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investigation. tonight, the public is weighing in on the mueller report in our exclusive new cnn poll. deplorable. that's what pay republican senator is calling the president's relentless attacks on senator mccain. tonight, trump is adding a new complaint involving senator mccain's funeral. loyalty test. mr. trump also won't stop publically slamming his senior aide's spouse, labeling george conway as a husband from hell. kellyanne is taking the president's side. a new hope. a former aide and confidant to mr. trump appears to be ready to cooperate with democratic investigators in the house. will hope hicks provide evidence against the president? we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you are in "the situation room."
this is cnn breaking news. >> we're following breaking news. cnn exclusive new poll shows robert mule areeller's approvalg has improved. 87% want the findings of his investigation to be made public. the survey shows support for impeaching the president, that that has dipped. mostly among democrats who may be buying nancy pelosi's argument that president trump just isn't worth it. tonight, the president claims he won't mind if mueller's findings are released, even as he tries -- keeps on trying to discredit mueller. mr. trump continues to be on a trash talking tear right now. he also launched another stunning attack on the late senator john mccain during remarks at an ohio tank factory. i will talk to congressman jamie raskin. our correspondents and analysts
are standing by. first, let's go to abby philips. she's joining us from ohio where the president spoke a little while ago. we heard the president go off on senator mccain yet again. >> reporter: that's right, wolf. he came here to talk about investments in the military and manufacturing jobs. instead, he continued his rant against senator john mccain who died seven months ago. this began over the weekend in a series of tweeting and continued into today. he wasn't the only person that president trump attacks. president trump started by attacking special counsel robert mueller and the husband of one of his top aides, kellyanne conway. >> let it come out. let people see it. >> reporter: a change of tune from president trump who now says he wants the public to see the mueller report. >> i think it's ridiculous. i want to see the report. you know who wants to see it? the tens of millions of people that love the fact we have the greatest economy we ever had.
>> reporter: this coming weeks after the president suggested his willingness to ingness for y depends what was in it. >> that's up to the attorney general. it depends. i have no idea what it's going to say. >> reporter: trump isn't giving up on his attacks on robert mueller. >> a man out of the blue writes a report. i know he is conflicted. i know that his best friend is comey. who is a bad cop. i know that there are other things. >> reporter: the president insisted this afternoon that he has no inside information about the timing of the report. he expressed confidence in his new attorney general william barr to make the final call. >> i have no yidea when it's going to be released. let it come out. let people see it. that's up to the attorney general. we have a very good attorney general. he is a very highly spre lly re man. we will see what happens. >> reporter: trump's attack on the mueller probe as he launched
into a rant against john mccain at a tank factory in ohio today. >> i have to be honest. i have never liked him much. hasn't been for me. i've really probably never will. >> reporter: blaming mccain for his handling of the dossier. >> john mccain received a fake and phony dossier. what did he do? didn't call me. he turned it over to the fbi hoping to put me in jeopardy. >> reporter: as the crowd listened silently, trump evoked mccain's funeral last summer in washington. >> i gave him the kind of funeral that he wanted. which as president i had to approve. i didn't get thank you. that's okay. >> reporter: trump feuding with the husband of his top aide kellyanne conway after her husband george questioned trump's mental stability. >> he is a whack job. there's no question about it. i don't know him.
i think he is doing a tremendous disservice to a wonderful wife. kellyanne is a wonderful woman. i call him mr. kellyanne. the fact is that he is doing a tremendous disservice to a wife and family. she's a wonderful woman. >> reporter: on the white house lawn and at the tank factory in ohio, trump paused for some show and tell. >> i brought this out for you because this is a map of everything in the red, this was on election night in 2016. >> reporter: months after he declared isis defeated and ordered his generals to withdraw u.s. troops from syria, the president acknowledged that 400 troops would remain. today, he insisted that isis is nearly gone. >> everything red is isis. when i took it over, it was a mess. now on the bottom, that's the exact same. is there no red. there's actually a tiny spot
which will be gone by tonight. >> reporter: in that audience today, there were many members of the military standing there listening as president trump attacked a decorated war here low. there hasn't been a lot of reaction to an attack on one of their own. hope hicks will cooperate. manu raju broke this story for us. what are you learning? >> reporter: hope hicks agreed to cooperate with the house judiciary committee as part of its investigation into the
president, an investigation into alleged abuse at the white house, alleged obstruction of justice and what the democrats believe is a corruption. jerry nadler, the chairman of the committee, sent a letter to hicks earlier this month asking her for a range of answers to questions that he had about the firing of former fbi director james comey, whether the president was involved in the false statements that michael flynn made to the fbi, her knowledge of the hush money payments made in the oval office, the president directed to michael cohen, his former personal attorney to essentially silence the stories about the alleged affairs that they were about to come out before the 2016 election as well as hope hicks' role in drafting a misleading statement that was given to the press in 2017 to discuss -- to respond to stories about donald trump junior's meetings with russians at trump tower in 2016. we are told that hope hicks will provide documents to the house
judicia judiciary committee. hope hicks' attorney would not comment. what's unclear is exactly how much she will ultimately reveal. the committee has asked her to turn over a diary that she apparently kept. we will see if she does that. when she met with the house intelligence committee last year, she would not discuss her communications and anything that occurred while she was serving in the white house, only would discuss things that happened during the campaign season. at that point, democrats were in the minority. they didn't have subpoena power. now they are in the ma juror jm. will hope hicks' cooperation change? steve bannon is cooperating with the house judiciary committee. one entity is not cooperate, the white house. democrats are expecting one response from the white house, part of a broader fight the democrats are having with the white house, hoping they provide information to a range of questions that they have.
we will see. >> we will see. manu raju on capitol hill. thanks very much. let's talk about the status of robert mueller's investigation right now. our exclusive new poll shows most americans want his findings to be made public. shimon prokupecz is joining us. mueller's team suggests this could be a busy week. what does that tell us? >> we're on wednesday now. it's a good question. what's not clear is why such a simple request -- this was a filing made from the washington mo post, why this would be consuming that the special counsel wouldn't have enough time to respond to it, why they would need more time and why they would specifically use those kinds of words. it's not clear what they're doing it this way. it could be they're stalling. they may not want to release some of the information. they may be trying to figure out if this is information they can release, whether investigators on the team and also the prosecutor who was on this case,
that's over at the department of justice, whether or not it's something that he wants to be released. >> they asked that the information that "the washington post" is seeing public information, that they get an extension of time through and including april 1. the counsel responsible for preparing the response faced other work and required additional time to consult within the government. >> that's what's so baffling for many of us. it's not clear why they would need more time to do something like this. the line about needing to consult with others is striking in that it could be that they want to talk to other people inside the government. it could be people at the fbi. there could be other investigations that some of this information is connected to. they need to make sure that they can go ahead and make it public. it's weird that they would use this kind of language to say, we need more time. essentially saying they are busy this week and they can't respond. obviously, what else could be going on?
we have not seen any indications that the special counsel's office is working on anything that is time consuming. it could be they are waiting to release the report and putting information together about that. it's really baffling. >> nearly all americans want the mueller report to be made public. democrats, republicans, independents. the president said, he doesn't have a problem releasing the mueller report to the american public. that kind of public pressure, how much impact -- of an impact will it have on the new attorney general bill barr? >> i don't think it's going to have any impact. he made it clear, other people we talked to at the department of justice that are involved in the decision making, i think they're going to stick to the guidelines. they do not want a repeat of what james comey did in releasing the hillary clinton e-mail. that investigation. they don't want to do anything like that. i think we're going to see them follow the guidelines and continue to try and withhold whatever information that is not allowed under the guidelines to be made public. it doesn't mean eventually all
this won't come out after lawsuits and requests. we will see what happens. >> we will. shimon, thank you very much. shimon prokupecz reporting. jamie raskin joining us. congressman, thanks for joining us. what are you hoping to learn from documents handed over by the former white house communications director hope hicks? >> let's see. i think you are one step ahead of me. i wasn't aware this was turned over. >> she agreed to hand over documents to the committee. they were 81 individuals and entities that you have been searching for information. she's willing to cooperate. >> well, look, what we expect is everybody to cooperate. these are all lawful requests. it's mandatory that everybody share whatever information they have got with congress. you know, we're looking for everything related to ongoing investigations related to the
trump administration, including the hush money payoffs, including the abuse of the security clearance process, including the emolument clause and payment from princes and foreign governments. the full range is what we are looking for. we expect everybody to cooperate and send in documents. >> you sit on the house oversight committee. elijah cummings says the white house is stonewalling attempts to attempt information. what are democrats prepared to do about that? >> right now, the white house has refused to send over a single document that chairman cummings and the oversight committee have requested with respect to several different investigations. we are receiving cooperation from other federal agencies, which make -- which makes the
white house's recalcitrance all the more striking. it stands out the president, who has time to watch "saturday night live" and sending out insults to senator mccain doesn't have time to comply with a request from the u.s. congress. we have constitutional oversight duty. when we ask for documents, they have to be turned over. nobody is above the law. prior presidents have complied. prior administrations have complied. we're not going to stand for the president not turning over documents that have been lawf lawfully requested. >> president trump seemed to reverse course telling reporters he would like robert mueller's report to be made public. are you encouraged by the rhetoric coming from the president on this day? >> i think he said pending the approval of the attorney general. >> i will read to you what he
said. he said, i don't mind, i mean, frankly, i told the house if you want, let them see it. he said that a few times. let them see it. >> good. he is taking the right position. the house voted overwhelmingly, maybe unanimously, that the document should be made public. what we're talking about in all these things is transparency and sunlight. congress is in article 1 the law making branch of government. we represent the people. james madison was clear that if the people are going to govern, we have to arm ourselves with the truth, the evidence and data about everything going none government. >> look at this new poll on impeachment, a cnn poll. according to our poll, support for impeachment has declined from 47% in september to 43% in december, all the way down to 36% today. 36%, you sit on the judiciary committee, the committee that would have to initiate
impeachment proceedings, hearings. are those poll numbers a warning sign to democrats? >> i think those poll numbers are a reflection of the wisdom of the american people. impeachment is an extraordinary remedy that's used in cases of high crimes and misdemeanors against the american people and against our form of government. at this point, we don't have all of the evidence in. we don't have a case that's been made for impeachment. everybody wants us to be focused on the issues that the new democratic majority was elected to confront. high prescription drug prices. we want to bring those down. election reform, we want to guarantee everybody's right to vote. we want health insurance for everybody. we're going to deal with the corruption and lawlessness in the administration. but we're going to be focused like a laser on the problems of the american people. i think that's what america wants us to do. >> congressman, thanks so much for joining us. >> thank you for having me. more breaking news ahead. is president trump serious about now wanting the mueller report
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released. let's bring in preet bharara, a senior legal analyst for cnn. he is the author of an important brand-new book. there you see the book cover. "doing justice, a prosecutor's thoughts on crime, punishment and the rule of law." a very important book. we will talk about it soon. let's talk about the news. the president says he would like to see robert mueller's report make public. do you take that as a sign the justice department, the new attorney general bill barr, is going to opt for transparency? >> i don't think it says anything at all about what bill barr will do. i don't think it says anything about what donald trump wants and what he might instruct bill barr to do if he thinks it's appropriate. we heard him time and time again say that he has no problem with something and then he does. he said for months, everybody will remember, that he had no problem sitting down with bob mueller and answering questions. he said it was up to his lawyers. did he some question he did some questions. there are times when donald
trump realizes he sounds defensive and he is afraid and running from something. he will say things like, i don't care. it doesn't bother me when it does. i don't think it's any evidence of anything that might happen in the future. >> it's not the bottom line by any means. you have this new book that's just out. you write about how important it is for the public to have faith in the judicial system. if you were in the shoes of the new attorney general bill barr -- i know you are not -- would you take public sentiment into account when making critical decisions about what to release from the mueller report? >> i think it's a complicated question. you have to be very careful. i think you don't want to take public perception and public sentiment into account when you are deciding something that's prescribed by statute or some principal of the justice department or policy. just because a lot of people want to see something, if it would unduly harm the rights of some individual who doesn't
deserve list righis rights to b violated in that way i think then you don't take public sentiment into account. you don't take public sentiment into account when you decide to bring a charge against someone. this is not a prosecutorial decision. on the other hand, i do think you want to be a little cognizant of public sent intere -- sentiment. you take into account public interest. there's deep public and congressional interest, i would say public interest may require that he be transparent. >> what form would you expect robert mueller's report to take? >> that's another one of the things we speculate about. i don't know.
my thought is thinking about how bob mueller goes about doing investigations and his team and the thoroughness with which they do them and indictments and criminal complaints have been detailed and lengthy. with respect to what format i think his report will take, he is required to describe decisions he made with respect to prosecutions and decisions he made with respect to declinations. my guess is it's thorough and complete and detailed with a lot of exhibits. >> in a new court filing robert mueller says his team is busy this week. he asked for more time to complete work on some unspecified work involving a petition from "the washington post" to get some information. let me read a piece of the statement that was released today. the counsel responsible for preparing response -- the response faced the press of other work and require
additional time to consult within the government. they asked for an extension at least through april 1. what do you think they could -- what do you think they're working on and why the delay? what does it mean? >> they could be working on the report. they could be working on other prosecutions coming down the pike relating to rick gates or something else. i wouldn't put too much in this. it's one lawyer who is -- who has work. lawyers do this all the time. they were often -- when i was a line prosecutor, i sought extensions because you have extenuating circumstances ant you want to do a good job. i wouldn't put too much stock in that. >> do you think it's a sign that the special counsel is still pursuing potentially additional indictments? >> i think it might be. combined with other information that we have -- i mentioned a second ago the document they put in on rick gates saying they want to delay sentencing for this person who pled guilty and is cooperating for 60 days because he tips continues to b
assistance. usually, you don't have that delay unless you think there may be further charges. maybe he is shoring up stuff. i don't want to predict. it seems to me that there's a good chance for further indictments. >> this book you have written, tell us a little bit why you wanted to write this book and what really stood out was what you told, especially the young lawyers, prosecutors working for you when you were the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. >> i wanted to write a book that's not about trump. trump is not mentioned so much. we spend too much time for it -- i think in this time when people talk about alternative facts and say truth isn't truth and the rule of law seems to be turned upside down. i think it's a moment to step back and take stock of basic
prince mr principles of how justice is accomplishes, how we deal with people and engage in arguments and should do in the public square. the phrase that i inherited when i was in the southern district was a mantra for us. not a slogan but a mission statement for us, which is your job is to do the right thing for the right reasons and the right way every day. no one is perfect. the office isn't perfect. it will never be perfect. no one is perfect. journalists are not, prosecutors are not, judges are not. they're all human beings. the aspiration was to do the job and the work in ways that people could understand why you were doing it and that led to a result that was fair and fair minded because the process -- that's why the book is called doing justice, it's a process of getting to a place where people can appreciate what you were doing. i want to emphasize, it's not a book just for lawyers. it's mostly not for lawyers. it's a book that tells stories about mob cases and terrorism cases and public corruption cases that have residents not just for lawyers but for
decision making people do in their own lives, whether you work in a bank or office or a teacherfarmer for that matter. how we decide how to be fair to people is an important question. i don't think it has every been as important as now. >> tell us that saying, that slogan one more time. i want our viewers to appreciate what goes through your mind as a former u.s. attorney trying to make sure the american public appreciates the enormity of what's going on right now. >> we said, all the time in the office, do the right thing in the right way for the right reasons. not because you want a particular result but because the justice process has to unfold in a fair way, in a fair minded way, and that's what the place was all about. >> you think that's going on right now, that slogan? are we doing what you want everyone -- especially in law enforcement -- to be doing? >> i don't have any inside information anymore. i'm not in the office anymore. the people would are working on these things are people that i know, most of them.
they have good hearts and good heads and good judgement and they will take the facts where they may lead. people will criticize. i got criticism for being too tough and some cases for being too soft. people need to trust that the men and women of the southern district, who i know better than any other office, are real people who care about doing things right. as all this attention is being focus on that office, because of the michael cohen case, know it's been around for -- since the beginning of the republic. it has a long and storied legacy. if you want to learn something about the dna of that place, the character, the culture of that place, you will -- you can if you take a look at my book. >> the stories in this book are really eye opening. i recommend it highly to all of our viewers. the book is called "doing justice, a prosecutor's thoughts on crime, punishment and the rule of law." preet bharara is the author. congratulations on the new book.
appreciate you joining us as usual. >> thank you. let's dig deeper on breaking news. our analysts are here. let's talk about the president of the united states. he is picking fights almost everywhere he goes now. including renewing the this battle with the late senator john mccain, with the husband of kellyanne conway. what explains these outbursts? he has so much going on right now. he is wasting time going after john mccain and george conway. >> in a way we shouldn't be surprised. this is who donald trump is. i remember after he won the presidency, there was lots of talk about pivoting and being more presidential. no. that didn't happen. this is an obsession he has with john mccain because john mccain didn't like him and didn't do what he thought he ought to do. it is full of grievance. the man has passed away. it's just beyond bad taste.
i'm not quite sure how to react to it other than to say, really? you are the president of the united states and you are talking about a war hero, although he never admitted he was a war hero, in ways like this saying he never thanked me? well, he was -- >> for the funeral. >> he was in the grave, number one. number two, this is what was expected. maybe he did the airplane or the service or the lying in state or whatever. he got applauded at the time if you recall, donald trump that is, for doing right thing. now he is saying, well, never mind, i never got thanked. >> last week, the president tweeted there shouldn't be a mueller report. it's the greatest witch hunt, greatest hoax in american history. the president is now saying the american public should see it. what changed? >> he said before -- i would be happy for folks to see it. what remains to be seen is, what
does that mean? we have to learn what is in this before we can rely on what didn't real donald trump wants the people to see. once we have what is in it, then i think we need to press the president on why not have everything released? what is happening here is that donald trump doesn't know which side is the best side for him on this just yet. it may be that if this report exonerates him and fully supports the notion that there's no collusion, then, yes, donald trump is going to be the loudest person on there saying, read every word of this that supports my conclusion. if that's not what bob mueller comes to, you can imagine that donald trump will dismiss it and say, it's not worth american people spending their time reading it. >> he seems to suggest that he has nothing to hide. you think he is sincere when he says that? >> i think the president clearly understands public perception. if there's one thing the president does understand, it's that. when he says, put it out there, he knows saying anything else
will make it look like he has something to hide. this is a go sttwo step. if the report clears him, it clears him great. if it doesn't completely clear him of suspicion, the next thing that he will say is, well, it's to the lawyers. it's to attorney general barr that we can't release all information. it's not up to me. i wanted the public to see it. >> look at these numbers. the american public clearly wants to see this report. 80% of republicans say yes. 88% of independents say yes. 95% of democrats say yes. would it be appropriate for the new attorney general bill barr to take american public opinion into consideration in deciding what to release? >> i don't think he should take public opinion into consideration. he does need to take the public interest into consideration. barr is likely to couch his decision about how much of this report to release in legal or constitutional terms. this is a discretionary
balancing test between the need for confidentiality, the public interest. there's an overwhelming public interest here. ordinarily, with we talk not about a mueller report, but about a barr report. that attorney general report that's going to summarize that underlying information. i think in this case, anything less than the original mueller report isn't going to cut it. there isn't that level of trust. the report might not be the final sort of word we hear from bob mueller. if congress doesn't feel like it's gotten enough information, they are likely to call mueller to testify. if mueller doesn't feel as if important information has gotten to pthe public, he might be forthcoming. >> those numbers suggest should the democrats call mueller to testify, the public is going to be behind them on wanting to hear from the special counsel sfwl there. >> there's a unanimous vote in the house -- >> 420 to nothing. >> when does that happen? saying we want to release that.
trump tweeted, i told leaderships to vote for transparency. makes us look good and doesn't matter. play along with the game. as if this is a game. >> if the president says executive privilege, we're not releasing this, how will thattism pathat i impact the presidential election? >> i think it will impact our immediate politics first, which is that again because of the political pressure that will be there for some sort of information, it will give democrats a strength in hand on capitol hill. in terms of a presidential election a year and a half from now, i don't know the decision of releasing information or not will play directly into that. it will be part of the information relating to this probe that has been the dominant thing, the cloud hanging over the first term of the trump presidency. >> in this new poll, there's a significant decline in the percentage of americans who want to see the president impeached.
look at these numbers. only 36% of the american public wants to see the president impeached and removed from office. last september, 47% wanted to see the president impeach and removed from office. what's behind the decline? >> i think those numbers suggest that speaker pelosi is smart and knows the public she's serving. they go along with those numbers that say the american public, includingrepublicans, want to see what's in the report. without knowing what's in the report, without knowing if there's something that's definitively to the president's guilt in some way or some criminal activity, that they don't want to proceed with impeachment proceedings. so this plays into the strategy the democrats have right now, full throttle on investigations and hearings, holding back on formal impeachment. >> is this a warning sign to house democrats who want to begin impeachment hearings in the house judiciary committee? n
>> it might be a warning to those more aggressive democrats. it speaks to as david said the suggestion that the current record isn't enough to support impeachment. we will see if more information comes out in the mueller report or additional investigation. these are still astounding numbers. 40% of the american public believe the president should be removed from office. maybe the president is keeping sort of a ma jurjority against impeachme impeachment. >> if you break that down, a lot of it is democratic based politics at not republicans with whom he has a 90% -- 89% approval rating. >> i want to get back to john mccain, the late senator. i'm going to play a clip of what the president just today said about senator mccain. >> what do you think of mccain? not my kind of guy. i have never liked him much.
hasn't been for me. mccain didn't get the job done. he went thumbs down. badly hurting the republican party, badly hurting our nation. i gave him the kind of funeral that he wanted. which as president, i had to approve. i don't care about this. i didn't get thank you. that's okay. we sent him on the way. i wasn't a fan of john mccain. >> what's up with that? >> it's a complete obsession and it's one that doesn't come out with a good look for president trump. the comparison of john mccain and his life of service to president trump is one that does not work well politically for president. he learned that at the time of senator mccain's damaeath last august. look at his poll numbers last august when the country was in a moment of understanding through the grief and -- around john mccain's death, a moment of understanding what it was to come together politically, which the country did for a moment, in
complete contrast to the trump era. he is continuing this. it's not one that works. >> it doesn't work for him as michael cohen testified. the president told him he didn't have bone spurs. you have somebody who served, was in five years a pow. donald trump refuses to call him a hero. you have the bone spur issue. how can he do that? i don't even understand it. >> david, senator isaacson of georgia, he condemned what the president is saying. mit r m mitt romney issued a statement. >> it's gross. no one brought up to think it's okay to dance on someone's grave the way the president did today. that being said, republicans can reap holes. they know that most republican voters are with president trump. most are scared to go cross on
him on an issue that he feels that strongly about. >> how about vetveterans? >> john mccain was alive at the time, a lot of republicans in 2015 completely denounced his comments about john mccain not being a war hero. donald trump went on to win the republican nomination. to your point about reading the polls and where the party is, i don't think this is going to damage him. once again, the story of donald trump politically is, what does he do to expand? this is something that does hurt him with independents. it's the thing that drove them to the democrats in the 2018 mid didn midterms. >> what about senator lindsey graham's position? >> fii find that befuddling. lu lindsey graham's identity is because of john mccain. that's how the country got to know lindsey graham. he proved himself to be the most loyal of friends to john mccain.
that doesn't seem to impact lindsey graham's thinking about his relationship with donald trump. whether that's because he is up for re-election and understanding where the politics is. >> you think? >> it's astonishing to see john mccain's best friend -- he will brush back the president. it's astonishing to watch him take this. >> when the president railed in ohio at a tank factory, there was a lot of military personnel there, they manufacture u.s. army tanks, and they were stunned by all accounts to hear the president use this occasion to talk about tank production the u.s. defense, all of a sudden rail against john mccain. >> they are shocking and disgraceful comments. one of the things on the table in 2020 is this question about what we want in a president that
has nothing to do with policy and to do with leadership. . a president who can lead the nation. i think this will look very, very badly and reflect poorly on donald trump, whenever americans are trying to make cthat choice >> his personal characteristics as we look at our polls are his achilles heel. we know that. he is not clearly not able to -- not able and not willing to take any of that into consideration. >> we have more news we're following. don't go too far away. there's a major announcement about the boeing 737 max and the issue that led to its global grounding. fact is, every insurance company hopes you drive safely. but allstate actually helps you drive safely... with drivewise. it lets you know when you go too fast... ...and brake too hard. with feedback to help you drive safer. giving you the power to actually lower your cost.
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with the investigation, there was an off duty pilot in the cockpit who saw the problems that the flight crew was having in terms of the indications and the warnings happening and the difficulty controlling the plane. it was that off duty pilot who hopped in to diagnose the problem and correct the problem. that flight continued without the autopilot which had been deactivated and landed safely. what's critical is that it indicates a difficulty in diagnosing what the problem was and how to fix that problem. that, of course, was crucial on the next flight. reuters is reporting according to three people who heard the cockpit voice recorder, from that doomed flight indicating the flight crew, the pilot and second in command were trying to diagnose the problems they were having. the difficulty they were having controlling the plane, figuring out what was wrong and correcting that before the plane crashed. that didn't happen. the mraplane crashed. this is crucial because it's the same system that experts say will be scrutinized carefully
with the ethiopian airlines crash. as all this is happening, you pointed out, the faa says boeing is developing software and training. the faa says that will receive close scrutiny of its own >> do we know why the same lion airplane was allowed to fly just one day after such a very close call? >> it's difficult to get inside the heads of the operators of lion air, but we know from the preliminary investigation that they had the faulty indications from the air speed as well as the angle of the sensor, and the pilots after landing the flight the day before the crash told the engineers, the engineers flushed the system, cleaned the system, ground tested the system, and everything checked out. from their perspective, it was a problem on one flight that had been fixed. what parentally they failed to realize, this was a repetitive problem, that it happened on two earlier flights as well. similar issues, and that perhaps is what led to the flight going up again on the day it crashed. boeing is hoping, of course,
they can get their planes back in the air as soon as possible, perhaps with the additional training and upgraded software, but air canada, for example, have said their 737 max series will stay grounded until july 1st. if other countries follow that lead, it will be a major blow to boeing. >> 346 men, women, and children were killed in the plane crashes. oren liebermann, thanks very much. just ahead, beto o'rourke campaigns in a key state. we're live on the trail to the 2020 campaign.
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democratic presidential candidate beto o'rourke is revealing new details uthis fund-raising haul. jessica dean caught up with him in new hampshire where she is right now with all of the latest on the race for the democratic nomination. new hampshire, of course, holds the first primary, the 2020 race for the white house. what's the latest? >> well, of course, it's a very important state for that very reason. and this is a place where retail politics matters, wolf. and beto o'rourke making the most of his time here in new hampshire. he's going to have his fourth stop here at the university of new hampshire, this as he promises to visit all ten states on this trip. >> how is everybody doing today? >> on his first swing through new hampshire as a presidential
candidate. >> that gives me some hope. >> beto o'rourke is touting his record 6.1 million dollar fund-raising haul in his first 24 hours. >> more than 128,000 unique contributions made in the first 24 hours from every state in the country. $47 was the average contribution. >> still, o'rourke is facing questions about his lack of policy specifics. >> i can tell you that i have had, i think, upwards of 30 events in iowa, in wisconsin, in michigan, in pennsylvania. in new hampshire. as you have seen, i take questions from anyone. i make time to take questions from members of the press on any policy issue that anyone cares about. >> we asked him to outline his stance on immigration during a stop in keen. >> what is beto o'rourke's immigration policy? >> let's free those dreamers who have already contributed so much to our country's success from any fear of deportation.
let's acknowledge there are millions of fellow americans working some of the toughest jobs in the shadows, sometimes paid less than minimum age. let's bring them out of the shadows which will make us safer. >> meanwhile, joe biden continues to dance around a possible entry into the 2020 race, with people close to the former vice president telling cnn an announcement is a matter of when, not if. biden has been working to shore up major endorsements and is making calls to donors ahead of an expected april announcement. >> another sign, according to politico, a democratic ad maker had been spotted in biden's hometown of scranton, pennsylvania, outside the home biden grew up in. this as some 2020 democrats push for big changes, such as calling for the electoral college to be abolished. >> we can have national voting, and that means get rid of the electoral college. >> president trump dismissing the idea, writing in a tweet, quote, i used to like the idea of the popular vote.
but now realize the electoral college is far better for the usa. several democrats also saying they're open to expanding the supreme court. >> we need to begin the debate on what it will take to make sure our supreme court justice is less political. >> another idea opposed by the president. >> the only reason that they're doing that is they want to try to catch up. so if they can't catch up through the ballot box by winning an election, they want to try doing it in a different way. it won't happen. i guarantee it won't happen for six years. >> and of course, ten counties here in new hampshire, and we have been to a number of them today. here's what's interesting. people are incredibly enthusiastic, wolf, to hear from all of these democrats candidates. they're turning out for beto o'rourke right now, but they're very interested in these ideas and what all of these candidates have to say. there is certainly an appetite for this. people very ready to vote in 2020. wolf. >> jessica dean reporting for us. thank you. >> and later tonight, please
join us for a cnn presidential town hall with 2020 candidate former colorado governor john hickenlooper, dana bash moderates life from the cnn center in atlanta later tonight. 10:00 p.m. eastern only on cnn. thanks for watching. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. >> "outfront" next, breaking news. trump confidante hope hicks cooperating with house investigators tonight. the white house, though, continues to stonewall. plus, the president goes after john mccain again and again and again. tonight, in a lengthy rant, accusing mccain of not doing enough for vets. >> why aren't more republicans standing up to the president? and breaking news, the justice department issuing subpoenas in a criminal investigation into boeing. let's go "outfront." >> good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront," the breaking news. one of pt. p's most trusted confidantes, his former communications director hope hicks is now