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well, the president says no collusion and robert mueller agrees. that is the bottom line of william barr's summary of the special report. no conspiring by the president and people around him. major vindication on that front and decision not to pursue obstruction of justice charges against the president. returning to the white house tonight, the president was understandably elated. >> i just want to tell you that america is the greatest place on earth. the greatest place on earth. thank you very much. thank you. >> the president tonight just a few hours before on the tarmac in florida. he also had more to say. >> it's a shame that our country had to go through this to be
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honest it's a shame that your president has had to go through this for before i even got elected it began and it began illegally and hopefully somebody is going to look at the other side. this was an illegal takedown that failed and hopefully somebody is going to be looking at the other side. >> an illegal takedown he said lead by robert mueller that he called conflicted but yet robert mueller just lifted a major burden from his presidency. if you can, walk us through what is in the summary from the attorney general. >> well, anderson, there's two main takeaways from attorney general bill barr's summary of the special counsel report. the first one, really the writing was on the wall when it comes to the question of so-called collusion or coordination or conspiracy between the trump campaign and the russian government.
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so far at least we have seen nothing to suggest that was going to happen in any of the indictments and the attorney general says it right here anderson. the investigation did not establish that members of the trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the russian government in it's election interference activities. but on the second question of obstruction of justice, that's really more of a grey area and on that issue, the special counsel robert mueller punted to the attorney general. he said there was evidence on both sides. he looked at the facts. he looked at the law and here's what the attorney general writes on that. while this report does not conclude, meaning mueller's report does not conclude that the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him. so while mueller did not exonerate the president on the question of obstruction of justice, anderson, attorney general bill bar went on to do just that. >> i understand you have new information about discussions between mueller and the department of justice about potentially subpoenaing the president for an interview.
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you know he did a written interview. >> that's right. we knew for the better part of a year there were on going negotiations between the trump campaign, rather the trump legal team and the special counsel's office. the trump legal team was dragging it's feet and managing to put them off but we're now learning at the same time as those negotiations were on going, there were also discussions going on between top justice department officials and special counsel's office raising the specter of a subpoena and they decided ultimately that it was not warranted. mueller actually never made a formal request for that subpoena but the fact that it was raised at all is significant and also means that it allows the current attorney general bill barr that wasn't around for discussions, it allowed him to be able to say to congress on friday that mueller had never been turned down for any major significant investigative step. >> obviously democrats put a lot into the mueller investigation.
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they're already pushing back over the findings. >> they're certainly disappointed this evening. especially on the obstruction of justice issue but the main issue here would be well what exactly are they going to get to see? what's left here? as already the attorney general spelled out that they are looking for ways to try to present other findings potentially from mueller's report. i'm told there's a small team working on this trying to figure out what can be done, what can be disclosed working with special counsel robert mueller, but already the chairman of the house judiciary committee saying he wants to call bill barr up to capitol hill to testify about all of this. so i imagine the president certainly from all the reporting
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is pretty elated. >> that's right, anderson. he's feeling pretty good coming back to the white house after a long weekend in which he was waiting just like we were to find out what was going to be in the result. he was thrilled by the result. the president wanted him to relay the message that he thinks that this is very good. it's very good for him. for someone who has been talking about no collusion and no obstruction for two years that he and his aids believe they can take what is in this letter and say there is no collusion and no obstruction. the obstruction issue is a little bit more complicated than that, but that is how the white house is going to frame it and the president, as he was on airforce one coming back to d.c. from florida was pouring over bill barr's letter.
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this is all that they have at this point. he still hasn't seen the full mueller report. he still hasn't been briefed on what is in the full report but this letter from bill barr they were reading it line by line. going through it. looking over this language about the russian interference and potential collusion and the president was thrilled with what was in it and i think white house aids are feeling good about what this means for them right at this moment. but what position it puts them in as they go into a 2020 cycle. this is like president trump winning the 2016 election all over again. it feels like a do over for that election night after two years of questions about how his election as president of the united states came to be. >> also the president has already eluded to investigation into the other side. i'm not sure if he means the russia investigation, if he's talking about democrats or the hillary clinton or the obama administration but he is
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certainly not moving on from this right away. >> it's not clear what he was referring to there but there's some hints. in the past he talked about the fact that he believes that hillary clinton should have been investigated more. that, in fact, the collusion he says was on the democratic side and not on the republican side. so there's that but we're also hearing from the president's supporters on capitol hill and elsewhere that they believe that the obama administration where the interference investigation began should be looked into for their actions during the campaign when it comes to authorizing some of the methods that looked into president trump's campaign. whether or not president trump actually takes steps to do that, we don't know and so far, the press secretary at the white house is saying that's not under discussion at this moment but
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certainly it's something that many people believe is within president trump's power and it's something of a gift to his base that wants him to go after clinton and the obama administration for what they say is wrong doing in the origins of this investigation. >> thank you very much. this is a night for legal fire power. joining me is jeffrey toobin and robert ray. let me just start with you. we haven't heard from you. what are your thoughts on the conclusion? >> i don't think it's a surprise that given the obstruction piece, the attorney general found that there was insufficient evidence. he's the chief law enforcement officer, at least as far as federal law is concerned for the entire country. i don't think we should overlook the fact that that's an extremely important determination. you can question it. you can debate it. there maybe further inquiry in the house of representatives but that's a substantial
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determination. and that was also the cover of it too. it's important because it reflects continuity but the president presents unique, both legal and factual issues because he's the president and when you're trying to apply the obstruction statute, i guess my own take on this which i haven't heard yet but i'll just say, a special counsel was appointed but with regard to that particular determination, since it involves only the president, i don't think that the special counsel has the authority to make that call. i do think that's the appropriate call to be made by attorney general of the united states. you know, how what bob mueller presented in that report and the pros and cons and factual issues and the legal problems, those are all important considerations but ultimately it's a policy
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call by the department of justice about what to do invo e involving a president in so far as allegations involving obstruction are concerned. >> do you agree with that? >> i disagree with it 100%. the whole reason that mueller was appointed is because the political appointees in the department of justice have a conflict. they owe their jobs to the president. so the idea that you would take that important decision away from the special counsel seems wrong. >> was it taken away from him or was it bob mueller saying this -- >> if we go back for the history lesson the reason that a special counsel was appointed by the deputy attorney general was because the attorney general at that time, not bill barr recused himself. and there was never a determination that the entire department had to.
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>> but if ultimately barr wanted to overrule mueller and say there shouldn't be a prosecution of the president that would be fine. you know, robert mueller was inside of the chain of command but he should be allowed to make a recommendation. >> why didn't he? >> i don't know. >> i find it bizarre. >> i don't find that bizarre at all. i think it's desirable. one of the recognitions that you have to concede here is this is not the same world of independent council land. the special counsel is a creature of regulations that imnate from the attorney general of the united states.
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>> as you know, democrats are saying on this particular issue that attorney general barr wrote his position on this particular issue in what democrats say was an audition letter to become the attorney general to his position was well-known -- >> i mean, i suppose that's so and it's right to be raised as an issue. i have no problem with that. he's been supervising this thing from the outset. it's clear from the letter itself, the very terms of the letter that bob mueller was consulting with certain officials within the department of justice about things including as you have reported whether or not a sitting president could be subpoenaed. whether it was appropriate to do so under the circumstances and also i imagine close consultation with the office of legal council and others in the
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departme department. >> and one of those is -- and jeff and i discussed this but i'd like to hear your thoughts -- if there's no underlying crime. if there was no collusion and there was attempts by somebody to obstruct. >> nobody disagrees with the legal point. as a technical legal matter nothing prevents obstruction charges from being brought. >> yes. >> can we talk practical problems here and not being an armchair prosecutor but from somebody that's actually been in the position of having to decide what to do with the president of the united states, do you really think a responsible prosecutor
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whether it's bill barr or robert mueller or whoever would be bringing obstruction charges against the president of the united states and the allegations regarding obstruction due to a matter that doesn't constitute a crime. >> they impeached bill clinton for lying about something that wasn't a crime. >> that's a separate question about perjury. before a grand jury and with regard to the question about whether false statements were made. that's another level to this. i found that president clinton made knowingly false statements. but chose not to prosecute because there were alternatives to prosecution that i felt vindicated the public interest and under those circumstances it was not appropriate to charge bill clinton once he left office which gets me back to my first point. it's a significant
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determination. the attorney general of the united states, the chief law enforcement officer in the country made a finding that there is not sufficient evidence with regard to obstruction. you can disagree with that and go down impeachment road. are they going to go down that road and go through an investigation again where you what? issue subpoenas? have 500 witnesses appear? are we going to do -- are we going to relitigate that? >> democrats are wanting to reinvestigate the mueller investigation. >> but they want to see the mueller investigation. that's the point. they want to see the report for starters. we're having an interesting discussion here based on a four stage summary of whether there was -- >> i get wanting to see the report. i think the american people want to see the report. >> that's a fair point. >> but underlying documents,
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that's a long shot. >> you never heard them complaining about wanting the underlying documents when hillary clinton was being investigated. they got all sorts of stuff the department of justice doesn't give out. but i think everyone agrees and the house of representatives voted unanimously that the report on which barr's letter is based that should be released. there's grand jury secrecy issues. that could be overridden if they seek to have a court order it's release. but that presents concerns and questions. the precedent for that comes from the watergate area where that essentially same procedure was employed.
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but there was at least some belief then that you could turnover something to congress and it wouldn't immediately go out to the public. >> i want to reiterate something that jeff and i talked about. i understand people that hate the president are disappointed by the no collusion finding because they were hoping this would i guess bring down the president but just as an american, this is a good thing that our president whether you like him or not -- i don't know -- i get why democrats are upset but overall big picture, everybody should pretty much be happy that the president did not collude. >> and that is why we're a great country. because you can investigate a sitting president of the united states and do so with the space of time and resources over a 22 month investigation. >> you can do it with the president attacking the investigations. >> you can do it with the president attacking the
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investigator and you can ultimately live in a country that abides by the rule of law and hopefully also abides by and comes to respect conclusions that are designed to bring finality to that. whether or not we have that i suppose remains to be scene. we have the open question of we haven't seen the report yet and how much of that are we going to see? but we have reached a pretty significant juncture today and that's why it's historic. >> good discussion. dana, huge win for the president. again, can't be overstated. >> it can't. it absolutely can't. he has been saying as his regular mantra that there was no
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collusion and now he has a two year investigation to back it up. that is a huge thing. and on the question of whether he tried to obstruct that investigation, we of course have the attorney general saying his interpretation of mueller's findings was no but they're also very clear not to exonerate and that's where the democrats are left right now in addition to saying we need to see the full report which is legitimate except for the fact that people i'm talking to understand full well that what the attorney general did today was very much intended to and perhaps successfully in the short-term shape the narrative and make it so that when the report comes out it's old news. >> and seeing the report will be
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essential for people's confidence in this investigation. do you agree there's a strong argument that tonight, whatever you think of the president and your politics that overall learning that the president didn't collude is a good night for america? >> absolutely. i'm really glad you raised the point. not only did we learn that the president did not conspire or collude but that people around him did not and had we learned this president had conspired it would have been a dark day. when the tapes came out on richard nixon it was a very dark day for the country. and this would have been a dark day too. not only is this a good thing for the country but i think it's very good for the justice department. they have been beaten up by this president so much. there's been so much of an effort on the right to undermine the justice department and arguing that this was basically an effort to take down the president, an illegal effort to
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take him down and done bipartisan angry democrats. what has the justice department done? they have handled it by the book. the people that work for bob mueller whether democrats or republicans came together in a very thorough investigation. mueller walks away from this with everybody saying at least he's telling it straight and it underscored how important it is to be independent of the white house and this justice department achieved that in this case. >> i'm wondering what your perspective is on this. i know you thought there would be more indictments. >> i had been lead to believe that was a real possibility. the first thing is to recognize that the american system of justice has just delivered to president trump the greatest gift of his presidency and that is indeed said that he did not conspire with a foreign power.
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and in response we need to see what his first reaction is which was to declare war on his enemies and not to welcome this and as an opportunity to bring us together whatever he feels he might have been through. and when you look at what the democrats are doing or are about to do on the hill, the important thing is that we need to know every bit of what's in that report. there's a narrative here that should be even a basis for reconciliation. we all need to know the facts. we get every word of this report except what needs to be redacted for national security purposes and then try to see what has to be done next. >> it does seem like the democrats or some democrats in the house are in danger -- and
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the senate as well, are in danger of -- after years of saying how great mueller is now they want the original documents used to write their report. it seems very easy for the democrats to go too far and to not at least acknowledge happiness that the president didn't collude. if they're walking around sad and crying tonight that says a lot about them. this investigation indicted 18 russians. so there's a couple of good things for america here.
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the democrats overplayed their hand and created a monster in their base that were told over and over again that were told this is going to result in the president being impeached and now they have dozens of investigations and they lost all credibility and i think we're at an inflection point for the media and democrats on capitol hill. if they want anyone to take them seriously moving forward there has to be some accountability. people that were predicting that the president would get impeached. adam schiff said i have evidence of collusion. he is the chairman of the house intelligence committee. he should be removed from that seat if they were going to have any credibility. media organizations should go back and talk to the people that shaded their coverage toward collusion, collusion and ask some really tough questions so that the public starts to regain their trust in the coverage and for the democrats, they're not going to have any credibility
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unless they start taking accountable for what just happened. >> did it surprise you that mueller left the issue of obstruction up to the attorney general? >> it didn't necessarily surprise me that he didn't bring charg charges. mueller was always operating under the scenario of the justice department guidance saying that the justice department can't indict the president so it always seemed like mueller was always going to be turning over a set of facts and recommendation. it does seem surprising that they didn't come to a final conclusion. we should take note of that report that says that the report doesn't exonerate the president. that there's evidence on both sides and in some ways that might be as far as we see bob mueller go toward like a comey
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statement. for mueller to go out of his way to say that the report doesn't exonerate the president actually, i think points to something troubling when we finally get to see it. >> one of the points that barr makes in his memo is that there's sort of a proand on the layed out by mueller on obstruction and a lot of the pro side were public statements. the president didn't interfere with the investigation. he said that. and nothing we know would lead you to believe he was obstructing behind the scenes and there's some evidence of that. and that's contained in the memo he sent to the hill. >> it's an interesting point that you zero in on.
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isn't a lot of the focus this has gotten understandable given the president's own public comments which have lead even mueller to point them out as some of the reasons why obstruction was so much a topic that they were looking into because the statements by the president himself made it seem like he might be trying to obstruct justice. >> look, the president, i don't think he helped himself by fighting back on this but that's not the point. my point is that since the 2016 election, i believe in a free -- the media is incredibly important in this country and they're losing the american people's faith. the ratings of trust in the media have been going down for 20 years. it predates the president coming in and a lot of americans have been lead to believe for whatever reason and a lot of it is media coverage and shading their coverage in a way that made it look like collusion was
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real, hold people accountable for that. say we were wrong. hold some journalists accountable for mistakes they made. all that is going to do is build right back into this. he was just exonerated for collusion and the media needs to help themselves. >> that might be a point that you're obviously making and i'm hearing from other republicans today but i'm also hearing from sources that know and very much like the president and they understand that he very much contributed to the frenzy around this whole russia situation with the things that he said and frankly the things that he didn't say. now he was right and he was exonerated today according to this summary on the notion of whether there was a way to prove
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conspiracy between anybody on his team and russia. and there was a hope and desire because they think that politically speaking the president has a second chance here. maybe a reset button. that he can hit. i can work on infrastructure, prescription drug prices, other things show to the point earlier that it's not just about going after his enemies but taking this chance that he has and running with it on policy. >> we have to get a quick break in. and a member of the house judiciary committee joins as
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theme tonight from democratic presidential hopefuls. senator booker tweeting the american public needs the full report immediately not just a summary from a trump administration official. kamala harris weighed in saying it needs to be made public and the underlying material should be handed over to congress. that's what transparency looks like. a short letter is not sufficient. bernie sanders put it bluntly, i don't want a summary of the mueller report, i want the whole report. back now with the team. is there any reason to believe robert mueller wants to go through and explain his report for congress? he's obviously not somebody craving the limelight. >> no and we can read into that the fact that mueller has never spoken publicly since becoming special counsel but i do think
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it is noteworthy that we saw in this four page summary not a single complete sentence out of mueller's report. that presumably this is a highly detailed, highly nuisanced report that he turned over. however long it may end up being and it's noteworthy to me that attorney general barr didn't feel he could quote an entire sentence at any point in the four places he was trying to list the principle conclusions for the public. >> that's interesting. david, i mean -- you doubt -- excuse me. you no doubt support the idea of releasing the full report? i'm not addressing the underlying documents but as much of the report as possible? >> yes. i think there's almost universal agreement on both sides of the aisle. we had a vote in the house of representatives. it was unanimous on both sides that the report ought to be
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released and donald trump himself called for the report to be released and in reading of the barr letter, i thought actually barr was responding to that. it seems to me that the barr letter is pretty straightforward. i don't think whether he has a complete sentence or fragment of a sentence. i thought he quoted from the mueller report where it was important he put the words in as on the question of exoneration. but he knows there's a very good chance one way or another this report is going to come out. he doesn't want to be in a position where he tried to spin it and was caught spinning. so what we have is very likely to be very, very consistent with the mueller report itself. >> if you're paul manafort or roger stone, the chance -- have the chances of a pardon
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increased now? >> i would guess yes. even the president may have been hinted that way in what he said today. don't know. that's reading tea leaves but we ought to talk about the elephant in the room and that's what happened? what happened with the russians? what happened with the trump campaign? what happened with the individuals that have been investigated. there's a narrative here. there's context. for two years there's been the ability to finally have a body of knowledge while the rest of us have been walking around with little pieces of knowledge and information and maybe some disinformation but whatever the case we now have the ability to get as full a story as we could get especially given the failure of the congress of the united states to have a bipartisan investigation. so the elephant in the room is
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this report because it will tell us what happened. and we need to see it in full and as rapidly as possible. i wish i were as optimistic as david is. but i can already hear and see a lot of backs getting up, particularly on the republican side about not releasing all of this fematerial. >> there's grand jury testimony. >> that's one thing and there's a way to handle the 6-e rule as well and you can redakt some of it as well as national security information that discloses sources and methods but there is a way to have a full look and then we will learn the full story and maybe the american people could get some resolution and calm about this. >> and there's another important reason to see the details in
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this report about what russia tried to do. even in the conclusion it says that there was no conspiracy between the russians and the trump campaign but the russians tried and we know that from past indictments. so one of the things people in congress are talking about tonight which is a good thing is let's make it more clear. maybe in statute that people that are apart of political campaigns should have limits on their interaction with foreign governments or maybe even more especially with foreign adversaries. maybe that should be taken to another level. >> on that point, it would also give a sense of maybe some sort of explanation of why there were so many lies by people in the
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orbit about stuff. apparently they didn't need to be lying about so why were they lying and was it just behavior or lack of experience. it was a campaign unlike any other. people that hadn't been involved in m kcampaigns. >> or does it go to the obstruction question. or does it go to what their real motive was which was money and not about necessarily trying to tilt the election. i do agree on one major point. there's a lot of mysteries that have not been unralveled by the mueller report. we still don't know why donald trump has this obsession with being so kind and respectful of putin. it makes no sense. and trying to fill in the rest of the story, was there the
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chase after the trump tower, did that have something to do with what he has been doing on russian policy? was there money laundering? there's a lot of serious questions that haven't been answered by the mueller report. ultimately we need answers. >> thanks for this. i'll talk with a member of the house judiciary committee ahead. george has entresto, a heart failure medicine that helps his heart... so he can keep on doing what he loves. in the largest heart failure study ever, entresto was proven superior at helping people stay alive and out of the hospital. it helps improve your heart's ability to pump blood to the body. don't take entresto if pregnant; it can cause harm or death to an unborn baby. don't take entresto with an ace inhibitor or aliskiren,
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he wants to hear from attorney general william barr in the near future. the testimony will be in light of the very concerning discrepancies and final decision making in the justice department. joining me now is another member of the committee. thank you for being with us. do you accept mueller's finding that the president did not collude with russia as the president has been saying for the last two years? >> well, we just have to see the full report. obviously if that is the finding and it's backed up by lots of evidence, then we're going to accept it, but we haven't seen anything. basically a three-page letter so far and i think it's deeply concerning that we don't have the full report. i think the obstruction of justice charge is an extremely serious one and mueller as you have been reporting did not exonerate the president after 22 months. he did not exonerate the president and then we have the sitting attorney general who
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already made his views clear last year has somehow decided that what he has seen is enough to not prosecute and he's put that out before congress has even seen the report. so i have to say, anderson, that we're very, very troubled by all of that. >> is seeing the report enough for you but are you also saying as many democrats are that they want to see all the underlying documents because the thing that confuses me about that is that for years many democrats have been saying how much they had faith in mueller. it does seem like if you want to see all the underlying documents it shows a lack of faith in mueller and his team. >> no, not at all. i don't think that's true at all. the reason we want to see the underlying documents is because there's so many pieces that we have investigating, as you know, there's been 81 requests for information from judiciary chairman nadler so that we on the judiciary committee can investigate a whole series of things much broader than what robert mueller was given the
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charge for. we have jurisdiction over and responsibility for on instructi -- obstruction of justice but also abuse of power and corruption. those we were prevented of having at all over the last two years under republican control and now we are finally beginning those investigations. the information that mueller has collected is going to be key to those investigations. they're going to provide real information. but in addition, we have to look at how these conclusions were, you know -- how did he get to these conclusions? it's important for us not to just accept, you know, without really understanding ourselves and being able to say to the american people that we are he present that we have locked at all the information. we understand how he got to these conclusions or not. remember, a big piece of this report does not exonerate the president. a sitting president on an extremely serious charge of obstruction of justice.
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so yeah, we have to make that determination for ourselves. >> although, if there had been enough evidence for a criminal charge, isn't that something that mueller would have weighed in on? >> well, that's what is so confusing to me. that's why i want to see the report because he was actually asked to do this because of conflict of interest. that's why there was a special counsel to start with. so that presumably meant that he was going to give us his determination as a prosecutor. and instead, what he did is came back and said i'm laying out according to this letter, both sides of why this could be an obstruction of justice charge, i'm assuming or why it may not be and that to me is very concerning because then we don't have his opinion on it. it goes to the attorney general who has seized the moment with less than 48 hours after a 22 month investigation and said oh
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we don't think this rises to that level. i say that's just not sufficient. we have to look at it as congress and you have to look at the june 2018 memo that barr wrote unsolicited to the trump administration where he claimed sweeping executive powers for the president. in fact, in that memo, as you know anderson, he said that he didn't even think that mueller should be able to demand answers from the president and in fact mueller did not interview the president. he only got written answers to a set of questions. so he's still not talked to the president. the ball should be back in our court in congress and the judiciary committee to look at all of this information and make our own determinations on this piece but also continue our investigations on the other pieces. >> i really appreciate it. thank you very much. >> thank you, anderson.
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joining me now is john kasich. you said it must continue unfettered. what is your reaction now that it's been completed? >> well, they have to release the report and i'd like to rephrase what you said earlier and that's thank goodness that we don't have the president somehow implicated with the foreign power. >> that's good news for everybody. >> very good news. but i feel like we're off to the races again when it comes to the issue of frankly not putting this on this congresswoman but we see a lot of hate in the country today. i made a list. people hate hillary, they hate
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obama. they hated bush jr., they hate trump, they hate pelosi now they hate mccain. every headline can't be about -- first of all -- >> you forget media by the way -- >> well, i didn't put them because they're not a person, but you're right. we don't believe the media, and all this business of hatred. i know you understand this is taking us down a path. it's like the civil war and everyone has to take revenge on somebody else and then next group's going to take -- and then, anderson, what about the things that hangover our children's heads? how about the debt bomb, health care, what about the issue of income inequality? we've got to slow down. that doesn't mean congress doesn't have a legitimate role here but they've got to be careful. and i'll remind democrats about
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this, they did not do so well in the mid-terms because of the trump investigation but things like health care that ended the rhetoric that people in the suburbs did not like. and so they've got it be very careful about what they do here, but to everybody watching we've got to knock off the hate. just start thinking about somebody else being your brother. oats not just about tearing somebody else down. i'm sorry. >> it did strike me today with friends calling me, people calling me reading stuff on twitter. it's just how everyone sees this result through their own political lens. for those that hate the president, they're disappointed he didn't collude. i don't understand. it's good for the country and good for america our president did nautiot collude. >> we're taught as young
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children and we try to teach all the people around us, you shouldn't ever be gleeful about somebody else's trouble. and so, you know, when people -- and look, it goes on both sides. it's just not the democrats but the republicans. look at what they say about hillary. i'm told down in palm beach last night they were yelling lock her up. i mean, when is this going to stop, anderson? and i'll tell you what it's going to take. it's going to take the public. the students were saying when does the polarization end. and i said i'll tell you where it ends. it ends with you. so for the people that are watching, take a breath, step back. we got some good news today. doesn't mean we're through all this. there's going to be a lot ware going to learn and a lot we're going to see. but we can't run a country so divided going to keep us from doing what we're doing, which is to make this country as strong
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as it can possibly be. >> thank you very mu. new attorney general william barr now directly in the spotlight. as we mentioned may be called to testify in the mueller report in the not-too-distant future. thanksmrs. murphy. unitedhealthcare, hi, i need help getting an appointment with my podiatrist. how's wednesday at 2? i can't. dog agility. tuesday at 11? nope. robot cage match. how about the 28th at 3? done. with unitedhealthcare medicare advantage plans, including the only plans with the aarp name, there's so much to take advantage of. from scheduling appointments to finding specialists, it's easier to get the care you need when you need it.
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what happens next with the mueller report is up to one attorney general william barr. he decided what to tell
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lawmakers in the four page summary he sent this afternoon. now, he alone will decide which parts will be given to the american people. a big decision for the man who only took office five weeks ago, certainly no stranger to washington or even robert mueller. >> do you affirm the testimony you're about to give this committee will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you god? i do. >> william barr fielding questions about his friendship with special counsel robert mueller. >> you say you've known robert mueller a long time. would you say you have a close relationship with mr. mueller? >> i'd say we are good friends. >> would you say you understand him to be a fair-minded person? >> absolutely. >> do you trust him to be fair to the president and the country as a whole? >> yes. >> let me introduce bob mueller the assistant attorney general in charge of the criminal division of the justice department.
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>> reporter: turns out barr and mueller have a history. they been friends 30 years going back to their early days in the justice department. barr was mueller's boss during his first stint as attorney general in the early 1990s under president george h.w. bush. at the time, mueller was the head of the criminal division. >> have the utmost respect of barr and his public service. when he was named as special counsel i said his selection was good news and knowing him i had confidence he would handle the matter properly. >> reporter: the two men are so close, mueller reportedly attended the weddings of two of barr's daughters and their wives go to bible study together. during the confirmation barr split with the president about the witch hunt. >> i don't believe he would be involved in a witch hunt. >> reporter: barr, 68,'s wife is
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a librarian and they have three daughters. he was in a program to reduce violent crime and the save, and loan crisis and oversaw the investigation into the doomed flight, pan am 103. barr left government and worked as a corporate lawyer for years before president trump nominated him for attorney general. >> bill barr, one of the most respected -- >> reporter: like trump, barr is tough on immigration and supports executive power and the power of presidential pardons. before the official nomination, trump asked barr about his relationship with mueller. >> he said, you know, mueller, how well do you know bob mueller? and i told him how well i know mueller and how the barrs and mulers were good friends and would be good friends when this is over. >> reporter: back in june before his nomination. barr wrote this unsolicited memo to the justice department. in it he appears to criticize part of mueller's probe, calling it fatally misconceived.
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barr denied being critical of mueller but it was enough to leave many to wonder how he'd handle the final report. randi kaye, cnn, palm beach, florida. the news continues and we turn it over to don lemon in cnn tonight. >> this is a special edition of cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. here's our breaking news. the attorney general william barr publicly releases his four page letter summarizing the principle conclusions of bob mueller's report. the news is huge. mueller did not find donald trump's campaign or his associates conspired with russia. he also did not exonerate the president of obstruction. there is a whole lot to dig into. dig into the attorney general's letter here. let's take a look at exactly what he writes about collusion. here's a quote. the special counsel's investigation did not find that the trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or


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