversation we need to keep having, to remind people that this is happening to drown that out. rabia chaudry, ibrahim hooper, thank you for joining us today. we will have much more on this ahead. and just a short time from now, president trump expected to make a photo op out of his very first veto against the senate's rebuke of his emergency declaration. plus, north korea threatening to end nuclear talks with the u.s. hear what kim jong-un is saying. and the surprise development in the mueller investigation today involving one of the former trump campaign aides who's been cooperating. why mueller isn't yet ready for rick gates to be sentenced. coun. i need great without the wait. new elvive rapid reviver deep conditioners work fast with no leave in time. 2x easier detangling 2x less breakage than with a leading conditioner. new elvive rapid revivers. start reviving. ♪ do you ♪ love me? ♪ ♪ i can really move ♪
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a short time from now, we will see a first in the trump presidency, a veto. and it comes one day after 12 senate republicans broke ranks to condemn the president's national emergency declaration on border security. our abby philip is at the white house. abby, as we know, the white house putting a lot of pressure on republicans on the phone, on twitter, in person, trying to stem the defections, which didn't work as they wanted, although in looking at what we're waiting for a short time from now, it would seem that the president in many ways is actually relishing the chance to break out this veto pen. >> reporter: well, erica, if president trump had to use his first veto on anything, i think it would be the number one issue for him in his campaign and in his presidency, which is the border wall and border security. and i think that's how the white house is looking at it at this point. this 3:30 event in the oval office is going to be, we've just learned, along with angel moms, these are the parents or
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mothers of people who, children who were killed by illegal immigrants. they've been a mainstay at president trump's events. they're going to be in the oval office with the president as well as law enforcement officers. so, the white house is clearly orchestrating this as an event around law enforcement, an event around border security, and they're using this as an opportunity to hammer that point over. but what we have also been hearing this week is that the white house was trying to avoid a major embarrassment, trying to avoid a narrative that there was a rift between the president and his party on such a crucial issue. and with 12 republican senators voting with democrats on this resolution of disapproval in the senate, it really shows that the disagreement is actually significant. 12 is more republican senators than we often see breaking with him on virtually anything else, and it shows a lot of the discomfort in the republican ranks about what this means for the constitution, for separation of powers, and also for some of the money that the president's
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taking, military construction funds that are being pulled out of their states and being used toward the border wall. but we're not going to hear any of that from president trump this afternoon. he's going to be hammering home this as an issue of boarder security and i think he'll also be hammering him on those republicans who broke with him on this important resolution, erica. >> i would say there is a good chance for that. abby phillip, good to see you. thank you. more time with rick gates, that is what special counsel robert mueller's team is asking for in a court filing today. they sought to delay the sentencing of the former trump campaign official, saying gates is still cooperating. gates pleaded guilty last year to charges related to fraud and making false statements. of course, this comes just days after gates' former boss, paul manafort, was sentenced to an extra 3 1/2 years in prison. kara scannell joins us now from washington. what more can you tell us about this request from the special counsel's office? >> well, erica, as you said, the special counsel's office says that they want more time with rick gates. they're asking for another two months before they come back to
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the court and give them an update. and what it really tells us, there was a lot of speculation this week with paul manafort's sentencing that rick gates' cooperation time might be nearing an end, but robert mueller's team says in this court filing that, in fact, rick gates is continuing to cooperate with several ongoing investigations, plural. so we know that rick gates is still something that is a value to other areas in the department of justice. and rick gates is someone who was not only manafort's longtime business partner, but he was the deputy campaign chairman on the campaign, he was involved in trump's transition, and he was a senior official on the trump inaugural committee. the u.s. attorney's office in the southern district of new york is investigating the inaugural committee, and as part of rick gates' cooperation deal, he has to cooperate with any federal investigation. so we're seeing here, even though it's not stated quite so explicitly, that rick gates' cooperation is necessary, that they're expecting it to continue, and so we'll put this off for another two months before we find out when rick gates' cooperation is wrapping up and when he'll be sentenced.
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erica? >> thank you. more on the horrific terror attacks out of new zealand. mosques in the united states on high alert at this hour as we learn more about the white supremacist's manifesto. plus, chilling new details about the crash of the boeing 737 in ethiopia, including the pilot's last words. a serious development at the plane's speed. ♪ ♪ 'cos i know what it means ♪ to walk along the lonely street of dreams ♪
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new zealand's prime minister calling it one of her country's darkest days. 49 people slaughtered at two mosques in the city of christchurch. 20 people injured as they dodged flying bullets. one suspected gunman in police custody is charged with murder. authorities say it was all a carefully planned terror attack. bliss savage is in christchurch. what's the latest? >> reporter: we've been here since midnight, and up until now, it's been very, very quiet. but now the city's starting to wake up. it's about 6:30 in the morning. new zealand's waking up and having to come to terms with this terrible tragedy. you see a lot more movement around here, a lot more staff coming into the hospital. seems to be a lot of very somber, like hollow looks around here. so that's what we're seeing over here. soon coming up in the next few hours, we're going to have a first court appearance by the 28-year-old man who's been charged with murder, and then of
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course, a few press conferences coming up later in the day, and that's kind of where we're expecting to hear a lot more information. it's been pretty quiet overnight, not a lot of new official information coming in. obviously, the investigation is still very young. but hopefully in the next few hours, we're going to have some more details, not just about what happened here, but about the victims and the people who were really affected by this. we can put the spotlight on them. >> and blis, give us a sense of how this is playing out in new zealand. there is outrage and so much sympathy being sent to new zealand from around the world, but what is the conversation there in christchurch at this point? >> reporter: i think the most interesting thing here is seeing it through people who've lived here their entire lives, because obviously, being an american, you know unfortunately, we've seen so much of this. sometimes i think people can be a little bit blinded to it, but when you hear people talking about it here in new zealand, in christchurch, they say things like mass shooting christchurch
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new zealand. those are words that shouldn't even go together. it doesn't make sense, and it's really just unfathomable for a lot of people. this is a country that not only doesn't have a lot of gun violence, their crime rate in general, their violent crime rate in general is really low. so for something like this to happen is really just, i think, shaken a lot of people. >> tough to wrap your head around on so many levels. blis savidge in christchurch for us, thank you. in a social media post just before the attack, an account which is believed to belong to the suspected gunman, posted a link to an 87-page manifesto, one filled with hate, anti-immigrant, anti-muslim ideas, explanations for an attack. the manifesto wasn't signed, we should point out. jan berger's a fellow at george washington's program on extremism, also co-author of "isis: the state of terror." and just last month, jim, you wrote an article for "the atlantic," talking about the dangerous rise of extremist manifestos and the increase there. what's remarkable, though, is this is not hate speech that is
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relegated to dark corners of the internet and far right extremist blogs. i mean, this is part of -- i just want to read this for you. this was the statement from an australian senator, part of a statement in response to what happened in new zealand who said, "the real cause of bloodshed on new zealand's streets today is the immigration program, which allowed muslim fanatics to migrate to new zealand in the first place." it goes on to say "muslims may have been the victims today. usually they're the perpetrators." how do you begin to combat the hate when it is put out there unabashedly from elected officials in displays like that? >> well, it's a real problem. i mean, we've seen over the last three to four years real mainstreaming of anti-immigrant rhetoric in particular, and anti-immigrant rhetoric is focused on immigrants nominally, but it really is an umbrella that holds a lot of other bigotries underneath it, religious, racial, a lot of
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different white supremacist i.d.ologii.d ideologies will use this language. and when it's in the mainstream like this, it really lifts up the message that they're trying to put out. >> the other part of it, and this is a large part what you touched in your piece for "the atlantic" last month was talking about not only the rise of these manifestos, but the fact that they are more accessible, and social media plays a real role in that, the fact that we're learning this was reportedly 17 minutes of this attack streamed on facebook live. how much of the social media planning do you think now goes into these type of attacks to almost bolster these hateful manifestos? >> i mean, it's a default position for extremists at this point who want to put a message out. and while social media is a very important element of this in terms of initially introducing this stuff into the ecosystem, the mainstream media, us here talking about this material is a very important and arguably much more powerful way that this message gets out.
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>> so you've likened, i know, in the piece putting some of this, publishing manifestos, to showing a beheading video that was sent out by al qaeda, likening both to pure propaganda. as you point out, this is something that we're having the discussion throughout the day here, right? and the news organizations around the world are, as to how much do you report, because you don't want to influence, but you need to inform. what is the role, though, of social media platforms? because to your point, there is a role there, too. so, do we need to be holding them more accountable? >> there's certainly a lot of will to hold social media platforms accountable for this material. and you know, as we go through this process, we solve one problem and two more come up. so, the use of live streaming, particularly the video that the shooter posted, is a particularly useful tool for terrorists and one that we've seen coming for a couple of years. and the video was up for about 17 minutes before it was taken
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down, and it's been redistributed somewhat on social media. there's a lag time. if something is new and hasn't been previously interdicted on the line. so you know, it's a complicated process. i think social media companies do need to continue putting efforts into this. and we see, you know, you can see that all of them are trying to various degrees of effectiveness and various amounts of effort that they're putting into it. >> why do you think there is this rise in manifestos? >> well, they have a copycat follow-on effect. so, in this particular piece, the new zealand terrorist cited previous manifestos by anders breivik in norway and dylann roof in the united states, and he's clearly emulating what he sees there. what's tricky with these kinds of documents is that they're not
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really confessional documents. so for instance, this particular document is really full of things that the author thought were jokes or things that were meant to provoke news coverage in some way that don't necessarily reflect really what he thought or what he was trying to achieve. he was trying to get the maximum bang for his buck and get a lot of headlines going. >> j.m. burger, thank you for joining us with your insight. >> thank you. the president accused of trying to incite violence by warning that his supporters in the military and the police would be, quote, tough. also, we're now learning the pilot's final actions before the ethiopian jet crash, including a mysterious development about the speed of that plane. ( ♪ )
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we are learning more about the tense last moments of ethiopian airlines flight 302, and according to "the new york times," the pilot of that boeing 737 max 8 requested in a panicked voice to return to the airport. this was just minutes after takeoff, when the plane started accelerating to abnormal speeds. on the flight recorder, the pilot was heard telling air traffic controllers, "brake, brake, request, back to home, request vector for landing." once the call came in, controllers scrambled to divert two other flights approaching the airport. former faa administrator michael huerta joins me now. first, what do you think?
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what could have caused that abnormal speed, based on what we know? >> well, the investigation is still ongoing, and there is a lot to learn, but clearly, the pilot indicated that he was in trouble and was trying to get back and the controllers were working with him as quickly as possible to get it back on the ground safely. unfortunately, and tragically, the aircraft did not return safely. >> so, if you were involved in that investigation, though, right now, based on what we have learned, what would your main questions be? >> my main questions would be what exactly was going on in the cockpit and what exactly the pilots were experiencing. this information will become available once the black boxes are read, but there has been a lot of data analysis that's taken place over the last few days about what the flight profile has been for the aircraft and what information was available as they were making the determination of what was actually going on, on that flight. >> in terms of information that
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was available, there's been a lot of talk about why the u.s. was the last major country to ground this particular aircraft. >> sure. >> based on what we do know, do you think the u.s. was too late here? >> well, the faa is a data-driven organization, and what they're really looking for is to determine where there are patterns. now, i wasn't in the room and did not have access to the data that they had, but i'm a big believer that more communication is better than less. and i think it would have been helpful if there had been more communication about what the agency did know and how they were using that to base their decision that the aircraft could continue to fly. >> do you think there's a chance that the faa and the united states somehow knew less than other countries who made that decision long before? >> you know, i can't really speak to what other countries relied on. in a situation like this, the most important thing to do is to
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try to gather factual information, and based on that factual information, to make a decision. it's also important, though, to share that information broadly. one thing about aviation is that no one competes on safety, and the industry has a long history of widely sharing information from country to country, between industry and government. and i think it is important that the industry continue to communicate that information back and forth so you don't have this situation of people acting in different ways. we're always far better if we are broadly sharing information from one country to the next and ensuring that we're working off of the same set of facts. >> and that transparency obviously good for the public as well, just in terms of their own emotions as they take to the skies. does the president -- do the president's ties with boeing concern you at all? >> well, i really don't believe
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that the professionals at the faa would be swayed by politics. the people that i worked with are consummate professionals, and they are the kinds of people that will focus on the data and where does that take us. and so, i think that having open communication between government and industry is appropriate and necessary because if you have that kind of a collaborative relationship, what you ensure is that everyone is freely sharing information. but the faa clearly understands that its role is to be the ranking leader and they care about one thing and one thing only, and that is to ensure that the system is safe. >> just to pin you down on that, then, you are not concerned about the president's close ties to boeing? is that what i'm hearing? >> well, i think that, clearly there is a collaborative relationship between the industry and the faa as the regulator, and that is not a bad thing, because what that sets up is a trust relationship, where
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information can be shared. and when information is shared, what that does is ensures that everyone has more data and can continue to assess the system to ensure that it's safe. i don't think that the professionals at the faa would be persuaded by undue political pressure. i think that what they would want to look at is what does the data tell us and how can we ensure that that is guiding our decision-making. keeping that communication going is extremely important. and i don't think you want to change that. now, you can have a valid argument of whether that collaboration is being properly applied in this instance. and again, i wasn't in the room, but i do believe that the professionals that i know at the faa would really look at this in the context of what's the right thing to do for aviation safety. >> michael huerta, appreciate your insight today.
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thanks for being with us. >> thank you. north korea suddenly threatening to end nuclear talks with the u.s. we'll take a closer look at why. plus, more on the terror attacks in new zealand. we are getting the first reaction from muslim congresswoman elian omar. we have her words next. come here, babe.
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we are getting reaction to the deadly mosque attacks in new zealand from one of only two female muslim members of congress, congresswoman ilhan omar telling us this moments ago. >> love trumps hate. and so, we just have to make sure that we are resilient,
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loving, and that we are creating an environment that recognizes all of our worth. >> she wanted to say muslims should continue to worship, because if they stop, hate will win. congressman omar came under fire recently for remarks that were considered anti-semitic. with two summits in the books, it looks like the united states may be back at square one with north korea. north korea's deputy foreign minister saying the country may suspend further denuclearization talks after what they called a failure at the hanoi summit last month. here's how secretary of state mike pompeo reacted this morning. >> i saw the remarks that she made. she left open the possibility that negotiations would continue, for sure. it's the administration's desire that we continue to have conversations around this. as the president said when he was in hanoi, the offer that they made simply didn't rise to the level that was acceptable, given what they were asking for
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in exchange for that. with respect to what was said last night about chairman kim potentially considering ending the moratorium, i can say only this -- in hanoi on multiple occasions, he spoke directly to the president and made a commitment that he would not resume nuclear missile testing. let's bring in april ryan and white house correspondent for urban neighborhood networks. what is the impact of all of this playing out so publicly. >> it is somewhat ironic that the north koreans do seem to be emulating president trump. this is not something in my experience under two presidents that is recommended. negotiations should happen behind closed doors so that you don't escalate tensions and so you don't box yourself into a corner. what is clear to me, erica, is that while president trump has discounted the analysis from his
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intelligence community about kim jong-un, kim jong-un is relying on a profile of president trump that he's using to inform his team's talking points. the press conference late last night by the north koreans played to trump's vanity. it mentioned political forces here in the united states and it tried to sideline president trump from his own team. it's clear that kim jong-un has studied donald trump as a negotiator and president and that is likely what's driving this public threat and this public display of disaffection in this case. >> we have a lot to get to today. it's a lightning round, which i know you two understand. april, as we look at what is happening in new zealand, the aftermath of these horrific attacks, 49 people killed as we know. dozens in the hospital at this hour, the president offered his sympathies in a tweet, the white house put out a statement. the president stopped short of condemning this as a terror attack despite the fact that
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mercedes schlapp said he did, what are the chances you think that we will hear from the president at 3:30 more on this and he could perhaps denounce this hate and talk more about terror attacks? >> well, let me say this, what i've heard, erica, from my sources is that this white house is very concerned about this topic particularly as the president's name was named -- the president was named in the manifesto by the killer, but the white house is trying to find the words and the right words. they don't want this to be another charlottesville where, you know, it took five or six tries for them to get it right. he needs to come out with a firm punch and say it and say it succinctly and clearly and he condemns and there's no room or tolerance for it. this white house is trying to figure this out but they have had people tell them already a while ago, you know, when the president first came in to stop the rhetoric because it is
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permeating in this nation from these -- these beautiful grounds and gates in this nation and now overseas and i remember the congressional black caucus met with the president about matters of what he says out of his mouth and how crazy people take this and he had to stop it. they called for him to stop then, if you remember, that conversation. we will see what the president has to say if indeed he will say this later on today. the hope is is that he will condemn it and call it out and go further with that and maybe just totally change how he's dealing with things. that's a hope. >> you were shaking your head at the beginning of that answer from april and you told me briefly in the break before that in terms of counterterrorism policy 101 it's actually very simple and you are not seeing it in action. >> president trump has given white supremacy a cutout when it comes to international terrorist threats and domestic terrorist threats. the first step in devoting resources and countering this problem is clearly articulating
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what it is. i worked on counterterrorism policy under two presidents. in those situation room meetings, unless you admit who the adversary is, the president is not at liberty to speak with his team about what resources can be appropriated to deal with this problem. the president isn't just me, he's not just you, eesz not april, he is unique in the respect that he has the power as president of the united states to identify a threat and then to appropriate resources to match it. his words are one thing, but what he's also going to do in terms of those resources and not using words that incite violence are perhaps more important. >> how much of that was the focus of the conversations that you were having with some of your sources, april, that it is broader than this and the larger impact in terms of what can they be done after the language? >> what is sad we haven't heard about resources. it was more about the words. what will he say? we're waiting with baited breath to hear what the president has to say because he's gotten it
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wrong for so long as president and even when he was candidate trump, but the problem is, is that if he says something without condemnation, a firm condemnation where there's no wiggle room, you know, people would question it and once again it leads people to wonder if he, you know -- will he support white supremacy? is he a white nationalist? all of those -- he's got to come out and call it out and if he adds resources to help new zealand, that would be an a-plus plus for this president. >> april ryan, samantha vin owe grad, good to talk with you, thank you. new details on this attack including the white supremacist manifesto that appeared on social media. i'm here to let all these folks know how easy it is to save money on their car insurance with geico- oi oi oi set the pick! kick it outside!! shoot the three! shoot the three!! yessssssss!!!!!!
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