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allies when you need them they're usually there. >> dennis ross, thank vaerz much for coming in. and to our viewers thanks very much for watching. follow me on twitter and instagram at wolf blitzer. eren burnett out front starts right now. out front next, the white house bracing for the mueller report. will it be the end of trump's legal nightmare or just the beginning? fire for using personal accounts, untraceable ones, for official work. what was on his whatsapp messages to the grown prince of saudi arabia? was it classified? are her swing state voters buying what aoc is selling? the white house on high alert bracing for mueller's report to drop. white house special counsel emt flood and his team ready to respond.
right now gaming out all of the sthar yos as they are waiting. today there was a rare sighting of robert mueller today headed to work at his office. you see him there in the baseball cap. and all eyes are on the special counsel as he wraps up his work. mueller was appointed 673 days ago by then acting attorney general rod rosenstein. and despite the president publicly attacking the investigation more than 1,100 times according to "the new york times," mueller has gotten results. so this -- these are just the facts, okay? 199 skcriminal counts so far. 37 people and companies charged. 29 of them thus far, russia. seven people are pleaded guilty. five have been sentenced to prison including the former campaign chairman for presidential candidate of the united states -- paul manafort. but even when this report is formally over, which really at
this point could come any moment the president's national security advisor michael flynn still hasn't been sentenced. the former trump campaign official, the deputy chairman, rick gates, who was one of the first to be indicted by mueller has still not been sentenced. and obviously that could mean they could be providing information on other inquiries. and there's still the mystery of that unnamed company, a mystery company mueller believes could provide information for his criminal investigation. and there is of course that mystery of what mueller may have uncovered and passed onto federal prosecutors, you know, like the southern district of new york and the whole case with michael cohen. that was all passed off from mueller. cohen of course is going to prison. now, we showed you the hundreds of pages of unsealed federal warrants targeting michael cohen. here they are again. including this search warrant with the medder the illegal campaign contribution scheme. the scheme prosecutors say cohen
claimed acted with individual one. individual-1, aka, president donald j. trump. and what follows 18 1/2 pages of redactions. senior justice correspondent evan perez out front. when we look at this and all these redactions just in this one, you know, filing as an example, right, this is what we still don't know. but right now as we await this mueller report it comes out and then all eyes are on the attorney general bill barr. >> that's right, erin. what bill barr does with this report is obviously important for us to figure out what mueller did which now is 646 days of this investigation. the big question we all have on our mind is what did he find on the big question of collusion? was there actually a conspiracy between members of his campaign, of the president's campaign and people in russia, people
connected to the government of russia? did that actually happen? was the president aware of any of this? those are some of the big questions that are still outstanding, and of course did the president try to obstruct this investigation? that's something that really hasn't shown up in any of the indictments, any of the public documents that have been released by the mueller investigation so far. another big question is did the mueller investigation try subpoena the president? did they ask permission from the justice department subpoena the president? we know he never sat down for an interview with the investigators as they request. the question is did the justice department reject that? did mueller even ask for it? we do not know. when bob mueller's report lands on the desk of the attorney general, then he has a decision of how much of that information will be made public, how much of that information will be made -- provided to congress. and then, of course, then as you said what parts of this investigation live on for the next year or so. >> all right, evan, thank you
very much. and it is the crucial question is first of all what we don't know from mueller and whether we're going to find that out. and then, what more indictments are going to come, whether it be from mueller or other jurisdictions, and that doesn't even count congress and what's going on over there. out front now, the former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district, white house correspondent for urban american networks, april ryan, and former chief of the organized crime section of the department of justice james trusty. harry, 673 days and this is now imminent. it could be today, tomorrow. i mean, we are here at the edge. how much of it are we really going to see? because there are certainly as evan opponents out, so many things we don't know. did they try subpoena the president? that snafts would be a revelation. >> i think we will learn some
things in the short-term and then some things will probably come out longer term in the fullness of time. so i predict when the report is delivered there'll probably be some sort of public statement by the attorney general because there's been so much attention or maybe by rod rosenstein saying the report has been turned in and now it's up to the senior officials within the department of justice to review it, to look to see what can be shared and what they think cannot be shared. grand jury materials you need a court order to share. national security materials you might not want to share for reasons of sensitivity. the big question is whether the position will be taken that trump can't be mentioned if he did something wrong because of the doj policy that jim comey sort of memorably crossed over talking about somebody's wrongdoing when you don't indict them. >> to even imagine that happening sort of defies
reasonableness at this point. i think everyone can understand the problem with that circular reasoning. >> look, you can comply with the doj prescription against naming names of people that aren't indicted by referring to them as individual-1. i don't think you have to pea a navaho code talker to figure out you're talking about the president. but there is a philosophy that rod rosenstein seems to have which is you don't just drag people through the mud. you look at back at ray donovan, the labor secretary acquitted at trial, saying what office do i go through to get my reputation back. >> and yet, april, rod rosenstein was supposed to according to a lot of the reporting be either leaving as soon as bill barr took over or very soon thereafter. he didn't and now plans to stay
when the mueller findings come out because he wants to be a heat shield for the fall out expected to happen. what does that mean? obviously there's going to be political fall out, but the fact he's saying that? >> well, he wants to be a heat shield. according to my sources no matter what comes out the president is going to blame rod rosenstein for whatever, particularly if there's some kind negative connotation that or not just negative connotation but if this goes into a realm of pushing this to prosecutors around the country, particularly in the ninth district. and then also if it's pushed to the house to hold hearings on this, rod rosenstein will be the fall guy for this. the president and the white house are already making plans for that. >> so, harry, you know, when the attorney general was asked, bill barr in his confirmation hearings the crucial questions is what are you going to do with the mueller report? are you for putting it out for the american people to see or not?
and after 673 days and the question of russian hacking and 37 individuals and entities charged of which almost all of them are russian, it is clear this country was attacked during the election and people want to know what he found out. so when he say asked again and again about releasing the information, he gave himself space. let me play exactly what he said. >> i am going to make as much information available as i can consistent with the rules and regulations that are part of the special counsel regulations. i'm in favor as of much transparency as there can be consistent with the rules and the law. i don't know at the end of the day what will be releasable. i don't know what bob mueller is writing. >> bill barr is a very respected person, right, cleary, and everybody has said so. would he cover for trump in any way in the way trump clearly
expects people who work for him to do? like he was frustrated with jeff sessions, like he gets about people? >> i mean, i think that it's unlikely that he would cover for trump for the sake of covering for trump. it may well be that there are other principles that are important to him some of which should be important to everyone that would lead him to conclude, no, it can't be released in its entirety. so in that sense barr doing what he thinks is right could in some extent line up with what trump would like to see. but at the same time he did make a commitment to the maximum possible disclosure, and i think it's appropriate for members of the senate who got those proe promises to hold him accountable for it and say if how could it be that the maximum amount disclosed is nothing? >> obviously you look at this as an american citizen and think we want to know, right? you want to know whether, even
if you don't have conspiracy in the legal sense, it feats the standard and then they don't release it because they don't have something indictable, but you do have all sorts of collusion or inappropriate things or people who are unwitting agents or whatever it might have been. do you think rod rosenstein would still claim the american people have the right to see that narrative? >> i think he's going to be consistent with barr on that. there are rules that exist put in place for all sorts of investigations. so there may be some maddening redactions. there may well be things that are sensitive, privileged, subject to executive privilege fights, for instance. where we would all as citizens want to be able to read every line of it, and we're not. there could be a lot of litigation and crosswalking about that but i think there's going to be pretty good disclosure and whether russian attempts were ratified or joined by the american side.
i think that's what the white house is primarily concerned with showing perhaps trump and people around him didn't rise to the offer when it comes to russian collusion. >> april, they're going to claim executive privilege on everything they possibly can. it's their goal to say i want transparency. it's like trump saying i want to sit down with mueller when he didn't want to and never did. is that the strategy here? say you want every word and then fight everything on executive privilege? >> let me say this, the hopeful scenario is they're saying one thing, they want transparency. the president came out on the south lawn saying he want everyone to see this report. but what the white house is talking about tonight as we are speaking on the air, they're envisioning that bob -- that william barr will not release the report. and they're also saying, well, the best case scenario if any of the report is released is that it will be a summary. and that's what they're hoping for. even as the president is saying
that he wants transparency, like the house -- democrats of the house voted in that resolution to have this report released to the public. >> of course, you know, we'll see. and of course even as this comes out, you know, people who haven't yet be sentenced because they're still cooperating on either mueller related investigations or other investigations, i mean there's so much we don't know and this report will probably only solve one avenue here if even that. and next the white house now tonight fighting, refusing, point-blank to turn over documents about the president's private conversations with vladimir putin. so just tonight saying no way, forget it, we won't tell you. plus breaking news. the president's son-in-law accused of using a private untraceable app to talk to world leaders including the one the cia concluded personally directed the murder of jamal khashoggi. house investigators demanding answers tonight. plus thrust into the spotlight with this comment.
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documents related to president trump's communications with the russian president vladimir putin. democrats investigating whether trump or his associates try to miz represent trump's meetings with putin. the white house is saying, well, you're never going to know, because guess what? we're not kbgoing to be telling you anything. calling the white house arguments and stone walling disingenuous. now, this kmaz as the nation's top general joseph dunford warns russia is working on new missiles, ships and aircraft aimed at making it harder for nato to operate, as in harder for the united states to defend its european allies. out front right now steve hall, retired chief of operations and jack weiss. so the white house refusing to hand over these documents. obviously, you know, coming on the same day we're hearing from general dunford. these putin meetings, do you
think they were significant? >> sure, erin. i mean anytime you've got the president of the united states meeting with a guy like vladimir putin it's important but even more so when that person is donald trump. you have to remember that donald trump is a former intelligence officer himself. sometimes too much is made of that, but one thing i will say is he will be a good assessor of someone like donald trump, how to manipulate him, how to appeal to things he things will motivate donald trump. so i can understand why the oversight porgs of our congress are interested ipknowing precisely what's going on because national security ruly is a team sport and everyone's got to be on the same sheet of music. so it makes sense there'd be a lot of interest what was actually said to the russian president. >> the context here, is the russian investigation, 16 of the president's associates had contacts with the russian campaign during transition that we know of. six of them have been indicted.
six of these people have already been indicted. could there be more indictments coming? >> well, i think there could be. and that's one of the tells i'm looking for, is if bob mueller starts running a two minute drill and you see indictments of don junior for it trump tower meeting for lying to congress, of jared kushner perhaps of his involvement in that trump tower meeting, then we'll know that mueller is near the end because those are the things that might cause donald trump to act the way george conway is predicting the way he'll act and go nuts. the stuff steve hall is talking about is critical, though. there are millions perhaps billions of dollars of reasons that he's been compromised potentially by the russians and russian interest. that's what the russians have on him. that will hopefully be at least in a counter intelligence report from mueller to congress. >> and at least my understanding
despite the lies and even afterwards would and it was one michael cohen said he briefed then candidate trump on regularly during the campaign. back in 1987 he went there. he writes on the art of the deal i flew to moscow. it was an extraordinary experience. we toured a half-dozen potential sites for a hotel. and i was impressed with the ambition of the soviet officials to make a deal. he then comes back and spends nearly $100,000, that's $1,987. takes out full page ads in "the new york times," "the washington post," and boston globe, which and this is the great irony of the russia line today, takes russia's side on nato. do you think it's possible,
steve, that donald trump was a russian asset, and what does that mean? >> yeah, so, erin, it's somewhat important to understand what the different terminology is. so without getting too far down into the weeds an asset usually implies a spy someone has recruited and is paid money to steal secrets from another country. so i don't think donald trump has been formally recruited as an asset yet. what is possible, though, the russians are actually subtle and sophisticated about this precise thing. they understand that sometimes people don't want to be witting, don't want to fully understand what's going on. or they indeed might not be witting. and i think my old boss at cia put it best when he said this is john brennen, when he said i've seen a lot of people end up committing treason but they don't really realize it until their halfway down the road.
and the russians are really good at getting people to talk about these things. would they have done that donald trump when he was there in the '80s, absolutely. they would have seen him as an oligarch, someone worth collecting something against. you've got someone the russians have probably been looking at for a long time and now president of the united states. counter intelligence wise, it's a big deal. >> a really big deal. you're talk about someone who i guess in your was could have been a trusted person or certainly a kgb file on. somebody of importance. >> yeah, absolutely. this is -- >> go ahead. finish your point, steve. >> i get this question a lot. would they have collected against donald trump? would they have tried to get kompromat on him? absolutely that's how the russian services are setup to work. >> jack, it is a pretty
incredible thing to just step back from where we are and think about the importance of that. >> well, absolutely. and you can also look at it in simpler terms. i mean, there's so much russian and russian related money that has been going into trump and his organization. deutsche bank, direct purchases of condos in real estate, business opportunities, the kazakhstan deal, other things that seem silly but generate cash like the miss universe contest. and when you see donald trump acting the way he has in an official capacity, attacking our ally germany, attacking angela merkel, attacking the eu, trying to disaggregate the u.s. from nato, he's acted in a way as someone who doesn't want to tick off his loan shark. and that's my real concern. and hopefully that will be part of the report to congress. >> all right, well thank you
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breaking news, jared kushner accused of using an untraceable app to talk to foreign leaders. in this letter to the white house the chairman of the house oversight committee details potential violations of law by kushner and ivanka trump. in this letter he says he has proof kushner used whatsapp and not his official e-mail account to communicate with foreign leaders. now, whatsapp messages are private, they can't be traced. and the foreign minister speaking to kushner through whatapp know that. that is why they use it. according to comings kushner's attorney abbey lowal also did not deny the president's son-in-law might have passed on information through whatsapp.
and comings says lowal simply responded, quote, that's above my pay grade. no denial, just a i have no idea. okay, if this happened, it's a major security breach and it's against the law. now, kushner's lawyer said he screen grabbed whatapp conversations and forwarded them to his official account. but we have no idea if that happened because whatsapp messages can can't be checked. and his lawyer admitted in 2013 kushner used his e-mail for official purposes. so if it's not already clear his entire father-in-law's campaign against hillary clinton, it should have been clear then when he was using his personal account. out front live on capitol hill, and these are serious allegations, and elijah cummings goes through here and says jared kushner continue tuesday use
whats. app and obviously this has serious implications. >> and it certainly raises the question what was revealed during these whatsapp conversations between jared kushner and potential foreign leaders. was classified information revealed? now, we don't know the answer to that question but certainly that's what chairman comings is going after and pushing abbey l lowell, jared kushner's lawyer to push back on what exactly was revealed in that d.c. conversation. that conversation took place between chairman comings and jared and ivanka's lawyer. and that's where he said his conclusion was that they did use whatsapp and foreign accounts conducting official white house business. now, jared kushner is pushing back on exactly what was discussed and what details were revee revealed and specifically about the use of whatsapp he says that
abbey lowell said he never said kushner's communication with whatsapp were with foreign leaders or officials. for example, jared husband numerous friends and contacts abroad. but still certainly many more questions to be answered, and certainly this underscores how much democrats are using their full oversight muscle up here on capitol hill to try to get answers. >> all right, sunlen thank you very much. out front tonight the chairman of the house judiciary committee. i know you have a whole lot of requests into other people. let me start off with the letter from the house oversight committee chair elijah cummings. so he's saying kushner is using private messaging, and using the present tense to speak with foreign leaders. there's i can say certainly in
my experience in the middle east people use it because they don't want to be traced. what's your reaction when you hear jared kushner was using it and communicating with the saudi crown prince? we understand is one of the people he's communicating with? >> right, this may well be a violation of the presidential records act, but this is very serious. we should remember jared kushner was alleged to have attempted to setup a back communications with the russians during transition if you remember that reporting. and both jared and ivanka were denied or serious questions were raised by intelligence and law enforcement about security clearance. the president overruled those objections and directed they be given and then lied about it. this is very concerning. not only is it potentially a violation of the records act but also raises questions what is he communicating about, and why does it need to be kept secret? what are these communications about, and why is he concerned they not be shared in normal
communication channels? the oversight committee has to figure out what's going on and make sure this practice ends and make sure the national security of the united states has not been compromised in this process. >> abbey lowell is not denying that jared kushner used the app to transimate classified information. he's not even denying that and obviously the context -- >> yeah, that was the most alarming part. when he was pressed, well, was classified information shared in this way, he said oh, that's above my pay grade. so he didn't deny it. so now we have the very real potential that some of the most secretive classified information that jared kushner perhaps shouldn't have access to begin with is now being shared with foreign leaders in an unsafe way. this is very serious. is this is not about the personal behavior of jared kushner but protecting the national security of our country. >> it's been reported people
from foreign countries viewed him as jared kushner as someone they could manipulate. we know he communicated according to our reporting on this and perhaps other apps with the saudi crown prince, right, the president of the united states has taken thacrown prince's side over that of the cia in that horrific murder. what happens here from this? it would seem if you're using whatsapp whether you're screen grabbing some of it or all of it, we don't know, the message you're send\ing to the other party is you're willing to do something secret or otherwise you wouldn't be using whatsapp. >> and the company that saved jared kushner's property is now attempting to sell nuclear secrets to the saudis. there's questions about what's being shared, what's the reason for it, why is it being kept secret? and one of the reasons intelligence and law enforcement
communities raise concerns about the security clearances is they worry that people can be compromised, that they have some motivation to advance their own personal interests rather the own national security interests of the country. so tay limit who can get security clearance to protect the secret of the united states that are essential to protect our national security. there are real questions about both jards kushner and ivanka and now his willingness to secretly share information with foreign leaders and we don'ts know what that information is, this is an absolute critical area of oversight. mr. comings committee and other areas will get to the bottom of it. >> and also i meant to pint out the president overrode intelligence officials and granted jared kushner that security clearance when intelligence officials did not want to do so. >> and lied about it. >> and obviously these documents
they're not handing that over. they refused to do so thus far, and today also refusing to hand over information that your committee house for foreign affairs requested. you got a letter saying forget it, we're not going to give you the information, anything we know about vladimir putin, conversations with the president that they know, right? some of those conversations literally no one was present but the two of them. so only the russians have the information. but they're saying it's executive privilege. the president should be able to have a conversation with a foreign leader and not have to have it released. don't they have a point? >> you know, in normal circumstances they would have a point, but this is not a normal set of circumstances. this is president who stood in helsinki and took the side of vladimir putin against the members of his own intelligence community and said he believed them when he said the russians had nothing to do with interfering or attacking on american presidential election. this is president who was attacking john mccain and can't say a nice word about anybody but can't manage to say one critical thing about vladimir putin as having secret conversations with him, throwing out the interpreter, taking way
notes. this is not normal. and to begin an effort to understand what those conversations were about, what documents exist that might record what they were about is perfectly reasonable. we have over sight responsibility on the foreign affairs committee. i'm on the oversight subcommittee. we have a responsibility to oversee and hold this administration accountable, and we're going to do it. >> all right, thank you very much congressman. appreciate your time tonight. and next alexandria ocasio-cortez getting the cover treatment. but is all this attention actually hurting democrats? >> a.m.y and i are happy to share with you i'm running to serve you as the next president of the united states of america. >> so who is amy o'rourke? we still need glasses
alexandria ocasio-cortez getting the cover treatment. time magazine dubbing her the fenomand the second most talked about politician in america after president trump. but in pennsylvania some are not buying the hype. >> reporter: here in lucern county voters say democrats lost this area of pennsylvania because the party forgot people like eileen and richard. >> this is all from obama's c
campaign. >> reporter: this county flipped like they did from supporting barack obama to supporting donald trump. >> he wants that border wall. >> reporter: they say they identify as moderate who have no regrets leaving the democratic party. and for now no desire to go back. because they say they have real issues with its emerging leaders, namely new york congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez, aoc for short. ocasio-cortez is a self-described democratic socialist who's gained national attention for a number of issues including the green new deal. a sweeping proposal to combat climate change by eliminating most carbon dioxide emissions in the united states by 2030. >> i think she's too bizarre. >> reporter: too bizarre? >> yes, i think she's more ridiculous and be more realistic. we are people, we want to
survive. >> they want to get all these environment projects done in ten years and it's impossible. you lose jobs and lose wages. >> reporter: more concerns about the party from voters like paul. >> they're more liberal. they're attempting to be socialists. >> reporter: there are plenty of countries across the country like lucern that went from blue to red during the last presidential election. trump won michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania by less than 80,000 votes. former pennsylvania governor and national democratic chairman ed rendel says that his party hopes to win back white working class voters, democrats need to look towards the center, not the far left, which he says plays right into the hands of president trump. >> i think all of a sudden, the 2020 election went from a slam dunk for democrats to something we're going to have trouble beating this guy because he's going to make democratic socialism swing to the left, which i don't think is real, but he's going to make it into an
issue. aoc does not speak for the democratic party. >> reporter: clearly on the minds here. voters we spoke to say not one in the current crop would inspire them to switch to the democratic party. keyword, current. do you see anyone out there on the landscape that might -- >> the only one on the democrats side -- the only one right now would be biden. people like him. >> reporter: former vice president joe biden a pennsylvania native still popular here. many waiting to see if he sides with the progressive wing of the party as a presidential candidate. >> he's sort of moderate and takes the same platform that i believe in and what the democrats were at one time. as long as he doesn't get to the socialism part of it, i believe he'd be a very good candidate. >> reporter: and there's another important point about that couple that we meant. actually we were out doing a different story earlier.
they brought up the story of ocasio-cortez totally unsolicited and about several of the candidates that did well during the mid-terms. he said those were moderate candidates not progressive candidates and he says that's a real indication where voters are in his state. >> and now i want to go to van jones political commentator and host of the van jones show who takes a lot of this time talking to people in this country about whithink about politics. so let's start with the visceral reactio reaction. >> there are two things happening at the same time. for the older generation, people my age and older socialism is a well-defined term and people do not like it. and also in the latino community they do not like tat. so you've got parts of the
democratic coalition that have a visceral reaction against it. hoerpd, you've got a lot of younger voters who they are obama called a socialist. it's like it's become a meaningless word. and when they say socialm, what they mean is they want to be able to go to college without being forever in debt like earlier generations. they want to be able to get a doctor when they get sick like their grandparents. my grandparents had medicare, why can't i have medicare? my grandparents had free or cheap college, why can't i have it? so there's a big communications thing happening right now where i think this could get worked out. >> so joe biden as the antidote, but what's interesting obviously and where jason was in pennsylvania, scranton, this is an area where joe biden is of course known and beloved. when you look at these polls,
it's his race to lose. is that really the way it is out there? >> you know, i've watched beto. as soon as he got in, they started beating the crap out of beto. >> i think it's beto, right? beto. there's a lot of names out there. >> so i'm just saying i don't know if the biden bubble doesn't burst even on contact. but what i do know is this. he is an incredibly beloved person in the country where you just don't have a lot of love left. and so the idea that you do have somebody that everybody can say we like this guy, we trust this guy is a very good thing for the party. but i just want to say we are very early on. these young progressives have just been introduced to the country in the past couple of months. over the next years i think people are going to understand them a little bit better whereb they're going to mature better. but i think just like some of the stuff trump did, these young
progressives are going to move it to the left on an equal opposite basis. >> all right, thank you very much, van. and don't miss van's show saturday night cnn, talking about the fenom. this is the other phenom. how do you say this one? 7:00 eastern. also tonight one week into his campaign beto o'rourke is acknowledging there's been some mistakes along the way in his candidacy and in his past. >> you do not have to be perfect. i'm the textbook example of that. but our mistakes, mine in particular do not have to end up defining you. >> okay, o'rourke's rollout has been rocky at times. he spent days apologizing for comments wasn't izwihis wife, a.
so who is amy o'rourke? athena jones is out front. >> amy and i are happy to >> for many voters outside of texas, it was their first glimpse of amy o'rourke, playing the role of supportive and silent spouse. but she has hardly been silent after nearly unseating senator ted cruz. >> look who we found hitchhiking on the side of the road. amy o'rourke. >> at times joining him on the swing through all 254 counties on that campaign. >> how many miles do we have on the odometer? >> 6,786. >> wow. >> reporter: steve ortega, a former city councilman, has known the o'rourkes for more than a decade. >> amy has become beto's most trusted political adviser. i think he trusts her pragmatism, her take on things. sometimes when you're just around purely political people you get in a bubble.
and he understands that he needs to get outside of that sometimes. >> reporter: a week after o'rourke's presidential launch, just what role his wife will play in this campaign is still an open question. toni costas works at stanton street, the firm beto o'rourke established in 1989. amy spent several years running the firm after beto went into politics. he calls her compassionate and a prodigious multitasker, who is up for the challenges of a presidential campaign. >> working with amy as close as i did, i think she is one of those people who are open to challenges. sure, she a little nervous, but i think anybody in her situation would be. >> o'rourke, born amy sanders graduated from williams college with a degree in psychology and spanish and spent a year teaching kindergarten in guatemala before returning to el paso, where she helped establish the duel language lefevre charter school in the mostly latino segundo barrio neighborhood. >> she advocates for equity. she really makes sure that the
voices of those children that don't have access or opportunities, she is that voice. >> reporter: these days o'rourke works as a consultant for an education-focused nonprofit. but even for a multitasker, a political campaign can be tough on a young family. >> morning. we're signing off here. kids and i are heading in one direction. beto is heading in the other. >> reporter: with a candidate sometimes spending long periods away from home, including mother's day. >> i just wanted to wish you in a very public way happy mother's day. >> reporter: it's an issue beto has already had to address after saying this. >> i just got a call from my wife, amy, who is back in el paso, texas, where she is raising, sometimes with my help, ulysses, who is 12 years old, molly, who is 10, and their little brother henry, who is 8 years old. >> reporter: he later apologized, sharing the feedback he had gotten from his wife. >> it came off sounding a little flip. and, you know, this is a serious thing, and you should treat it
seriously. so i thought that was great advice, and advice that i'm going to follow. >> reporter: and as we learn from beto o'rourke's interview with "vanity fair," amy o'rourke has been reading michelle obama's book "booking" in which the former first lady talks about the challenges of living through a toxic presidential race. as amy's friend steve ortega put it to me, amy is aware of a difficult road ahead, but she is also concerned about the direction the country is heading in, and sees this race as an opportunity for a course correction, something that will make the rigors of the campaign worth it. >> athena, thank you very much. next, jeane on trump's complaint about not being thanked for a funeral. >> hallmark has a very limited offering of thank you for the funeral cards. with all that usaa offers
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>> reporter: here's a sound bite with a little too much bite, that jaw-dropper about john mccain. >> and i gave him the kind of funeral that he wanted. i don't care about this. i didn't get thank you. that's okay. >> reporter: mccain's sense of humor was such that he would probably appreciate the late-night roasting president trump got. >> apparently mccain is one of many dead people who never thanked trump. i never heard from lincoln! >> hallmark has a very limited offering of thank you for the funeral cards. >> reporter: how about thank you for those oil prices. the president once tweeted so great that oil prices are falling. thank you, president t. or thanks for approving that oil pipeline. >> can you imagine the boss of whatever the hell company it is, who never actually called me to say thank you, but that's okay. >> reporter: actually, he did say thanks in person. >> thank you, mr. president. >> reporter: and how about those college students the president helped extricate from china after they were caught shoplifting.
>> do you think the three ucla basketball players will say thank you, president trump? >> reporter: but you know who does say thanks? most cabinet members. >> so thank you. >> i can't thank you enough. >> i want thank you. >> reporter: and people in commercials for trump. >> thank you for fixing our economy. >> thank you, mr. president, for letting us say merry christmas again. >> i need you to call the number on your screen and deliver a thank you to president trump. >> reporter: you'd think thanksgiving would be the president's favorite holiday. >> imagine thanksgiving at the trump house. let's go around the table and all say what we're thankful to me for. i'll start. >> reporter: president trump was actually asked at thanksgiving what he's most thankful for. >> for having a great family and for having made a tremendous difference in this country. i've made a tremendous difference in the country. >> reporter: he's made gratitude great again. jeanne moos, cnn -- >> i didn't get thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> and press 1 to tell president trump thank you.
>> reporter: -- new york. >> i approve this message. >> all right. thank you for joining us, and don't forget, you can watch "outfront" any time. you just have to go to cnn go. "ac 360" with anderson begins right now. good evening from washington where the wait continues and the expectations grow. so many here, republicans, democrats, reporters expecting the report by robert mueller to be handed over any time. a key figure, former fbi director james comey has just weighed in on whether he thinks the president should be impeached, and everyone in every official corner of this town, but especially in the white house and the halles of congress are bracing for impact, whatever it may be. to give you some idea of how intense the speculation was all day here, not to mention the effort to be first when and if the news broke, a number of camera crews staked out robert mueller's offices so they could get pictures of him coming in for what might have been a momentous day. when word spread that robert mueller did not go out to lunch