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work. >> he agreed to do community service, forfeit his bail and we agreed to dismiss the indictment. >> i would not be my mother's son if i was capable of one drop of what i was accused of. >> if he wanted to clear his name, the way do that was in a court of law. mr. smollett committed this, period. >> good morning and welcome to your new day. john berman here in new york, alisyn is in washington where i miss her terribly. new this morning, the trump administration is to throw out all of the affordable care act essentially now. that is the position the white house is taking in federal court and it puts healthcare for millions of americans in some level of uncertainty and also jeopardy. so what developed overnight is fascinating. cnn has learned that this decision sparked a heated debate inside the president's cabinet. "politico" reports that attorney general bill barr and alex azar are opposed to throwing out obamacare without a viable
alternative. and we don't know of one at this current moment. still, president trump is declaring that the republican party will become the party of healthcare. >> john, i really miss you too. and the only thing that's comforting me is all the fun i'm having down here. >> it looks like fun, i can tell by the backdrop. looks like a wild party. >> you'll see. you'll see in a minute the people that i'm hanging out with and how much fun i'm having. but meanwhile, democrats think the president has given them a gift after the mueller report found no criminal conspiracy. congressional leaders were eager to change the subject and now taye peers a new battle over obamacare will take center stage in the 2020 race. russia is still a focus for some. house intelligence committee chair adam schiff says undoubtedly there's collusion. and overnight another trump critic, george conway, husband of the president's counselor
kellyanne conway flat out called the president guilty, guilty of being unfit for office. we have rick santorum. >> mr. fun. >> how many people have said that? sick santor zblum my kids all the time, mr. fun, that's what they call me. >> cnn senior political commentator and kirsten powers, columnist for usa today and cnn political analyst. and we have frank bernie also known in some circles mr. fun, "new york times" op-ed columnist and cnn contributor. >> what about me? >> obviously you're ms. fun. >> obviously. rick, on to serious business of healthcare, are you comfortable with getting rid of all of obamacare even preexisting conditions? >> well, preexisting conditions is not going to be getten rid of. i've been working hard with a group of folks to get them to propose something and the president and his team are involved in that. i think the president is stepping in front of this issue. whether the president's people or not are going to push for the
court to rule to get rid of all obamacare, it's a very distinct possibility that the court will rule that way. and i think what the president is doing is wise, which is focusing republicans attention. because if it does happen and republicans aren't ready with anything, that's when they're in trouble ninkt the president is out there saying, look, we do have an option. it's an option to put more power back into the states and give it back into the local communities. >> but why didn't they do that before when they had both houses? >> well, they -- we did after the mcconnell/ryan experiment failed. there was an attempt and the white house supported that attempt to try to get a block grant that gave this money back to the states state, that gave the flexibility. >> what went wrong? >> john mccain went wrong. that was one of those situations we thought we were going to get the votes in september and it fell short. we now have a stronger position in the united states senate and we have an idea that i think if you were to propose this idea 20
years ago to democrats and you put the money that we're talking about behind this, i think there would have been substantial bipartisan support for this. >> are you talk about graham/cassidy? >> it's a little different. the idea of giving resources and pure back to the states to let them design a program there that lets them meet the needs in their states. >> there's the plan, just spelled out mat do you think? >> i think that shifting the conversation to healthcare as a political issue is not a good issue for the republicans. and we saw the democrats use this as a winning issue in the midterm elections. they want -- ran, you know, 900 plus ads, 50% of which mentioned healthcare. it was an issue in swing districts, it was an issue everywhere, basically. so for the president to say that republicans are going to be the party of healthcare, i think that's a heavy lift. i think that, you know, democrats, it is an issue that they have staked out. >> you don't think voters will believe him? because i think sometimes the
president says something and believes that then it's true. and zo hso do his supporters, sometimes by saying it he does take the mantle. you don't think that will work this time? >> i don't think so. just traditionally speaking healthcare has been an issue that the democrats have been animated about for a long time. and we can go back further into when republicans were controlling republicans and the white house and they weren't doing anything on healthcare. so most of their plans are in response to obamacare, right? so it is an issue where democrats have taken the lead on it and i think that people have whatever problems there are with obamacare, people generally have moved to accept it and want just improvements to it. >> but that's not true, kirsten. almost every drt runniemocrat rs running opposed to obamacare and wanting to go to single pair. >> no, they're not. a few of them are. that's not -- >> that's where the democratic party's going.
>> i personally support healthcare for all, but that's not where the majority of the democratic party is. >> but that's where it's going. there's clearly a movement in that direction. >> i don't think that it is. for political reasons i don't think that's where it's going to go. i think that's where the energy is definitely among the progressive base. >> they say it has gotten more popular. >> first off, it's gotten more popular in part because of some of the things that the trump administration has done to make insurance more affordable. you've seen more than doubling of rates for -- under obamacare when it was supposed to reduce rates. you've seen actually fewer people today on unsubsidized individual policies, which what obamacare, than you did when it started. >> when they thought it was going away people rushed to sign up for it. >> most people have not signed up for private issue, most have signed up for medicaid. and medicaid is insurance, but it's not care. and we've seen that over and over. you can get a medicaid card but they can't go see the doctor, they can't go to the provider
they want to go to. what republicans are offering is real choice, is really the opportunity to give it back to the individual, give them the choice of private insurance, give them options that they don't have today and let it be tailored by folks that are close her to them who can take care of preexisting condition, can do something about -- look, i'll give you an example. i have a daughter who's got a preexisting condition. my insurance right now is almost $40,000 a year. that's my premium. and you can say, well, you have insurance, your daughter's covered. yeah, at 40 thouds a year. yeah, so obamacare covers people with preexisting condition if you can afford it and if you're really low income you get some help. but if you're not, if you're the middle class, you are screwed with obamacare. >> well, a lot of what he's saying is true actually. i think that obamacare for certain people vir it actually and my premium is, you know, i mean it's gone up, i mean, i think it was around $160 and now it's like $600. >> so why do you like it?
>> i think that -- because i think it needs to be improved. i think it's a good start and i do believe in universal coverage. and i think that what's happening is people like me are paying more to subsidize people who don't have as much money. and ultimately i'm willing to do that. but i think that you -- it's not sustainable. and something needs to be done. something much bigger needs to be done around healthcare and which this is where we'll disagree. i think like a medicare for all, a single pair system. >> and this is -- >> that actually would address the underlying problem. >> and this is the debate. and it's a debate wro wl you do want a single pair system, have the federal government do everything or have the same time of thing to give the resources out in the community and to give people choices of given insurance products. i think it's a winning argument for republicans and think trump is actually being really wise in trying to get republicans tuned up for this debate. >> john and frank you've been patient. >> frank, is this a big game of the nine dimensional chess as
rick says it is or is it a failed tick tack toe? >> i have to take issue with the number of the things he said. he said he thinks the president's being wise. the president has changed the conversation from his exoneration by robert mueller to a subject of healthcare that as kirsten very risely said has served democrats very well. it did well for them in the midterms. he says a critique of obamacare is warranted but not in the absence of an alternative. this idea of let's leave it to the states not knowing what they would do is irresponsible. 20 million americans could lose coverage and what happens in the said it of that? also the idea that democrats, majority of them are opposed to obamacare because they want medicare for raurl they think we can do better than obamacare. they think medicare for all would cover a bigger number of people, but they're not saying let's junk obamacare period and figure out what to replace it with later, which is the irresponsible position of republicans right now. >> go ahead, frank. >> let's just deal with the reality. i'm happy to share this with you and it would be lovely if "the new york times" would write an
article on this. we actually have the proposal that the president is talking about, which is the healthcare choices act scored by a nonpartisan group that has democrats and republicans in it and they scored it that actually people one more million people would be surd under the obamacare. so your idea, your proposal that 22 million people would be thrown off is false. that's not ha this proposal is. it has been scored by a reputable organization and actually comes out actually covering more people at a lower cost. >> senator, what i will say is the immediate thing isn't a propoisal propoipr proposal a proposal at all. the immediate thing is the court case that could strike down obamacare and throw people who have expanded medicaid off. it could do away with protections for preexisting conditions. that is exactly what the decision was overnight. and think that's what frank was speaking to in terms of the politics here, which is curious
to say the least. and there are many republicans who say that. i do want to shift gears here because there's another thing where the president has diverted his focus, another area which other people are drawing questions to, and that's puerto rico which was hit by a category five hurricane and the president behind closed doors to republicans is complaining that puerto rico is getting too much help. i'm not sure there's any other way to interpret that. "the washington post" is reporting that, "the new york times" is reporting that, and he's putting up figures that puerto rico has received $91 billion in aid and no one can figure out how the math adds up there. puerto rico has reported they need that much or more, but there's no sux money thm of mon adds up that they've received here, frank. what do you make of this pitch? >> i'm just astounded from the time this happened the president has been banging this drum about
puerto rico. he's got this thing from puerto rico from the feuds with the mayor of san juan, those gratuitous fights on twitter and elsewhere. i don't know what it is this bugaboo of puerto rico for the president and when his critics wonder if this is driven by racism, it's hard not to because he invents numbers, he keeps us this fight for reasons that are baffling to the rest of us. it's unkind, it's grounded in exaggerations, so what is the point of this? i'm baffled by it. >> kirsten. >> yeah, i think that it's -- it is baffling. there's also an inspector general report looking into whether the white house has been interfering with aid going to puerto rico. and so what is the obsession with denying money to puerto rico and being -- and being mystified about the fact that they were decimated, right? i mean, this is not the idea that they would need a lot of money shouldn't really be something that causes a lot of consternation because of what happened there. i mean, they were completely and utterly decimated and of course
they're going to need a lot of money to rebuild. >> i think this is the problem, senator, with the president's inprecision with facts. so he doesn't know -- doesn't know the number. they need 91 billion, he thinks that they're getting 91 billion. he's angry about it. i think that they've gotten 1.5. >> i think the president's angry that the administration is being blamed for the failures in puerto rico when i think there is certainly ample blame to be spread around certainly to the folks at the local level who have not done a particularly good job. and he doesn't like being blamed for things that are not his fault. >> or that are. >> he gets blamed for things that are his fault. i think that's what's really going on. >> all right. senator, kirsten, frank, thank you all very much for the spirited policy debates on all of this. thank you. john. al right. chicago's police union new this morning is calling for a federal investigation after prosecutors abruptly dropped all charges against empire actor jussie smollett. this comes just weeks after a
grand jury indicted smollett on 16 felony counts for allegedly staging an attack on himself. ryan young is live in chicago with the very latest here. ryan. >> reporter: john, so many twists and turns in this story. if you remember how this all started with the cold every des chicago, the actor went to get a sandwich and he was attacked but ever since then the story keeps unfolding. the chicago police union calling for a federal investigation into the handling of empire actor jussie smollett's case after prosecutors abruptly dropped all 16 felony charges against smollett for allegedlying a hate crime against himself and filing a false police report. >> we want to make sure that the justice department takes a very hard look at what went on with that case and also what has occurred today. >> reporter: the union zeroing in on the state's attorney kim fox who recused herself from the case in february. text messages obtained by cnn
show smollett's family friend and former chief staff for michelle boehm e obama tina chin reached out to fox about concerns on the investigation. smollett's attorney denying that the actor fame played any role in the dismissal. >> there was no political influence in this case. >> reporter: smollett maintains his innocence. >> i've been truthful and consistent on every single level since day one. i would not be my mother's son if i was capable of one drop of what i've been accused of. >> reporter: but the stunning decision to let him off the hook drew immediate backlash from chicago's mayor and police department. >> this is a whitewash of justice. a grand jury could not have been clearer. >> do i think justice was served? no. what do i think justice is? i think this city is still owed an apology. >> reporter: prosecutors have not given a detailed explanation for why they abandoned the case saying in a statement the decision was made after reviewing all the facts and circumstances of the case.
>> we dropped all charges based on the fact that he did community service and that he forfeited his bail. >> reporter: lead prosecutor jost receive magats said that smollett had no previous criminal record. >> our priority is violent crimes and the drivers of violence. jussie smollett is neither one of those. >> reporter: magats also stressing dropping the charges did not exonerate the actor. do you think jussie smollett did what he was accused of dog? >> we stand behind the work that the cpd did in this case. we stand behind the decision to charge mr. smollett and to indict him. >> reporter: john, when you think about this case, all the hours that were spent on it, you had 12 detectives working around the clock to find the men who apparently did this or didn't do this, that is the big question here now. of course those two brothers, the osundairo brothers have
never given an be interview. they gave over those text messages that the police have. that may be the only way we can see parts of this case because the file has now been sealed. john. >> let's try to understand this more. if it's possible. we're joined by joey jackson, a criminal defense attorney and a cnn legal analysts. let's take baby steps here, joey. first of all, there is such a thing as alternative disposition, alternative prosecution. prosecutors can decide to do something other than take a case to court, it happened more than 5,000 times in illinois. but how does it normally happen? >> so, look, here's the point. let's talk about what happened here. ha happened here is that he did it and to your point the prosecution felt, well, they believe he did it. >> they believe he did it. >> they said that they stand by the grand jury. they believe strongly that they could have prevailed. they believe in support, the chicago police department's investigation, but they've opted instead of moving forward to offer an alternative disposition to your point. an alternative disposition is, look, let us allow reasonable
niends prevail. we believe in the interest of justice pursuing 16 counts in a felony indictment is not appropriate. how it normally works, you go in usually prior to indictment and say, don't indict, let's look at something like community service. let's look what the we can do with my client in order to restore him into the community, rehabilitate him and not have him have a criminal record. i should point out, john, very significant, there is a federal investigation under way in as much as it's alleged that he said something to himself which was in the form of a threat by way of using the mails in the event the federal government investigates that, chicago locally will have no jurisdiction and that will be a federal issue. so he's not completely out of the legal woods yet. >> so smollett's attorney claims his celebrity had nothing to do with this. >> that's ridiculous. let's just call it for what it is. what i would have had a lot of respect for is if the county attorney came out and said what
i said to you. listen, we believe that he's responsible for what occurred here. we believe that reasonable minds should prevail. he's a young african-american man who's done significant things for his community, we believe he's rehabilitated, a good person, and as a result of that we're not moving forward. it happens every day and twice on sunday. this is such a case. he's not a violent guy and that's how we're resolving it. i said it you don't alert the superintendent, you don't alert the mayor. the mayor says we want a federal investigation. the superintendent says we only showed a sliver of evidence to the grand jury. transparency, where was thas gone? we think it's time to heal this city and as a result we're moving forward. that doesn't happen and that's a shame. >>? >> there are two things that happened here. did blind side the police and law enforcement. and number two, i don't know whether prosecutors saw this kourmg no or not, but to have him come out
and still maintain his innocence. >> that's ridiculous. so the point is you heard, we just heard the interview of the person who made the decision to drop it. we believe did he it. yes, did he. we believe in the investigation that was done. we believe in the grand jury finding but we also believe that he's not violent, that he's a guy who can go out and do great things and we're going to allow him to do that. just say that and we're all good with it, not cause this mass confusion of what happened, who called who. look, celebrity matters in this country. >> joey jackson, great to have you with us. thank you. >> thank you. >> alisyn. president trump says the gop will soon be the party of healthcare. what do democrats think about that? we ask chris coons next. a litt? how about a car for people who don't play golf? hey mercedes! mix it up a little. how about something for a guy who doesn't want a corner office? hey mercedes, i don't even own a tie. do you think i need a mahogany dashboard? hey mercedes, can you make it a little cooler in here? [ a-class ] i am setting the temperature [ a-class ] to 68 degrees. we hear you. we made a car that does, too.
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other plan in place. joining me now is chris coons. good morning, senator. >> good morning, alisyn. that's a strick striking assertion on the part of president trump that the republican party is now going to be the party of healthcare. i'd say with his leaped, it will be the party of taking healthcare away. >> well, let's talk about this because we just had former senator rick santorum on who is pretty bullish about the republicans seizing an opportunity here. he cited what he calls the healthcare choices act and basically i think it would give states block grants or a lump sum of money, i may be butchering this but from what i understood from what he just said, from the federal government, put control back in the states, he thinks that it will have lower premiums and cover more people than currently obamacare does. >> well, that's great that former senator santorum thinks that. i'll tell you the most important thing about the affordable care act for more than 150 million americans who get their healthcare through their employer is that it protects you against discrimination by an
insurance company if you have a preexisting condition. in my little state of delaware, we have 900,000 people, 400,000 of us have a preexisting condition. and one of the worst parts about how health insurance worked before obamacare was that you'd get health insurance through your employer and think it was strong and reliable right up until you needed it. and then insurance companies were very adept at finding ways to deny coverage, in particular if you had a preexisting condition. >> yes. >> i don't think americans want to go back to the day of trapdoor healthcare policies like that. i think the affordable care act, that protection in particular is widely popular. and republicans will find that since they don't really have a replacement bill that does what the affordable care act does, stripping away that key protection through legal action by the trump administration will prove wildly unpopular. >> i think you've captured the problem and what people wrestled with before the affordable care act very well. however, as you know, premiums have gone up. costs have gone up.
the affordable care act is not perfect. so is there a window of opportunity for the republicans to make it better than what currently exists? >> there is. i've proposed several bills to try to improve on the affordable care act, in particular to make it more affordable for small businesses. unfortunately, it's been really different to find bipartisan cosponsors. senator tomb miff pennsylvania and i actually did introduce and get passed i think the only statutory revision to the affordable care act. we worked with a dozen other members, house and senate, but it was a very small piece of improving the affordable care act. he's also a good partner with me in legislating on background checks for guns, something we just pintroduced yesterday. but on healthcare it's been difficult to find bipartisan members willing to strengthen the foundation of the affordable care act rather than what the trump administration is trying
to do which is to strip it away and replace it with something that would hand block grants to states. >> i do want to get to your gun policy, it's really important particularly on this anniversary week of the march. and i did have a chance to talk to the parkland students yesterday, so we'll get to that in a moment. but i want to talk democratic strategy because you know there's this debate about whether or not to continue talking about collusion and conspiracy and whatever wrongdoing, if there was any, was done by president trump's campaign. or move on to healthcare. and so adam schiff, as you know, the chair of the intelligence committee said to the "washington post" yesterday, he's sticking with his collusion fight. he says, undoubtedly there is collusion, we will continue to investigate the counterintelligence issues that is, is the president or people around him, are they compromised in any way by a hostile foreign power? it doesn't appear that was any part of mueller's report. are you comfortable with
chairman schiff digging in in that way? >> i think we're capable of addressing two different issues at the same time. and if the intelligence committee and the house wants to continue the counterintelligence aspect of this issue, i think that's fine. it's undisputable now, particularly given mueller's report on this topic that the russians interfered in our 2016 election. i think likely from what we're hearing from the intelligence community they will try to do so again in 2020. so i do think congress has a role, in particular, looking forward making sure our next election is not at risk of being interfered with or interrupted by any hostile powers. but what i hear from folks up and down delaware is that they're concerned about healthcare. they're concerned about healthcare, about better jobs, about the opioid crisis, and they want to see us find ways to work together to deal with those issues. >> so, senator, i'm here in d.c. on assignment because i came down yesterday to talk to some of the parkland students. they put up this big art ibs
stalation just installation because they wanted to get your attention. they wanted lawmakers to look you the aught window and see this very dramatic bullseye that they put out there with a student sitting right in the middle trapped at their desk to say that students are still feeling like sitting ducks because of all these school shootings. and i know you're attempting to pass bipartisan legislation. what would that change? >> there's a practice now where if you go into a federally-licensed gun store and apply to purchase a firearm, you have to pass a background check. that means you fill out a piece of paper and you have to check a box that says i've not been convicted of a felony such that i'm prohibited from owning a gun. in about 12 states the state law enforcement agency runs that background check. so if you're not allowed to have a gun and you lie and try to buy a gun, they know immediately. and in the state of pennsylvania
represented by senator toomey, that has meant hundreds of people have been arrested by state law enforcement for violating the terms, the limitations on their gun ownership rights that comes from being a convicted felon. in delaware and 30 other states that's not the case. the gun store runs that background check directly with federal law enforcement and state and local law enforcement are not notified if the is a tremendous predictor that you are trying to get a gun probably to do something bad if you are a person who is either previously add swrud indicated mentally ill or previously convict of a felony. so law enforcement makers that i've spoken to are eager to have this tool on prompt notification from federal law enforcement which a person prohibited tries to get a gun. we had a good bipartisan hearing on the judiciary committee yesterday, alisyn, about gun violence notification laws, exactly the kind of law that if it were on the books on florida might well have prevented the parkland shooting. and what we can federally do to
encourage and support those laws. i also raised this denial education bill that we introduced yesterday and i think it's an important tool in the toolkit for law enforcement. >> well, i know the parkland student will appreciate any sort of progress at the federal level. thanks for explaining all of that to us and thanks for being on new day. >> thank you, alisyn. >> john. the investigation into the trump campaign began with meetings that this man took part in. now that the mueller investigation is complete, he's asking for a pardon even after serving time in prison. george papadopoulos joins me next. i used to book my hotel room on those travel sites but there was
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the justice department says the attorney general will make robert mueller's report public in weeks, not months. george papadopoulos a foreign policy adviser to the trump campaign was convicted as part of the special counsel's investigation. he he was sentenced to 14 days in prison for lying to the fbi about contacts with two russian nationals and a mall tease professor. it later kicked off the
counterintelligence investigation of the campaign. he's written about it in a new book "deep state target". george papadopoulos joins me now. thanks so much for being with us. there's so much going on in the news with the mueller investigation. there's also news with you. first of all, the news in your life, you are asking for a pardon. your lawyer has officially pardoned for a pardon. the legalities aside, what do you think you deserve a pardon? >> that's why i wrote this book. there's been so much information and misunderstanding about who george papadopoulos is, how he fits into this mueller probe in the proper context and what he was doing for the trump campaign and team. i am getting the facts out there are to the public to consume, for the media to consume and for them to arctic kate late something completely different that has been said about me for the past two years. and my lawyers who formally submitted the application believe there's a basis for a
pardon. >> do you believe you deserve a pardon? >> i would never ask for one personally, i never have. >> well you have. your lawyers are. >> my lawyers are looking out for my legal interests, that's why they're my lawyers. it's not my expectation but if i were offered one i'd honorably accept it, yes. >> any response from the lawyers yet? >> my lawyers are handling that. >> you write about the meeting you had with the professor joseph. he is the man that came to you with information. let me read this. he said to you, the russians have dirt on hillary clinton, he tells me, e-mails of clinton. he says they have thousands of e-mails. i don't know what this means, e-mails? what kind of e-mails? revealing what? as an american citizen, i'm horrified. you right in your book you're horrified. how horrified? so horrified that you went and told authorities? >> that's a great point andy tell the fbi when they came to
my house during my initial interview that this professor who's there's been tremendous ambiguity about over the last two years and he's been hiding out, i told the fbi, volunteered the information to the fbi during that i information that a man told me this information and they should look into him. >> but telling the fbi when they come to your house to ask you questions is different than volunteering it. you did not go to the fbi or local police or anybody with the information that someone came to you with information that the russians had hillary clinton's e-mails, correct? >> that's correct. that's also why i never told anyone on the campaign either about this information because you don't really know what do with it. i was living in london at the time. i was traffic a lot between europe and the u.s. so it wasn't essentially like i had an office. i'm hearing this information and i see the closest nypd office that i could walk to. >> you knew it was wrong that they had the information?
>> absolutely. that's why i notified the fbi about it. >> you didn't notify them until they came and knocked on your door. this dhoos with the barr signing muflter report here, because he writes that the special counsel did not find the trump campaign or anyone associated with the russian government despite multiple offers for them to assist in the trump campaign. multiple offers. you weren't only one who received an offer and didn't go to authorities. why don't you think anyone came forward with this information? >> i can't speak for anybody else. and i can only speak for my personal experiences. i -- in retrospect i probably should have gone to some authority when this person told me this information. but they thought it was a good idea i didn't speak to anyone because as they described in my book, this man is no russian asset, he's no russian agent and it's quite obvious that he was
working on behalf of western intelligence and his lawyer has said the same. >> but there's a pattern where people associated with the trump campaign were offered help by the russians and then didn't report it. could it be, you say you didn't know what do with it. were you embarrassed that the russians were offering this? >> i wasn't embarrassed. i was shocked and horrified. i thought this individual might have some sort of contacts with the russians but he was well connected to the europeans and americans as well. when i volunteered the information about this person to the fbi in january of -- >> you say you volunteered it. they came to your house. >> but it was a voluntary interview. no one subpoenaed me. no one was bringing me to their office kicking and screaming. that's part of problem i had myself in. i should have had a lawyer and i should have kicked and screamed a little more. but that's not the point. the point is this individual was in washington, d.c. two weeks after i notified the fbi of the nature of my conversations with him, yet i am apparently the world is known that it was my
fault that this person escaped. so people -- >> i gotta. the bigger question that people are asking about you and so many people, number one, why didn't anyone report any of these contacts? which you told me in your book, you told america you were horrified by it. >> absolutely. >> you didn't voluntarily tell anyone. and number two, why all the lies? you were convicted of lying, michael flynn was conflicted of lying, michael cohen was convicted of lying. there have been other lies related to it from the podium at the white house. why all the lies? >> i made it kind of clear in the book too but it's very important for me to say it outloud as well why this lie occurred during my initial meeting with fbi. playing this cat and mouse game with this individual in which candidate trump or president trump or any of his team for that matter outside of me had anything to do with, as i'm being asked questions about about this persons last thing i want staud did doh was involve anyone on the campaign team or the president him receive. so i distanced myself from this
individual, i characterized him as a nobody but somebody that should be looked into because i wanted to basically do two things, help my country look into this guy but not involve the president because he had nothing to do with this person and he didn't deserve the scrutiny of what seemed to be a foolish meeting with this person that i had on my own. >> just want to ask you one last question about how you've been portrayed over the past year or so. they called you a coffee boy, the president put out this tweet. fee people knew the young low-level volunteer named george who has already proven to be a liar. did that whuhurt when the presit wrote that? >> i probably would have distanced myself interest even more from a former associate and probably said something worse. but now with the new information and we can read that with new eyes and new details, we can understand that that wasn't as bad as it seemed at the time. but at the time when you're talking about hacked e-mails, vladimir putin and the professors, you would probably
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he wants to instill humidity in the papacy there. there is this debate whether or not he should have people kiss his ring or not. >> he was in a rush, trying to speed along this receiving line. he wanted to go over and greet people in a different area of disabilities. but the visual stuff, nope, not so fast. no, you don't. uh-huh. >> he had enough. he had enough. >> all right. the new fight over obamacare sparking a heated debate inside the president's cabinet. this comes as we learn exclusive new details of the efforts to save obamacare inside the supreme court. that's next.
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affordable care act twice, saving president obama's signature legislation. what is the back story of how chief justice roberts switched his vote? well, it is covered in the stunning new biography "the chief, the life and tush leapt times of chief justice john roberts" by our award-winning supreme court analyst, the book came out yesterday. great to have you, joan. >> freight to be with you down in d.c. >> it is nice. congrats on the book. >> thank you. >> what's the back story here? the conventional wisdom was chief justin john roberts didn't like the affordable care act and would vote against it, that's not what happened. >> he didn't initially. after three days of oral arguments, remember it's an election year, all eyes on the supreme court. what are the nine justices going to do about president obama's great domestic achievement? john roberts in the private meeting after those three days
of arguments voted to strike it down. >> so first they vote privately? >> oh, they always vote privately right after org arguments, he voted to strike it down. it was 5-4 for that in terms of the individual insurance requirement. but he also voted to uphold the medicaid expansion part that so many people are talking about today. that's the part that helps millions of poor people across the country. >> so then what happens? >> then, before the opinion came out in late june. that was the initial vote was in march, there were all these negotiation and john roberts had second thoughts object whether he wanted to strike it down. he starts looking for other ways to potentially uphold it. he ends up deciding it can be upheld based on congress's taxing power rather than its power to regulate commerce as the initial arguments were. then he also switches his vote to then strike down the medicaid expansion. this all goes on behind the scenes, lots of drama. lots of tensions and still has fallouts at the old palace
today. >> that's interesting what does that tell us about wheef justice roberts, he is susceptible to being persuaded, he is flexible? can't make up his mind? what does it tell us? >> no, no, it's that he has the larger context in mind. there are many factors. you know, during the confirmation hearings in 2005, he famously talked about the umpire model and calling balls and strikes as he goes to each case. but there really is a larger dynamic. remember, he's chief justice, he, himself, said he probably would be voting different these days, if he was an associate justice. he has institutional concerns, as i said, it's an election year. there was a lot of pressure on the court. what he came to decide is if that law could be upheld, they would uphold it. he couldn't do it with the coalition that wanted to strike it down. he had to work with liberal justices and justice steven briar and elena kagan worked
that out to strike that down. >> this is an interesting back story. the book is filled with these. so does it tell us what will happen now? now the news of the affordable care act the department of justice is trying to strike it down wholesale, does that tell us ba will happen in the supreme court? >> what it suggests given what we know that happened in 2012 now is many other factors will be coming into play. remember, the chief also recently said there are no such thing as obama judges, trump judges. he does not want this court to look mr. ill in this very political fight emerging in such a polarized time. >> so that brings us to brett kavanaugh so after all of the scandal surrounding his confirmation. how is he doing? >> he is trying to stay in the background, not make himself look like, you know, some sort of right wing zealot as he might have been portrayed in the confirmation hearings.
trying not to be so controversial during the oral arguments as yesterday in the gerrymandering case. he will ask questions of both sides. he doesn't want his hand tipped. he has become a bit of a part in tore john roberts in the middle of the courts in some cases. i still think in some cases he will be a reliable conservative for the trump administration. >> you can read it in here book called "the chief." thank you. new rifts inside the trump cabinet over obamacare. "new day" continues right now. [ music playing ] >> the republican party will soon be known as the party of healthcare. >> the trump position ties a two-year anchor around the neck of every republican the next two years. >> this is something i vehemently disagree with. >> this, without a doubt, a white wash of justice is wrongful stop. >> i have been truthful and consistent on every leefl e will
elf from day one. >> nobody has found him guilty. >> do i find justice was served? >> this city is owed an apology. welcome to your "new day." it's 8:00 in washington. i am on assignment. john is in new york. cnn has learned there is a heated debate about among the trump team concerning the administration's push to strike down the affordable care act. politico reports that attorney general bill barr and health secretary are opposed to inva d invalidateing obamacare claiming the gop will be the party of healthcare. >> there is so many at stake. 53 million americans with pre-existing conditions, maybe 20 million more because of medicaid expansion. what will happen to them if the white house gets