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successful in everything they do. >> great to be with you. >> 47. for more on this conversation, you can down led to podcast. this weekend, the people of new zealand are in mourning. still deeply in shock just days after the worst ever act of gun violence there. the official death toll just went up a short time ago. official confirming that 50 people are dead. victims of a terrorist rampage friday. they prayed in two different mosques in christchurch. dozens more were wounded. some of them children. some still in critical condition. we learned the accused gunman, a 28-year-old australian, sent a long hate-filled manifesto to
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the prime minister's office moments before the attack began. he is now charged with murder. awful news that the death toll went up by one. tell us how the people are bearing this unimaginable weight. >> it is. especially for the people of new zealand. they have always considered their nation to be so safe. away from all the violence that seem to have impacted the other parts of the world and now they can no longer say that. the center of christchurch, the botanical gardens. people have tried to come to grimes with what has happened in this relatively small country. 50 people who have died and 50 who are wounded. it was not that somebody passed
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away that was in hospital. apparently there was one individual who was unaccounted for in the count. there are still 38 people who remain hospitalized. and then this is a day of not just mourning but hearing about the heroes. and more and more there are heroes brought out. one man who was inside the mosque of the second attack. and he decided to act. he acted in a number of ways, trying to draw the gunman's fire on himself. trying to lure the gunman out of the mosque into the parking lot. and at one point, he was even able to peggy up one of the gunman's discarded guns and throw it through his wind shield. here is some of what he said. >> he dropped his gun. he just ran.
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because i think he had, he tried to get more gun from his car, when he seen me with a gun, i just got that gun and throw it like an arrow and blast his window. he just drove off. >> just a really remarkable story of someone who decide rather than wait, he wanted to try to do something to stop the gunman. let me show you some of the scene here. the botanical gardens here have become a new kind of garden that's springing up. people bringing all kinds of floral displays. in many cases, they're bringing the children and their families. a garden of grief, i guess you could say. it is also a place where people are coming together as both a community and a nation. you can probably see over here. it just grows and grows and grows. people leave mostly flowers but
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notes, in some cases, they leave mement mementos. it has been a steady rain falling but the crowd continues to grow. it is a way of sharing. it is a way of trying to come to grip with what is still very much a shock. >> our hearts are very much with all of them. thank you for that live report. joining us now james galliano and the chairman for the oregon coalition against hate crime. he is extensively studying hate crimes and racist extremist groups. thank you for being here. first to the investigation. what do you think is happening? >> we learned this man, the attacker i believe attacked one person, had been manning this for two years. >> absolutely. no matter how numb you think you can document these horrific
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scenarios, how calloused you are. the amount of depravity that took place. just soul shattering. law enforcement has to separate that. and they have to get to the job at hand. the most important thing, we know that the shooter is in custody wrflt there any others, the tip of the iceberg is that shooter. that person. but underneath that are the accomplices, the potential accomplic accomplices. the people who believe in that ideology. no matter what the issues are. we have to track those folks down twoefl monitor those folks. we have to mop or the in the darkest recesses of the web and we have to make sure there are no follow-on plots. >> we know there were three others taken into custody in the hours after this horrific attack. one was released. no charges. two as are facing charges. we do not believe the two others
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who were facing charges were attacked in any way. an 87-page manifesto sent to the prime minister's office. the attacker also built sbeem his plan. he had been streaming this attack live on facebook. what does this tell but the mindset of this alleged attacker? >> i've been talking to these people over 30 years now. in a way, more than. that i grew up in a klan town in georgia. this attracts people with sociopaths. it gives them a place to put all their anger. he shot children 3. and 4-year-olds. a 4-year-old boy named abdullah. the same age as my daughter. a certain type of personality drawn to this hate. we look at the manifestos. we can do the diagnosis fairly easily and see how their
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psychology works with their anger and the world. >> in order to share intel about international terrorists, but james, is it for international? >> you've got the uk, canada, new zealand, we share everything. military intelligence, signal intelligence. we know the fish has 5,000 open terrorism cases. in that domestic terrorism, you've got kkk, white supremacists, black panthers, sovereign how do we find out who is serious online and who is not? and social platforms are trying to stop these events from live
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streaming which is what happened here. we cherish our first amendment and our privacy protections. how do we match that up? new zealand is about the closest to our level of permissive gun society. our second amendment here. australia is much stricter. new zealand, not so much. how do we make sure we protect all those rights and civil liberties and not turn it into a police state. >> and tracking on the web. you mention. how does this type of attack differ in the trauma. >> not tonight immediate victims have longer lasting trauma but the members of those communities. that spreads far and wide across the globe. i was at a memorial service yesterday it really affects community. poem are full and fear and
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anxiety and fear. that come up and it adds to the division within communities. people cannot sort of have the normal cohesive fabric the communities have. they're so full of fear over who is on their side. who the next attacker will be. and it just jumped mines all the good work. we'll have to wrap it there. as always, it is really nice to talk to all of you. thank you for sharing your expertise with us. a community leader is the lead coordinator for the women's organization of the muslim association. she is joining us now from christ church, new zealand. thank you for being here. my could not dole egss to you, your entire community.
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give us a sense of how the muslim community is coping with the aftermath of the tragedy. >> theship community is surviving. we are taking a deep breath after getting a list of the dead. and this morning we're coordinating to begin releasing the bodies to be prepared for burial. people have been able to sleep for a few hours and now we're preparing for a very tough day. >> we have seen leaders and from all around the world showing solidarity. condemning this attack and the anti-muslim hate behind it. yet you have some far right leaders who are using this to attack muslims. what is your reaction to that?
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>> our reaction is more asking the leaders who are leading nations and are leading the communities to stand up and be the examples of what quality leadership is. to not support people like this. but also, to put some action to their words. it is good to say the right words but more important to do the right thing. when you see somebody doing something wrong. on the street, in a classroom or whether it is in your own parliament. you need stand up and say, no, it is unacceptable. and you need to tell everybody in your community how a good person behaves. this is not what a good person does. >> i love what you just. . it is that sim. mr. standing up for what is right. treating others how you want to
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be treated. given that this is anti-muslim attitudes out there, what do you think needs to happen? what do you want beyond people standing up against this type of thing? how do you break this? >> well, you start recognizing that muslims no different than any other person. we love, we care, we work, we support, and there are 1.7 billion muslims in the world who have been working very hard for many years with little support from other communities. you need to recognize, we're your neighbors, your doctors, we're educated, we support you. instead of creating us as an other, we are you. you should treat us like your brothers and sisters.
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look again at the good we've been doing and recognize just like this person clearly had some mental problem. you know, we've been ostracized and you wouldn't want that to happen here and it is the same thing that we would ask that you haven't done to us. we are now becoming in my pen what that in the 1930s in europe to the jews. we are now that new hated community. and we shouldn't be. >> sorry you feel that way. are you afraid? >> no, i'm not afraid. new zealand actually is, has been one of the most peaceful countries in the world. the most transparent country in the world and ironically the most islamic country in the world. in 2010 going forward, research was done on how compliant new zealand is to islamic values. we have been a very subtle
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muslim community here and i am very safe here. you will see people walking by me. i just came to this spot and people have been tapping me on the shoulders and supporting me and i'll not afraid of new zealand. i am afraid of hatemongers in other places who are bringing that hate here. we hear what's in your voice. thank you for sharing your thoughts with us. >> thank you. >> here's how you can help the victim. new zealand terror attacks. we'll be right back. this is not a bed... it's a revolution in sleep. the sleep number 360 smart bed, from $999... senses your movement and automatically adjusts on each side to keep you both comfortable.
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joe biden, if he was good at the political tease before, he's really perfected it now. as speculation continuings to swirl about whether he will jump into the race, he just wrapped up speaking at a democratic party fund-raiser dinner in dover, delaware. his home state. and the people who introduced him i'med up his run even before he took the stage. watch this. >> i've worked on every one of his campaigns and i told him a few weeks ago, i have one campaign left in me for him. >> i'm confident 598 days from now, we will be celebrating a new president. i am praying for that man and i am excited to hear from him just a few minutes from now. and i am confident that's our vice president joe biden. >> in my humble opinion, we have never needed joe biden more than we need him right now. >> the cnn political reporter is joining us now from dover.
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clearly she wants him to run. what is joe biden saying? >> he walked up almost to announcing. you heard the other delaware democrats urging him that he should enter the race. take listen to what towed tell the crowd when he almost let it slip that he is going on jump in the 2020 race. >> i said the new left. i have the most progressive record for anyone who would run. of anyone who would run. so you heard him say that he was talking about anyone who would
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run. the former vice president offered a bit of a preview of a message co-bring to a presidential campaign saying that the nation has currently engaged in mean and petty politics and that americans need rise above that. and remember who they are as a country. he was saying this is a battle for the soul of america. we'll see if this was just test driving that. we'll see if there's any further message in an announcement in a few weeks. >> all right. glad you were there. the reaction of the people in that room was interesting. all right. robert mueller might have new plans for one of paul manafort's former aides. we'll break it down for you when we come back.
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special counsel robert mueller made a key reveal on friday about one of his star witnesses. mueller is not done with paul manafort's long time right hand man, rick gates, who is still cooperating in several ongoing investigations. mueller's team says. his office says he's not ready for sentencing. they said check back in 60 days of he was gates' deputy campaign manager, a senior official on the president's inaugural committee. let's discuss it. so michael, could this mean gates is helping investigate the finances? >> absolutely. the bad news for president trump and those who wish him well are
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that the gates case is gone going and that includes several ongoing investigations. that could be the inauguration. he was the deputy campaign chairman. it could be related to the campaignering with don't know if it is new york state, it is not good news for the president that this case is ongoing. >> we do know one of mueller's top prosecutors is leaving the team. steve bannon once referred to him as the lebron jail of money laundering investigations. what does this signal to you about the focus of mueller's investigation? >> so weissman was the lead prosecutor on the manafort case. he also appeared in the gates case. it makes some sense that weissman would leave now manafort is done federally. and that he would pass this over to greg andres, his deputy, to
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continue with the gates part of the case. it could therefore be that wiceman is leaving or it could signal that mueller is indeed winding down and he's losing one of his key guys because there's not much more to do. we were just discussing that gates' case has not wrapped up yet. michael flynn, the information he gave to prosecutors is still being utilized in some way. although they did say they would be ready to move on. do you think mueller has abandoned efforts to interview president trump? >> would it appear so. it would seem to me if at this point in the case, all we have is written questions and answers and we see no indication that mueller is moving toward a subpoena, either he can't win a subpoena fight or doesn't want a
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subpoena fight, order feels he has all the evidence that he needs because the president has been pretty cooperative in making others available for interviews and in turning over documents so mueller can feel, i have all i would have gotten if i had an interview so let's move on and close this down. and let this be handled by those that i passed off the chat ral cases to. >> what are the chances we see more indictments? >> i think we will see more indictments for sure out of southern district of new york. out of the manhattan district attorney's office. we just saw at this time day after manafort's sentencing. i think there's still stuff that will be investigated with respect to the trump organization. the financial crimes investigation. i don't know if we are completely done with the so-called collusion part of the investigation. that is, mueller's counter intelligence and coordination
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mandate. that seems like it is winding down but he's been pretty tight lipped so we're guessing. >> you mentioned paul paul manafort who was hit by these new charges by new york prosecutors. moments after his final sentencing in federal court. when combined with the first case. do you see any potential double jeopardy argument in the charges brought by new york state prosecutors? >> possibly. double jeopardy usually means you can't be tried by the same sovereign twice. here you've got two sovereigns. the federal government and the state government. usually that does not violate. if the evidence in the final convictions will be the basis for the state trial, then i think manafort has a good double gem case.
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remember manafort was found guilty on a few thing but it was houng a lot of things. if it is the hung information that is the basis in the state case, then they have the better argument for it. we don't know what is overlapping and what it is that's different. >> 50 people killed. 50 others wounded. an update on the shocking mass shooting in new zealand next. staying at hampton for a work trip.
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36 survivors of the new zealand mosque shootings re9 in the hospital. two in critical condition. a 5-year-old girl was shot in the face, abdomen and leg. she is in serious condition. the suspect remains in custody, charged with murder. all this as new zealand grieves
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for the 50 people dead from this rampage. a terrorist rampage, apparently fueled by hatred of muslims and immigrants. for his part, president trump expressed his sympathy but he also down played the threat posed by white nationalism. >> take a listen. >> these were turned into evil killing. you've all seen what went on. it is a horrible, horrible thing. i told the prime minister the united states is with them all the way. 100%. whatever they need. we will be there. >> white nationalists in a rising threat around the world. >> i don't really. i think it is a small group of people with very, very serious problems. if you look at what happened in new zealand, perhaps that's the case. i don't know enough about it yet. they're just learning about the person and the people involved. but it is certainly a terrible thing.
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a terrible thing. joining us now, democrat everything senator tim kaine, a member of both committees. he is with us from colombia. thank you for taking time. i want to get to what you're doing there. first we just heard from the president. did he say what he needed to say in the wake of this tragedy? >> no, he didn't. he needs to call out white supremacy. what unified shooter in the charleston church? what motivated the shooter in the pittsburgh synagogue? what motivated in new zealand? it was a white supremacist and bigoted ideology that's a threat. when he says he doesn't think it is a significant threat, that's what he said after charlottesville. in my virginia, when a paralegal was killed and two straight troopers lost their lives trying to bring order to a situation
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where white supremacists and neo-nazis descended upon charlottesville, it is a major problem. he should call it out. if he doesn't, those of houston believe in safer communities, we need to call it out. >> but tragedy has once been put the spotlight on immigration. the attackers' manifesto was filled with anti-immigrant, anti-muslim ideas. talked about, quote, invaders, for example. and then yesterday, the president made this comment about many of the people trying to come into the united states. >> we're on track for a million illegal immigrants. people hate the word invasion but that's what it is. it is an invasion of drugs and criminals and people. >> nothing is in a vacuum, senator. what do you see as the impact of a statement like that? >> well, when the president calls people coming to america's border invaders within the same
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few hours the manifesto has been released by this horrific criminal in new zealand talking about invaders, this kind of language from a leader in a great nation in the world causes massive problems around the world. we need tamp down that rhetoric. the president should know that he has to call out white supremacy. he should be doing that. he should be expressing sympathy to the muslim victims of these crimes. he didn't use those words as he reached out. clearly they were targeted because of their religion. we are a country that respects a diversity of religion. to muslims anywhere, to people who feel they're persecuted because of their religion. leaders have to take seriously this white supremacy movement in many nations. leaders have to fight it. >> you're on the border with
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venezuela. a country that has been experiencing violence and the blockade of humanitarian aid. are you hopeful? >> i certainly moment happens in venezuela. i can look a few hundred yards and see the bridge of unity into venezuela. here from the u.s. and other nations, the dictator has closed the bridge. we can't get it across inside the country. people are coming to soup kitchens and to get the small scale help with the ngos and the help of many nations. we should be delivering aide
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into that country. it is a disaster and humanitarian catastrophe. thank goodness the national assembly of venezuela has recognized that there is an absence of a legitimate president. acting pursuant to the constitution. they have elevated to the status of interim president, the leader of the national a semible. the u.s. and 55 other nations are supporting that use of the venezuelan constitution and are looking for ways to not only support the new government with the humanitarian aid but support the lack of people with lack of food, look of water. now there's a blackout in venezuela without electricity. we need to be providing all the help we can to the new government to get this aid across the bridge so people can be helped. >> our thanks. as we continue to cover the investigation boo the christchurch attack, i want to remember the victims.
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the 50 people who were murdered as they gathered for friday prayers. he was 50 years old. he lived in new zealand for seven years and he taught at a university. both he and his 21-year-old were killed in this attack. he came to new zealand last year as a refugee to syria. he went to the mosque friday with his two sons. one of them just underwent a six-hour operation in the hospital. he was born in afghanistan but moved to new zealand more than 40 years ago. seeking asylum. he had five children. four sons and a daughter. we have some information about how you can help the victims of the new zealand terror attacks. just log on to building a better bank
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a new clue today in the wake of the ethiopian crash that killed 157 people. "the new york times" reports there's evidence suggest go the pilots battled the automated system. if that's true, it would represent a troubling link to another air disaster involving the same type of plane. here's more. >> work here is moving forward on the so-called black boxes from either openian airlines. we've learned from the spokesman that the work is progressing. if all goes well, it may be done
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by the end of the weekend. downloading all of that raw data and then begins the analysis. the understanding of what was happening not only on board with the pilots but also the aircraft itself, its systems and mechanics. according to the new york time, a piece of evidence at the crash site in ethiopia may very well link in crash to an aircraft in october in indonesia which used the same 737 max 8 aircraft. that piece, according to the times, is a jackscrew. it sets the position of the stabilizer on an aircraft. it was found in a position at the crash site that would have had the stabilizer put the plane in a nosedive position. that would force a may not to go very fast and force an airplane to dive which right after takeoff is very unusual and very dangerous. the question, why was it in that position? it could be from pilot input. it could be from auto pilot. but it also could be from the system, an automated system designed to help a pilot avoid a stall that would put an airplane
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in danger. it is that system that is under investigation in the lion air crash. if it is the same system here, it may indicate a wired problem across the aircraft and how will they find out if it was that system? that's behind me and that's the information on those so-called black boxes. on the flight data recorder and on the cockpit voice recorder which is why the work happening behind me at the french aviation investigators so crucial. oren liebermann, cnn. >> record flooding hitting parts of the midwest and the water continues to rise. the worst flooding in 50 years is being fueled by the powerful bomb cyclone that just hit the center of the country. its moisture is being added to the seasonal snow melt. take a look at branebraska. at least 37 people were rescued. many regions still remain under flood warnings. the missouri river is two feet above its flood stage and still
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rising. the missouri highway patrol is tweeting road closures. >> a breakthrough today in the execution style murder of a mob boss. new york police announced a arrest of 24-year-old anthony cumellow. no charges yet, but fingerprints left at the scene led to his arrest. reputed crime bross francesco franky boy cali was shot multiple times in front of his staten island home on wednesday. he died at the hospital. police are are still working on a motive but believe the shooting was not related to the mob. >> congressman ilhan omar made history when she became the first somali american sworn into congress. she's al one of the first two muslim women who are serving in congress, but that groundbreaking moment is now being overshadowed by her comments on israel. many of her own constituents, jewish and muslim alike, are frustrated and angry. sara sidner has this story. >> when david duke of the ku klux klan agrees with you, you
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are not doing something right. >> mohammed voted for minnesota house representative ilhan omar. omar jamal campaigned for her. like representative omar, they are somali refugees who became american citizens in her minnesota district. seeing her, the first somali-american voted into the house of representatives, was the epitmy of the american dream realized. >> it was beyond imagination. history has been made. >> then came her stream of comments. february 10th when responding to a tweet about being chastised for politicians for comment about israel, she said it's all about the benjamins, inferring it was being influenced by supporters of israel. on february 27th, she said something and later tweeted something which many took as questioning whether jewish americans' loyalty was to america or israel. >> i want to talk about the political influence in this country that says it is okay for people to push for allegiance to
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a foreign country. >> what do you make of her comments? do you see them as divisive, as anti-semitic? >> i think, yes, i see them as anti-semitic. this is anti-semitic, no doubt about it. you can equate it for us muslims with the sharia law issue. >> ahmed says muslim americans' loyalty is often questioned and she should know better. during all this, former ku klux klan grand dragon david duke sent a tweet with a heart emoji about omar. duke is referring to israel by calling it zog, for the zion occupational government. >> one can be critical of israel without resorting to anti-semitism. >> some of her constituents are hurt and worried. >> it's consistent with things anti-semites say. the piece about allegiance to a foreign country, we use the word, i use the word appalling. it's appalling on its face. the accusation, the canard of
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dual loyalty against jews has a long and ugly history. >> steve is with the jewish community relations council. he said he met with representative omar the week before her allegiance comments. he showed her a photo of his cousin he said was killed fighting for america in world war ii, after he and other jewish leaders talked, she made the comment that worried them most. >> really scary, really terrifying to see this is the words of one of our potential elected officials representing us on the national level that it really drove to the heart of the fear for many of us. >> at a local coffee shop in her district, her supporters say they do not think she's anti-semitic. >> i think we're throwing baby out with the bath water here if we just tear her down as a really incredible political leader that she has been. and basically turn this into a smear campaign against her. i think that's a huge mistake. >> omar has apologized for some of her comments and explained
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herself. >> when i talk about places like saudi arabia or, you know, israel or even now with venezuela, i'm not criticizing the people. i'm not criticizing their faith. i'm not criticizing their way of life. >> what has many worried is whether the controversy is distracting her from governing. >> i feel like we have basically bigger problems that we need to handle collectively. >> do you think she's able to govern after these comments and after the controversy that is happening? >> it's going to be very difficult. if anything else, this will do some disservice to the constituency. >> we're exhausted. she's only been in congress for less than three months and we're exhausted. >> exhausted by the controversy he believes is distracting from other pressing issues in her district. sara sidner, cnn, minneapolis. >> and that does it for me and this hour of cnn newsroom.
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