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dozens of document requests. you get nothing seems to be the white house strategy, sources tell cnn that the white house expects to see the mueller report before congress, perhaps with a plan to scrub it down with executive privilege. so they may get a lot less than they want in that process as well and this is all in focus, because the special counsel dropped a huge clue, a bomb if you will. they say they face impressive work this week. so could that press be the actual report? if it is, there are science we may never get to see it. new this morning, another prominent republican ready to prominently call out president trump after he again attacked the late senator john mccain saying he never was and never will be a fan. the in an exclusive interview,
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he says he plans to take to the senate floor today, going on to tell ab, i just want to lay it on the line, that the company deserves better, mccain's family deserves better. i don't care if he's president of the united states, owns all the real estate in new york, or is building the greatest immigration system in the world. nothing is more important than the integrity of the country and those who fought and risked their lives for all of us. >> maggie haber marp, you always bring something that seems to be in juxtaposition with congress. the white house seems to be telling congress, you get nothing. oversight chairman elijah cummings says they haven't seen a single piece of paper yet in the face of all those documented information requests. is this a concerted white house strategy stonewalling? >> it is. and i think, john, we have talked repeatedly on this show over the last two-to-four years
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how donald trump will test the limits of any scenario, any institution for as long as possible. so this is what they are going to try in the white house and the white house counsel's office for as long as possible. they will be unresponsive. there will be some things they can answer, so it cannot be they're completely stonewalling, completely unresponsive. i think there can be discreet issues, things that are hotter issues or potentially more troublesome, i think you will see delay, delay, delay. i think similarly, we will see the white house have a similar approach, with tons mueller report is in the justice department. i think they are trying to exert executive privilege. i expect it will take them a long time. >> i think that's exactly right. i think that's a very big issue in light of what chairman cummings said, they haven't seen a piece of strategy. this seems to be a strategy the other night that sticktive privilege is something they expect to exert over much of the
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mueller report. they will push this. >> that's right. listen, donald trump tends to operate with what's in front in a short lead up to re-election bid. i think he is going to try to delay as long as possible to try to use these investigations to his favor, to suggest that there is, you know we have seen him say witch hunt over and over again. i think you will see him press that point repeatedly while not responding to what oversight members are asking for. >> do you think they see any risk in delaying to the point, well, where you make it an issue that comes up or breaks during the heat of the campaign rather than spring of 2019? >> i think they're certainly aware of that risk. i think there are two issues, one is they tend to take the short-term view in general. number two, it's not clear to me that everybody has visibility into what the possible risks are. right? they might not know all of the
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information. so it's ha readyer to make that assessment when you are going on limited knowledge. they are operating based on what's in front of them. they think they can buy some time. >> a dose of reality for me and the american people, based on all this reporting this morning, if you are expecting to actual revelations and information, if they exist in the mueller report or the documents, how long do you think we need to be willing to wait? >> to be clear, i gave up a long time ago trying to speculate what is in the mueller report. i just want to lay that auto clearly. i know you are not saying it. i think to be clear to the american people and to you, i think that we have no idea what could be in there. it could be not particularly revelatory, given all real time reporting taking placements or it could have a lot in there we have not had visibility into. we will see, it depends on how long it will be and how detailed it is going to be. so we don't know. i think there could be a lot of revelations in there.
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to your point and your question, when and if the american public gets to see that is right now an open question. >> i want to ask you, yesterday, we heard once again from the late senator john mccain, who i remind passed away in august. it was clear the president was incomfortable with how mccain's passing was received. in some ways he thought it was receiving too much attention and he was receiving too many laudtory changes and what not. johnny isakson, who is not often a contentious or a you know a showboat for from georgia, we learn intends to make a speech and the bull work daughter says isaacson is upset about what the president said about john mccain and intends to make a statement about it. do you think this will be a lone wolf thing and other republicans feel the same way and even if they do, are willing to do something about it? >> i think other republicans have been criminal himing about
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the things that president trump says about john mccain at a long time. i think the moment in the key presidential race is when donald trump made his comment in iowa how he liked heroes who weren't captured or shot down or whatever that comment was. he paid no price because john mccain was not a favorite of base republican voters tanat th point. so i think have you senators more afraid it will cost them in their own states if they speak out against this, they don't know how it will play out. my gentleman we don't know. maybe this will be the start of something else. but in the past, people who have spoken out against the president on these kind of things, these have been one offs. it doesn't mean this won't be the same thing based on the silence from the president over the past few days. the twitter feud between president trump and kelly anne's husband, calling mr. conway a
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stone cold loser and husband from hell. george conway spoke out in a new interview with the washington post, the white house reporter for the washington news post spoke with george conway and you know what's fascinating, in the tweets the president put out before the top of the hour, he actually hits on a couple different threads in your reporting here. the idea that george conway is jealous of his wife kellyanne conway and also the president going to make the length he doesn't know george conway. yet, george canway, himself, gave you a documentation and a time line. >> the president has known him for more than a decade. to be clear the two were never close personal friends. they consulted on real estate matters, in new york, or hiring decisions. the president was going to support him in a single doj job. he was around a bit with his wife, a campaign manager and holds a prominent position in the organization. so the argument that he doesn't
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know george conway was not true. now, what was interesting today, the spouse of one of your aides a total loser and the husband from hell. the president clearly wants to ratchet up a pub like feud. yesterday he called am loser and it dom nighted a good bit of the news. the president does not see winning as a strategy. the second day gets sharper. a more vociferous attack. we'll see what george has to say today. >> i know the control comes up while we are talking, we can analyze it in real time. the president is not going to give up on this. it was true, george conway isn't either. he says last year, he says this is sort of my outlet. now he's saying, he is tweeting. he does this, the puts it out there because it keeps him from screaming at his wife. >> george conway described his twitter feed as stress release.
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saying he gets tired of the mendacity in his words, obviously, he has pro cured hundreds of thousands of followers and he seems to be in the spotlight for his views out there for world to see. have you as to remember, george conway was a key player in the bill checkpoint-monica lewinsky affair. you read. he has been a provocateur for 20 years, i mean, george canway, he's lesser known. but his wife to be sure in conservative circles has been a prominent player for some time. now he is probably at the apex of his fame talking about the president and writing parole 90ly and being in the middle of it all. >> he is receiveing a lot of attention, the number of twitter followers have grown expo exponential exponentially. this idea of george conway being jealous.
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you have a comment and kellyanne conway talking about this? >> kellyanne conway espoused that with folks in the room and members of congress. what she said both she thinks that and the president thinks he is jealous. i asked george about that yesterday when we spoke. george said he wasn't jealous of her. he later said i got her to where she was, there was that. that comment was taken by folks as maybe a bit of a mixed sign. >> did you get the sense from him that his increased -- increase in the number of tweets and perhaps his increase in notoriety on that front is leading to any friction between the two of them? >> well, you know, i don't want to comment on anyone's marriage. i think it's clear if have you someone a high prominent defender of the president probably versus one of the most prominent critics, you live under the same roof. the president is clearly mad at you. other white house colleagues, you know, mad at you, i mean
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george, otherwise white house colleagues are looking at his tweets. the whole world is scrutinizing your marriage. it doesn't seem to be the petry dish of happiness. but again, you know, i don't want to speak for anyone's marriage, a very unusual scenario. it's really almost unparallel. back in the 1970s, there was martha mitchell, the wife of a prominent nixon appointee who you know talked to the press a lot, was very critical. nixon later thought she was partially responsible for his demise. but other than that, we haven't really seen much like this. we have a spufs top aide in a vociferous public vichl criticism of the president and the president of him weighing in in real time. >> george conway is weighing in, in real time. here's what he responded to the president. you seemed to turn to prove my point. good for you. i mean, not shocking. he hashtag he put on there
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narcissistic personality disorder he got flack for questioning the president's state. he is not a psychiatrist. he does not have a degree we know of in mental health. >> george conway is doing an armchair diagnosis when he says that. that's interesting what george told me he called am total loser, he is proving my point. she shrugged off the attack from the president. what george has been trying to do is get increasing numbers the of people to see the issue at hand his way and honestly attention from the president draws him more attention, it's something we seen time and time again, books critical of him, he attacks them, the author, all of a sudden they're best sellers. so for george, i'm imagining he will get hate mail. i am guessing his twitter following goes up again today so we shall see.
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>> we will watch for that. always good to talk to you have thank you so much. >> he's at 414,000 and counting. >> it is going up, back in august, it was something like 90. could the trump team scrub the mueller report and stonewall congress until the clock runs out? noerd in other words, if the white house is saying to the country, you get nothing when it comes to investigation. will it work? the legal strategy next. migraine with botox®. what if you had fewer headaches and migraines a month? botox® prevents headaches and migraines before they even start. botox® is for adults with chronic migraine, 15 or more headache days a month, each lasting 4 hours or more. botox® injections take about 15 mins. in your doctor's office and are covered by most insurance. effects of botox® may spread hours to weeks after injection causing serious symptoms. alert your doctor right away, as difficulty swallowing, speaking, breathing, eye problems,
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the claire of the house oversight committee says he has not received a single piece of paper from the white house despite a dozen document requests and requests for other information. so is this a winning strategy for the trump administration? joining me is jeffrey toobin and chief analyst and jeff koucac-- cuccinelli, not a single piece of paper. how is that for transparency? >> know i related the transparency as it relates to the mueller organization. i don't know this is a bad at least tactic for the white house. i think that the overkill that's happened already in the first two-and-a-half months of the
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democrat's control of the house, for instance, nadler's 81 subpoenas and so forth with no specification of what they're about, what's the legislative or oversight purpose? >> there are 81 requests for information. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. no, you are right. >> not a sprinkle response of a piece of paper. >> right. and i think that when this white house looks back on the last one with republicans in control of the house, in particular, they see reasons to undertake this strategy. i really don't know how it will play with the public. i think that's hard to say, i think measuring president trump and the reaction with president obama for instance when they won't turn over fast and furious documents, things like that, is probably not an apples to amounts type comparison. so we will see how that unfolt folds in polling of all things.
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>> it may be a tactic. it's not forthcoming. >> it is not forthcoming at all. i am long past predicting anything changing the polls the polls haven't changed on donald trump for two years. i don't think his response to documents requests from congress will change that. it is worth noting that every white house receives document requests from the opposition party when it controls the house you know one body or another to congress and historically do they respond to at least something? even if it's just to say no a compete stonewall is without precedent. it's very much consistent with the transition that went on when ty cobb left the white house who comes from williams and conley,
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the law firm that is all about confrontation. i think that you know the response for the next two years going to be a gesture are you not supposed to make on television. >> that is what they will do for just about everything. >> i i this you will see a bleedout of material over time. i don't disagree with jeffrey's characterization of the response so far. but i think what i would expect to see is that they'll provide dribs and drabs and so forth. so there will be something there, but they will continue to resist the overwhelming requests and they will defend publicly by saying this is ridiculous, it's overkill. this time it will be congress. >> you seem to suggest that one of the reasons they my do that, they learned their lesson that
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democrats turned over too much in the past? >> no, no, no, no i went, remember the coverage that we all had and you all participated in, the republican house deciding how to respond to not getting answers to fought getting materials for long, long period of time. that was not that happened under the obama presidency. there was no real legal result. the house did certain things, held the attorney general in contempt, for instance. but they didn't have the ability beyond that it is the department of justice that goes and acts on those contempt findings when they occur. that's traditionally the way that happens. i think when you find it against
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the department of justice. >> i think ken is making a very good point here. which is that there is nothing congress can do if the white house does not produce these documents except make a fuss legally and politically. they cannot force the white house to surrender these documents. there is no mechanism in place, even if they go to court. that was something that was determined. i mean the attitude of the obama administration was very difficult. eric holder and the justice department did turn over a lot of material about fast and furious and other investigations. they den turn over everything the house of representatives wanted and they found holder in contempt. but, the result was the same. you can not compel the administration to turn over documents. >> very quickly, jeffrey, what's your expectation at this point? again, we don't know what will
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be in the mueller report, how much information is there. but what's your expectation about how much we will ever find out from it? given the fact that we know barr is going to give it a scrub down and then the white house will? >> you know, i just, the three words you are never allowed to say on cable news, i don't know. the discretion that mueller has, i saw froo fareed, if you read the recommendation, mueller can write 100 pages, 500 poijs, i don't know, if it's five pages, we will expect they will fight it a lot. i don't want to give the impression i know more than i do. >> let me ask this. >> one comment? >> the thing started as a counterintelligence effort with respect to the russian
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involvement in the 2016 election. so let's all step back from politics for a moment. it's easy to foresee things in the report if it's detailed. a lot more closer to the 500 page example jeffrey gave that really should remain confidential. sources and methods type of information. so let's not forget that could very well happen. it wouldn't be surprising at all. at least the attorney general makes his own report, which was that material i expect to be scrubbed. >> thank you both very much. erica. some new issues becoming top priorities for democratic candidates, things like expanding the supreme court, do voters care? we'll ask one of the candidates next. hi. maria ramirez! mom! maria!
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a new cnn poll of democrats and democratic leaning voters has joe biden on top followed by bernie sanders, kamela harris, beto o'rourke now in fourth. the poll we should point out was before the 2020 announcement. the democratic party's new
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criteria for qualifying has at least one candidate to change his approach. the rules are they receive 1% in polls or attract 65,000 individual donors, joining me now, 2020 candidate, john delaney. thank you for joining us. we were heavily focusing on that or there working on a polling too. the washington post likened the debate challenge. they likened it to an infomercial for ginzu knives. you are trying to get to that 65,000 donors, you have an interesting proposition. we reached out to the dnc for comment. they did not respond, what are you hearing from them about your strategy? >> we haven't heard anything from the dnc. we have heard from people is they like it. people can donate a dollar and become involved in my campaign
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and will donate $2 to one of 11 charities they choose from. >> it's all to get to you the big stage? >> well torque make sure that we meet both each of the criteria that's been established, yeah. >> we will be watching that. there are some tickers on other people's websites, too. >> my campaign is about the entire country helping people. i've always thought about how the private sector and non-profit sector can work together to solve problems. in a way this spirit is how i think about problem solving generally. >> that's a lot of what you talk about. bipartisanship. are you an entrepreneur, a successful businessman. you have support for socialism in some circles has become a dirty word. how do you feel about it? >> socialism in its pure form the not the right answer, obviously, to some extent, it's a false choice, we have a capitalistic country. it's the greatest innovation and job creation machine ever
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created. we've always had strong social programs. we have regulation tax policy, workers rights to ensure our citizens have the kind of opportunities i have. i grew up in a blue collar family and have had amazing opportunities, i grew up at a time where we cared more about supporting people. we allowed them to erode. we shouldn't be having this socialism debate. we should be saying how do we rebuild the social exact so every person has the opportunities that people like myself have had. today another generation is the first generation of americans that won't do better than their parents. we've let them out flu is want it to be a bipartisan approach to solving those problems. what makes confident you are a person that can you neat not only a country, but you have experience, but still. as an entre pre knew, i was the
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youngest ceo. i've spend my whole career bringing people together around a common goal. that's exactly what we need in our next leader. our current president pits american against fellow americans and we're not getting anything done. all the great things we've ever done, the things we celebrate. they were done around a sense of common purpose. >> that doesn't mean we will agree on everything. but we deserve to live in a country where our elected officials roll up their sleeves and get real things done that matter to the american people. >> there are a lot of things that are important to you. public information, infrastructure. yet, some of the hottest topics on the campaign trail we are hearing, a lightning badge are none of those things. there are calls to expand the supreme court. where do you stand on that?
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>> i think these things become arms races, if we expand the court, when republicans get control, they will expand the court. where does it end? right. i think we should be reestablishing our societies so i understand the urge. in general, going down this path where we just expand the court, we're in control. i don't think that lead us to where we want to be. >> getting rid of the electoral college, giving people tear vote. >> yes. if i were starting from scratch, i would do that. it requires a constitutional amendment. we haven't passed an equal rights paemd yet. i'd much rather focus on things that can get done and affect people. i'd rather focus on building infrastructure, creating digital
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privacy legislation in this country, expanding pre k, making sure community colleges is free for every kid in this country. doing real things that matter to people, right? in getting them done and affecting people's lives. if i were starting from scratch, absolutely, i wouldn't have the electoral college system, right? i'm as mad as anyone that happened, secretary clinton got more votes than our president. i think it's fought going to change. you need the small state as a part to do it. and they're not going to agree with it. >> what about reparations? >> so again, i support thinking about how we overcome the sophisticate racial injustice. it still exists in this country which is the most immoral thing we did which is slavery. we have institutions that i believe is unjust, racially unjust, how we fund public schools, et cetera.
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so i favor real programs to actually create equality. to quote jim clyborn is this notion of cash payments. it's divisive, it's not the right way to move forward. >> before i let you go, there the a lot of talk about who the candidate will be and what they will look like, especially in 2020. how it may not be the right time for a white man. how do you feel about that discussion? i think the democratic voters will elect the right person who may be the right leader. i think at the end of the day, that's what they will decide. i'm running in a field that's diverse. i think that's terrific. i think the democratic party actually represents the american people. you can see that in our field for president. so i think it's terrific. i think eighth level playing field. everyone's got a shot. it's going to be a battle of ideas, at the end of the day, democratic primary voters will pick the person they believe
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will toledo this country to a better place. >> thank you. cnn will host a presidential town hall tonight with john hicken loop were. dana bash is live at 10:00 p.m. eastern. we have breaking developments in the crash investigation of the lion air that crashed in october. this was the same type of plane that crashed in ethiopia. this is hugely significant. we'll till that significant next. everyone's got to listen to mom. when it comes to reducing the sugar in your family's diet,
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all right. breaking news, two big developments in the lion air crash investigation in indonesia. this took place last october. bloomberg reports that one day before the crash an off duty pilot kept the plane from crashing. the extra pilot was seated in the cockpit jump seat, diagnosed the problem and told the crew how to disable the control. reuters has new details on what the voice recorder captured on the flight that did crash a day later. pilot itself were scouring a handbook to find it fixed. they were going through the handbook as they struggled to
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understand why the jet's nose was diving. >> it's just awful to think about. >> you won't believe who hated the electoral college, probably more than elizabeth warren. here's a hint, it's a man works wore a wig and helped to write the constitution. >> for the first part, remember me? no, remember the constitution part. don't talk. >> john affleck? >> here it is, so look, getting rid of the electoral college, radical left wing policy or as apple as american pie? elizabeth warren certainly jumping into the debate. >> my view is that every vote matters. >> that means get rid of the electoral college. >> it's got those folks talking, both pro and con. is this a case of democrats trying to change the rules because they've won the popular vote but lost the presidency twice so far this century? it's an insult to the founding
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fathersing could it happen? it turns out it could happen some 700 times according to jessie wagman, who is writing a book on this subject. it's intense debate among the founders. james madison, not a fan 81 year after he wrote that john you'ins e quincy adams became president. happening again in 1876 and 188, which make grover cleveland so mad he reclaimed the office reporters felt could be stolen from him. reform efforts continue. a senator came within a few votes to abolish the elect tractor-trailer college. in 1968, his effort committed
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80% approval. one year later, the house of representatives voted overwhelmingly, even president nixon was on board, it was filibustered in the senate. all of this was more or less forgotten until 2000. by that time, we were all getting a little used to the depressing idea if you don't live in a hand. of swing states, your vote should be taken for granted. the national vote interstate exact. it's simple? states pass elections to vote for the popular vote. so for 12 states passed it. colorado last week. it has report from republicans as well as democrats. they won't kick in until they hit 270 votes. this will face a court challenge. it won't be based on allocating
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the elect tores. the big question is whether it's constitutional look, trump bot the vote and won because of 78,000 votes in three states, it's been debated since the days of james madison. there is renewed focus on figuring out how to make every vote count for the president. that your reality check. >> where it gets interesting, though, john, is the absence of a movement in red states or the states that always votes one way. until we see that, i'm not so sure we will see them get it done. >> it's fascinating. back in '98, we had 98% approval. we came close to getting that passed from thank you for that this is what to watch today
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at just 8 years old he's taking the world by storm finishing in first place doing it undefeated. and perhaps what's even more extraordinary is he went from beginner to chess master just after a year playing the game. joraning us now the new york 8 chess champion, his mom, and ps 116 head coach. congratulations to you. that trophy is huge. is it hard to carry? >> no. >> no problem when you've got those big muscles. you've only been playing for a year. you're a state champion. what's that feel like? that's a big deal. >> yeah. >> yeah. is it surprising to you, or did it feel totally normal. >> it did not feel totally normal. >> no? >> when did you know you were going to win? >> i did not know i was going to win because on my last game i was scared of losing because my
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opponent was winning and he took it. >> but you came back and did it, yeah. >> yeah. >> what was it like winning for you? >> i felt really calm and also really happy and excited. >> i would think so. mom, you must be really excited, too, and really proud. >> yes, i really did. somehow i was scared. when he came in in the last 10 or 15 minutes or something. in the last 10, 15 minutes, i was like what happened. state champion! i was so happy.
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so, so happy. >> so have you had someone learn so quickly before? he started playing a year ago and now he's a champ? what makes him so good? >> i think tani works so hard. tani's reached about 1500 in a manner of one year. when we went to the state championships, i had expectations he dwould really well but i didn't think he would win the state championship. going in the last round it was very nerve-racking. his mom and i were really excited but we knew we had to take composure. my partner said please make sure to let him know in the last round he could win the tournament. i said, listen, don't push too hard. if the position is equal, draw,
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and you could become the state championship. he came back in the last 10, 15 minutes and i said, what happened. he was the most humble kid. he said, coach shawn, i drew. >> what makes him so good. >> he's very tactical. the average kids do 15, 20 puzzle as week. he does like 500 puzzles a week. i think that's what it takes to become a great player, dedication and hard work. >> you want to be the youngest grandmaster. you see he's really on that route. what do you love about chess, tani? >> i love really about chess -- what i love really about chess is -- is --
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>> that was a tough one, huh? sorry, buddy. you're sure good at it. it seems like you've found your thing. >> deep thinking. >> clearly. >> it is a thinking -- >> a good understanding of it. and that's what i like about it. >> mom, what has it meant for your family? >> so grateful. we're very happy. we're so great about it. we're very proud of him. it's -- it's great to us. >> shawn, mom, tani, congratulations. i will never play you in chess because you're scary. thank you so much. >> we look forward to covering you when you become the youngest grandmaster. thank you so much. we have great inhow the
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all right. top of the hour. good morning, everyone. i'm poppy harlow in new york. jim has the day off. repeatedly blasting a late war hero. this morning a senior senate republican is leading the outrage on the latest attacks over the late senator john mccain. >> i was never a fan of john mccain, and i never will be. >> this news follows a string of renewed attacks on twitter, and today the senior republican senator from georgia johnny isakson says he promises to make good on a whipping for anyone who talks

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