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is no longer alive to refute himself. what's more he unleashed a flood of attacks of every day citizens against the mccain family. cindy mccain posting a comment she received from a woman. it says your husband was a traitorous piece of warmongering -- and i'm glad he's dead. hope your miss piggy-looking daughter chokes to death on the next burger she eats, too. she concludes with another vile word that i don't repeat. republican senator mitt romney weighed in saying i can't understand why the president would disparage a man as exemplary as john mccain. patriotic, self-sacrifices, empathetic and driven by duty to country and family and god. talk about what the president again said about john mccain today. >> it overshadowed much of the
day. the president met with the president of brazil and with him in the oval office the president resurrected this feud with john mccain. he started it over the weekend when he was tweeting at the arizona senator accusing the late senator of being behind the dossier of alleged misdeeds about the president's alleged ties to russia before the 2016 election. and the president went off and essentially created a new grievance, one that we heard before from the president, but he resurrected it again talking about why he still harbors those views toward john mccain. here's what the president was saying. >> he told us hours before he was going to repeal and replace and then for some reason i think i understand the reason, he ended up going thumbs up and had we even know that we would have gotten somebody else.
so that's disgraceful. plus there were other things. i was never a fan of john mccain and i never will be. >> it's one thing taking issue with statements john mccain made or issues he took, the president isn't accurately portraying things in his comments but even during the campaign, before the health care vote, before anything, he was insulting john mccain for being a pow. >> that's right. who could forget when he said i liked soldiers that aren't captured. that's what he said in july of 2015. people thought that was the end of donald trump's presidential campaign and political career. he was far from it and in that sound bite you just heard a few moments ago the president was referring to that famous thumbs down vote from john mccain when he voted against the republican plan to repeal and replace obamacare.
i talked to a former aide that says the president just had his facts wrong. he didn't signal how he was going to vote. that he was not telling the white house one thing and then doing another. in the words of this former mccain aide, are you surprised that the president lied? so there's terribly ill feelings going on back and forth between this white house, the president and his inner circle, and the mccain family. there's white house officials that say we salute his service. but that's not the same as the president of the united states and what he's been doing over the last couple of days. he was asked the question whether or not this was beneath the office of the presidency. he knows the answer is beneath the office of the presidency. >> jim acosta, thanks. i spoke with the strategic analyst and author ralph peters. here's what he said about
the president's ongoing attacks on john mccain. >> john mccain was and in our hearts remains the man trump could never be. and trump knows it. it's a classic case of male fears of inadequacy -- it goes along perfectly with his obsession with having women on his arms that look like teenage boys' fantasies. he wants to show us how tough he is. but he's not tough. >> two more views from two more strategists. colonel peters earlier was saying that he believes part of what is pushing the president on this is frankly an envy or feeling that he will never match up to john mccain. you worked with senator mccain. i'm wondering what goes through your mind when you hear these attacks on him. >> would actually enjoy knowing that he is still living inside of trump's head and what gets
him through satisfaction of knowing that even after death he is still haunting donald trump. look, john mccain was everything donald trump is not. a man who started serving his country since the age of 17. a man that sacrificed and suffered greatly while donald trump was inventing bone spurs. he was a man that believed in a cause greater than himself. he believed in putting america first. >> do you think this is appropriate and do you think there's a strategy behind it or is it just his personal animous and he wants to express it? >> the president's style is when he is attacked, he says i'll punch back. he has been criticized strongly by some members of the mccain family and certainly as he said
today with his interview about senator mccain he made reference to the obamacare vote. that was a huge disappointment to president trump. >> i understand the whole counterpunching thing which is a line we heard a lot from the president. he's punching at a person who is dead. he is punching at a person that can't fight back because he's dead. >> that's true but remember the reason his name is surfaced is because of the dossier disclosure in september. >> which the president is lying about. he said it's revealed that mccain gave it to media. there was an associate that gave it to him. >> but you're saying it's ancient history, it's surfaced because of this story that you
have been covering all week and that's why the president has been angered. >> anna? >> it's okay to disagree with mccain when he was a living senator. to disagree with him on policy and not like him if you want but it's not okay to attack a dying man who had a terminal disease he was battling. and donald trump did so over and over again when he was laying there sick and it's less okay to attack a dead national hero. somebody that is still being mourned. freshly mourned. it's just six months ago that he died. his kids are mourning him and his grandkids are mourning him. we cannot become a country and particularly those of us who knew john, people like you, people like lindsey, cannot not condemn donald trump for these continued attacks on our dead friend and dead statesman, a national hero. because we cannot normalize and we cannot accept this kind of
behavior from donald trump, from the president of the united states, from the commander in chief. while some of his sons are still serving under his command. it is inhumane and immorale and everybody should condemn it. i don't care if you support donald trump or don't support donald trump. i don't care if you like john mccain or couldn't stand john mccain. he is attacking a dead national hero and that is plain disgusting. >> well, if i can, look, john mccain -- >> don't justify it -- >> i'm not justifying it. i regret and would not necessarily be my style that somehow this gets to be about some of the other events that as you correctly say you could have disagreements about.
i think a lot of republicans, not just president trump were disappointed in the obamacare vote and the dossier thing is a very sensitive issue with president trump and we'll see how this evolves. i do regret and i do agree with you and i'm not going to justify this here because i loved him very much, senator mccain, that we should talk about the events but not the individual. and i do agree about his service. i do agree with senator lindsey graham's tweet that nothing can be done to diminish or stain his service to this country. >> although it was interesting. >> neither you or lindsey have gone the extra step of condemning donald trump and telling him that this is inhumane unacceptable behavior from the president of the united states. from any human being that has a beating heart in any sense of purpose. >> i don't know if that would aid the discourse now to lash out at the president and hit his
style and so forth. let's just say -- let's just focus in on the issues that have been the catalyst for these comments. >> although the truth is. >> i don't think that should have been done but that's what motivated the president. >> i hear your argument on this is based on, you know, the health care vote or whatever, but it was actually donald trump during the campaign, long before the health care vote and long before any of this who went after john, you know, attacked john mccain or made fun of john mccain for being captured, for being shot down and tortured for six years. the president sort of laid down that marker. >> that's true. but let me say this, is that any different than the comments that the president made during the campaign regarding other republicans running for president and ones that weren't running for president? that is his style. that is his style and that has been consistent. i'm not -- this is not necessarily how i would approach things or the way you would but
to say this is singling out someone that i revere that would be a huge story. >> but let me tell you why it's different. it's different because donald trump used his rich daddy's connections and networks and money to dodge the draft. to concoct a made-up story about bone spurs that do not exist. while john mccain was serving since the age of 17. while john mccain had every bone broken, you know, because you know mccain. mccain lived in pain. he lived in pain the rest of his life, physical pain and never once complained. >> let adolfo respond and we have to go. >> if this were in a vacuum i would say this would be a bigger issue. this has been the president's approach regarding his opponents and those that opposed his policies. it's part of the president's
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breaking news tonight in the russian investigation, a source close to the investigation, says rod rosenstein plans to stay on until robert mueller makes his report. he sees himself as the person that can take some hits when the news comes out. and documents relating to the search warrants and raids on his
residence and office. joining us now with the latest on both of the stories. so this news about rosenstein does it speak to the mueller report and the timing of it? that it is not close to being finished or is? >> perhaps. certainly everyone here in washington has been waiting, we're prepared for it. we're waiting for it as is everyone else. it does indicate that at least this report while it could be coming at any day, we really don't know when and rod rosenstein planned to stay on through the report and through the completion of the investigation. he started this investigation. he's the one that decided the special counsel should be appointed. he has been here from the beginning. he has certainly taken a lot of heat for what he has done from the president so he wanted to stay there. he wanted to stay through the end. that's why they kept pushing the date he wanted to leave and then today, we heard a different
story that he was staying on. we still don't have any clarity on when the report is coming but it is really at any day right now and certainly for rod rosenstein for everything we have been told he wanted to stay at the department of justice to handle anything, the aftermath of this report and see this to its completion. >> in terms of the michael cohen documents today, did anything come from that? redacted stuff about campaign finance violations or potential violations? >> so there really wasn't anything new that we had not reported on but here's the thing. we did learn the mueller team started looking at it and the extensive amount of investigation work is most interesting in all of this. it's almost how they would operate in a drug case. they were tracking his gps on his cell phone. they were looking to see who michael cohen was communicating
with. there was concern that maybe he was working for a foreign agent, for russians perhaps. that he was making money off of some bids dealings so the mueller team was looking at everything. and then they found things that had to do with his new york business. so that's how he started referring some of that investigative part of that investigation to new york. then once new york gets the case they realize we may have some campaign finance violations here and that opens that entire door and obviously that's where the president has been implicated. that has to do entirely with the campaign finance investigation which leads us all to believe this is still under investigation and other people could potentially be charged, anderson. >> thank you very much. the talk of heat shields and all
of the rest. it's worth getting it from someone that's been there and done that. robert reyes worked with kenneth starr. he oversaw the agreement with president clinton and avoided a possible criminal trial. thanks for being with us. >> thanks for having me. >> do you think the redaction gives any indication that there's still investigations going on? >> could be. it's hard to tell. ordinarily you would expect in the material that's redacted how the special counsel's office got underway, vis-a-vis michael cohen. in other words who was talking to them and who was pointing them in the right direction? i suspect that that's probably what we'll find at some point in the future was redacted and it's probably a fair inference that there's certain matters they want it to conclude without having to disclose them prematurely and it's possible there might be further prosecutions in the southern
district of new york. >> this idea of rod rosenstein staying to be a heat shield, i'm not sure how to read that. >> it's a little overblown. it's more than he wants to see it to a conclusion. wouldn't you? you called for it. it's the most significant decision he's made as deputy attorney general. most people don't know who the deputy attorney general is in any administration. but this one we all know because he served as the acting attorney general for purposes of this investigation. that's a big deal and someone would want to see it to conclusion. i would have wanted to see it to a conclusion. people ask me, when is the mueller investigation going to end? the signal to me is rod rosenstein is leaving my mid-march and apparently he asked for more time. i don't want to get into predicting how close we are but i suspect i would not surprise me if we saw something before the end of the month. before april 1st. it's not far away.
don't beat me over the head if i got that wrong. everybody is trying to figure out what's going on here. and there's other indications that suggest this might last a little while longer. but i do think, from where i sit, i think we're getting to the end. >> looking at the investigation now, what we know about the public indictments and stuff and what we now know about the independent council, do you think it was a better system than a special prosecutor? because there's democrats now that are saying maybe this special prosecutor favors. >> there's no perfect solution and there's flaws to the independent counsel statute. many of which with the benefit of hindsight perhaps but justice scalia saw them when he was having to deal with the constitutionality and he was the
only justice that dissented. so now with the benefit of the fact that we had that experience i mean look, the special counsel regulations are not going to be for everybody the perfect solution. and democrats understandably have pushed back with regard to all of this and we're now in this area where there is no final report requirement that's equivalent to the independent council statute but a lot of the same concerns you see bubbling up to the surface. what i noticed today was, okay, there's going to be a report. does the white house get an advanced look and access to it? under the independent counsel statu statute, the answer would have been yes. >> it would have? >> it would have gone to the special division once the report is completed under seal and during that period the statute required anybody named in the report had an opportunity to review it and to file written
comments that were done and then those comments were attached to the report and published and published with the independent council's report. so, it all came as a package deal. >> there's now reporting that the white house wants to review -- >> for executive privilege. >> legally the white house is allowed to do that. >> well, of course. it's the administration right? and the justice department is a executive branch department and bob mueller is a function of the department of justice. so it's not inappropriate for the white house to be asking for an opportunity if there's ever going to be an executive privilege to see it beforehand. in this situation you have to be careful how this is handled in something that's obviously going to be public in one fashion or another and you might give the white house a limited opportunity to review the report in private. no funds.
no electronic devices. >> personal attorneys. >> but you may want to give the personal attorneys an opportunity if they're going to file a response in order to be fair to the president. and being fair to the institution of the presidency. and you know, i don't necessarily agree with the democrats to say oh that's totally inappropriate to allow the white house advanced access to this or the president's personal attorneys. i know they're preparing a response but you'd think you'd want to have whatever is contained in the report. >> i mean, there is such a reason why there is executive privilege. >> right. i might say we'll give you access but you're not going to comment on this thing until we have a chance to release it. >> robert ray, i appreciate you being with us. >> thank you for having me. news coming up in the 2020 race. the poll positions are shifting. one candidate in particular is standing out. we'll tell you who and a look at what it could mean ahead.
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now ranked third behind joe biden and bernie sanders. also john kerry at 4% even though he's not a presidential contender. joining me david axelrod, and andrew gillom, and dana bash. what do you make of moving up for senator harris? i mean, it's obviously, incredibly early. can you really tell anything from that? >> you can tell something. she got out of the gates really well. she had a huge rally in oakland that was well covered. she had a good town hall on cnn and she has been doing some good campaigning around the country. but it is very early, anderson and we are really just beginning this process. and one thing we should be clear about is it is a protess. and it begins in iowa and moves to new hampshire, nevada,
california. they moved it back so people will start voting the day of the iowa caucuses. and to take advantage of the vote in south carolina and the super tuesday states to follow. and right now she is doing fine in iowa. she is in fourth place behind elizabeth warren, biden, and sanders but she is going to have to do well in these early states in order to realize the potential of her candidacy. >> her rise comes across the board. there's no major demographic group in which she lost support since december. is much of this at this point about name recognition? >> it's name recognition but as david was saying, she has had a textbook rollout from the beginning. her almost rollout, you know, the fact that she said she was probably going to run and then when she did that formal rally
that you showed in oakland to the tv appearances and so forth. she comes across as somebody that you want to hear more from. a lot of the candidates do. but she seems to be doing it the best and longest because she came out early and aggressive. and unlike elizabeth warren, who came out early, elizabeth warren is clearly marketing herself and campaigning for the progressive wing. kamala harris is trying to get across the board, which is no small thing in this electorate. >> should it be any surprise that joe biden hasn't announced yet because a lot of it at this stage in the game is name recognition. >> yeah. vice president biden is a
well-known entity to every democrat in the country, frankly to anyone in the country. and i believe he will start this thing as we can tell in this poll by doing quite well. the truth is is i think most democrats just want to win. i do believe we'll be looking for the best candidate that reflects our values but at the end of the day they'll unite behind whoever the nominee is. look no further than the evidence of the des monies, iowa, poll that shows bernie sanders supporters, about 30% of them choose joe biden as their second choice. actually higher than that. 40% and in joe biden's case about 37% of his supporters, the second choice is bernie sanders. so there will be a lot of movement here. >> you don't make as much about the divide in the democratic party. you're saying people will come to support whoever they think
will win. >> they'll see the candidate they want to see elevated through the nomination process but once that process is over, i have every bit of confidence that democrats are going to unite behind the nominee because we want to win. >> but that's another important takeaway from this poll. that the vast majority of people that answer the survey did say electability was the most important thing and the idea of being a progressive and having ideas that a lot of people that are the loudest support. there was a big gulf there. >> david? >> i was going to say a healthy ma joirt majority of people said they first wanted the candidate
that could beat trump more than the candidate that reflects their point of view and there's evidence in this poll biden does well among moderates and conservatives. on that scale of winning a general election. that said what generally tends to happen in these situations is candidates, voters choose the candidate they like and then they rationalize that choice and say that's the candidate that i believe that can beat donald trump. i think it's not going to be a case where people say i really like that person but i'm going to vote for this person because i think they can beat donald trump. that's generally not the way it works. >> if you're both at 3% right
now, should you be concerned? should you try to change something? or is it just too early? >> it's just too early. if we think back to the primary donald trump was in himself. he would have been at 1% right now and over the course of the race made his way to the very top. chipping off every opponent one by one. i don't think there's a lot of running room. if there's good news for democrats, and i think there's a lot of good news, but if there's any it's that we have exciting choices to choose from and i trust the primary process. i went through one and evolved through it and we ended up seeing 2 million more voters vote in the general election than were expected. >> we're out of time -- >> very quickly. >> i'm going to hold that thought. >> hold the thought. up next why nunez is suing twitter and claiming it's biased against conservatives. i felt i couldn't be at my best wifor my family. c, in only 8 weeks with mavyret, i was cured and left those doubts behind. i faced reminders of my hep c every day. but in only 8 weeks with mavyret,
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harbors against conservatives. something that president trump beliefs. >> people aren't getting through and it seems to be if they're conservative, if they're republicans, if they're in a certain group there's discrimination and big discrimination. i see it absolutely on twitter and facebook which i have also and others i see. but i really focus more on the one platform and i have many different platforms we have almost 60 million on twitter. and if you add them up it's way over 100 million people. and i get to see firsthand what's going on and it's not good. >> with me is ryan lizza and rick wilson. what do you make of this? so i mean, what do you make of this? can you sue twitter and three twitter users? it seems surprising to me? >> you can sue anyone you want.
obviously the bar for defamation for a public official is quite high. i imagine nunes consulted a lawyer and would have to know that. i don't think he seriously believes that twitter is going to pay him the $250 million he's looking for. it seems like a publicity stunt. a way to promote this idea among his fan base that somehow twitter is shadow banning conservatives. it's not a serious lawsuit. it's utterly ridiculous. >> it also fits into the whole we are victims narrative that seems to be very popular among some on the right. >> sure. >> it's absolutely part of this, you know, all the forces of
society are against us. it's just us and donald trump against the world. look, nunes is proving himself to be the republican party. this guy made a huge mistake doing this and the fact is he's given himself the effect the more you try to cover up something the more it gets exposed. he made this thing. no one knew who it was before this and now it has 250,000 followers. it's pathetic, if i may steal ryan's prior pun but this is a guy that made a huge, huge mistake. >> i missed the pun. >> you were just mooving right along there anderson. >> you've been working on that all day. >> he's going to -- >> ryan is going to -- ryan is going to milk that joke all night long. >> oh, my god. >> one serious point. i remember interviewing nunes in 2013 when the gist of the interview was about how the republican party was veering
into a conspiracy mindset. and he told me this story about how his constituents would talk to him about policy and they were starting to just send him stuff from like alex jones and conspiracies and something changed with nunes where he himself went from being a critic of that to being part of it. >> and nunes also blames twitter for not doing anything to people who he says were trying to distract him from his investigation of russia which is rich coming from a man that was caught concocting one of the most false -- >> yeah, that is -- that is truly one of the most amazing statements here and i can't wait for that since he's brought that into this discussion to be part of the discovery of this -- >> it will never get there though, rick. >> i know. listen. i know. there will be a motion to dismiss and it will be dismissed. >> this will last about 30 seconds in court.
thanks for playing, bye. all of these people are so delicate when someone puts a meme on twitter. nunes's cow, these things send him into an absolute frenzy. toughen up. it's politics. this is not for the soft among us. get in the game. he can meme right back if he had any stones. >> i should also point out you were instrumental in unraveling the thing. the whole notion being pushed by the president is that twitter and google are conspiring against them. is there truth to that, ryan? >> no. this issue has been explored and reported on and detailed and
twitter is not doing that to conservatives and to liberals. it's a lie. and he's pushing this for political reasons as far as i can tell. >> appreciate it. thank you. >> thanks, anderson. up next, the president's complicated relationship with deutsche bank. the reporter that dug into this joins me next. this is the story of john smith. not this john smith. or this john smith.
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with clients that were considered too risky, too far out there to be touchable by other banks. so, they would get in bed with big real estate developers, among others, and donald trump was one such real estate developer. he had repeatedly defaulted on loans and cost his banks millions of dollars, hundreds of millions of dollars, in fact. >> he had cost other banks hundreds of millions of dollars. >> he repeatedly defaulted on other loans. a number of other banks had faced huge losses. >> a lot of people will say, how can somebody who has defaulted on loans to banks, hundreds of millions of dollars -- were they desperate? >> they were desperate. >> they saw the red flag but didn't care. >> that's exactly it. it wasn't a rogue banker or a division of a bank. this was a conscious decision.
>> he was borrowing from different divisions in the bank. >> overtime he did. he started in the investment bank. he defaulted on those loans. that part of the bank stopped doing business with them. he went to another part of the bank. and finally, it gets to the private bank, which is the part of the company that kate ecater really rich people and they strike up a relationship with him. there's fierce resistance from the people who he burned. they keep going down the road with him, often with the blessing of the ceo. >> is part of it that banks are drawn to celebrity and wanting to give him breaks they wouldn't give anybody else? >> that is part of it. deutsche bank was so eager to make a name for ooilitself, the were going for clients th s thae splashy. and he was splashy. he would sit down for promotional interviews, tv
xher commercials where we would exstoll his relationship with deutsche bank. ivanka trump would do the same thing. >> i never really heard of that, people doing commercials for the bank after getting loans from banks. >> it's pretty weird. it's something i hadn't heard of. what's it like to do business with deutsche bank. >> it's amazing, you're so fast and you don't ask many questions. and the people behind the camera would say, is this a good idea? and everyone knew in the bank they were real ly going head ovr heels in relationships that would cause problems. >> it's amazing that one sector would ignore what other employees were saying. according to your reporting, at
some point between the election and the inauguration, deutsche bank banned its employees on wall street from mentioning the name trump? >> yeah. around the time that trump became the nominee for president, people at the bank started realizing maybe this would have potential for causing trouble for the bank. by the time he got elected, they were in full panic mode. and among other things they said, do not utter trump in internal communications or external xhucommunications. and that edict was violated. and people were given a brow beating. and the explanation they gave was that the bank was concerned about what would happen if trump, as was his want to do, stopped paying back his loans again. at that point, the bank would be faced with this ugly choice, on the one hand, seizing the president's assets. but on the other hand, not
seizing the president eels assets, which is essentially giving a lucrative financial break to the most powerful person in the world, which is ugly, too. >> it seems like they've been doing for years in different ways. >> without deutsche bank, donald trump might not be president. >> because he would have gone out of business a long time ago. >> he was able on the campaign trail to blunt a lot of the attacks about his finances. and hillary clinton was making flat jokes about, i've read the books about donald trump and they end at chapter 11. a large part of his appeal, was that he was a successful businessman. he was able to brandish his warm relationship with deutsche bank as a weapon to beat back the attacks. he can say, look, for all my sins and my problems, i have a very good relationship with one of the most powerful banks in the world. >> it's so fascinating. david, thank you so much. >> my pleasure. we'll be right back.
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that's all the time we have. i want to turn things over to don lemon for "cnn tonight." this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. we have big news tonight on the mueller investigation, to tell you about. the deputy attorney general, rod rosenstein, intends to stay at the justice department, longer than he planned. until the mueller report drops. a source telling cnn, that rosenstein wants to stick around so he can be the, quote, heat shield, or take the punches if there's fallout from the report. we're going to have more on that in a moment. a lot on that to tell you about. tonight, we have to talk about all of the president's enemies. okay? his perceived enemies, at least. anybody who doesn't knuckle under and give him exactly what he wants, anybody who stands for some