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camerota and john burm man. >> good morning. alysy is off and erica hill joins me. cnn lawyers expect to have an opportunity to review the version of the report attorney general bill barr submits to congress before it reaches lawmakers. they want the chance to claim executive privilege over interviews drawn from white house officials. this could set up and will set up a legal political battle that could go all the way to the supreme court. that means two justices nominated by president trump could help decide the fate. something the public will see today, a redacted version of the search warrants that led to the fbi raid on president trump's personal attorney, michael cohen. the questions of the barrage
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of angry posts made over the weekend, those remain. according to the "new york times" no one in the white house knows what set the president's off. george conway, close to one of the president's closest advisors, kellyanne conway, kellyanne disagreeing with her husband. his approval rate rising. 42% approve and 51% disapprove and the lowest share to do so since he took office. joining us, good to have all of you with us this morning. it's sort of like a smorgasbord where do we begin on all the little nuggets this morning. david, i find it interesting there's been so much attention once again on the conways, based on george conways' tweets. we learned a little bit about
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their marriage in the "washington post." and interesting we even have kellyanne conway saying something. does this go anywhere? how much does it read into it. >> conway clearly doesn't like the president. >> you think? >> how did you get the impression? >> only if you read the tweets over time you come to that conclusion. i actually don't think it's appropriate what he's doing. if you have a spouse in public service in that way you ought to keep it to yourself. i think people will try to read into it. i think it's been suggested does he know more than other people know? perhaps. i think he's an opponent of the president using his forum, making it uncomfortable for his wife. they submitted to a "washington post" profile. they're kind of hiding in plain sight. i don't know how far it goes other than the obvious mellow drama of a senior advisor's spouse being so public about all of this. >> funny you mentioned that
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"washington post" profile they submitted themselves to. the author will be here. >> i set that up. well done. >> certainly, it's awkward and cringe worthy to watch a public dispute like this between a husband and wife. you bring up the other point, does george conway know more than the rest of us? does george conway have an insight in the view of this white house and president perhaps different than the american public and is that why he feels compelled to maybe over share the way he is. that's something we don't know at this point. whether george conway knows more than the rest of us does, if that is the case, it's pretty enlightening you think about in the context of the "new york times" report, it says his closest advisors, senior white house officials actually don't know what set him off this weekend. we don't as well. he could have been steaming from
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the rebuke from the senate with the vote on the emergency declaration and also a rebuke on policies in the middle east as well. we've seen them more willing to push back against the administration and its policies. the president did or said or tweeted a number of remarkable things over the weekend. it's still very stunning to me that the president is still going after a deceased united states senator. we know he does not like john mccain and know he held grudges against john mccain for a litany of reasons during the senator's life. this is not something -- it's pretty stunning. also, the fact that you have people -- even with remarks like that, kind of unwilling to push back. i keep listening to what lindsey graham said in response, senator graham's closest in the senate
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but can't push back against president trump. he's commenting more against his legacy. that shows the power the president has over the republican party right now. >> you brought up the "new york times" before that suggested the president's advisors don't know why he staged this tweet storm. we will have one of the reporters and authors on it. i want to shift gears to the cnn executive report overnight and the fact white house lawyers expect to get their hands on it after bill barr but before the rest of us. to me, in my own eye, although i haven't gone to school as much as you have, they want the right to do that? >> they have the right to do that. kenneth starr was an independent counsel. he reported to a three judge panel, not janet reno.
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janet reno had absolutely no control over kenneth starr. robert mueller is a special counsel within the department of justice. he answers to bill barr, who answers to the president. he is part of the executive branch. this is the white house's right to do this. they may get some political criticism. this is an example of what it means to be a subordinate to the president, that this report can be censored by the white house and there is nothing mueller can do about it except resign in protest if you want. >> i guess the question i have, to what extent can congress force the issue with mueller compelling him to testify, getting aspects of the report. there is a public interest piece of this. the response to the mueller report and narrative style of that report, once that independent counsel law was revised, it was in response to the perceived excesses of that
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report. >> that's right. the law has been that congress has much less of a right to open up the executive branch's files than a court does. the 1974 case about the white house tapes, that case was won and disclosure allowed because it was a court subpoenaing it. when congress tried to subpoena the white house tapes they lost. that is a precedent worth remembering. >> one other point, the area, talking about what areas might be covered in executive privilege, it's not the campaign, the presidency. but if you're talking about obstruction, the entire area of obstruction the white house could claim executive privilege any conversation it had with a political advisor. >> we talk about executive
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privilege as if it is clear what's covered and what's not. its not an area the courts have analyzed that much. a lot of discretion traditionally has been afforded to the president when it comes to executive privilege. you're right. all the stuff, pre-transition, there's no way that can be covered by executive privilege. but the conversations during the presidency, everything related presumably to the james comey firing could be off-limits. >> you can't ignore the political element to it either. in a perfect world we have white house counsel and the attorney general sitting down having a conversation, this is how we will walk through this. there is the politics can't standly hanging over them institution in this case. >> no question. especially high crimes and misdemeanor while president trump was president, at the judiciary committee in the house made that very clear, that is
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what they will be focused on for potential articles of ich impeachment. it depends what mueller concludes. he won't charge the president. whatever that information is or conclusion making that determination, they will argue strenuously, we have more than the right, the obligation to get that information before so we can vette it and process and make a determination. >> i'm not sure that from a purely political perspective it serves the white house's political interests to have a prolonged fight over this report. i can see a scenario for months and months the white house wants to keep things secret and democrats shouting why do you want to keep it a secret? the possibility they're trying to hide something. >> from a transparent pushback
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could see pushback between democrats and republicans in congress. and that's where they have oversight in terms of their investigations. we have seen a number of those in the senate saying they want to see as much of the mueller report as possible. especially if it exonerates the president, why not put it out there and have nothing to hide. i think that's getting that information out there, it might not be something that the white house has a lot of allies on defending what their tactics are. >> i disagree with you about the idea this would be some problem for them keeping this secret. the polls never change with this president. we talk about he's up to 42%, down to 39%. this is all probably just noise in the polls. no one's mind seems to be changed since over two years. the idea that the president trying to keep this secret would make any difference, i don't think it would. >> because in a process fight to
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those people who think it's unfair would be a noble fight. i do think it's potentially a political winner if republicans, mainly the white house see evidence here thin, falls short of what people expected to drive that politically. >> we know the public wants to know. should mueller issue a public report on findings, 80%, yes. >> and a finding you hide if you have something to hide. there is that. >> deep thoughts by john berman. the "new york times" is reporting people inside the white house still don't know what set off the president to his pi his binged tweet storm over the weekend. maggie is a correspondent. thank you for being with us. we were talking behind your bag a few minutes ago. let me do a dramatic reading from your piece this morning. there was no golf, there were no
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meetings, no activities other than a rare visit to church so president did what me could do. he tweeted. is it really that simple? >> i think it is. we talked about this many many times, where people try to figure out why he's acting in a certain way, sometimes a distraction and sometimes just him venting. we often never really know. there are such a number of people saying he essentially was bored and was not home alone but home without activities. he did not go golfing, as you noted. he didn't have much activity outside the white house. he did make a rare visit to church on st. patrick's day i thought was notable. he clearly had a lot of things on his mind and likes to vent and blow off steam and usually they go away. the volume was striking about this one. i do think it was probably attributable to the fact there was not a ton going on to distract him.
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>> it is interesting i learned in this story you co-wrote there are advisors in the white house close to the president that show him poll numbers and data that situations like this are hurting him. >> he has been told a number of times over the last many years in the campaign and as president that the tweets are something even his supporters don't necessarily like. they think it's unpresidential. he's heading into a period where he needs to be more presidential ostensibly. i'm not sure he will accept that. it has been said to him over time. i don't think it's a surprise to see him do counter what aides warn him is a problem. >> you warned over the weekend as this was going on maybe we should get ready for more norm busting heading into a campaign season 48 tweets may seem paltry to what we could see two months or six months from now.
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>> i think that's right. what was striking about the tweets was not about the volume striking, the tone of them and substance, the attacks on john mccain shifted over to attacks on his daughter, meghan mccain, i thought she had the most interesting answer of anyone, something to the effect of, i'm glad i don't have a family member who engages in this behavior over the weekend. i think that is a comment you will see some of people relating to she made. i think he is heating what would typically been seen as taboo targets, going after not just a war hero but deceased war hero. spreading more conspiracy minded tweets. the way he wins is by shocking people and i think that's what he will continue to do going
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forward. >> while we have you on your phone, i want to get your take, the idea the white house believes it will get its hands on a version of the report before it goes to white house and congress. you talked to so many different people, what's the feeling on this report? does the white house feel it has control over this situation? >> it's a great story and true there are people in the white house counsel's office and people on the president's personal legal team don't formally have a role in that, hoping for the same outcome and they will be able to review it and strike certain things for privilege and delay further movement. i don't think they feel they have control of this, like many people wondering when it will wrap up are waiting to see when it ends.
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they have as little sense as any of us. that's where they can assert some control or hope to and what they're looking for. >> maggie, always a pleasure to read to you from your own reporting. >> thanks. >> kellyanne conway and her husband's public battle over the president's mental state making things rather awkward for a trump top advisor to president trump. we will speak to the "washington post" reporter who spent a fair amount of time with the couple next. or other child. or their new friend. or your giant nephews and their giant dad. or a horse. or a horse's brother, for that matter. the room for eight, 9,000 lb towing ford expedition.
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no, i don't share those concerns. i was getting -- i have four kids and i was getting them out of the house this morning before i got here so i didn't talk to the president on substance. i may not be up to speed on all of them. >> counsel to the president kellyanne conway on her way to work defending president trump's mental fitness, those questions coming after george conway, a frequent trump critic on twitter questioning the trump's mental
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health. and to someone who wrote an article on the conway's marriage, one seen only this morning. thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >> you wrote they love each other, exasperated by each other, talk about each other behind each other's backs. they share a roof and live in different bunkers. it may be particularly enigmatic of today. do you think they're in the same place today? >> i think they're basically in the same place but maybe slightly worse. george conway has been tweeting more and getting more followers and every time he get tos it's pa big deal. whether they're in the same place it's hard to say but the same problems are there. >> you talk about he's tweeting more. back when you spoke with him he
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called it an outlet for him and a small part of his life and he's holding back a little. do you think he's holding back? >> yeah. he tweets a lot and each only takes a couple seconds firing out. he could be instead of me, on morning shows, doing evening shows and podcast on the radio, he really doesn't do that. he pretty keeps all his criticism to twitter and the occasional op-ed. i think that's what he means by his outlet if he didn't have a way to express how he feels he would go crazy. twitter is his mode he's chosen so far. >> he has grown his followers from 94,000 to nearly 400,000. was it your sense this is all genuine what we heard from george conway on twitter? >> yeah. it's my sense he believes this, whether it's a deal he and kellyanne have worked out he's able to do this.
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i don't think that's true. i get the sense she is annoyed by his twitter habits and he kind of can't help himself. they figured out a way to make it work for now. i don't know what the conversations are sense i spent time with him. i do think he believes this stuff and seems very ax sass ex-exacerbated by the president. do you think there was a bar where kellyanne says enough is enough? cut it out. >> i think she says that and he can't help himself. i think they at some point agreed they don't talk about this stuff, they have other things they have to worry about. they each have jobs and children to raise and lives to live. i think they realize they can't talk about this all the time or it will be literally the only thing they can talk about. >> we heard from brad from the 2020 campaign and said at the end, george conway is only doing this because he is jealous of
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her success. he noted in the past, people know who george conway is because of me, not the other way around. do you think he is jealous of her? >> i don't think her success. he is very proud of her. even talking about the president he still would say how proud he is. i don't think the president deserves her. she is so talented and great. his anger is with the president and not kellyanne. i think he truly is proud of her and her ability. i'm not sure that he is as angry with her as he is with the president. >> could george conway's tweets in some way help kellyanne conway in terms of proving her loyalty to the president? >> i think there's something to be said about that. when my story came out there was a lot of discussion about how she had almost seemed to take the side of the president over the side of her own husband.
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if you're the president of the united states and you read that article, not sure he read it, at least saw the coverage of it, look, kellyanne is so loyal to me she's willing to go to the washington pages of the washington report and stand up with me instead of her own husband. >> spouses disagree on things all the time and politics all the time perhaps not as public, you look back at mary matlin and james carville, is it different, you think, because things are turbo charged in this era or different because these are the conways? >> i think it's different in a number of ways. mary matlin and james carville are opposite parties. their roles made perfect sense. george conway was a supporter of the president a long time. he almost worked in the administration and cried on the night of the election and proud about the election. this disagreement is different,
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president trump is demanding general motors reopen the ohio plant shut down earlier this month, the president promising auto workers there he would save their jobs, now calling on gm to close a plant in china or mexico instead. the latest from lordstown, good morning. >> reporter: good morning to you, erica. this plant here in ohio closed about two weeks ago but at the top of mind for the 1400 laid off workers and the president who spent much of the weekend tweeting and calling on gm to reopen this plant or sell it.
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that clarified a response from gm who clarified it was up to the american auto workers union to come up with some kind of agreement how they may reopen this plant. the president also tweeted about the local union president here, david green. he said he needed to get his act together and produce. we caught up with david green last night and said he was surprised to hear from the president on twitter but said he was happy the president was calling attention to the uncertainty of workers here. >> the gop tax cut gave corporations like general motors and incentive to build products outside the state. he wanted to make sure they understood a, the regulations on the book aren't really helping working people and not helping companies that employ people. a lot of people here voted for him. he came here and told folks don't sell your house, those jobs are coming back, and we've seen job losses. >> reporter: the people who have
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lost their jobs here are living in a state of limbo, erica. they don't know whether to sell their homes and relocate to another gm plant or wait it out in the hopes gm and uaw will come to some sort of agreement before their contract expires later this year. democratic candidate beto o'rourke making a stop there. what did he have to say? >> reporter: that's right. beto o'rourke stopped here in town specifically to speak to david green you just heard from. he wanted to see how he could help. he wanted to talk to david green and said if he became president he promised he would bring jobs back to this area. >> democrats have no hope of winning nor should they if they don't show up first and listen to people in their communities, hear things from their perspective. we used to succeed and win in
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rural as well as urban america. when we stop showing up, we stop winning in those communities. i'm showing up everywhere for everyone. >> reporter: it's important to note, john, this is one of four gm plants that are slated to stop production this year. it won't be a surprise if we hear from the president more on this issue. >> i expect we will. vanessa, thank you very much. joining me now, democratic senator sherrod of owe. he has spoken to the president twice. last year about the plant. thank you for being with us today. you read everything the president had to say over the weekend. you know the president is going to ohio in the coming days and will no doubt address this. what do i think the impact is of at least the president's attention to this issue? >> i wish he had come earlier when it began.
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there were almost 5,000 people working when he was elected. third shift laid off after he was elected and second shift this past summer and then they were making the chevy blazer in mexico and the last shift was laid off last week. i've been talking to the president. he acts like he just woke up and is ready to do something. this is the most official gm plant in all of north america. necessary they've done retooling and asking them for months to do retooling. david green is right, they can retool and can go back to work. david green stayed the president has to cancel this tax cut he gave to the companies. if you shut down in lourdstown, you pay a 10 1/2% reduction.
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the president gave them the tax reduction and if you restore the american jobs act, it would assemble these cars and suvs in the united states in large numbers. the president you mentioned local 1112 president david green, the president attacked david green over the weekend. >> the president attacks everybody. when the second shift was laid off, the president attacked everybody, republican president or congress or republican governor. that's what he does. it's not his fault. he finally woke up. i've been talking to him about this plant over a year. he i assume gets briefings about a major auto layoff in a major state. he should know that. he had this tax bill to
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encourage more companies to go oversea es. we will see more of it with that tax provision with 50% off. he said, that's a good idea senator and the next day, these workers are the most productive workers in gm in north america. we continue to talk to mary barra, and we know the president lied about what mary said when the president said she blamed it on the workers. the workers are efficient. necessary it's a management this issue and tax issue by the president of the united states who betrayed workers throughout the industrial midwest. >> do you trust the workers on this issue? >> not especially. i don't think he follows it much. his judgment has been so bad. he's only now getting engaged when he thinks he has to. it's a matter of getting him to
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focus and do the right things. he should go to congress and say, pass the american jobs act. it works this way, buy a car mostly american made in the united states, you buy one of those, you get a $3500 off rebate at the dealership. that's paid for by eliminating this trump tax benefit with a 50% off benefit. we will encourage that and american workers. that's what david green talked about yesterday when he said in the first interview, pass the american jobs act, that would fix a lot of this. whether the president wants to do that, says he does, he has to push the mitch mcconnell, all about special interest groups, unfortunately, auto workers aren't part of the special interests group in washington. >> i had a chance to talk to you in november.
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the president said he supported it and really nothing since then. the last 24 hours, texas congressman beto o'rourke, who was in ohio and had a chance speak with you. >> i had a chance to talk to you your extraordinary senator, sherrod brown earlier today. he was talking about how we get to work, how we insure and incentivize businesses in the united states. we don't reward them with a tax code or taking jobs in mexico or china or anywhere else. we make sure we invest in the dignity of work, a phrase he coincidencing and owns and represents the genius of his community. >> is that what you want to hear, senator, in addition to the praise from you, for you, from a presidential candidate. >> i talked to pretty much if not all the presidential candidates. i was heading to columbus in the
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car and we talked about the american jobs act and dignity of work. i had done a fourb state dignity of -- four state dignity of life tour. it's about wages, childcare, work schedules. the local 226, as nevada likes to say, one job should be enough. you shouldn't have to cobble together two or three low wage income jobs. the more they talk about the dignity of work and mean it, to me, it's what i fight for. we don't just use that as a slogan, the way we should govern through the eyes of workers. i hope to continue to talk about the dignity of work. it does contrast with this president in republican majority
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betrays american workers. the white house looks like a retreat for wall street executives, contrast that with workers. >> in a new cnn poll we asked all americans, a broad swath how they thought the current economy was. 71% say the economic conditions are good. that's high. doesn't that have to include some workers you're talking about? >> of course it does. workers with descendants jobs, the the president taking full credit for the growing comment. with jobs and the president taking full credit for the growing economy. that gets mixed up in your mind. what we're not seeing is profits go up, executive salaries explode upward, productivity of workers go up but workers' wages are flat. there are far too many workers simply aren't getting a raise as
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the cost of living goes up. saying the economy is going up is one thing, saying your personal worth and finances look to be good in the future. i hear too many workers saying how hard they're working and not able to get ahead. that's why we need this focus on the dignity of work and unionization. >> have to let you go. when you talked to congressman o'rourke yesterday, did he listen? >> yes. i give him credit for listening and i liked him. thank you. you're always welcome on "new day." appreciate it. how the civil war myths are making a dangerous comeback. reality chi reality check next. discover. hi, what's this social security alert? it's a free alert if we find your social security number on the dark web. good, cuz i'm a little worried about
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this is beyond wifi, this is xfi. simple. easy. awesome. xfinity, the future of awesome. as americans, at the end of the day, no matter how much we disagree, the country is supposed to be on the same side, right, john? maybe? maybe not, bursting our bubble on today's reality check? >> i have bad news for you although ultimately optimist. we're seeing a slide back to ugly talk in the past. we have to stop it. talk hose steven king added another image, red states and blue states engaging in a fistfight. folks keep talking about another
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civil war. one side has about 18 trillion bullets and the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use. who would win it with a smirk. his state of iowa is on the losing side of this image. while former bush counsel calls it treason, for a lot of folks, another day in the trump era. right wing congressman, that crazy war with 7,000 americans and war about slavery we're still debating over today and taking down monuments and the federal flag and reparations in the town hall with elizabeth warren. did i mention nearly 7,000 died? neo con fed rat sympathies and the year before the unite the right rally and confederate
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flags and poster. predicting 2019 will be the most vitriolic year since before the civil war. a decade ago i was writing a book called "wingnuts," fringe stuff. all politics in this country now is just dress rehearsal or civil war. now, we have it on social media, obnoxious notion tweeted more and more, why democrats would lose the second civil war 2. time for the united states to divorce before things get dangerous. these are just a few. we're playing with fire here. don't believe me? a recent study found 40% in both parties believe the opposition isn't just wrong, they're down right evil. 20% of the parties think they would be better off if a larger number of the opposing party just died.
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i have the support of police, military, support of bikers for trump, i have tough people. they don't play it tough until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad. michael cohen said this. >> given my experience working for mr. trump, i fear if he loses the election in 2020, there will nev be a peaceful transition of power. >> democratic norms are tested every day but to flirt with the thought of a second civil war is callous and cruel. it reminds me of this. >> people don't ask that question, why was there a civil war? why could that one not have been worked out? >> people actually ask that all the time. the idea is to learn from our past, not repeat it. that's your reality check. this is cnn breaking news. >> we have breaking news just in to us, u.s. backed forces in syria have captured isis
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firefighters they believe are linked to this suicide bombing in january that killed four americans. the bombing killed green beret jonathan farmer, former navy skill, scott water and two language specialists. >> reporter: good morning. such important news for the families of the american and the u.s. military. a u.s. defense official tells cnn this morning in february now the sdf, syrian democratic forces, backed by the u.s. and syria did capture up to five isis militants they believe were involved in the planning and execution of that suicide attack in january in northern syria that killed four americans and several syrians when a suicide bomber detonated a huge bomb near a restaurant there. this information was first reported by reuters.
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we want to acknowledge them. we also now know that the u.s. has been able to interrogate these isis fighters since they were captured in february and they continued to be held in the manbij area by the sdf fighters. a lot to unpack here. one of the key questions is whether the syrian fighters will continue to hold them or if evidence can be developed that could lead to a prosecution here in the united states. could these people potentially be transferred to stand trial for the killing of americans and stand trial in this country. we don't know the answer at this early hour. again, what we know is up to five isis militants said to be involved in the planning and execution of a suicide bomb attack in northern syria in january that killed four americans, those people now captured by u.s.-backed fighters
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in syria. john, erica? >> such an important development. of course with these people in captivity now there are intelligence assets that can be mined to find out more about the condition of isis. >> some anti-vaxers accused of crossing the line. you will hear from some targets next. (vo) parents have a way of imagining the worst... ...especially when your easily distracted teenager has the car. at subaru, we're taking on distracted driving [ping] with sensors that alert you when your eyes are off the road. the all-new subaru forester. the safest forester ever. and the golden retriever er are very different. they eat, digest, and process energy differently. at royal canin, we developed over 200 precise formulas
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new zealand's prime minister returning to christchurch today where 50 people were killed. shootings at two different mosques. she's vowing to never utter the massacre attacker's name. eye sivan watson is live with m for us. >> reporter: good morning. the prime minister spoke in parliament for the first time since last friday's deadly attacks. she denounced the man accused of carrying out the deadliest terror attack in modern new zealandy calling him a
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terrorist, criminal and extremist. >> speaks the names of those who were lost, rather than the name of the man who took them. he may have sought notoriety, but we in new zealand will give him nothing, not even his name. >> reporter: prime minister ardern said she'll be unveiling new gun control laws in days. she's urging social media sites to do more to restrict the kind of violent content that the gunman live streamed on the internet. she was backed by the three biggest new zealand broadband deliverers. they wrote an open letter to the heads of google, facebook, twitter saying that these websites, these social media sites have to do more to protect people from this kind of content. facebook, for its part, says it removed some 1.5 million copies of the video in the first 24 hours after the attack.
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meanwhile, authorities here are still struggling to identify all of the 50 dead from last friday's attacks which have not only traumatized the muslim minority here, 1% of the population, but ordinary new zealanders as well. i see them in tears every day as they lay flowers here in christchurch. >> they are us, as the prime minister said eloquently. thanks for being there. we have an important cnn investigation that found so called anti-vaxxers have been harassing, intimidating doctors and patients who speak out in favor of vaccinations. elizabeth cohen has more. >> when you say the science is settled, vaccines don't cause autism you are bearing false witness. >> reporter: extra security was on hand at the centers for disease control meeting because anti-vaxxers had come to give a piece of their minds. there is a reason the cdc was
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worried. when doctors speak the truth that vaccines save lives some anti-vaxxers threatened to kill them. anti-vaxxers told dr. all offet he should be put in front of a firing squad. another vaccine expert needs a security escort. on facebook, anti-vaxxers called for dr. richard pan, a pediatrician and california state senator, to be shot and wrote, i hope they stone you to death. it is not just doctors who have been attacked by anti-vaxxers. one of their targets -- mothers whose children have died. jill lost her 2-year-old son jude mcgee to the flu. he received a flu shot but it didn't work. she posted online about his death anti-vaxxers said she caused his death because she gave him a flu shot. some anti-vaxxers went so far as to say she had intentionally killed her son. >> i got a lot of people accusing me of murdering jude and using the flu as an excuse
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to cover up my crime. >> reporter: you were called a murderer of your own child. >> the first time it made me feel sick. the idea that somebody could even suggest i would do something that would hurt any of them. >> reporter: often these attacks aren't random. so you infiltrate anti-vaxx nation groups? >> yes. >> oerin costello uses a facebok account to spy on anti-vaxx accounts. when a child dies -- >> she says, let's hit them with the truth, educate them. basically let's harass them. >> reporter: then she warns the parents. larry cook, a leader of the anti-vaccine group says any discussion about parents who lose their children after those children are vaccinated would be minor in number saying anti-vaxxers are harassed by pro
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v v vaxxers. jill launched a campaign to encourage people to get flu shots. >> i don't want anyone to lose their child. >> reporter: you're not giving up? >> absolutely not. >> reporter: elizabeth cohen, continu ontario, canada. >> imagine being harassed after your child dies. >> it is unthinkable and disgusting. there are big developments in the mueller investigation. breaking news from syria. "new day" continues now. >> there is something unseemly that the person who might be the subject of derogatory information. >> this sets up a political battle over the hotly anticipated document. >> i will commit to providing as much information as i can consistent with the regulations. >> he's begun


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