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region. >> tension increasing. fled pleitgen, thank you. to our viewers, follow me on twitter and instagram. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." erin burnett "out front" starts, right now. "out front" next. breaking news, the deputy attorney general staying on the job longer to absorb the punches and deal with the fallout from the mueller report. this is mueller's team signals it's too busy to meet a crucial deadline. busy with what? more indictment? george conway fighting back, after the president called him a loser. plus a bank that will loan millions when no one else would. new questions tonight about the president's megalender. let's go out front. and good evening, i'm erin burnett. "out front" tonight, the breaking news, absorbing the punches. that's what the deputy attorney
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general rod rosenstein said he is staying at the justice department to do. he long said he will stay on his job until bob mueller's report is released. today, it appears rosenstein is staying longer than planned and staying on to act as quote a heat shield, should there be fallout from the mueller report so what is that fallout that he anticipates is so likely? that is the big question tonight and it comes as we are learning more about what trump could be facing. some of those clues we could be getting. association i got it. we recycle. when it comes to these things, we save them and have them, we keep needing them. warrants targeting michael con. we got these today. they reveal cohen was being investigated for a laundry list of possible crimes, including, we go to page 38. this is page 38. all right. the header here, the illegal contribution campaign seem and then look what happens.
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i'm sorry. look what happens here, things get very, very dark. a scheme the prosecutors say cohen claimed he acted in coordination with and at the direction of individual one. right? remember that, to silence two women who claimed to have had sex with the president. individual one, of course, donald trump. and you know, 18-and-a-half pages of this i just want to be clear. 18-and-a-half pages goes on and on and on. so, what's in here? well, that's a crucial question. we're learning mueller had eyes on the president's fixer michael cohen long before anyone knew. in fact, these dates, july 2017, two months after the special counsel's investigation started. right? july 2017, by that time, mueller had obtained a warrant for cohen's e-mails already and then in august of that same year, 2017, he got a warrant on cohen's icloud account. november, then tracking cohen's phone calls. investigators also looking at
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cohen's foreign contacts, specifically with russians, including a company linked to victor vessel beberg, who, of course, a ally of vad vlad. the only probe far he is facing tonight. because the team trump missed a deadline today to turn over records to the house judiciary committee. the judiciary committee remember has those 81 requests out that sweeping investigation into whether trump has abused power. two key people are cooperating, former adviser steve bannon and friend of his inaugural committee tom baric. more than 8,000 documents have been provided so far. i want to emphasize, it sounds like a lot. it's a diminimus amounts. it is baric and ban non, 6,000 from tom baric and steve ban upon the. we have evan "out front" to gen
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our coverage. evan, what do these documents tell us where the investigation is headed, these documents with regretting from mueller? >> reporter: i think, erin, one of the big question is what is behind those 8,000 pages you highlighted. we know this has to do with the ongoing investigation, the southern district of new york, the manhattan prosecutors still have ongoing. they're still digging into in particular the campaign finance violation regarding the payment, the hush payments to those pim that happened right be every the 2016 election. the other question is did anyone else know about the campaign finance violations? was anyone else a part of the effort to try to cover that up? did anyone else lie about it when they were asked about it by prosecutors? perhaps when they appear before the grand jury. those are among the open questions. people close to the president believe this is an investigation, the prosecution, the prosecutors there in manhattan is an investigation
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that will go on, probably for the rest of donald trump's presidency. as you know, the president cannot if indicted under the justice department guidelines. he cannot be indicted while he is sitting in office. obviously, when he leaves office, that's another question. so as long as this investigation is ongoing, there is still very much a lot of concern for the president and for those around him. anyone else who may have known about those hush payments. >> all right. thank you very much, evan. i want to go now to the former district attorney for the southern district in new york harry sand ig and gloria border author of "inside the fbi" garrett graft is back with us. there is a lot happening here, moving quickly. you got rod rosenstein, could have been gone by now, right? bill barr is going to come in, maybe he'd leave soon after. here, mid-march, he's not gone.
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sources say he will stay longer to absorb the punches and be a heat shield for mueller. what's that say to you? >> i think that's sa sensible thing. there is a now attorney general lined up, jeffrey rosen. he is well guard. he doesn't have a career backgrounds, he never worked for the department of justice. to the extent there will be unexpected twists and turns out of the mueller report, one thing is there will be something surprising to somebody. we know he has been sharply criticized by the white house. so it makes sense for rosenstein who is leaving anyway to stick around and oversee this process. >> garrett, they asked for a deadline and they said we can't do it. we can't make it. the reason they said was quote the press of other work so when you hear that, garrett, the press of other work, they're do busy, they're doing something else, what do you think that is? >> reporter: yeah, so there are
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two things we can imagine it is. one is this continuing legal battle with this mystery subpoena of a foreign corporation that mueller is sort of continuing to push forward in the courts, presumably in parallel to the second thing, which is wrapping up this investigation. i mean, we've seen this exodus of prosecutors and agents from the case over the last couple of weeks. all signs pointing to this wrapping up relatively soon, programs not in the next couple of hours. maybe more in the weeks category, which is what rod rosenstein appears to be saying. remember, rod rosenstein has been the protector of this investigation for nearly two years now. and has endured, frankly what is probably the world's most hostile work environment during that time. it's clear he believes very strongly in protecting this investigation right through the end, even though his boss is out
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there tweeting pictures of him behind prison bars for treason. i mean, for something that is unprecedented and shocking to image him. rod rosenstein has already been na heat shield for the last two years. >> so you know, gloria, what do you think this means? look, we all know it's been weeks where we are told it could be any day. we will get the mueller report. so when you put all the together, you know, still in the same situation? do you think this pushes out the deadline or the opposite? zplits hard to predict. we don't know. look at what we know about the time 39 that you put up before. we didn't know that the under surveillance started on michael cohen in july of 2017. we knew about the raid the next april. >> 2018. yeah. >> you had nine months and we had no idea what was going on. i will tell you, though, what we learned from the documents today. we did learn some things and one of the things we learned from
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the documents is that, is that what mueller was looking atcoen for was that he was a potentially an unregistered foreign lobbyist and, however, we also know he wasn't charged with any violation. so that's what we know from these documents. we have the 18-and-a-half pages of redacted information that we don't know what that will tell you about hush money, et cetra, et cetera. >> yeah. >> we did pick up snippets. but all i can say is all we know is snippets. >> all we know is snippets. again, harry, the michael cohen documents were released. right? okay. we got a lot of stuff. >> yep. >> as gloria said, there's a lot in here, then there's, you know, i mean there's pages of this stuff that are blanked out. then, of course, you have the 18-and-a-half pages particularly about campaign finance irregularities, illegal campaign contribution scheme. you know, when you put all this together and they're still
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giving us nothing to see. we know individual one is donald trump they haven't said that. what, why is it still empty, blank? >> and not only blank, but they could have done sort of limited redactions, you could imagine, where they redact out a couple of names or details. they're redact everything about this. >> you keep the name out of it. >> exactly. >> every time it says a name or a sentence. but that's no what they've done. >> there is a whole story here. we're not privy to it next. the only thing i can think is this is an active investigation with a lot of uncharged individuals, whose culpability is being assessed by the u.s. attorney's office. >> so you think there could be more charts, more indictments coming. >> i do. there are more charges coming. it's a certainty that there are people who are named in here that the government either hasn't charged, maybe can't charge, either due to doj rules or the absence of evidence, sufficient, let's say, for proof beyond a reasonable doubt, but they're a part of the michael
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cohen story. everything else in her has been revealed and the investigation has gone on for almost two years now, or a year-and-a-half by now. so there would be no reason not to just put it out there unless something was ongoing. >> that's the thing. within are you done, you are done. i guess that's a big question here, garrett. when the cohen raids took place, we finally got to the raid as gloria points out, nine months after the under surveillance, which we done know was going on at the time. at that time the president was asked about it. theoretically all he knew was the raid. here's how he answered the question. . >> no no, i'm not. >> so, garrett, do you think this is -- where are we in the process here? as gloria points out, there could be a lot more indictments. where do you think we are? >> i think we are absolutely going to see at least one more big round of indictments from bob mueller before this
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investigation is over. and remember one of the things we do know, if this is, this campaign finance conspiracy is the one involving stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. one of the things we do know is there are a number of people who have already been granted immunity in that case. the trump cfo alan weiselberg, david pecker, rmi. there aren't people left in this conspiracy whose name doesn't end with trump. >> that is one of the things we can sort of imagine potentially might be one of the things that takes a little bit longer to work through at the end of this big investigation is as you are weighing charges against the president's own family, that's kind of the type of thing that you might expect prosecutors to spend a couple extra weeks working on, which might explain how we have seen this delay unfold is there which is a pretty incredible thing to think
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about what the reaction would be from the white house, right, even if he, himself, is not, as you point out, justice department protocol and other members of the family. i mean, gloria, it also comes as have you this broadening set of investigations, which could lead to other big paths and things going on in the congress. >> right. >> the house judiciary committee asked for a heck of a lot of information, and they're getting it, specifically from two people. john barrack and steve bannon. 6,000 pages, a lot of guys are saying, hey, maybe doing what trump could have done at the beginning if there was nothing there, no there, there, here, take it all. >> i think they want to corroborate. the question is what will the white house do? will the white house stonewall? will the white house say try and work out some kind of deal? will they refuse? i mean, we don't know the answer to that. we know that at this point they've missed deadlines.
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so, that's the big question here. and don't forget. congress' role is oversight, is investigation. i think the issue here is that they don't want to conflict with bob mueller's investigation or with the southern district of new york's investigation. so they want all this incoming information, but what they do with it remains to be seen, because they're on a different time table than the sdny, for example, or mueller. >> all right. thank you all, very much. a segment to highlight how little we still know in the entire mueller probe and southern district of new york and who knows what else. "out front" next, trump shifting into campaign mode, while standing next to a world leader. >> the last thing we want in the united states is socialism. plus, george conway speaking out after the president called him a loser. what is kelly anne conway's
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tonight, president trump while standing on the world stage next to the brazilian president taking a shot about his 2020 rival. >> the last thing we want in the united states is socialism. >> "out front" now, columnist at "the washington post" and steven moore, informal white house
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adviser. steve, he loves the socialist line. he thinks it's working for him. >> well, look, i don't think that there is anything unusual about trump saying that there was a socialist danger in the united states, because there is. you got polls that show half of kids who graduate from college now think that socialism is spearioer to free market capitalism. you got a number of democratic candidates who embrace some elements of socialist policies. you got bernie sanders, who is one of the front runners, who refuses to, you know, condemn the leadership in venezuela, who's praised socialism and the tragedy of cubans, so i don't think trump is stretching here when he says that there is a real risk of socialism invading the united states. >> so, on that point, what the president is trying to seize on is have people think about are some of the comments coming out of the democratic roster. right? no question about it? comments like perhaps these.
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>> we will make public colleges and universities tuition free. >> healthcare should be a right and not a privilege for only those who can pay for it. which is why i support medicare for you'll. >> i like the way the green if you deal has been laid out. the frame for that incredibly ambitious proposal. it does not attempt to disengage our action on climate with the need to rebuild this economy so that it works for everyone. >> okay. he is trying to make comments like those the boogieman. >> i mean, yeah, at some point, first of all, let's back up. nobody knows what is meant by socialism. that's a part of the problem here this boogieman. we know we are supposed to be afraid of it. the gop has been calling for america's going to go down the socialist toilet for the last 60 years. ronald reagan said that medicare was leading us into a socialist distopia and, of course, nobody
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thinks that anymore. in reality, all countries are a mix of socialism and capitalism, including the you know socialist terrorist states of like scandinavia and all we know is that trump likes to sigh that, stephen more likes to say this, it will scare people who think of the soviet union. whether that actually reflects any of the debate we're having right now including about expanding healthcare i think is completely unrelated. >> steve, here's the thing to katherine's point, democrats are favoring right now in early polls, right, some of the people who are saying the most quote/unquote socialist things. now you got biden at the top, okay. obviously, biden was the democratic vice president. so perhaps now we'll see where he starts to come down on things. bernie sanders, kamela harris, beto o'rourke, we're all right there in those sound bytes we
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played. clearly there is an appetite for the policies they put out there. they're popular. you put out the word socialist, maybe not so much. could the president be wrong on this? >> well, look, i think that these, all of these policies have the same, i know, kind of political appeal. it's all going to be free, child care is going to be free. we're going to provide you aning in whether you work or not. we will provide you with free healthcare, free college and so on. look that will bankrupt the country. i'm not saying that medicare and programs like social security are socialist. but i would say this we all know -- no, hold on, no, but what i'm saying is, we all know that those programs are going bankrupt. according to their own actuarys and trustees, the systems are going bankrupt. why would we want to continue to expand them when we can't even afford them for the people on the program already? >> katherine, i want to tell you this, run this moment by you. the president obviously stand on
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socialism, the state of the union as well, we will never be a socialist country, slamming the democratic's run, michael benefit net, obviously, says he was the first democrat to stand up and applaud what trump said. the way he said it, when he said we're never going to be a socialist country. i was the first democrat out of their chair. bernie was behind me, i'm not going to let him disqualify it. it's not because i'm applauding. i want to show that democrats don't feel that way. most democrats don't. >> and that's true. that's exactly what my point is. the united states like all other countries is a mix of socialist and capitalist policies. we have public roads. we have public schools. does the government control the means of production? are any democrats actually proposing, excuse me the government control the means of production? >> no. i mean, it's silly to play into trump's hands and stephen moore's hands, all these other people trying to paint the democratic party as you know
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this entity that's trying to turn us into the soviet union. that's not the argument, that's not the debate we're having. the debate we're having is what kind of roles are important in various kind of marks, including healthcare, including education. >> the two industries that are most dominated by government in america today are education and healthcare. and that they are both financially in chaos. the education system stinks. the healthcare systems are out of control. it's curious to me the two industries most dominated for government are the ones that are in the worst financial shape. they are providing a service. >> if you look at what people want. they're hoping the government will intercede to get costs down. not to increase costs. if you look at the actual polling out there, what people care about, can they get access to affordable healthcare and can we bring down costs? to pretend unleashing some, taking all rules off of this system and that would somehow
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suddenly bring down costs an get everybody healthy again or healthier is just absurd. >> you got the last word, steve got the first. thank you both. next, kellyanne conway's husband revealing conversations with trump about a job at the justice detectives, firing an attorney and john bolton. why does the president insist he has no idea who george conway is. that's blatantly false. what are the other banks dealing with trump told employees not to say his name after he won. why not
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fighting back, telling the "new york times" it's a quote badge of honor that president trump called him a total loser on twitter this morning. i see, there, the president did. kellyanne conway you see there. she's one of the president's most senior advisers. her husband george tells the "times" he speaks out in part because of guilt for getting him elected. she supported his wife. who played a crucial row. george is saying he is using twitter to call out president trump because the men dasty, the competence, it's just maddening to watch. the tweeting is just a way to get it out of the way, so i can get off my chest and move on with my life that day. that's basically so i don't end occupy screaming at her about it, referring to his wife. chief correspondent for yahoo news and host of the podcast skullduggery. george conway today describing
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at times to "the washington post" you know where the president spoke to him about firing freak ferrara -- fariq ferreira, despite all of this, president trump is saying he barely knows who george conway is. that's false. have you phone george conway for many years, would he be making this up for revenge, any of these detailed stories? >> no, that's not who george conway is. he's a top flight lit fwator in new york for a major law firm. and he's a guy whose had pretty consistent conservative principles. i mean, i got to know him back in the 1990s when he was a key behind-the-scenes player in the events that led to bill clinton's impeachment. he felt very strongly that no man or woman, including presidents are above the law.
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that's what motivated him to play a key role in drafting the briefs to the supreme court in the paula jones sexual harassment lawsuit and, you know, he saw a president in donald trump who his wife happens to work for as being very much in the same image of bill clinton in terms of disrespect for the rule of law in believing he's above the legal process. and i think that plus the nature of trump's behavior on twitter and elsewhere is what has motivated to him speak out. >> and so he is speaking out. and now, of course, sally, it takes such a strange turn. the washington post is writing about a conversation which kelly yaern conway recently had with a group of women and you were among those women. the way "the washington post" writes the conversation, quote, conway told the group that she and the president think her husband is jealous of her, and
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that the president has kept her at a prominent place in the administration because he trusts her and wants to quote protect her, the attendees said. she and the president think george is jealous? >> well, i think that actually the president has said several times that george is jealous of her and i think, what i think is that -- i may be wrong about this, but this is, this whole relationship has really reached a sort of tipping point. i mean, especially in the last two weeks. and it seemed to me that this conversation that i was standing there at the british embassy, a party for the congressional women, with andrea mitchell and maureen dowd with the "new york times," we were having a conversation, kellyanne walked up to us. we started talking and somehow george's tweets came up and she got very upset, wondered why we were writing this, why was this a story?
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and these days of feminism and me too and women have the right to work and have their own identities and what does that have to do with her marriage? i said, kellyanne, it's a story. it's a really good story. she didn't seem to buy into that. she would go on to say a few things that were off the record. so i can't report them. but i know they were in the washington post today. ki not say that they were not true. but my feeling about this is that in some way because i think it is a tipping point, this may be her way of -- because i think she doesn't have any choice. at some point, she's going to have to decide between donald trump and her husband. this is not working out. and at some point, she's either going to have to leave the white house or leave her husband. and i think that what she was saying was she was talking about that, the president protecting
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her and not firing her when anybody else would have fired her and the president saying that he was, george was jealous of her, is her way of getting her side of the story out. so that if they do split up, she can say, well, it didn't work, i did everything i could. but what can i do when he is jealous of me and my prominence and the fact that she has all this power because she is so close to the mr. president and on air all the time. >> michael, have you known george conway for decades, one of the important things here is obviously there is a personal side to this, which is, i think on some level hard to watch. but also compelling for people to watch. but this is also, it speaks to how strongly he feels. right? he does not feel that he can remain silent about this president, even with all of this at stake this shakes experience
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pers experience /* shakespearian personal drama that is a part of this. >> he is clearly passionate. you can see in his tweets. we also, my colleague and i did the only interview on camera that he's done for our podcast and he comes through. he laid out, you know, his disillusionment with the president and the republican party for standing behind him. you know, this guy is a life long republican and he said i no longer feel i can be a part of the republican party anymore. he expressed concerns that it had become essentially a cult revolving around donald trump. i think if you listen to the podcast, interview, it's very clear he's very passionate on this subject, feels strongly about it and, you know, doesn't want to contain it anymore. >> although, i think it's just, you know, my feeling is certainly that obviously he
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still has this great pride in the role that his wife played in electing donald trump. >> yes, he expressed that when we interviewed him. yeah. >> the one thing that they've taken, sally this white house has taken is to try to denigrate him is to call him mr. kellyanne conway. brad parscale, communications campaign manager is calling mr. kellyanne conway. here's the president of the united states. >> well, isn't that -- . >> who? >> kelly yaern's husband, wrote that the disappointment -- >> you mean mr. kellyanne conway? >> again, a guy he's known for three decades, sally. they think this is a winning line, many kellyanne conway. >> well, it couldn't be more sexist. it's exactly the opposite of what kellyanne was saying so many people are comparing them to mary madeleine and james carville, who i know very well, they're close friends of mine.
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because they wrote this book "all is fair in war and politics and love and war." but there's nothing similar about these two cases, because james and mary, although she was a republican, he was a democrat, only disagreed on policy. you know, how much money we should spend or should we cut taxes or should we give this to the defense department? or welfare, whatever. they both really cared about the country. they just had different views about how things should be done. with kellyanne and george, it's a difference of ethics and morals and values. they totally dulles agree on those two things and so i don't see how they can ever stay together given that they can't seem to come up with the same idea in terms of how they want to live their lives ethically. >> all right. thank you both very much. i appreciate it. and next, lawmakers stepping up their investigation into one of the only banks willing to do business with trump.
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they claim they loaned him 2 million over decades. they are doing business. now to powerful house committees are looking into deutsche bank's ties with the president. the bank is expected to hand over extensive documents about the president. steven lynch of massachusetts, member of the financial services committee, excuse me congressman, which is investigating deutsche bank and the president and the relationship. and it looks like -- blue skies just came up. okay. we're deciding what to do here, everybody. okay. don't worry, we're going to get that back. we have something else, excellent. dana bash exclusive. president trump lashing out today against facebook and twitter and what he says is collusion by democrats. >> it seems to be they're conservative if they're republicans if they're in a certain group, there is discrimination and big discrimination. i see it absolutely on twitter
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and facebook and i will tell you there is collusion with respect to that, because something has to be going on. >> but it is facebook and twitter. his re-election campaign is depending on for another win. our dana bash sat down with the exclusive campaign manager. >> reporter: across the potomac river in this sleek virginia office space, trump campaign manager brad parsxal is quietly rebuilding a massive re-election campaign far different from the insurgent 2016 operation. this is a real, as traditional as donald trump gets, operation, versus 2016? >> yes. it's traditional but not traditional. there is traditional senses to it that we now have an operation in time to build out a building that has proper destiny and proper things. last time not from the fault of the people that ran it, it was fly by night sometimes because it was going to fast. this time we already know.
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we have the president of the occupation. we have the incumbency. we know where we're going. >> reporter: the trump campaign never really ended, in a highly unprecedented move, he filed the year he was inaugurated. a year later, he hired parscale. he long worked with the organization but never in politics as digital media director. >> i think maybe for other candidates it wouldn't be right. maybe i'd never be here sitting in a chair in any situation. i wake up every day believing i'm the right guy for this situation. >> reporter: in 2016, parscale along with trump's son-in-law jared kushner, bought unprecedented ads on facebook, reince priebus started at the rnc, which is still growing and a big part of the 2020 plan. >> it now has hundreds of millions of records and voter history, consumer data and when we put polling data into this
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machine, say this is hang. it can spit out models. this is the messages you should talk to him about. imagine it's a country before with no roads, no maps, no direction. all of a sudden you can layer another piece of paper of it. it tells you where everything is. >> how is it different now? >> i think you see a massive injection directly into your devices, into places we can communicate with you you can't turn away. >> what do you mean by na? >> text messages. >> obama used that in 2008. >> not to this scale. there's few, facebook can be used also, the only difference is the scale we used it, the precision we used it. we can can't to use it. >> reporter: like stepping up tech knowledge, turning rally goers into volunteers. >> we won an election. we will be two for all. >> people might know ten people, they might, they are the army that wants to work for the president. so we need to get them digital technology on their phone, while they're waiting for the
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president, standing outside, a couple days before, they're excited. they have interests, they're peaking, we want to go to the president. here's some activitys we want you to do, who are your ten friends? it's much more efficient two years out to find a possible donor. it's a considerable advantage, the other side won't have, you continue replace time. >> reporter: it's still a family affair, kushner has a leading role and they all know who is really in charge. how involved is the president in this in. >> the president stays involved, when i show him the direction we're going, he gives me input. this is what we should be doing. he's always said, hoo tess campaign manager, the communications director. the finance director. he is the master of the trump train, i'm the conductor on it. >> and trump source us tell us that in 2016, the candidate was angry when he learned that 50% of his campaign ad budget went to digital ads. but then after he won, erin, he
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got it. now we are told to emphasize, expect trump 2020 to focus more on facebook and other online platforms. this is key they are going to use continue to rely on detailed information about voters that are kept in a voter vault at the rnc in order to really target voters with messages based on where they stand and what they care about. erin. >> let's hope no one's tapped into that. there is a lot of other people out there who would want to know where people stand on issues to send them false information. dana, thank you very much. next, congressman lynch is back with us. we got him back. he's next. we'll talk about the only bank willing to loan trump billions and why a committee is digging in. plus, trump admits, he's bad with gifts. but he may have scored with this one.
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tell you before the break. the "new york times" saying deutsche bank loaned trump $2 billion, they did business despite red flags. stephen lynch of massachusetts, a member of the until services committee, which is investigating deutsche bank's relationship with the president. thank you very much, congressman, i appreciate your time so the "new york times" is now going into great lengths on the reporting here with deutsche bank saying, deutsche bank did anything it could do to keep the then donald trump happy. the story says, quote, mr. trump told deutsche bank his net worth was about $3 billion, but when the bank employees reviewed his finances, they concluded he was worth 77 million. first of all, that's crazy, somebody will lie to you when they're starting to do business with them. why was deutsche bank so intent to doing business with trump when no other banks would? >> well, at least part of that story in the "time's" alleges,
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they were trying to get into the investment banking business, but some of these loans were made far after, as you know, erin, most of these investment banks had already converted into holding companies and so that really wasn't a motivation at the time. the thing that really gets me is that they knew that before they made the loan that president trump had overstated some of his assets by as much as 70%. yet they continued to make the loan. so as you mentioned at the outset, we're waiting for documents from deutsche bank to see if we can figure that out. >> to understand why. yeah. so, you know, then the "time's" goes on in the story today, congress marp, as you noted, there were concerns after the election internally. the quote from the article, on deutsche bank's trading floor, managers began warning employees not to use the word "trump" in communications with people outside the bank. why would that be? what would they be afraid of?
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>> well, you know, i think at this point of that statement, president trump was in his campaign and was making some very outlandish statements. i think there was some blowback. so, and there was also probably the fear that these loans were not, you know, according to usual banking lending standard. so i don't think they wanted the additional scrutiny. >> so deutsche bank, of course, in 2017 was fined more than $600 million. and they were fined related to a russian money laundering scheme. okay. $10 billion russian money laundering scheme, which involved various deutsche bank branches. i want to play for you what the house intel committee chairman adam schiff and your chair woman maxine water versus said about this particular issue. >> we'll need to talk to some of the banks that have been doing business with mr. trump.
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like deutsche bank which has a history of laundering russian money. >> we know deutsche bank has had a reputation of money laundering for a long time. it's the only bank that would really deal with the president. >> so, obviously, paying $630 million fine for laundering russia money is a big issue. the president doing business with then donald trump, who other banks didn't want to do business with can have its own issues. do you have any reason to think those two things are related? >> not at this point. not without getting the documents. not without really understanding fully what is happening here. one interesting angle on this is that the only way to verify what the president alleged in his application for the loan would be to really compare it to his tax returns. so this may at some point give a judge reason to compel the president to produce his tax
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returns. >> all right. and that, obviously, could be very crucial. as i know there has been a lot of debate over how and if that would happen. since obviously, the treasury secretary will fight it. thank you very much. i appreciate your time. >> thank you, erin. next, jeanie moos on the gifts the president got today. [music playing] (vo) this is the averys. this is the averys trying the hottest new bistro. wait...and the hottest taqueria? and the hottest...what are those? oh, pierogis? and this is the averys wondering if eating out is eating into saving for their first home. this is jc... (team member) welcome to wells fargo, how may i help? (vo) who's here to help with a free financial health conversation,
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president reagan received 372 belt buckles and a bunch of saddles, including this ornate one from algeria's president. brip's prime minister and president obama got memorably whipped at ping pong, so david cameron gave obama a ping pong table. and remember the soccer ball president putin gave president trump? >> it will go to my son baron. we have no question, in fact, melania, here you go. >> reporter: a reporter at the summit says i saw a u.s. secret service agent put the soccer ball through a security scanner. i bet they didn't try that with the komoto dragons. even if it's a bowl of shamrocks from the irish prime minister, a president has to look pleased if not bulled over. artists tend to send one of a kind items look like this barbara bush chair, a portrait of reagan made out of 10,000 jelly beans and a portrait of jfk carved into a peach pit.
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president clinton received a picture of himself playing the sax. when azerbaijan's leader gave the clintons their portraits on a rug, this may well have been the look on bill's face, faced with this gift. just peachy. jeanie moos, cnn, new york. >> all right. thank you very much for joining us. anderson starts now. >> good evening. if you are wondering if the president of the united states apologized today on his attack of a war hero months after his passing, he didn't. in fact, help continued to express his dislike of john mccain, blaming him on healthcare and other unnamed issues. in the past, one of the issues he disliked in the campaign about mccain is he got captured during the vietnam and he was a p.o.w. for six years, he was tortured. mr. trump, apparently doesn't like members of the military what get captured, so he said. the continued comments of the president released a flood of