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pressure mounts on boeing as part of a criminal investigation into the company's 737 max planes. two of those jets crashed in the past six months, killing hundreds. "the lead" starts now. is the president trying to deflect the meteor that robert mueller is about to drop? "the lead" starts right now. bracing for impact. the white house getting ready for the final mueller report, that could be completed at any moment as the fired ex-fbi director lays out what he wants to see happen from the report. it may surprise you. and two for the price of one? new buzz surrounding joe bideen and his potential running mate before he's actually even in the race. plus, president trump tweets a major policy change about israel. is it about a change in the
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middle east or is it about boosting his pal bibi before the election? the white house, washington and the world waiting for robert mueller to submit his final report. that is our politics lead today. early this morning, special counsel robert mueller was spotted arriving at his office building in washington as we expect him to finish his report any day now, outlining the findings of what is now a two-year long investigation. the white house is bracing but for exactly what and when, they don't know. one official telling cnn they are reading the tea leaves just like everyone else. mean tile as cnn abby philip reports both the white house and the trump campaign are gearing up to respond. >> no collusion. no collusion. i have no idea when it will be released. >> reporter: the white house on edge today as they await the release of special counsel robert mueller's report. behind the scenes aides have been preparing for a number of
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scenarios. one white house official telling cnn today, we're tea leaf reading like everyone else but emmitt flood has held meetings to determine how they might respond. their response will be based on what attorney general bill barr decides to release to congress about mueller's conclusions and what, if anything, the president is asserted of as wrongdoing. >> it's sort of interesting that a man, just out of the blue, writes a report. i got 63 million votes and now somebody just writes a report? i think it's ridiculous. >> meantime, the white house rejecting request from democrats to obtain documents tied to president trump's communications with russian president vladimir putin. >> i have great confidence in my intelligence people but i will tell you that president putin
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was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today. >> reporter: in a letter to three democratic committee chairmen, white house claiming presidential communications with foreign leaders is protected and confidential. appropriate oversight requests we are unaware of any president to such sweeping requests. >> reporter: some of the president's advisers are happy about one thing. if this investigation ends at this point, it would have ended without president trump sitting down for a formal interview with robert mueller. of course, democrats on capitol hill are hoping to pick up right where robert mueller leaves off. brianna? >> abby philip at the white house. thank you so much. we have a little bit of breaking news just moments ago.
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former fbi director james comey wrote in an op-ed about the mueller report. in it, he makes the argument that he hopes that president trump is not impeached. this is the quote. i hope that mr. trump is not impeached and removed from office before the end of his term because if mr. trump were removed from office by congress, a significant portion of this country would see this as a coup, and it would drive those people farther from the common center of american life, more deeply fracturing our country. what do you think, jamal? >> i think this entire op-ed just feels like so much james comey. on one hand this, on the one hand that. i don't hope that they're going to find anything about him, but i do think that we should find out whether or not he committed any crimes. i mean, just all of it seems -- there's no there there in this piece to me. even the point about impeachment. if we have found the president is a national security risk, if he is a counterintelligence risk, if there are things about his financial background and his personal behavior that make him
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susceptible to foreign influence, that is something that is a national problem that the congress should deal with because that's their job. >> mike, what do you think? >> first of all we're all hoping this report will come out. and i thep think partly so we don't have to hear from james comey anymore. of course, he's popping up on the scene again to offer his thoughts. look, i think this is the beginning of the great walkback. this is what happens when everyone gets out over their skis. oh, my gosh, russian collusion. now the report is going to come out and we'll see how many democrats and people in the media learn from ralph northham how to do the moonwalk and say well i'm not really for impeachment. there's probably nothing there. we should just make sure justice happens. i totally agree with that. we should make sure this is done properly and he's exonerated and when nothing is found wrong, we should move on. >> what do you think? >> i think james comey wants to be the beaconness of fair handedness.
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he destroyed that when he did the press conference right before the election. this is written from somebody who rarely speaks publicly, who is weighing in to sort of be the godfather of truth and justice and the american way. but the problem is he has destroyed his reputation on that front. so they printed it because he's james comey, but it's not going to have the impact that i think he intends, because he's james comey. he doesn't have credibility to basically say nothing in this op-ed because he's basically saying what we should all agree on. nobody wants the president of the yunited states, in any case to be impeached. nobody wants the president to be colluding with a foreign government. but there are facts on the table beyond that obvious agreement. >> you say he doesn't speak publicly but he does pick his moments. >> he does speak. >> a lot. >> this isn't somebody who sits on the high mountain top and everybody looks to what is their view. james comey, what does he think?
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this says very little that is of interest. >> might increase his book sales. >> do you think robert mueller wants him out there? >> no. >> mary katherine? >> no. these days my kingdom for a former government official rarely speak in public. i would like to say something nice about comey because everybody is taking whacks but i can't find a way to do it. i think he is right about impeachment. instead of through this other thing, because i think it will make people feel more isolated who are already feeling isolated. despite the fact that i agree with him, he does find a way to say things, which may be a gold mine in the future. >> there was never a meeting where donald trump sat with vladimir putin and decided s subvert the american election. the question could be, is donald
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trump susceptible to foreign influence because he's running a criminal enterprise out of trump tower? if that is the case, congress has a responsibility to deal with that. >> we don't know yet what will be in the mueller report. what is clear is that we will know very soon. jen, as someone who was communications director at the white house under president obama, how, in that position as a white house official, do you approach something like this, that is going to come out? you don't really know what's in it. it's possibly very damaging. you can possibly spin it to say that it's positive. what do you do? >> and they're not going to know tod today, in all likelihood. what we're going to know today, potentially, i guess, if it comes out, is that it has been received and there will be a period of time where the department of justice is going to put together a summary report to go to congress. they're going to be in this never-ending period of not knowing. that's a terrible place to be
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in. i'm fortunate that i worked in a white house that didn't have a special counsel investigation. however, i think what they are attempting to do, and it's hard to see how this is actually what's happening, but they're trying to focus on other issues and guide the narrative in other directions. that is strategically what they should do. when this comes out, that will be nearly impossible to do. they don't control the narrative. it is not infrastructure week forever. >> the person who decides the narrative is the president. >> true. >> communications director, chief of staff, press secretary. so whatever comes out of this, everyone will be looking to him to say what are we doing? he will tweet and talk about it and that will set the tone for everybody. >> do you struggle to imagine a situation, mary katharine, that even when it's in the hands -- just that much. it's gone over to the justice department, that the president isn't tweeting something about it and what should or should he not be tweeting? >> he can stay his hand on
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important issues that affect him we've seen, but not forever. not for an extended period of time. i would imagine you'll get some thoughts from him on this. like you said, it will dictate what everyone else is able to do. i will say it feels like the story line -- people are getting a feeling of what's coming out of the mueller report and the feeling is that we're moving in a direction where they could say this was sold as a lot bigger than the results. >> to that point there's a source telling cnn -- there's a sense of optimism in the white house, right? when they look at where are the charges that have to do with collusion? there aren't any at this point. so they're looking at that. they're optimistic. they're predicting that this is something that they will be able to make more rosie for the president, jamal. >> it certainly seems like they are trying to portray that in public. the question becomes also the president's son is in jeopardy here. perhaps there is a referral out of this report about the president's son that goes to one of these u.s. attorneys.
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so, the president himself, because he seems like he's a pretty deft manipulator at not being the one who is ever caught actually doing the thing, but he does seem like, according to cohen, maniafort and others that he suggests things to people, or implies he should do things whachlt happens if roger stone, don junior, a couple of people who already got manafort convicted, national security adviser convicted. a lot of people are facing jail time who were close to the president of the united states. imagine if that would have happened to anyone else. >> 37 people and entities charged. six trump associates have been charged, found guilty or sentenced to prison. >> because the democrats. adam schiff i know for a fact there was collusion, now chairman of the house intelligence committee, one of their rock stars who just got elected, we're going to impeach
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the mfer. the entire narrative of the democratic party and in the media has been russian collusion, russian collusion. they created that narrative. look, i worked in the '90s in the house. i have been there when we went after bill clinton. the base of the democratic party will go nuts no matter what this thing says and nancy pelosi and the leadership, who may not have anything that they can can take to them that has anything materially that they can do. it will cause a huge problem for them and it will benefit the white house because they'll look crazy and the white house will look exonerated. >> you went after the clinton administration on a land deal that happened when he was governor of arkansas. >> that's right. and it changed -- >> hold on one second. let me finish. what you discovered was that the president had an affair with someone in the white house. and then he perjured himself when talking about that affair. what you may discover here is that there is something more here than what people --
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>> i love the fact that you brought that up. when you start in one place and then shift, the american people say -- and then a sex scandal to try to get someone, this is a big joke. the economy is doing great. you guys are so obsessed with this sex scandal. it's partisan politics. you're investigating because you don't like him anymore. >> we know trump hash a sex scandal. >> if you look back at that period of time, it was a mistake for the republicans to go in that direction but the reality is that republicans held on to house seats, won the presidency, however that all happened, in 2000, and held on to control for a while. >> we lost six seats in '98. so the '98 midterm turned -- i was there. '98 midterm turned on impeachment. it was a rejection because we had gone too far. part of the reason was we started in one place and shifted and the public said the reason you're shifting is because politically you want to get him. we want you to do our work and
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not go to congress and get the president. >> you held on to the house. i was there, too, until 2006. all i'm saying is this notion that impeachment is always terrible politics is not entirely always true, even historically. >> stay with me, you guys. president trump also loved talking about hillary clinton, but specifically hillary clinton's e-mails during the campaign. now it appears that his son-in-law and senior adviser, jared kushn ekushner may have f in her footsteps. sending a tweet with global consequences that could influence another country's election. hey, who are you? oh, hey jeff, i'm a car thief... what?! i'm here to steal your car because, well, that's my job. what? what?? what?! (laughing) what?? what?! what?! [crash] what?! haha, it happens. and if you've got cut-rate car insurance, paying for this could feel like getting robbed twice. so get allstate...
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on capitol hill. >> reporter: this involves four senior trump administration officials, including notably, two members of the trump family, ivanka trump and jared kushner along with steve bannon and kt mcfarland. this is information that chairman cummings said he received during a december meeting with abby lowell, jared and ivanka's lawyer. and it showed that they used personal accounts to conduct private government -- excuse me, to conduct government business, potentially in violation of the presidential records act. specifically on jared, chairman cummings saying he was told jared used the private messaging app what's app to conduct business specifically to communicate with foreign leaders. of course, raising the question, if potentially classified information might have been communicated, brianna. lowell, their lawyer, pushing back on that communication today, saying he never
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communicated that jared's communications over what's app were with foreign leaders specifically. >> so there are some people who are cooperating, there are some who are not cooperating with democratic investigations into the trump administration. tell us, who's who? >> that's right. a lot of movement here, brianna. hope hicks, she says that she will cooperate with the request coming from house judiciary. she will hand over documents in their investigation related to certainly her time with president trump. her time on the campaign and the white house. meantime trump's long-time confidante, roger stone, his lawyers say he's refusing to cooperate, won't produce any documents or appear before the committee for any interviews at this time. this flurry of activity not only underscores the muscle that democrats are flexing on oversight but this ongoing tug of war over information. >> sunlen, thank you so much. i have to ask, mike, the
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president was so profuse in his criticism for hillary clinton over her e-mail. why would jared kushner and ivanka trump make the same mistake? >> their lawyer has said they take screen shots of these things and send them to their e-mail to keep a record of them which is vastly different from creating a server and putting it in your house to never have it come through the government. so i think the lawyer for the kushners said they were complying with the law on this. >> hillary clinton sent her e-mail communications that were pertinent into the system and, therefore, was in compliance the same way that jared and ivanka are. they're completely opening themselves up to problems here. why not e-mail on your government e-mail and not create the problem that was clearly such a giant issue for someone in the prior administration? >> i don't know the answer to that. i know he is conducting diplomacy with a foreign leader and that foreign leader and he are talking this way and he has sought counsel. he talked to his lawyers about
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how to do this. if you're following the advice of counsel and they're telling you how to do it, you believe that's the right way to proceed. >> aside from following your counsel, you were a top administration official, a top white house official. and at the state department. what is the process that you go through to understand that you're not supposed to do this? >> well, you're briefed repeatedly when you start working in the white house about how information needs to be preserved, how you should use your government e-mail. it's very clear, there's no confusion about it. and, actually, communicating with a foreign official, using your personal e-mail, is exactly what you should not be doing, because that's the kind of information and kind of interaction over e-mail that should be captured. that's one of the areas that secretary clinton was criticized for, and people who have worked in the state department have been criticized for because you shouldn't be keeping those off of a server and off of a government server. that, to me, is much more
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jarring than if they're talking about recipes, evening plans or whatever they're talking about. >> to be fair, which is a very self interested argument but go ahead. >> i would say that hillary clinton released tens of thousands of her e-mails. i look forward to reading jared and ivanka's e-mails when they release tens of thousands of them. climate change, foreign leaders or business dealings. we don't know. that's the standard that should now be applied. >> when the obama administration was in place acres lot of friends in the administration, if i ever e-mailed them something that had to do with official business, the response was let's discuss this on my professional e-mail. they would cc that e-mail address from their g-mail. >> move the conversation. >> and move the conversation over to the official channel. >> even when you -- >> just to find out a schedule. >> it's safe to say near what's app or a private server at your home are part of the briefing. stick to the briefing. do what is safe. give all of the public access to the things that we deserve a
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look at, access to. they're supposed to go through the server so you can't parse after the fact what is important and what is not because it's actually our stuff, security factors aside. look, this is -- i just -- the trump administration has a very lax idea of what best practices are. >> one of the things you just mentioned could actually be happening. something starts somewhere and moves over. what hillary did was nothing. everything was going to be on my home server. jared and ivanka are going to be using hoechlt e-mail and then say no, i'm moving this over to the government e-mail. the idea that they're doing all of their business on this is not what's being reported. >> jared kushner was reported to have asked for a private communications channel with the russians while he was in transition, while he was an official going into the white house, talking to an ambassador because he has a foreign policy
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portfolio. >> one of the questions is that jared kushner has a history, i think we can all admit, of not accurately giving all information that is required, right? >> that's fair. >> correct? it is under his honor system that he will provide these communications. that's problematic. >> he's sending them, as counsel has told him to, to his government e-mail. yes, let's be clear. based on the history, he has amended his documents many times. >> just to clarify, it's only foilable if you're e-mailing with an agency, not white house e-mails. that's one of the reasons why they need to be part of the presidential records act. >> freedom information act. >> yes. >> you can request information, as mary katharine said these are our communications. >> if you sought counsel, if you've gone to white house counsel's office and said how should i conduct my business and
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you're following what the white house counsel is doing, that's apparently what they've done and what counsel is saying they've done. i don't think -- if you're complying with what the counsel has told you to do, i don't think there's an issue here. >> the honor system issue is what's raised. we're relying on jared and ivanka by their honor to transfer things over to their government accounts. there are reasons that things are on their government accounts from beginning to end. >> maybe someone broke the law and we don't know about it, but let's talk about it as if they did break the law but we don't know. you could say that about every government official. >> isn't that why you start on your government e-mail, to get rid of that question? >> maybe they didn't initiate the conversation. maybe someone in saudi arabia, who uses what's app all the time perhaps says i need to talk to you about this. >> do you know that, mike? >> no. >> or are you assuming? >> it's plausible. >> that can't be a defense. >> it's a plausible conversation
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just like everything else we're talking about. >> except there is a history of jared kushner not looking for ways to be on the official record of his communication with foreign officials. there's a history of jared kushner asking for private channels to communicate with foreign government officials and be then being told he can't and now we have a story of jared kushner communicating on a private e-mail application and being told he shouldn't do it that way. why is it that they just can't do business the way everyone else in government does business, on their official government record? >> like hillary clinton did? >> hillary clinton's not president. she's not secretary of state. >> she is not president. >> what she did wasn't okay. her doing something that wasn't okay does not make this okay. >> why are you throwing hillary clinton into the mix here? what a red herring. >> because, a, he can't pretend everyone's noses are clean. although we can advocate for
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best practices, which is not what i think is what's going on here. there's a way to keep your nose cleaner. >> talk to white house counsel. if they tell you it's okay, it's okay. >> we'll see if that's what happened. he hasn't even said -- he's running for president yet, but there's talk about joe biden running mate? we'll discuss.
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he hasn't even officially joined the 2020 race, but vice president joe biden has hunkered down with his key advisers, wondering if picking a vice president candidate early would help meet president trump. and it could be stacey abrams. former colorado governor john hi hickenlooper stumbled during a town hall after being asked about picking a female running mate. jeff zeleny is follow iing this >> reporter: he didn't clear the field. now joe biden is poised to join it. the question is whether he will do it as a solo act. talk of a running mate is highly premature for any candidate. unless it's part of the strategy. that's one thing that biden and
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his advisers are weighing. inside team biden, conversations are under way about whether making a vice presidential selection early would strengthen his chances or highlight potential weaknesses. at biden's invitation he met last week with stacey abrams, rising democratic star who narrowly lost the georgia governor race but was tapped to give the democratic rebuttal. aides have discussed other names with the ultimate goal of keeping the race focused on defeating president trump. >> i actually expect biden, if he gets in, to pick a vice president early. >> really? >> i think that might happen before the convention. but on announcement day, i would be a little surprised. >> reporter: the question of running mates is coming up a lot these days, including last night at a cnn town hall with former governor john hickenlooper.
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>> some of your opponents have vowed to put a woman on the ticket. would you? >> well, of course. why would we not be asking more often the women would you be willing to put a man on the ticket? >> senator elizabeth warren was asked that very question. >> i'm going to put someone on the ticket who will fight about americans. that's what matters most. >> as far as joe biden, i hope he gets into the race. i do. you know why? this guy has, in so many ways, defined service to his country? >> so the idea of joe biden entering the race, there's not much cess spence around that. there is suspense around the idea of when he would. i am told by advisers he is looking at a potential announcement time at the end of april, not the beginning of april. advisers say they still have not gotten the signal from him yet and they would need three weeks or so to get that going. brianna, at this point it would
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be much more of a surprise if he would not run. they think he will. the question is when and, of course, the strategy hanging over this. >> how involved is he in this stacy abrams talk? >> it's interesting. his advisers are having this conversation with him. they are having it at his blessing, with his -- as he's listening to it. but we're told that stacy abrams, he enjoyed his conversation with her last week but there's not any decision of having this done on day one. advisers say he almost certainly will not announce a running mate at the very beginning. one adviser explained it like this. you don't throw a hail mary pass at the beginning of a game. >> you do not. you do not do that. jeff zeleny, thank you so much. you don't throw a hail mary pass at the beginning of the game. >> great quote. >> excellent. that's exactly what's going on here. what do you think about this reporting of jeff's? >> i'm pretty skeptical that the stacy abrams thing is a fully
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cooked plan. i was around the vice president for about a decade. while i didn't work directly for him he is somebody, to his credit, who loves to talk. he loves to play scenarios out. he loves to -- he has a very close-knit group of aides, who he has a lot of calls and meetings with. and the support for the democratic party. so it may be hey, what about stacy abrams and he said that's interesting. that's my bet. i think he's line iing up all t chips here to look like he's running. they do need some time if he decides. i wouldn't be shocked if he comes to the brink and decides not to either. >> really? >> yeah. >> up to 95%. the 96 to 100% is probably a longer sprint or longer distance than up to 95%. he has a lot of factors. he knows what it takes. he has a lot of considerations but we'll see. i certainly hope he jumps in. >> if he does, jeff is saying
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he's eyeing an april announcement but that doesn't mean soon april. that could mean the end of april. >> it certainly could mean longer off. if anybody were to make a mistake and throw a hail mary at the beginning of the game, it might be joe biden. oops, let's try this. i basically agree with you. how -- it seems a little weak sauce to do this coming out of the gates. how much flash you'll get for this in a news cycle, it's a big news story to add somebody to your ticket. how much will you gain but then lose later on down the road because you've blocked yourself from all these other options. >> the idea of preserving that energy later. >> right. >> and also not boxing yourself in, jamal. we heard joe trippy who said i've been through a vetting process for a vp. that's not possible at this time. >> unless they're vetting for right now, which we don't know. that could be true. what's interesting and most
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exciting news here vice president biden is taking the challenges of running in this new democratic party seriously. there's been a lot of concerns that the team assembled around him has not been as diverse as the modern democratic party is. this means they are seriously thinking about how to navigate the african-american, latino, more female democratic party that currently exists than the one that existed when he ran for president the last two times. i'm encouraged that they're even thinking about an idea like this. >> "new york times" is saying biden is looking at ways to reassure voters about his age. they say his team is considering announcing this running mate, of course, because of that. but how should he compensate for his age? does he need to compensate for his age? >> beto also talked about naming cabinet members early. so what i really see going on is a white guy running in the modern democratic primary has a
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problem. maybe you do need to put a hail mary in your strategy to even run. democratic electorate will have a difficult path for a white candidate to get through without addressing that. why stop at vice president? he should start naming his entire -- alexandria ocasio-cortez, start picking the stars of the democratic party. if a republican did this, we would be accused of tokenism, right? how could you -- it's interesting that stacy abrams is sort of okay to be used by vice president biden to address his whiteness. >> maybe it's not that the white guys have a problem but that the democratic party has an advantage that it can tract people from all these different backgrounds and now they're looking to keep everybody invested to move toward a future that every american gets to participate in the future that we're all part of and not the republican party that is dismissing women and focusing on a president that is misogynist
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and racist. >> that's a good way to get into that talking point. kamala harris, cory booker, amy klobuchar, the candidates that have an advantage going into iowa -- >> you mean bernie, beto? >> they have a disadvantage. people are starting to question them, how are you going to get elected, how are you going to win this primary as a white male? they're getting defensive and nervous about it early on. >> i think you're misreading the democratic electorate perhaps. some of them are leading in the polls, including in those states. it's so early it doesn't matter at this point. >> then why talk about it? why do this if it's not a problem? >> because vice president biden has been in politics 40 years. he knows he's an older, white man. >> that's what i'm talking about. >> and he needs to appeal to a broader diverse american public. he knows what his weaknesses are. >> that's exactly what i'm
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breaking news, just moments ago the man who sent explosives to more than a dozen politicians and members of the media, including cnn, caesar saiock,
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was arrested in october. he initially entered a plea of not guilty. let's go now to cnn's brynn gingrass joining us live from outside the courthouse. so, what happened in the courtroom? >> yeah, brianna. he initially said he was not guilty and changed his plea after an agreement with the government, pleading guilty to 65 different counts. 65. and the judge actually had to group them together including interstate transport of explosives, interstate commerce and of course sayock has now pled guilty and laid it out in court, sending devices that were made to look like bombs through the u.s. mail to 16 people and organizations, of course. we remember when this happened last fall. he sent them to james clapper, barack obama, to maxine waters and, of course, cnn as well. he said in very descriptive terms exactly what those bombs
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were made of, explaining that they were -- included an alarm clock, that they had wires attached, that there was firework powder in each of them and a big thing that the government made him point out was that he knew that there would be a risk to harming the people and organizations he sent these bombs to. so he acknowledged that in court, that he knew there was a risk, that these bombs could have caused a lot of harm. he is facing up to life in prison as part of this deal with the government and will be sentenced in mid september. brianna? >> brynn gingras as caesar sayoc is pleading guilty. 2020 democrats now embracing ideas that may have seemed radical or unattainable. senators kamala harris, kirsten gilibrand saying they would not rule out expanding the supreme court. and even late justice antonin
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scalia saying it should be considered. >> the constitution does not say there needs to be nine justices and there haven't always been nine justices. theoretically, that's something that could happen. and that's maybe an argument worth taking seriously. >> what do you make of this, mary katharine, that justice scalia's son is supporting this idea of expanding? >> i think his is more of a cerebral discussion versus a political pitch. as a political pitch, it could be dangerous for democrats. a, be careful what you wish for. other people might go geez, maybe we should do that first before you do it. i don't actually think that will happen. the real danger is that this is outside the mainstream. we say recently radical, i think it's still radical to just change the number of people on the supreme court because you didn't happen to win recently. and i don't think that the right way to fight a president who undermines institutions and changes norms is to be like,
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let's undermine this institution that everyone still actually has some faith in and change the norms entirely. >> to that point that's a question i've been thinking about. if you're saying what seems like the argument is, well, the other side has been breaking norms with merrick garland being the nominee and republicans refusing to even have a committee vote on that. let's now do something -- do you see that point that mary katharine has, jen? >> yes. there's a very short-term view here. there are consequences of elections, however they are won. one of them is a supreme court. this is, no doubt, going to be an issue on the 2020 race and primary. remember, it's not about -- it's about the breakdown of the people on the court. it's not even about the numbers. if you have 15 members and nine of them were appointed by republicans, you have the same problem. you have to be very careful what you're wishing and hoping for because power switches sides in washington. that's where we are with the nuclear option. and, you know, we're seeing the
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consequences of that. >> getting rid of the filibuster? >> exactly. >> jamal? >> something happening here is bigger. so many people in america feel left out of the decision making, feel left out of what's happening in washington and new york. elizabeth warren talked about this in the speech she gave. it's about changing the rules of the game, to tilt the rules back in favor of working people. and so i think a lot of people, with the cheating scandal that happened with admissions in colleges, they look at that and say gosh, even when i'm doing the right things, trying to make it work, we still can't get ahead because the rich, wealthy, elites and educated are dividing up all the goodies in this little goody mob that we have. i think this is the same thing that donald trump tapped into when he was running for president on the right that democrats are now tapping into, which is not just play the game but change the rules. >> do you want them tapping into that? let's change the rules? >> this idea about the supreme
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overturning decades of international policy handing his greatest international ally, benjamin netanyahu a major victory weeks before a crucial election. the president tweeting this afternoon after 52 years it is time for the united states to fully recognize israel's sovereignty, a move bibi has been pushing for. moments ago, president trump denying that this move was because of israel's upcoming electio election. >> it's not about netanyahu's re-election? >> no. i have no idea about that. i hear he's doing okay. i would imagine whoever is running against him is also in favor of what i just said. every president has said do
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that. i'm the one who gets it done. >> oren lieberman joining me live now from jerusalem. the timing of this announcement, though, is extremely significant. >> it certainly is other than effectively deny iing it. netanyahu had not had a great week in the elections until this point. he was sliding in the polls and the headlines, of course, were around the charges he potentially faces in a couple of months. even if it's not objectxten -- obstensab obstensibly about the elections it certainly looks like it. at the jerusalem wall with netanyahu. trump visited alone and mike pence did as well.
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that's because of the sensitivity. trump, in an apparent move to get netanyahu a boost before the elections recognized golan heights as part of israel and netanyahu, where he will meet trump in washington, d.c., which is effectively going to look like a campaign stop and trump will once again be appearing to campaign for netanyahu instead of trying to stay out of israel's elections. that will be another major chance for netanyahu, essentially, to burnish his credentials and relationship with president donald trump right before these elections, as he faces a difficult re-election term, difficult re-election campaign, seeking his fifth term. one more thing, brianna, to point out. netanyahu needs some of the smaller parties to win the election. those parties now seeing this for their own political survival are much more likely to support netanyahu with this major political victory and that, brianna, is thanks to president
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donald trump. >> oren lieberman, thank you. follow me on twitter @brikeilar on cnn. happening now, breaking news. bracing for mueller. white house, congress and the country are on pins and needles, bracing for robert mueller's russia report, which could drop at any time. the trump legal team preparing to react to any eventuality. west wing what's app. top white house officials, including ivanka trump, have conducted government business with personal e-mails. and he claims jared kushner has used the what's app messaging system to communicate with foreign leaders. just say no. the white house refuses to comply with democrats' request for information on president s

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