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elf from day one. >> nobody has found him guilty. >> do i find justice was served? >> this city is owed an apology. welcome to your "new day." it's 8:00 in washington. i am on assignment. john is in new york. cnn has learned there is a heated debate about among the trump team concerning the administration's push to strike down the affordable care act. politico reports that attorney general bill barr and health secretary are opposed to inva d invalidateing obamacare claiming the gop will be the party of healthcare. >> there is so many at stake. 53 million americans with pre-existing conditions, maybe 20 million more because of medicaid expansion. what will happen to them if the white house gets their day in
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court? democrats pounced on the leadership, they were looking to pivot from the russia investigation to pocketbook issues. no one has seen the mueller report. no one here either. adam schiff, the chair of the house intelligence committee, tells "the washington post" that undoubtedly there is collusion. >> that is his view. even though the special counsel said there is not enough evidence to establish a case. we heard overnight from critic george conway from kellyanne conway. he flat out declared the president is guilty. guilty of being unfit for officer. we want to bring in maggie haberman, the white house correspondent for the "new york times" and a cnn political analyst who gets to share the table with allison in washington. maggie. >> very lucky. >> let me ask you. you got a recording of what happened behind closed doors yesterday. the president was with republican members of the senate and those senators said, yes, he was enthusiastic, post-mueller.
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but he was talking about a number of things. one of them was healthcare. because we woke up yesterday shocked, frankly, that the white house signed on to this legal argument saying that obamacare should be invalidated immediately. the president dove in with these republican senators. explain. >> the president was not demurrer, john, as you say, he often isn't in these moments. look, i think the president is mindful the republicans had campaigned on depeeling the affordable care act, including him in 2016. there is this existing suit. i think the white house is trying to figure out how you deal with nevada that sa deal with that. that said, the chief of staff, the first ideologue the president has had in the chief of staff role, reince priebus, not ideologues, nick mulvaney protested the affordable care act in congress. he was very much for this. on the white house counsel told others that bill barr and alex
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aczar objected to this move as well. the president, however, likes the idea going forward with it. and has been pretty celebratory about it. you saw that earliest we heard that happened in this senate luncheon yesterday. >> i mean, look, republicans have been wanting to do away with obamacare for years. what's different this time around? does the president have a plan up his sleeve? >> no, this is basically something, a suit that most people in the administration -- and there was a reason the white house counsel was objected to joining this. most of them said privately they don't think this is going to go anywhere. the money objection others had in the white house is this is going to be seen largely as a political move. legally it doesn't have much ground. if it is a political move, why would you want to do this two day it was a president's arguably last day. i'm not sure a lot of people felt either. they felt this hasn't been perhaps thought out completely. one administration official when
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i asked why this now? their response was, they were obviously being sarcastic. clearly, it's a serious subject matter about millions of people's healthcare this person said essentially there was too much food news, we had to change the subject. the white house has a history over two years, when they have a bit of moment tumt. they step on it that i have pivoted to an issue the democrats love talking about, they won 2018 on in the house mid-terms. and so this sa bit confounding. >> it is picture some republicans in a bind. susan collins is out saying this concerns her. all kind of democrats, republicans in more purple districts, tom reed in new york out here expressing concern on this it just surprised a lot of people. they don't know what to do next. >> we'll see what happens next. again this white house, as we discussed, pretty good changing the subject. something else might happen. i think what they do next will depend to some extent where this legal case goes. again, there is a sense within the administration it does not have the strongest ground that
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it is standing only, but we'll see. >> let's talk about puerto rico. because there was this closed door luncheon, policy luncheon with the president yesterday that you have some reporting only. and the president was i guess venting his slain about giving too much or not wanting to give too much aid after hurricane maria. but he was using the wrong numbers. >> he was using the wrong numbers and numbers that justify his own case, which is we shouldn't be doing this. this is a waste. these folks are not using it correctly. he uses it to highlight the puerto rico debt crisis, i can't believe it partly justify what is he is saying, it is the fact that there is a planing national debt. that's not helpful for him running into his election. this has been a bugaboo of his he fought increasingly with officials in puerto rico. and i think he thinks this plays well again with his base. >> that is what a lot of yesterday was about. you were talking about marx many, u.s. citizens who are
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suffering after a hurricane and devastation and he has sort of comparing one set of victims to others unfavorably. >> again with the wrong numbers. he is saying puerto rico has received $91 become, which sent a lot of people scurrying to think about what he is talking about. >> you could set that statement to repeat. he often says figures that are questionable. we go and look to figure out what he is talking about. he chose figures that as you say were inaccurate and skewed to make puerto rico look bad, to look at if they were takers. and i think that this is clearly not a theme he is ready to drop. we will hear more about it going forward. >> again, what is also interested is where it took place, again it was in this closed door meeting where he had the floor to talk about what he wanted in front of people that support him. it is head scratching again why this would be an area he would go. >> again i think this is an area he goes because he thinks it plays well politically.
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he knew, i'm not saying that's what he does, i'm saying he thinks in this luncheon everything he said would leak out. he made a joke about he hoped there would be no leaks from the luncheon. he said the best way to not have a leak is to say i hope there were no leaks. this was not information he was hoping to stay secret. >> let's talk about george conway, the counsellor, hugged to kelly yan conway. i admit i am fascinated by the love triangle, of george conway, the president and kellyanne conway. george conway is coming out, we don't know what's in the mueller report, of course, his conclusions, he is a state attorney. he thinks that there must be some dirt in there bill barr has whitewashed a little bit. we will see when it comes out. it could be embarrassing for the president. >> it certainly could be. we don't know what's in this report. i do think george conway is an
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esteemed figure. he wasn't a public figure until his wife was in the white house. he is not a psychiatrist. he spends a lot of time diagnosing the president. it is hard to divorce this from what feels like a deeply personal fight he is having with his wife in public. i do have to wonder of george conway and other people who criticize the president after supporting him in 2016, what was the moment they think he was suddenly different? what new fact did they not have in 2016 when they wanted him to be president. why was he fit for office then and she not fit for office now. i think that is a vexing issue for people coming out saying, i liked him before but now i don't. >> george conway did pick up on what was one of the most interesting sentences in the barr summary here, which he related that robert mueller said that his report didn't convict the president but didn't exonerate him either. >> that is what conway was hung up on and also rudy guiliani in
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interviews you know over the last few days, he felt that was a cheap shot. when i heard guiliani say that, that he felt mueller wasn't exonerating the president with a keep shot. it made me wonder if they are laying posssibly people for the possibility that there is something there we will all learn. >> no, i think, look, my sense of it from my conversations with the legal team has been that they are arguing that the president you know, saying it didn't exonerate him is typical of what you have in a criminal proceeding, because that's all you are supposed to be doing is convicting. so, of course, it says it doesn't exonerate him. there isn't if you have facts. that's what former prosecutor versus said to me. the standard by which we left presidents in this country is not usually where they're convicted with a crime or charged with a crime. that's not the standard that republicans used about hillary clinton in 2016 when she was under federal investigation and it's a different standard here.
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i do think, i don't know that they're laying the groundwork for something specific. i do think and if i were them, i would be celebrating, too, i totally understand. this has been a cloupd on the presidency since the they that he took office. >> that said, i do think that they want to be mind. or should be mindful, there is be a version. we don't know what's in it. but everyone, including all of us talking about it, we haven't seen it yet, we don't know. >> we absolutely haven't seen it yet and congress hasn't seen it yet. >> and the white house hasn't seen it yet as far as we understand. >> until we do who knows? maggie, thank you very much. a critical day on capitol hill for boeing, transportation officials are getting set for a grilg of senators about the safety of the 737 max 8 fleet. this comes after less than 24 hours after another emergency involving one of the jets. this time here in the united states.
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jessica schneider live in washington with more. this was the last thing i am sure that boeing ever wanted to see. >> it turns out boeing won't be front and center at today's senate hearing. instead, senators will be hearing from the acting faaed a mim ed a miner strart r /* /- -- administrator. we seen the on statements from the administrator. he's expected to acknowledge the agent's oversight approach needs to evolve after those fatal crashes involving the boeing 737 max. we also anticipate he will defend that whole certification process, which has been heavily scrutinized for the so-called self certification that boeing is allowed to conduct. no doubt, lawmakers are expected to press the faa on why exactly it waited several days to ground the 737 max planes in the u.s. and the faa should defend that
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decision, we expect. because the agency said it wasn't seeing any systemic performance issues. so, as all of this is happening in the senate, boeing is inviting 200 pilots and industry stake holders in their facility where they assembled the 737 max. this is all in an effort to begin restoring industry confidence in this product so we know that the session it will center on the 737 max as well as boeing's planned software update. the company plans to submit that update to the faa by the end of the week we have learned. this is a software update that is set to resolve issues that aviation authorities believe led to that crash of the lion air jet back in october. john, we do know while boeing won't be at the senate hearing today, senators do plan to call them to capitol hill soon to answer all of these questions. allison. >> jessica, that will be important to hear the answers to
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upset and left people in the country confused. also more confused when smollett maintains his innocence. >> i have been truthful and consistent on every single level since day one. i would fought be my mother's son if i was capable of one drop i was accused of. >> joining me now, a former cook county commissioner and former illinois state legislator and "new york times" op-ed columnist. you are out there, give me a sense of the first reaction you and others had. is this anything you were expecting? >> this is not a city that stuns easily and i will tell you across the board, people are shocked, regardless of age, ethnicity, race, whatever it may be, nobody saw this coming. nobody can understand it. everybody is still waiting for a real explanation about what happened. and this has left a lasting impact on the city. it really has. >> charles, i want to quote from your twitter feed, which was
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roughly, wait, what? >> that's right. i mean, well, no one expected them to drop the charges, number one. al also, the case is sealed, which means that, you know, they interrogated jussie more than once. all that's recorded these days. we'll never see it. we'll never see a transcript. they talked to the brothers. we will never see a transcript. we will never see those interrogations. we will never see what the superintendent said was all this evidence that they had gathered that said that jussie had done this, we'll never see it. so now we're left in a six, we have more questions than answers. we will never know the answers to that, and it allows everybody involved in that case to go out and say whatever they want. because we will never have any everyday to contradict it. >> and jussie smollett as we heard before he said he is innocent and rahm emanuel was on wolf blitzer. she upset. listen to what he says. >> what happens to the young man
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who wants to in the future come forward because he has been the victim of a hate crime or somebody of a place of employment where there is actual l noose left at their desk or locker. will they not be willing to come forward because they will be questioned because of who he is caught everybody by surprise, he all of a sudden gets off with two days of service. >> because of who he is, the mayor was implying, elsewhere outright, this was a matter of celebrity. he was treated differently. in the end, ba you was he was a celebrity. do you see that? >> yeah, there is no question about it. there is nobody that can come off of the street and have the treatment that jussie smollett got. let's be clear about something. over the week, we had an off duty chicago police officer get executed in what was a real hate crime. by contrast we have jussie smollett pay people to patriot noose around his neck, stage a hate crime and he plays the victim trifecta, he was a supposed victim when he was
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attacked. he was a victim again when he got prosecuted. shockingly he is claiming me is a victim now by having gone through all of this. the police interviewed over 100 people. they had over i think 60 cameras that they used in this. will you not see a case that is this nice and neat on a television "law and order" show. there is no question in anybody's mind and, in fact, the prosecutor who handled this case said point plank that he believes that jussie is guilty. everybody believes that jussie is guilty except somehow he's convinced himself he is not. so to say he got special treatment is without question, as charles said, we'll never know the full story about what happened. there is no reason for or this case to be sealed. the damage continues to be done. there will be a long-term strain between the chicago police department who did a fantastic job in resolving this case and finding a quick solution, putting countless hours into it. now their trust between the police department and the state
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attorney's officer about whether or not they can trust this case to be prosecuted or the state's attorney can pick and choose who gets justice? >> do you see the police department as a victim here? >> to a degree, the chicago police department has a lot to answer for in cases other than this. so it is hard to be sympathetic their case. although in this case, i would like to at least see what they have uncovered. >> that said, i do agree we what he said. i think that all of us, including the mayor have to acknowledge something, which is that people get breaks all the time and it is very often people who are wealthy or power. that is very often according toed to race in america. people who are poor, very often black and brown, do not get those breaks. what's happened here is that the philosophy was turned ysidro out, the people with the wealth and the power was black. it was ticking people off for
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that reason and also because he invoked a political, the trump supporters. but there are hundreds of thousands of people right now in local jails because they have never been convicted of any crime. they don't have enough money to bail themselves out. right. so jussie had the privilege of being able to say i had $10,000, i'm going home and also the privilege of being able to say, the case is over. you keep it. i don't even need it. no poor person could do that right? so the whole system is a kind of a mockery because it is corrupted by money and power. and so we have to step back and at least acknowledge that fact. this is not a jussie corruption. this is a corruption that we, that goes from the base all the way up to the presidency, where you have enough power, have you enough money, you can fight hard enough and you might catch a break that poor people often black people will never, ever catch. >> you think someone was pulling strings behind the scenes,
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commissioner? ? >> all right, something obviously happened. charlotte hit it on the head. this doesn't happen to the person offer the street. for them to say there was no deem. nobody walks away from their $10,000. this was a part of a deal. there is no two ways about that. you know, charles is lavishing compliments on him today. he is right as usual here. this is a situation, it's interesting, you are seeing a lot of backlash from within the african-american community here saying, wait a second, you are making everybody look bad. you are making the system look bad and then you are turning it around, rather than saying, hey, let's all move on, this has been a tragic situation. let's all get on with our lives. he has the audacity to come out here and proclaim his innocence again. it's a slap in the face. while you do have poor people, mostly black and brown sitting in cook county jail awaiting far less serious offenses than this one was. so this, as i said, it does
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damage to the justice system. it's done damage to the city of chicago who has had enough problems already. jussie smollett got on the international stage and said, hey, i can't even walk the city of chicago. jussie smollett lied. >> right. go ahead. >> i didn't mean to interrupt. all i was going to say to charles, though, as we close here, again, we were all shocked, we didn't think it was going to happen. we thought it would go to trial. i don't know, i talked to plenty of attorneys who sigh ay it was as much a close and shut case, their stories have changed over time. it did appear to be a strong case, charles, given there was this alternative disposition to have jussie smollett come out at the end of the day and say, oh, i'm innocent. i have always been innocent here. >> that came to a shock to me. >> i said from the very beginning i needed to see what the police were basing this case out they laid it on.
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so they presented a narrative he sent a letter to himself. i need to see who is that based on. i don't know. >> that he had paid them money to beat him up. what is the every day of that. so, all of that would have come out in a trial. the public would have been able to look at that and evaluate whether or not they believe, which side they believe or not. at this point, though, we have no way of verifying any of what the police said or what jussie said and the way our system of justice is set up, it is independent until proven guilty. because they are not going to try to prove it, you are left with jussie being able to say i am innocent and who are we to squabble with it at this point? >> there are all these questions. this is on a serious issue. hate crimes, and to have all this ancillary debate now and confusion over it is baffling. all right, appreciate it. thank you so much for being with us. the trump administration is asking a court to strike down the entire affordable care act with as of now no alternative to
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the white house official tells cnn, there has been a heated debate inside the trump administration over whether the justice department should support a ruling to invalidate, throw out, the entire affordable care act. so what would happen if the courts effectively kill obamacare. joining me is health and human services kathleen sebelius. she led the effort to pass and implement the affordable care act. secretary, thank you so much for being with us. there is a legal, a policy and political discussion to be had with this. you are equally equipped to handle the three. i want to start with the legal policy issue first. if a court decided tomorrow to strike down all of obamacare and say the supreme court agreed, what would happen? what would happen? what would millions of americans lose? >> well, i think, john, people
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have to understand how much the affordable care act affects almost every american who relies on healthcare. so starting with the millions of people who are now enrolled in obamacare plans, they would clearly lose coverage. so would the 17 million who have expanded medicaid coverage in states across the country. now 34 states and as you know, three states had a valid initiative this november and overwhelmingly passed in our state of kansas. one of the additional three states with new governors pledging to expand ped cade, so that's six more states where the voters have clearly spoken that they want this to happen. we would lose all of the pre-existing protections against insurance companies. >> that means simply that insurance companies could once again after nine years of protection pick and choose who gets coverage and who doesn't
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and really charge as mump as they wanted. there are about 150 million americans with pre-existing conditions. in medicare, seniors would lose the prescription protection that they have with the so-called donor hold. so those seniors who have chronic conditions who take the most medications would again pay exorbitant rates for those medications. it goes on and on, parents who currently can help their children get coverage in an employee plan up to the age of 26 that would disappear so we estimate that most americans would have some portion of their healthcare blown up, about the uninsured rate would increase by about 65% in this country and there is no alternative being offered once again by the republicans or this administration. >> now, you laid out what the affordable care act does. those are just policies. >> that is what is the law now. >> actually, those are people.
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>> i understand. >> people affecting people. >> i understand. and but what i'm saying, though, is there can be a political debate about whether or not it does it well or it should be doing it. but that is what it does at this moment for people. >> right. >> you brought up foreman senior rick santorum, well, if the court case gets knocked down, it's an opportunity to replace it with something better. is that an architect to you? >> well, i think -- it's an argument that the republicans have made i would say since president obama signed this bill into law in march of 2010. the republican party's unifying principle has been first declared the law unconstitutional, which failed in 2012. secondly stopped it from hang. ted cruz shut the government down with the republican ascent in 2013, so that this would never go into effect. they have been trying in election after election to try
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and shut this down when the republicans owned automatic real estate in washington,ed that house, had the senate. had the presidency. they've failed to do this legislatively. now they're going to court. there has never been a replacement proposal in those entire nine years. so we don't have any idea what they would tell the american people, but we know millions of people would lose coverage and about half of americans, half of americans would lose the pre-existing conditions protections they have. >> the republicans claim graham cassidy was anal ternty. i do want to bring up a point, this is where it gets political. 39% disapprove. i will note the latest monthly premiums for obamacare have actually gone down. all that said, you have told me before, you believe the affordable care act should be improved. what are the specific. >> absolutely. >> -- improvements you would make if you could.
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>> well, i think you've had a house bill introduced yesterday, which has a lot of really important structural improvements. it would help individuals who currently don't have a subsidy for their premiums, lower those rates. make sure that people are not paying any more than 8% of theiring in. we need help with the so-called reinsurance pool that now several states have put in place. i think could be very effective across the country, paying for the highest priced cases, particularly in fragile markets. frankly, i love having the option of having people that don't have a choice in the marketplace be able to have a public option, buy into a public plan and have that kind of competitive choice. so, there is a bill right now in the house floor that has been introduced that has very specific changes that could help people overnight. i think continuing the implementation of medicaid so a state like mine in kansas where we have 150,000 people who are,
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frankly, earning too little to be subsidized in the private marketplace who could have coverage overnight if the senate passes the bill, that is pending. so we have some real ways to immediately help americans who are still struggling with high comforts. i am hoping that congress goes to work on prescription drug costs. >> that affects every american and so those pieces can happen right away. >> thank you for visiting with us. >> sure. john, this is this measles emergency in a new york suburb one vaccinated children being baned from being out in public. so dr. sanjay gupta will join us about this next.
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here's to your health. children under the age of 18 who are not vaccinated are now banned from going to public places in rockland county, new york. officials say the ban aims to put an end to a measles outbreak that began in october. so joining us now is cnn medical
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correspondent sanjay gupta, what does this mean? >> this is really interesting. i don't think i've heard of something quite like this a ban for unvaccinated children, people under the age of 18, from attending public places, keep in mind, i will tell you what that will mean specifically. could ep in mind, this is after you've had an increasing number of measles cases in rockland county, new york. the numbers go up 350 cases since october. you've had kids pulled out of school for having been unvaccinated. you've had 17,000 doses of the measles vaccine given over the last few month, still the numbers continue to go up. what this is saying is basically any public place, places where people congregate, including buses, things like that. people who are unvaccinate reasonable doubt banned from attending those places, it does not mean there will be law enforcement walking around asking for vaccination records. but if subsequently someone contracts the measles, they were
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found to have been unvaccinated and found to have been in one of these public places, they can be referred to the district attorney's office, they could face a penalty for that. so, we don't know exactly how that's going to be enforced, because this is a new thing, clearly, this is a strong message, allison, that if you were not vaccinated, you need to get vaccinated. >> sanjaysh obviously, we have been talking, hearing over the last few months about measles, outbreaks in new york, california, washington state. so how big of a threat are those? >> this is, you know, you talk about one of the post-contagious infectious diseases out there. i will show you numbers in terms of how protecttive measles vaccine can be. if you get both the shots as a kid you are 97% protected. if you look at the numbers of people who have contracted the measles, the vast majority of them were not vaccinated. you know, which makes sense. but just to be clear, that also gives you some indication of how
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protective this vaccine is. those are the numbers there, 82% did not get vaccinated. is it 100% effective? >> no. this is how they will figure this out. >> thank you so much. we want everybody to join him as he journeys across the world to find secrets to living better. the all new cnn original series "chasing life" premiers saturday only on cnn. i can't wait to watch it. thank you so much, sanjay. new york senator kirsten gillibrand just did something no other 2020 candidate has done. we will talk to her live. next.
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. senator kirsten gilldebrand just became the first presidential candidate to disclose her 2018 tax returns.
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she is challenging other candidates to do the same. joining us now is senator kirsten jill brands, good to see. >> you thank you for having me. >> hot off the presses, you now have 12 years of your tax returns out in the public domain, you j you this morning in the past hour released your 2018 taxes, i don't think they're due yet. >> not yet. april 15th. >> you are ahead of it. why did you want to do na. >> because i think transparency is so important in government. when i first ran one i posted my earmarked requests and financial disclosure and schedule, it was my sunlight report. i think the american people have a right to know, particularly the president has not disclosed his tax returns, have a right to know. it basically means, it allows people to know you are working for them and nobody else. >> you are drawing a contrast between yourself and president trump. in fact, in your official announcement of jumping in the race just this sunday, you did
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it in front of the trump hotel. i am just wondering, we have a wide shot here, do you really want president trump's name looming over your announcement, what was your thinking of doing it right on his doorstep? >> i this president trump is literally tearing apart the moral fabric of our country. we started our announcement, i will lift up their voices, survivors of gun violence, transgender service members, people who believe that this country the only home they've known, dreamers, they are speaking out and our president unfortunately has missed, demind and not represented all of america. so this campaign is about a vision. a vision for america about what's right, about making sure that we show what bravery looks like and fighting for what's right. it doesn't matter who you are
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fighting against, it matters who you are fighting for. i talked about the values i have, passing a green new deal, make, sure we have healthcare as a right, into the privilege, making sure we have better schools and getting rid of college debt. what it matters to be an american, the american dream is actually for everybody. >> i guess the point is president trump has a way of eclipsing lots of other things so all of you candidates have to decide whether you will ignore him or kind of make him the backdrop of things, it seems -- >> that tower i'm standing, it is a tower that represents greed and division and vanity and all things that is not who we are on our best days. i believe as abraham lincoln wants us to do is look to our better angels. i believe that we should be being a stronger country. what makes us great is the diversity and entrepreneurialism and the ability to dream big and that's why we should pass a
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green if you deal and get a renewable economy so we can take on something as big as a climate change. it's why we should deliver, healthcare is a right not a privilege. i know how to get et from a to b. we should let people buy if. it's a part of the bill i got to work on. so it's all about who has a bigger vision for this country and really showing that there is such a difference two president trump is and certainly who i am, starting on transparency and accountability. i have done the great things as passing the stock act, which says members of congress could not engage if inside trading. it's an obvious fact. they were. taking on congress and not voting for the bailouts that i did. i have the courage and bravery to stand up when it matters when taking on fights that sometimes other people won't take on. >> i want to ask you about joe biden. he is not yet in the race, though good money says he will get in at some point soon. so he has been having to explain
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his conduct during the anita hill hearings in 1991. and last night, he did so again. so i want to play for you what he said about that. so this was in 1991 here. many people thought his treatment of her was tone deal. here's what he said about it last night. >> when anita till i hill came to testify. she faced a committee that didn't fully understand what the hell it was all about. to this day, i regret i couldn't come up with a way to get her the kind of hearing she deserved. >> what do you think? >> well, we know the afifa hill hearings were deeply flawed. there were lots of allegations at the time. there were a lot of corroborating witnesses that weren't even interviewed and which is why when we had the most recent kavanaugh hearings we were so focused on all these corroborating witnesses that the committee would not allow to testify. so they made the same mistakes again, not allowing truth to be told. not allowing full transparency
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and all of this goes to this overwhelmingly important issue. to me. and should be to america. do we value women? do we allow these stories to come forward to believe them enough to hear the stories, hear from the corroborating witnesss, get the facts. all of that is necessary. that's why i've taken on the pentagon over sexual assault in the military and taken only college campuss to make sure we have a process there and even congress. we were able to pass on a bipartisan basis a unanimous bit. lots of us working on it, even with ted cruz, to get that work done to change the rules here. >> i mean, yet, you know how complicated, how grave these things can be. you had a situation in your own office where a woman didn't feel heard adequately. would you do anything differently in that situation? >> she was definitely heard and believed. we believed all her allegations. we investigated thoroughly and immediately. and the allegations that she actually made didn't rise to the level of sexual harassment.
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so she was never not believed. and we took it very seriously, which we always do. that's the point. when someone comes forward, you must take it seriously. that's why we are demanding the pentagon to actually prosecute these cases of sexual assault and harassment. it's why we change the rules for congress, someone that came forward against their boss would have had to wait three months to file a claim and have a mandatory waiting period of three months of cooling off, of mandatory arbitration and counseling. like it wasn't fair. >> so that's why you have to create a process that's immediate, that takes these claims seriously, which is what we did. for that particular person, i told her we loved her, we very much valued her. >> i want to move on to guns. because as you know, the parkland student activists are here in d.c. yesterday they built this incredible art installation on basically the front lawn of the xochlt because they want to get law makers attention. that's a bulls eye.
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>> that i have a student trapped at the desk in the middle. they don't think federally lawmakers are paying attention. your complacency kills us. so they put that right on the capitol lawn. they want more done. i know your position on guns has changed, of course, over the years. in earlier in year e career ability 2008, you were a supporter of gun rights so much the gun rights gave you an a rating. so who has happened since then? >> so ten years ago when i became a u.s. senator, i recognized i was only focused oand the needs of my upstate district. i really should have been focusing on the needs of everyone. and i think what these kids are doing is incredible. i think that installation is so powerful and congress does deserve to have those words right in front of their faces, their complacency in washington is an out rage. the thing is i have a proud rating by the nra now. the truth of this is the nra is
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corrupted. it is largely funded by gun manufacturers and this is the difference between capitalism and greed. when you say our gun sales are more important than having a universal background check, more important than making sure a terrorist on a terror watch list can't get a gun or making sure someone with grave mental illness with a violent background can't get a gun, what the nra is saying, no, no, no, we want all those people to be able to purchase guns, because we are against universal background checks, the fact that these members of congress continue to turn a mind eye and refuse to do the right thing is an outrage. >> in 2008 you didn't understand that? >> i didn't have -- i didn't do the right thing. i think someone who can't recognize when they're wrong is far more concerning if you could never admit when you are wrong. not only was i wrong, not only should i have cared more about gun violence in other parts of my state or my country. i didn't. so now i know, i need to be far
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more thoughtful about all issues, regardless if it's an issue from my state or my district. i think that makes me a better candidate for president. i think it makes me a better person. if you don't out the humidity to know when you are wrong, how will you possibly govern all of america and possibly help automatic places in america that needs your voice? i can do that. one of the reasons why i'm running for president is i've always done that i bring our state together with the highest vote threshold in the history at 72%. it's because i win the red places, the blue place, a and the purple places, because i fight for everyone's family as they were my own. >> thank you so much for being on "new day." >> it's been a delight, thank you. new developments in the battle over your healthcare. that's next. swim instructor to help manny overcome his fear. their gps took them to places out of a storybook. and they called grandma when manny felt sad about not being able to swim.
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overall, they shared 176 pictures. but when the moment came, they held their breath, and watched their son learn to believe in himself.
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[ music playing ] a very good wednesday morning to you, i'm jim scuitto, poppy harlow has the week off. a week affecting healthcare, through obamacare and medicaid expansion is raging at the highest levels of the white house. cnn has learned the trump administration's push to strike down the affordable care act, obamacareic nighted a heated debate inside the president's own team. politico reporting two cabinet secretaries, the new attorney general william barr

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