tv New Day Weekend With Victor Blackwell and Christi Paul CNN March 16, 2019 3:00am-4:01am PDT
easy. awesome. 49 people lay dead as the prime minister addressed the gunman directly. >> you may have chosen us, but we utterly reject and condemn you. >> in a very eerie and unfortunate echo he used the same words to talk about brown people. >> we're on track for millions of aliens to rush our borders. people hate the word invasion, but that's what it is. >> do you see today white nationalist as a rising threat. >> i don't really. >> he's been dog whistling to white supremacists since his campaign began.
work has begun here to inspect the so-called black boxes that would give investigators a far better insight as to what happened to the pilot on board the plane as well as what was happening to the plane itself. >> announcer: this is "new day weekend" with victor blackwell and christi paul. good morning to you. we're covering a lot this morning. top story now is 28-year-old branton harrison tarrant has been charged with murder in the killing of at least 49 people in two mosques. police say more charges are coming. he was remanded in custody during an appearance in christchurch court sunday. >> and the reason he's blurred is because the court has instructed us it do so. "the new york times" reporting investigators say new evidence gather ted crash site now links the ethiopian airlines disaster to that other accident with the same model of boeing
jet. we're talking with experts in the aviation industry throughout the morning to find out if these planes are truly safe. and what do we do now. also true to his word on twitter, president trump has just signed the first veto of his presidency, blocking a congressional bid to block his border wall. we begin with you, though, in new zealand. police are now asking to hear from witnesses of that deadly shooting. >> let's go now to cnn international correspondent ivan watson in christchurch. ivan, good morning. what you have learned? >> reporter: well, it's shortly after 11:00 p.m. here. new zealand is a country in mourning right now, after the deadliest terror attack in this country's modern history. at least 49 people killed when two mosques, not far from where i'm standing right now, shg, a
morph and linwood mosque teared during prayers. dozens wounded are here at ci christchurch hospital. the investigation focuses on the 28-year-old branton tarrant, an australian citizen who was arrested with five guns in his vehicle, expels improvised explosive devices. and some of the eyewitnesses of the terrifying moments when so many lives were claimed and destroyed has been sharing those frightening moments with cnn. take a listen. >> heard it and it was from the main entrance of the building. and everybody just running towards the back doors just to save themselves. >> could hear screaming and crying and i saw some people
were, you know, dropped dead. >> all my friends lying down in a pool of blood. one was shot on his head. one was shoulders. >> and just jumping, people running outside. to see what was going on as they just ran away. >> i tried calling the police. >> sorry, it's just been something just to see my son is alive, but he's not answering his phone. >> reporter: now, victor and christi, branton tarrant, new zealand police say, was apprehended some 36 minutes after they received the first emergency call. and he was brought to a court here in christchurch on saturday morning, where he was charged with murder. authorities say he will be charged with other crimes as well. there are two other suspects that have been arrested. they're probably being questioned. and we don't have their
identities yet. we do know that branton tarrant had traveled extensively, internationally, he had no prior criminal record, neither in his home of australia, or here in new zealand. he had traveled on multiple occasions to turkey. turkish officials tell cnn they are looking into what he was doing, during extended visits to that country, to try to fill out a broader profile of this suspect who has been linked to extremist right wing white nationalist innuendo, at the time the attacks were carried out. meanwhile, we've seen many shows of sympathy and grief here in christchurch and in other cities across new zealand. i saw a candlelight vigil here in front of the hospital, within the past couple of hours. and complete strangers, embracing each other, on the
walk. a sign that an attack on one community is an attack on all new zealanders. victor and christi. >> ivan watson, thank you so much for bringing us up to date there. well, a right wing senator for australia got some pushback after blaming friday's attack on muslim fanatics and immigration policies. and the 17-year-old boy didn't like that, and this is what happened. >> what i said was that terribly unfortunate thing, a tragedy. it's going to be eventually accepted or expected that these sort of things happen. when people are getting attacked in their own -- >> okay. you one seeing things there. the teenager smacked an egg on the senator's head. you saw the senator fight back.
the boy was led away by police. he's reportedly been released. a fund-raising page has been set up to cover the teenager's legal fees and to, quote, buy more eggs. >> during an event in the oval office yesterday, when he was asked about the terror attack, the president said this. >> do you think the white nationalism is a rising threat around the world? >> i don't really. i think it's a small group of people that have very, very serious problems. i guess if you look at what happened in new zealand. perhaps that's the case. i don't know enough about it yet. they're just learning about the person and the people involved. but it's certainly a terrible thing, terrible thing. >> joining us now daniel lip mann, he's the co-author of political playbook. good morning, daniel. >> good morning.
>> let's start with the president's understanding of white nationalism and what the facts tell us about white nationalism, and violence related to white nationalism. what do we know? >> so, fbi statistics show that these types of hate groups have -- these attacks have increased 30% in the three years to 2017. they haven't released those 2018 statistics yet. and so, and just by reporting, you know, the anti-defamation league, you read those reports, they're horrifying. the southern poverty law center shows that there are over 1,000 white hate groups in the u.s. and i did reporting early on in the trump administration, dhs has these anti-domestic extremism grants, in the obama administration. and they ended the one grant that they had for an anti-white hate group, you know, trying to
stop these groups from fomenting violence. and so, that was very concerning when i did that article. >> and you wrote about this. i'd like you to talk about how these white nationalists, white supremacists hear the president's equivocation when he speaks about what happened in new zealand and other attacks like it? >> i think, you know, we don't know exactly what's going through their heads, but they take that as encouragement a little bit. but they sometimes view that they have an ally in the white house. and, of course, the president condemns these attacks. but he doesn't seem to do it as forcefully, or as generally as, you know, one might hope. and he doesn't also talk about the exact groups that were
targeted when there are muslims attacked. they did not release -- say things like, you know, i call for all american muslims to feel safe in their communities. he just talks about the overall term "hate." so, it's let to former president barack obama and michelle obama to actually try to reassure our american muslim friends that they should not worry that these attacks are going to happen here. >> we should also point out that the president's adviser and daughter ivanka trump, she tweeted out a message speaking directly to the muslim community and using the word unlike the president. he didn't mention mosque specifically. and there seems to be, daniel, a consistent trend here when the perpetrator is a white
supremacist or white nationalist, the president seemingly doesn't know, or even the mention of white supremacp t supremacist, and even when asked about the law in the white house, he had he hadn't really red in on it. after charlottesville, he said he was waiting to get all of the facts. that really is the hallmark of this president. and on david duke, he said he knew nothing about david duke, although he had been on tape earlier talking about david duke. how does that align when the president speaks about the attacks and they're not white supremacists, and they're brown people? >> yeah, they repeatedly condemns illegal immigrants when they commit crimes in the u.s. and he seems to know all of the facts about those types of incidents. an it kind of reminds me of some
of his former top staffers get indicted or charged with crimes, in the mueller investigation. he says, i barely knew them. you know, he tries to distance himself. he says, you know, when he gets criticized from steve bannon, he says, you know, he didn't -- bannon came on late in the campaign. so, it's kind of this pattern of disclaiming knowledge, and doesn't seem to be that curious that he is going to get asked about this question so he's going to dig into this. because in a week or so, the media will move on, and there will be a new controversy that we're covering. so we're not going to follow up, mr. president, have you read that manifesto? what's been your response? you've had a week to do that. >> daniel lippman.
thank you so much. there is new reporting from "the new york times" this morning regarding the link between last weekend's crash in ethiopia. and an earlier crash with the same model jet in indonesia. what a piece of wreckage showed may have contributed to that crash. plus, states of emergency in the midwest, saome severe flooding leads to dramatic rescues. and screams could be heard from a middle school parking lot. look at this. nearly 70 teenagers fight with school officials and police. we'll tell you what happened. i landed.
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>> now, according to the "the new york times," a piece of this boeing 737 they found shows the pilot may have been battling an automated system in the minutes before the crash. that information comes from two sources with knowledge of the operations. >> joining us now, cnn analyst oren liebermann. oren, good morning. what are you learning? >> reporter: the piece that the "the new york times" is talking about is what's called a jack screw. and it was found in the ethiopian airlines flight 302. the jack screw is the stabilizing at the tail of the airplane. and the position according to the "the new york times" would have forced the stabilizer to put the plane in a nose down position and caused the airplane to go very fast and to dive which is unusual after the takeoff. and, of course, incredibly dangerous. the question becomes why was the stabilizer in that position. it could be pilot input, it
could be the autopilot or what's known as the mcast system. an automated system to help a pilot avoid a low-speed stall. that position is from the lion air crash back in october. the system was apparently triggered by a faulty sensor reading. now, the question is is it that same system that forced the plane down in the ethiopia airlines crash. that will be an answer. and perhaps that question is be here when they're looking at the black box and the data. we know the work on the flight data recorder which has the parameters and readings from the instruments of the airplane, that began yesterday. cockpit voice recorder work in the cockpit itself started a short time ago.
that data could be downloaded by the end of tonight or sometime tomorrow. and then it's a question of analyzing that data and learning the story of what happened on board that flight. was this in fact the same mcast system from the lion air crash, if so, that could be a major blow to boeing. that's where it stands at this point. the investigators from the ntsb and faa are here in this building as they pull that raw data down from the black box and flight box recorder and give the analysis which gives the real key here. >> still a lot of work to do. oren liebermann, thank you. president trump promised a veto that blocked the national declaration to build the wall. and he signed the veto saying this. >> i have the duty to veto it. and i'm very proud to veto it. plus, the impeachment debate, should the democrats start impeachment proceedings in
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to overturn the veto on march 26th. sarah westwood is live at the white house. sarah, do we know if the house has enough votes to overturn that veto? >> good morning, christi and victor. it's unlikely that the house will have enough votes to overturn the president's veto because, remember, just 13 republicans broke ranks aimed at it. and there be another shot in this battle between congress and the white house in executive power. so, president trump tried to frame the vote as a focus on border security. but obviously, democrats and some republicans viewed it as a vote on constitutionality. still, the president in the oval office, defended his action and said he was proud to veto this resolution. take a listen. >> there haven't been too many that are bigger emergencies than we have right at our own border, consistent with the law and
legislative process designed by our founders, today, i am vetoing this resolution. congress has the freedom to pass this resolution. and i have the duty to veto it. and i'm very proud to veto it. and i'm very proud, as i said, of a lot of republican senators that were with me. >> now, ahead of the vote this week, the white house had pressured republican senators to vote against the resolution. the white house viewing it as a loyalty test for republicans, whether they would stick with the president. whether they would break ranks. obviously, a dozen senate republicans chose to vote with democrats against the president's use of the national emergency in what amounts as a major rebuke of trump attempt to get wall money. but it does appear that his invite toe will be withstood by any attempts by congress to try to override it.
>> thank you. democratic house speaker nancy pelosi said impeachment would divide the country and president trump is not word it in her words. and i togethalked to the senior tour at "the atlantic." >> those aren't charges that will be largely loud. if the speaker gives her that action, by not using it she's distorting our politics. >> so, david, you say that the voters should decide. 22 months until the next inauguration. if democrats believe and some in the house do, that there could be a continued threat, why wait? >> well, the first thing you have to understand about impeachment, it's a political process. it's not a legal adjudication. it's not the application of law to facts. so this is a political process that would begin at some point
in the future after the mueller report is released and will last for a very long time. for month after month after month while a political campaign, while a presidential campaign, is ongoing. and that would be, one, extremely divisive as speaker pelosi indicated. and number two, would leave open a question that the president's defenders would ask that i think would be quite compelling to the american people, which would be why not just let the people decide. >> david, let me quote your writing in "time" magazine where you say that impeachment by the house is an exercise in few tilt, because the republican-led senate would not convict, or remove the president. there's some house democrats who say that their diligence should not be incumbent upon the senate. and you say to those members, what? >> well, essentially, then what is the purpose of the exercise? if the purpose of the exercise to lay out in detail that you believe the president is not fit
for office, if the purpose of the exercise is to lay out and detail the president's wrong doing, you can do that without an impeachment process. and you can do that without further inflaming already intense divisions in the us.s. we have 1 in 5 americans according to recent polling who believe their political opponents have subhuman characteristics. we're in a moment of terrible polarization. and i feel like in the political calculus, we have to think is this, a, is this the right thing to do legally? and b, is this the right thing with an election looming. >> and you answered that question that david is posing you write the question of whether impeachment is justified should not be confused with the question of when it's likely to succeed in removing the
president from office. explain that. >> well, david is right to speak about polarization. it gives us a framework and divisions in our society that we ought to put this debate in a rule-bound process where the evidence can be aired and witnesses cross examined. it in the ascension of that kind of debate which is feuding it. certainly, impeachment would be a contentious process. but it gives us some benefits and it's important to take those benefits equally seriously. most importantly with a society marked with convention and rules and says, this is simply not a question of popularity. you have to go to 2020 and imagine what voters will think in 2020. presidential election is a binary choice. it asks voters in some case these days to choose the lesser of two evils. many voters can go to the polls fully convinced that this
president has committed felonies, fully convinced that he's not fit for office and yet pull the lever. the congress has to step in and say this man should not be president of the united states, not because of his policies, not because of his views or beliefs, but because of his conduct. if they do that, that frees voters to go in 2020 to choose between two candidates who are capable of discharging the office. >> yoni, you also write, you explain the democrats' inintendatiin trepidation that they don't want to turn it into an impeach "monday night football," is that what we're seeing today? >> that's what it is with the future. and walked it back by republicans. but they're taking a wrong lesson. one lesson, don't simply bring that on the floor.
go through the process. believe in the process-believe some the ability to lay the evidence out before the american people. house republicans rushed the process. they heard from liberals and voted. and that was the wrong way to do it then and wrong way to do it now. if you look at it clinton is anomalous. if you think that those actions are anationlogous. then it's the wrong place to turn for guidance. we've seen other presidents, andrew johnson, richard nixon, they have succeeded in shifting the public opinion against the president by shifting it away from the president's provocations and towards his abilities, towards his abuses of powers, towards the things he's said and done. that is a big part of the process. it didn't work with clinton because that wasn't the focus of the clinton impeachment, and
there weren't hearings. >> david, how about that? >> well, you know, one thing, yoni makes a very good point about the power of hearings. the hour of presenting evidence. but everything that he just discussed, about the ability to hold hearings, the ability to present evidence, the ability to bring these witnesses in front of the public for them to judge credibility in front of all of our eyes, all of that can happen in the absence of an impeachment proceeding. we just saw this with the cohen hearing that was extreme -- a moment where people could take a look at someone saying, the things that they'd heard about and read about, but to see a person actually testify to it has its own power. all of those things can happen without a formal attempt to remove a president in the middle of a presidential campaign. one of the things, i think, that is important to understand about the nixon and clinton impeachment proceedings, both of these occurred in their second terms. after the voters had an
opportunity. when the voters didn't have another opportunity to weigh in on the conduct of these presidents. here, the voters have an opportunity to weigh in on the conduct of the president directly. which i believe is a preferable, particularly in this political moment, preferable to attempt to remove. it almost certainly would fail anyway. >> despite what we heard from nancy pelosi, this certainly will be a question that the democrats continue to wrestle with. thank you both. >> thank you. >> thank you. this week's bomb cyclone might be gone. but, oh, my goodness, the flooding, that is getting really dicey now because of it. we'll have the latest in the cnn weather center. stay close. plus, uc berkeley is one of the colleges named in the admissions scandal. now, they're considering revoking admissions officers and promoters over the scheme. how students and parents and other schools are responding. aí. first, we go to san marcos, costa rica.
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there's no question that admissions scandals were in massive disproportion. i'm one that has a soft spot for the students involved here. perhaps some of the students knew, perhaps many didn't, i think it's demeaning, demoralizing enough. but now to start revoblging diplomas from them, kicking them out of classes. we're talking 18, 19, 20, 21-year-old young men and women. i think, certainly, as it relates to them, if they earned their education once they were in the school, then i think that education needs to be respected. i think many will disagree. that's their prerogative. when we start revoking things from students that have their lives ahead of them. we need to deal with the root core of the problem, if you get to that, the parents, administrators, coaches, everyone involved, i think we do a great service to moving this forward. >> there's a mom in california who wanted do what you just
talked about, jennifer coy, she's a former oakland teacher and a single mom. she's suing lori loughlin and those named in the scandal for $500 billion. she was outraged because i feel my son, my only child was denied access to a college not because he failed to work and study hard enough but because wealthy individuals felt it was okay to lie, cheat, steal and bribe their children's way into good college. what evidence would she need to prove? would she have had to apply to one of these? >> indeed, christi. yeah, indeed. just taking it back for one minute, i think a lot of people share her sentiment. certainly as a person myself who has just gone through this process with my son. you go through -- it's not even a process when you apply. it's a life long process, right, what they're doing in terms of their academics and doing well. getting cultural experiences that make them more attractive to colleges.
athletically, getting on varsity teams, debate teams, all of the things you do to sort of get your children online to get looked at by the colleges you want them to. i think the sentiment is shared and certainly hurtful for everyone who has done it the right way. on the merits of the legal argument there's many things to come. the first thing is as you indicati causation problem. no matter how good your child is athlet athletically, it's so competitive. there are so many impressive young men and women, the core issue would they have been admitted, but for the scheme, we don't know that. the second thing, because of the valuation, the reason people engaged in the scheme is because of the name, the reputation and respect these colleges have. i don't think perspective employers are going to be so shallow to say, oh, you graduated from stanford and yale
because your parents are rich. >> joey, i want to clear that up because those are two different lawsuits. the other lawsuit you're talking about is from two stanford students who are asking for compensatory damages, punitive damages, restitution and other relief because they believe perspective employers may question whether they were admitted to school only their own merits. is it a fair assumption to believe that you're going to seek employment and somebody is going to say, oh, you're from the school, your degree is not worth as much? or do you really have to wait for that to happen before you can make that claim? >> yeah, that's the problem, christi. and the problem is it's speculative. i think that, you know, there are employers out there who know and recognize that cleati inches on unfortunately. i hope they would look at individuals, as opposed to putting it in a whiide net.
look, employers are shallow and may recognize that. but i think to that point, you do have to wait to determine whether or not something happened against you. and, yes, there are two different lawsuits, one in which the actors are being sued for what they're doing. and in that regard, it's hard to hold them accountable, again, not defending their actions, terrible thing which they did, but they engaged in a process that was rigged. and that process needs to be examined. and that's what needs to be tore down. not those people who will be held accountable criminally. and as to the other suit which you talked about separate the students talking about their devalued degrees. i think there are many problems with that, including the college itself was shown not to know, right? it was a major corporation that was taken advantage of it. it's an uphill battle. criminally, i think there will be a lot of accountability. civilly, that's a whole separate question. >> joey jackson, we value your
expertise. thank you so much for being here. >> thank you, christi. >> absolutely. victor? get to higher ground now. that was the warning to people in nebraska as historic floods came through. look at this, all of this water, this flooding could last for weeks. we'll get the latest from the cnn severe weather center next. . for the only fda-approved otc weight loss aid, try alli®. i'm missing out on our family outings because i can't find a bladder leakage product that fits. everything was too loose. but depend® fit-flex feels tailored to me. with a range of sizes for all body types.
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more than 10 million people are waking up to flooding, and a flood warning this morning. in the midwest, historic flooding along the missouri river is just getting started. this could last for weeks. look at this. >> oh, what a mets. flash flood warning has been issued for several counties in nebraska. omaha has managed to clear the state of emergency in the eastern part of the state. officials were very clear, get to higher ground.
but look at wisconsin, a state of emergency there as melting snow led to floods and at least 300 people had to be evacuated. >> allison chinchar joins us from the cnn weather center. allison, how long do you expect this to last, some communities just get through? >> yeah, it's going to take weeks i say that pleuramrupleu . we're not just talks small rivers and creeks. these are hundreds of rivers. take a look here, all of the dots you see here are the gauges of rivers overflooding. over 300 at flood stage as we speak. 50 of them are at major flood stage, okay? and about a dozen of them are already at or expected to be at record levels in the coming days. here's why this is happening, okay, you've got what's called snow melt. typically in march, temperatures
start to get warmer, and all of that snow begins to melt and goes into those rivers, creeks and streams. even though this is something that happens every year, this year is different because there's so much extra snow. take minneapolis, for example, they're about 20 inches above average for the season. so that's why you're having so many problems with the snow melt. but it's not just the snow melt, it's saturated soils, so many cities farther south like des moines, omaha, even st. louis, they had rain over the winter. that's what's causing this. when you have communities just inundated with water. you can also get what's called ice jams and that's pushing water into these communities. even streets and homes, saying i've lived here for 30 years of my life and i've never had flooding like this. that can happen in scenarios like this. you have creeks that have turned into lakes. and that's a problem going forward. as we mentioned all of this
water, victor and christi, eventually flows south, so mississippi is going to get water in the next couple of weeks. but in some places like st. louis, memphis and eventually like new orleans, it may take as much as a month for those areas to crest. >> wow, allison chinchar, thank you so much. so, listen, you're going to want to see this video. police in washington state had to wall for backup after a fight outside of a middle school basketball game turned into an all out brawl. we'll show you more and tell you what happened. biopharmaceutical researchers. pursuing life-changing cures in a country that fosters innovation
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