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tmeds.com now. i want to welcome to our viewers in the u.s. and around the world, you are live in the cnn newsroom, i'm anna cabrera in new york. this week, new zealand a nation in mourning. just days since the worst act of gun violence there. and the death toll has just gone up. this is the public outpouring of sadness and disbelief in christchurch. police officials just announced that now 50 people are dead. all of them shot while attending friday prayers at two separate mosques in christchurch. dozens more people were wounded by gunfire. some of them children. the accuses gunman, a 28-year-old australian sent a
long hate filled manifesto to the prime minister's office just minutes before the deadly court attack began. he's charged with murder and more charges will definitely follow. this is how the shooting suspect was taken down by police on friday. a half hour after the shots first rang out. we're going to go live to new zealand now and cnn international correspondent alexandra field. the country's police commissioner just spoke to reporters with the awful news that another victim died. >> yeah, this news is certainly weighing heavily on the minds and hearts of everyone in this community. it is sunday morning in christchurch, we're at one of the memorial sites that has sprung up for the victims of this terror attack. the feeling of shock is still palpable here, the heaviness, the weightiness of all of this being felt by every person in this community. we've seen signs posted along the way here like stay strong or
we stand with our muslim brothers and sisters. that's really the message that's being delivered at this time of deep grieving. we're hearing from the police commissioner that the names of those who were killed in the attacks have been shared with the families. family members are also waiting for the bodies of their loved ones to be returned. at the same time, we're hearing more about what it was like inside those mosques when the terror unfolded. >> the guy shot at me, but i dodged down, so he missed me, and then i run back to the mosque and tell everyone to go to the ground because there's someone with a gun. i'm going to shoot everyone. everyone went to the ground and he started shooting through the windows. >> i saw the bullets on the wall, the man came inside and we couldn't do anything -- i smashed the window. people were after me, and we
went to the backyard. >> after the gunshots stopped for a few minutes, we could see people in the backyard of the mosque milling around. and they were upright. they went running. we were sort of walking around, there was wailing going on. >> and there is still so much mourning this morning, the new death toll as you mentioned, 50 people, 50 others injured, among them children, even a 2-year-old. >> that is so sad, all. the result of one lone gunman according to police. alexandra field, we know you're going to continue to stay on top of the investigation. and the community as they respond to this horrific act. 50 people were injured in those mosque attacks. two are still in critical condition. police in new zealand are focused on finding answers. one item at the center of their investigation. the alleged gunman's manifesto. page after page of hate and white supremacist language. cnn senior national
correspondent alex marquard has more. >> reporter: 87 neatly form ated pages of ranting about immigrants, minorities and muslims. more than 16,000 words of the 28-year-old who says his name is bren don tarrant posted on social media shortly before the attack. the attacker repeatedly caused immigrants invaders and says immigration must be crushed. and like other white nationalists he claims there's a again side of white people underway. >> jews will not replace us! >> it's the kind of tomorrowic message heard in charlottesville and from dylann roof. the new zealand shooter references roof's attack. brevick is held up as an inspiration. >> these are people who i would describe as having extremist views that have absolutely no
place in new zealand. and in fact have no place in the world. >> the u.s. president is also referenced once called trump a symbol of renewed white identity. he doesn't consider trump a leader. the suspect claims to not belong to any organization and decided to carry out the shooting, which he admits is terrorism on his own. an attack he says that he had been thinking about for two years and chose the targeted mosques three months ago. he expresses no remorse for those he planned to kill, even the children. with white nationalism growing in the u.s. and in europe, the gunman points to a number of global events that fueled his hate. including a terror attack in sweden's capital in 2017 when an asylum seeker plowed a truck into a crowd killing five. >> new zealand is usually a calm and peaceful place. that's why the gunman chose to carry out the attack there.
to show that nowhere is safe. as for the choice of the weapons used in this slaughter, he said it was made specifically to rile up the debate here in this country, over the second amendment. cnn, washington. the new zealand police commissioner says more charges will be filed against the suspect in this case. his next court appearance is scheduled for april 5th. joining us now with more on the investigation, contributing op ed writer for the new york times. former fbi special agent. synagogues are closed today, we know there's heightened security at places of islamic worship. i'm wondering how is the muslim community feeling today. how are you feeling today? >> thursday night is when i heard, i'm sitting in virginia, i get a whatsapp message, he reads about 49 people who are
killed. juma prayer is friday prayer. early afternoon, kids, family members, you take everyone, you go, you hear arabic in the background your kids are running around. you have some falafel. that's in new zealand. i'm sitting in america, and an american father says to me, how will i keep my kids safe? why? this affects all of us. the memory is fresh from october when a shooter with the similar type of fear and ideology, he said, i want to punish any group that is bringing refugees to invade our country. i'm going to go in, screw the optics and i'm going to get them before they get us. he killed them in a synagogue. the shooter in new zealand references the shooter in quebec, a white supremacist attacked a few years ago, this affects all of us. this is a globalized ideology of
hate. all of these white power movements, all of these white nationalist movements, they're anchored by an ideology that says the white man is superior. the jews are the head of a kabul that are use iing blacks and muslims to overpopulate us. he used the word invasion several times. you know who else used the word invasion? donald trump. >> just yesterday. >> in fact. while trying to be presidential. >> i am kind of -- at a loss of words when you think about where we are in this world right now. after an attack like this, is there a heightened risk of copycats or greater threat of another terrorist taking action? >> yes, absolutely. and i do think that both law enforcement and facebook did the right thing by trying to take down videos that then
inadvertently if not consciously glorify the violence and might encourage that. i want to point out with regard to what was just said with regard to this being a globalist ideology opinion i think that law enforcement in the united states should start thinking about this as an international terrorism ideology. the way we do with other extreme ideologies. we continue to think of white nationalists, kkk is kind of domestic threats. and you don't have the same investigative -- or terrorism -- anti-terrorism tools to fight that in a way you do, when it's considered an international phenomenon. >> i agree -- i made a reference in an an algs for authorities to understand. violent extremists, whether they join al qaeda or white supremacists, they share the same dna. the same factors, agrieved
people, angry, dislocated who find purpose in community online. that's where they're radicalized they find an ideology that gives them a sense of purpose. these people think they're heroes. he thinks he's saving western civil lace. no gray area, right? us versus them, it's very similar and it's a global infrastructure, the ideological infrastructure of white supremacy is thriving on line. they use it to recruit, radicalize and target. we have no problem going after isis and al qaeda, there's a double standard, when the suspect is muslim, media covers it 7 times more than when it's a white suspect. look at the labelling, lone wolf versus terrorist. we're failing from the top down. donald trump is completely impoe ten the when it comes to white supremacist and putin. he can't even say terrorist.
he hasn't yet. the new zealand shooter, his manifesto is called the great replacement. what were the white supremacists in charlottesville, the jews will not replace us. donald trump said, very fine people. we need to name it, prosecute it, and we need to have an equal standard. >> it's not just president trump, though, who are making comments as you point out. i mean, just today in fact, we have the interior minister in italy saying this. the only extremism that deserves attention is the islamic one. that was his response when he was asked of attacks that took place in new zealand could happen in italy. what's your reaction to that? >> it's just wrong. i mean, from a national security and international security perspective, it's simply wrong to not understand the commonalities as we just heard
from them. and remember that social media and the internet has really changed the landscape. there are no longer boundaries, in terms of disseminating this ideology, these platforms are made for virality, to increase the circulation of them. and it's also designed to keep people online as long as possible. so when you have people who are not engaged in their community or their church or sports or their friends, the people that are online all the time are people -- precisely the people that are going to be the most vulnerable to finding a community -- an extreme community of one kind or another, and getting sucked into that vortex and potentially committing violence. so, you know, one kind of extreme versus another, making distinctions is really not helpful from a legal point of view. >> asha rangappa, thank you for
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read reviews check hotel prices book things to do tripadvisor president trump is again facing criticism for his response to a deadly hate attack. the world learned of the slaughter of 50 people by an avowed white supremacist in new zealand. >> these sacred places of worship were turned into seas of evil killing. you've all been seeing what went on. it's a horrible thing. i told the prime minister that the united states is with them all the way. 100%, whatever they need, we will be there. >> white nationalists are a rising threat around the world. >> i don't really.
i think it's a small group of people that have very very serious problems, if you look at what happened in new zealand, perhaps that's the case, i don't know enough about it yet. they're learning about the person and the people involved, it's certainly a terrible thing. >> joining us now, a professor at princeton university. michael, why can't president trump directly call out white nationalism? >> you know, that's a good question, anna. it has evident since at least charlottesville when he struggled obviously to call out the neo-nazis in charlottesville who were chanting such horrible things about jews and others, and he only was able to kind of condemn them in a sort of -- everybody's equal kind of way, condemning the counter protesters as well.
and what we've seen time and again is that the president doesn't affirmatively go out and try to condemn this kind of hatred, when the synagogue attack happened a while ago, the jewish leaders in philadelphia said look, you have to come out and we don't really want to you come here until you come out and condemn this kind of hatred, and he didn't. he ended up going anyway, but this is just the latest example of his hesitance that i think leaves everybody skrooching their heads. >> as a historian, you studied past presidents. how should a president respond. what words should he say after horrific events like this. >> part of this is to show his empathy with the people who suffered and were killed. but then a president needs to be resolute about the problem at hand. and we've seen president trump do this with other sorts of problems. president clinton after the oklahoma city bombing in 1995, which happened here in the
united states lots of love for the families that lost loved ones in building. followed through on that by trying to crack down. that's what a president needs to do, not wishy washy, not tweeting about other matters right after this event happens. >> is there risk of going too far? president clinton was criticized in response for calling out conservative media and tieing that to what happened in oklahoma. >> there is a danger, but he stood by that, the danger of rhetoric is something that needs to be taken seriously. it was one of his most important speeches, he said we can't ignore what words do. especially when they come from reporters and politicians. and now i think that problem is even greater. so i think even if there is a risk of some kind of backlash. president clinton showed it was
actually the right call. and the situation's gotten worse. >> we don't have to wait to see how the president's view differs from some of the democrats looking to replace him, let's watch amy klobuchar and cory booker in iowa today. >> in this country we may look different, we may pray different. we may love different. but what unites us is this shared belief in our dreams for america. it is the same part of the world where you have a small group of people that actually doesn't want to see other people that don't look like them in this nation and in this world. so it's our job to stand up against that. >> this viral evil is not -- what happened in new zealand. this is a scurge of humanity. bigotry and hate, we need to know that we are more in danger
right now -- >> is this going to be the driving theme of democratic contenders in the coming days? >> i think it's going to be a driving theme, what they want to do is draw a contrast between themselves and the president and i think julian's right, there's an affirmative responsibility for any president to look at what should be said. this president in particular has his own rhetoric to deal with. his own past rhetoric. this isn't a president who has been neutral about this subject. and an incident happens and he has to say something. this is a president that uses many of the same phrases, much of the same language that white nationalists use. in the manifesto that this shooter made. he talked about an invasion of immigrants, people pouring across the borders in europe. those are exactly the same phrases the president uses i think the democrats understanding that people have seen that kind of rhetoric are
trying to do anything they can to distinguish themselves. ultimately, one of them is going to have to run against the president. and that distinction is going to be important to building the case for voters to vote for them and not for him. >> julian, i want to change the conversation just slightly, and stay with 2020. we have another candidate that joined the race this week, beto o'rourke. you have a piece on cnn.com exploring risky versus safe candidates. who's in your risky category, safe category, how did you define them? >> i put in the safe category joe biden who i think many democrats see as the person who could probably beat president trump. klobuchar has taken that lane as well as one of the safer candidates. the ones who are seen as risky, beto is one of them.
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just doesn't have. because the faa doesn't have the resources, federal agency tasked with making sure new airplanes are safe is allowed to outsource inspections to delegated organizations. or oda. which are designed to perform the authorized functions of the faa. who are they? this case, they are boeing employees hired by boeing, paid by boeing to oversee boeing. >> not a mischaracterization, the fact is, through the organizational designate d authority, they oversee their own people with how they get this airplane manufactured, the faa has very little if anything to do with the actual manufacturing of the aircraft once it's been approved to be manufactured. >> boeing and other manufacturers oversee certification of aircraft, engineering design, manufacturing, operations and maintenance on behalf of the faa. the faa says it does oversee
that work, telling cnn, teams of faa engineers and inspectors conduct regular oversight of an oda to assure any approvals or certificates issued meet the faa's strict safety standards. the faa considers these designees an arm of the faa. in light of recent crashes and concerns over a redesigned boeing plane. the oda program may need an inspection of its own. >> i do believe it's time to relook at this and to see if the activity or involvement between the involvement between the faa and boeing is enough. >> inspectors hired by companies would have inadequate qualifications or a history of poor performance to approve certification projects. another report found the faa cannot be assured it has the right number of people in the right places to oversee the
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others had. so people needed to be trained on it, and it -- they weren't. there's questions of how the faa improves the manual that didn't include any mention of the mcat system. >> boeing got back to us, telling cnn, even though it does employ its own inspectors. the company insists boeing employees serving in this capacity act independently on behalf of the faa when performing in this role. drew griffin, cnn, atlanta. a rebuke on the border, 12 senate republicans blocked trump's emergency declaration. is this a sign of republicans now breaking from the president? you're live in the cnn newsroom. the way they subscribe to movies. we don't follow the naysayers. ♪ ♪
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reverse his national emergency declaration to fund the border wall. matt lewis is a senior columnist at the daily beast and a cnn political commentator and alex stewart is a republican strategist and also a cnn political commentator. you wrote an op ed praising the 12 republican senators. you wrote it a rare instance of congress showing it self-to be strong and willing to stand for itself against the executive branch. the vote is going to come up short, why was this so momentous to you? >> first of all, i don't know if democrats would have done this, if president obama did something kind of similar like this with dreamers. where he had said i can't -- i'm not a dictator, i'm not a seizer, i can't just make this sweeping immigration decision. and then you later did it. i don't remember a lot of democrats standing up to him and saying that's wrong, that that's unconstitutional that that went against separation of power.
>> it's different than the national emergency declaration the president did. this president -- current president trump has done a number of other executive orders that republicans haven't stood up to and said, no, you can't do that. >> no, look, i do agree that this is worse than what obama did, i think it's somewhat similar. my point is this, the fact that you have 12 republicans who courageously stood up and said, no, mr. president, i don't care that you're republican, this is wrong. i think that's a step in the right direction. >> do you agree with matt that they really sent a message here. >> they sent a message, however, the problem with that is that the president was within his lawful authority to declare a national emergency. it's within the president's discretion to use powers of emergency. you may not like it, but it's the president's discretion to
determine what the national emergency and he did so. >> you don't think those republicans agree with you, a lot of them agree that there needs to be something done about immigration. however, they said this is beyond the president's power. >> they certainly obviously we have different views on this, or they wouldn't have voted in the way they did. the problem is, a lot of them have spoken with many of them. they feel as though this sets up a precedent for future presidents. if the next democratic president comes up, he could use his executive authority to make sweeping changes with regard to gun control or the like issue. the reality is here, the president is using his lawful authority to declare a national emergency. look, i never thought mexico was going to pay for the wall. i wish we had had bipartisan consensus on how to secure the border, how to go about building a wall or making sure that we have safe -- along the border as well as sweeping immigration changes. we haven't gotten there. if the president was ever going to flex his veto muscle.
this is the issue to do it. >> why do we -- >> this is his signature campaign issue -- >> why do we have a congress, though. >> if the -- >> why have a congress, though, right? it doesn't matter if he's a good idea or a bad idea to build the wall, donald trump went to congress and said, give me the money to build the wall. they said no. he said, okay, i'll shut down the government if you don't give me the money. they said okay, shut down the government. then he said, guess, what i don't need congress. if he didn't need congress, why did we go through six months of asking congress. why have a congress if the president can declare emergencies and do what he wants? >> you're right. this is the president's signature issue. he couldn't get republicans to go along with him here. >> you absolutely need bipartisan cooperation to get this done. we would have gotten this done during the first two years of
his term when we had republicans in control of the house and senate. why do we have a congress? we have a congress so they can get things done. we can all agree, we need to secure the border, we need immigration reform. we also protect -- >> the majority of americans don't believe the border wall is necessary. matt, when you talk about the 12 republicans really breaking with the president and what a courageous move that may have been. you look at the list here, and only susan collins is planning to run for re-election. the rest of them aren't running for re-election in 2020. how big a risk was it for them to stick their necks out. >> i think that tells you all you need to know about how courageous a vote was. it's dangerous. >> ben sass is someone who should have been on the side of the constitution, should have been on the side of separation
of powers. i think he caved in, and the argument maybe it's a plausible one, he had to, right? you look at thom tillis down in north carolina. wrote an op ed in the washington post a couple weeks ago, talking about how unconstitutional this move was. he ended up backtracking and completely caving. why? because he wants to be re-elected. it's not a popular thing to do to go against the president. most voters think we elected a republican president. and we elect senators to be a rubber stamp to do what the republican president wants. i happen to think that congress actually is a -- maybe even superior branch of government that has the power of the purse, that gets to decide whether or not to spend money. that is a novel notion in the republican party and the conservative movement these days, sadly. >> matt lewis, alice stewart, good to have you with us. always appreciate when we have different opinions too. especially when you're both conservatives. the president is ramping up
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we have new information this weekend on the steele dossier. former british spy christopher steele admitted he used internet searches and unverified information to support details he gathered about a web company. he verified some information he took, including polling from a user generated citizen journalism initiative operated
by cnn ireport, all this as president trump once again slammed the dossier on twitter, calling it the fake dossier paid for by hillary. now, it was a conservative website funded by a major republican donor that first hired the firm behind the steele dossier, though the dnc and clinton campaign later helped pay for its research. several allegations in the dossier have been verified. but not all of them. watch. >> new evidence about how russian intelligence might have exploited a private web hosting company, a russian technology entrepreneur in an effort to trick democratic targets into giving up their passwords. the fruits of those hacks formed the basis of the wikileaks e-mail dumped that foiled the race.
>> the scope of our investigation was to conduct a technical investigation to determine the >> the 35-page dossier by british spy, christopher steele played a role in the hacking operation under duress from fsb. they have denied involvement in the hack and sued buzzfeed for that portion of the dossier. it does not show he or his company knew anything about the company servers. an attorney tells cnn special counsel, robert mueller indicted the 12 responsible for the hacking. they are the folks responsible, not us. >> what we determined is there were 16 specific and unique instances which we could tie
infrastructure or affiliates to significant malicious cyber activity. >> it does not address the more explosive campaigns, that they colluded with russia in 2016. >> the fraud, the fake dossier, the phony dossier. >> reporter: robert mueller's investigation as well as committee probes co-ob rated aspects of the dossier, including the claims the russians tried to develop a closer relationship with trump offering lucrative business deals. >> zero, nothing to do with russia. zero. zero. >> trump's former fixer and attorney said they were negotiating a potential deal about building a trump tower in moscow with efforts continuing as late as summer, 2016, as trump was clinching the republican nomination for
president. trump now brushes the project aside. >> this deal was a very public deal. everybody knows about this deal. i wasn't trying to hide anything. when i run for president, that doesn't mean i'm not allowed to do business. i was doing a lot of different things when i was running. >> despite the claims of little to no contact with russia prior to the victory and inauguration, at least 16 trump associates had contact with russians during the election or the presidential transaction. one took place, june 2016 at trump tower in new york. they all met with several russians who offered dirt on clinton. vladimir putin, himself, admitted one of the allegations in the dossier was true, he preferred trump win rather than hillary clinton. >> translator: yes, i did, because he talked of bringing the u.s.-russian relationship back to normal.
>> it's important to note other parts of the dossier have not been verified including michael cohen traveled to prague in 2016 to meet with russians to cover up the meddling. cohen denied this, including recently, under oath, to congress. >> thanks to pamela brown. the massacre at two new zealand mosques are showing how serious right wing extremism is around the world and as vigils and memorials continue, a member of the community will join us next. live in the news room, don't go anywhere. there's little rest for a single dad,
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the death of a parent is a trauma that leaves a lifelong impact on children. after losing her dad at 14, mary struggled until she dpot help in her 20s. for nearly two decades, she's dedicated herself to making sure children don't lose their lives to unresolve grief. here is why she is this week's cnn hero. >> my name is bella and my dad died. >> kids in grief are kids at risk. time does not heal all wounds. time helps, but it's what you do with that time and what you need to do is mourn. >> when you hear other people's stories, it brings comfort. >> that's why a place like imagine exists to give children a place to mourn their loss and find out they are not alone. >> to meet the families mary is helping and to nominate someone you think should be a cnn hero, go to cnnheroes.com.
you are in the "cnn newsroom." i'm ana cabrera in new york. people around the world and new zealand are shocked and saddened by the deadliest act of gun violence, ever there. the senseless killing of 50 people. this is christchurch. in public, the nationwide mourning of victims shot dead while attending islamic services at two different mosques. police announced the new higher death toll. again, 50 people killed, another 50 are wounded. some of them children as young as 2 years old. inside a courtroom this weekend, the alleged shooter, charged with murder. he is a 28-year-old australian. officials say he announced his