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>> chicago's top prosecutor is defending her decision to drop all the charges against the actor who is accused of staging a hate crime attack on himself. ryan young is live in chicago with the breaking news, ryan. you have some fresh reporting on this overnight into what now appears to be a federal investigation. explain. >> reporter: yeah. absolutely. we were looking into this yesterday. in fact, some sources were telling us this could happen that the fbi and doj could start looking into this case. we weren't at the point to report it. then you have this tweet from the president who basically confirms what we've been talking. fbi and doj to review the outrageous jussie smollett case in chicago. it's an embarrassment to our nation. if you think about this over the last few days so many people have been upset about how this sort of went away. there's a 16 count indictment that was just sort of dropped. an emergency hearing. so many people had questions about this. it sort of spiralled on. let not forget that jussie
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smollett reported at the end of january. that he was coming back from the subway when two men attacked him. threw a noose around his neck. wearing red hats screaming this is maga country. so many people around the country came to his response. chicago police department respond with 12 detectives around the clock to figure this case out. it took almost a month before they sort of figured out something didn't seem the right them. of course these two brothers who gave police all this evidence that started pointing the finger according to them back towards jussie smollett. after all this you had this reading of the evidence. after this video was released. and the fact that they said that jussie smollett was upset about what he was paid and he wanted more money, he wanted more attention and that they did this hoax to pull this off. so everybody thought this was going to go to court. this was going to have a case. he didn't think he would go jail.
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maybe settle, do a plea deal. then those charges were dropped. in fact, listen to the state's attorney defending her decision to drop that 16 count indictment. >> the court has not found him guilty. based on the facts and the evidence that was presented and the charging decision made by this office, this office believed that they could prove him guilty. >> reporter: the thing that stood out to a lot of people was the fact that after this was dropped we found out that jussie smollett went to the rainbow push coalition, did two days of commune service. he forfeited the $10,000. then he stood at the mike and basically said he was always innocent and that he wouldn't have done this. so you have the response from the police department and the mayor so forcefully saying they believe they had the evidence against jussie smollett. you saw all this going back and forth. this has been a crazy story to say the least but now you have this tweet from the president adding more fuel to this fire. >> ryan young for us in chicago. thank you very much.
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joining us now to talk a little bit about this and other major developments overnight, senior white house correspondent at bloomberg news and cnn political analyst, a national political reporter for the "new york times" an cnn political analyst and a national political reporter at politico. i want to start with you, federal investigation going on into the jussie smollett case, that's based on reporting that robert young did overnight. to hear from the president of the united states this morning via twitter on this subject, to me was interesting. this indicates to me he thinks it's politically advantageous to do so, in this case specifically and indicates b, maybe he's not happy with all the health care talk that's been going on in the last couple of days. >> those are two pretty good guesses. you have a president responding to talking to the conservative media and under that's the issues his base is animated by. sometimes the white house
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rallies around. yesterday you had conservative commentators and pundits saying things like this was an outrageous shove justice out in chicago, that things were fishy and people needed to get to the bottom of this. it doesn't surprise me you have the president responding, using this as a wedge issue, again on those kind of racial and lines of criminal justice and saying that he's going to go out there and use the fbi and doj to look into this case. i would say, though, that this is kind of opposed to some of the things we heard the president say in the past about when president obama or other national outlets tried to use the doj and fbi to look at black lives matter or police shootings and look at prosecutorial decisions in those cases. the president is saying fbi and doj is necessary to look at the cook county attorney's decision now when previously they wanted the federal government to stay out of these cases. >> what i can tell is if the
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president is calling upon the doj and the fbi to investigate or announcing that they have decided to investigate. if the president, in other words, is instigating this and if any u.s. president can tell the fbi you need to start investigating jussie smollett, or his wording, i just can't quite understand from the wording who initiated. >> fbi and doj to review the outrageous jussie smollett case in chicago. it is an embarrassment to our nation. it's not an order exactly but an announcement that it's happening. >> right. look i guess we'll have to see exactly what the fbi or the doj does. again, the president has done this before, sent signals to his cabinet members about what he would like to see happen, whether or not they follow through is something we have to see, but i want to go back to something that is trump using to rile up his base which is completely accurate. we know republicans repeatedly
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thereof hammer democrats about using quote identity politics. but this is an attempt by republicans to repeatedly, you know, push racial issues in this country ahead of the 2020 election because they think it is advantageous for them. >> there are federal questions here about whether mail was used to send a letter to jussie smollett that may or may not have -- >> there's a lot of questions to dive into with jussie smollett that call for an investigation. i just don't know -- >> the fbi might have been doing it on its own. you don't usually here the chief executive get involved in there. the other side is if he's trying to change the subject it would be from this issue of health care which is a lot more reporting now how it came to be that the white house decided to support a judicial strike down of obamacare, to weigh in on this case they want obamacare declared invalid immediately. we now know that there is no
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immediate white house plan to replace obamacare, which is telling. >> yeah. nor is there an immediate republican plan to replace the affordable care act. so you have a huge amount of consternation among republican lawmakers. mitch mcconnell among them not delighted this landed in his lap. same with house minority leader. some divisions inside the white house about whether this is the prudent tactic to take. what the president is saying and chief of staff, the strategy they are pursuing if the courts invalidate this the republicans have to couple with a plan. good for republicans to have a plan heading into the election. there's obviously a huge chance of backfire so when they controlled both chambers they couldn't come up with a replacement plan and there is no replacement plan now and democrats successfully ran on this issue in the mid-term elections and, of course, the president is thinking about the
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2020 election. a lot of republicans in congress still have mid-terms in 2020 also. so there are a number of pitfalls but i think jussie smollett case in addition to having the effect of having gone away from health care, it's such a core issue for the president and his family and team because of sort of allegations that supposed facts of the case in the beginning which the investigators later kind of ruled out were the idea that these were trump fans who were going after him. it's very personal for the president. you can ask if it's appropriate for the president to take such a personal issue and personally instructing the justice department about how to proceed. i think this is a case not only that can impact how the base feels about it but that would be personally satisfying for president trump to have a win on. >> that's an interesting perspective. back to health care for a moment. i think that the republicans do have lots of plans. we just heard one touted yesterday by rick santorum. they have lots of plans.
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when they controlled both houses those plans didn't fly. what we heard rick santorum say yesterday to us was sort of blaming john mccain that john mccain is who scuttled it then for them. but why they would think now that they don't control the house that one of their plans is going to be able to move forward? it seems overly optimistic. >> there's no indication that the republican health care plans that failed kind of so spectacularly last year are any closer to passage this year. as you point out there's a big obstacle now which is a house of representatives that's now controlled by democrats, almost purely because democrats ran on this issue in the mid-term elections. the fact that the white house coming out of a weekend in which they had kind of the news of their dreams would pivot to this issue, defies political logic. you heard republicans come out and say i don't know exactly why we're doing this. you had some democrats come out
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and say i can't believe they are doing this and kind of gleefully. on the 2020 side, the democratic presidential candidates are eager to talk about more kitchen table issues like health care rather than to parse out the mueller probe and parse out questions of collusion. to get back to your question, i think that's a good point. we don't know that these republican plans are any closer to passage and it seems like it's kind of unfair to blame the late senator mccain considering there was a lot of republicans at that time that were uneasy about a wide number of those plans. >> laura, i want you to listen to the language that the president used overnight in a conversation with his friend sean hannity on health care. i think the language here is very telling. listen to this. >> so many things that we're going to do incredible health care that the democrats frankly wouldn't even know how to do. we'll have great health care. the republican party will be the party of great health care. we're going to.
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>> we're going to have pre-existing conditions absolutely. i don't know what i means there he knows what he means there. i don't think he has proven that he understands the issues surrounding protecting people who have pre-existing conditions. this one guaranteeing that they can get health coverage and two guaranteeing that health care can be affordable. i think he needs prove he ones the nuance here other than just the words and the syllables. >> the administration specifically worked to dismantle protections for pre-existing conditions that were under the aca. again, this was something that drastically hurt republicans in the 2018 mid-terms. they lost 40 seats in the house because of their repeated attempts to repeal the affordable care act and go after protections for pre-existing conditions. on top of the lawsuit that we
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just saw, which also entirely dismantles the law and so democrats want to take this and run with it because it's the reason that they control the house now. they are hopeful it will either help them maintain their majority as well as pick up more seats in the senate in 2020 and of course the ultimate win is the white house for them. ate little ironic the president is mentioning protecting pre-existing conditions given the fact that the lawsuit that the administration signed on to attacks those. >> quickly is that the plan for democrats, they will harness somehow, figure out how to harness this horse and ride it to 2020? >> i think they would like to do that. president trump is counting on the fact that democrats sometimes divide and conquer themselves. there are some disputes inside the democratic party about, you know, whether or how quickly to pursue medicare for all, whether this still should be a private insurance system or not.
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so to some extent the president may be looking at divide and conquer. on the other hand, he's kind of a student or an enthusiast of rhetoric. you can see the wheels turning when he comes up with catch phrases and repeats them like three or four time in a sequence like we saw him do there. that's him trying to see if it will work if people will redefine idea and associate republicans with the word health care and pre-existing conditions. >> we'll have the best pre-existing conditions. >> we have a lot. >> panel, thank you. that was a good focus group. up next lawmakers grilling the faa and transportation secretary about the safety crisis involving boeing jets. we have a former head of the faa to explain what went wrong here and what needs to be fixed.
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an internal federal watchdog raising concerns about the faa's safety oversight following two deadly crashes of boeing 737 max
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aircraft. >> clearly confidence in faa is a gold standard for aviation safety has been shaken. >> i am, of course, concerned about any allegations. >> joining us now is randy babbitt. he's a former airline pilot. thank you so much for being here. we look forward to getting your expertise on this. should the faa have been more vigorous in ilts oversight of boeing? >> well i think in retrospect, you know, there's a lot of second guessing going on. the big failure was recognizing or failing to recognize the training that would be required to transition to a different safety system. how they get into manuals and so forth will be scrutinized. i think there were some bad assumptions made which i'm certain a lot of people regret
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now. >> when you talk about there being a lack of training. let me put a finer point on that for everyone because this comes from "the washington post" having looked at the flight manual. here's what it says. despite substantial changes to the plane's engine size and placement and addition of the mcas flight control system training for the 737 max had consisted of roughly hour long computer based course. how is that possible that pilots would only had an hour on a computer after all of these substantial changes to that aircraft? >> yeah. that's going come under scrutiny. the differences between, you know, if you bought a car one year newer than last year might be different they might just explain those things to you. that was the assumption made here that decisions were made that this airplane is not substantially different than the previous models and, therefore, all you needed to understand was
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the differences. i think the failure here, the failure to recognize that this one particular system was substantially different, you basically had a single source of data that was allowed to have control input to the aircraft and i don't think that was made clear to a lot of people. >> apparently not. so i think the big question is what's going wrong at the faa? >> i think the assumption the aircraft i think the fix will come out be a safe fix, i think the failure was to not alert pilots that this system was kicking in. in other words there should have been warning light. common sense would tell me that any, any device, any data input that's giving control authority to the airplane should at least have another comparison of another data source, good example the two compasses in the airplane. every aircraft, every major
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airplane that flies an airline service has a comparative. a light comes on when they don't agree. i one it will be put in now. >> woefully late. so yes, it sounds like they have figured out that there was a problem with the technology on this plane and they are going to fix it. but that's specific to the 737 max. i'm talking about the larger issue. it sounds like the faa was letting boeing police itself on some level. >> ah-ha. >> is that true? >> yeah, i mean we do that in a lot of places. think about it. the banking industry. security. lots of these places. people come in and inspect to see that you're doing these audits correctly. it would take the faa, would have to tire tens of thousands of inspectors to actually, you know, do all of the work that we entrouft boeing. and it's been, you know, truly when you think about the hundreds of millions of hours
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that have flown safely -- we haven't had a major accident in this country in lam decade. can the system improve? yes. that's the focus of what can we do make this system better so we don't have, you know this is an industry that cannot suffer a hairline crack of oversight and we need to make certain that oversight is there. it's effective. and it's doing what we want it to do. >> you think it's a manpower problem and should the faa have more, i guess should have a bigger budget and more people to do this. is that the solution? >> well, i think the part of it. if you're going to have -- i mean we do a lot of oversight. airlines themselves the pilots are checked by pilots who work for that airline. however they check, they occasionally get inspected by federal flight inspectors. they ride or watch them give them check rides and so forth. the faa couldn't hire enough
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pilots to check all of the airline pilots in this country. we entrust the airlines to do that. so finding the balance, what's the right amount of balance that we need to find? do we need more people to audit the work that boeing is doing and when boeing says this system works perfectly and we put it through rigorous testing how far do we go with that? what do we need to do? do we need more manpower, a better system? we're in an age of new technology. these aircraft are becoming far more digital, all glass cockpits. it's a different environment today and you train differently. we need to recognize that and train pilots to better understand some of the changes that have been made in these aircraft. >> for sure. very quickly. you're a pilot. would you today fly the 737 max 8 plane? >> absolutely. the sad part of this, every pilot who has boeing experience,
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there's a very large trim wheel in that aircraft. if it's moving and you're flying the aircraft, the answer is to turn it off. every pilot, every pilot has a rating on this aircraft has had a run away trim situation as part of your training, part of your testing. that trim wheel begins to move and you're flying the airplane, you're not commanding it you turn the switches off. not like they have to dramatically redesign the airplane. they have to let people know you're getting control input you don't want and your option here is to under it and turn it off. if it's putting a bad control input in for you. >> randy babbitt, thank you very much for being on today. >> thank you very much. john. >> huge controversy surrounding the trump administration after it moved to slash funding from the special olympics. congressman joe kennedy joins us to discuss next.
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secretary betsy devos is coming under fire for her plan to cut
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all federal funding to the special olympics. devos is defending the decision insisting the charity can get a lot of money from private donors. stephanie elam is live in los angeles with more. >> reporter: good morning. overall when you take a look at the proposed budget for the department of education they are looking to cut some 29 programs to save about $6.7 billion. but one program in particular that has people up in arm and that's special olympics. dustin faced some hard times as a child. at home -- >> nobody in my family knew,000 support me. >> reporter: and at school. where he was bullied until he discovered special olympics. some 20 years later not only is he an athlete he's also an outreach manager and inspirational speaker for special olympics southern california. >> 97% of seniors on high school campuses say special olympics made an impact in their life and that's why funding is so
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important to us. >> reporter: the funding that he's worried about is federal. the department of education's proposed budget for 2020 would eliminate all grant money for the nonprofit, dropping it from more than $17.5 million to zero. education secretary betsy devos took heat from congress as she defended the cuts. >> do you know how many kids are going to be affected by that cut, madam secretary? >> let me just say, again, we had to make some decisions with this budget. >> this is a question how many kids not about the budget. >> i don't know the number of kids. >> 270,000 kids. i'll answer it for you. 272,000 kids that are affected. >> reporter: in response devos released a statement saying quote the special olympics is not a federal program. it's a private organization. i love its work and i have personally supported its mission. because of its important work it is able to raise more than $100
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every year. there are dozens of worthy nonprofits that support students and adults with disabilities that don't get a dime of federal grant money but given our current budget realities the federal government cannot fun every worthy program particularly ones that enjoy robust support from private donation. a spokeswoman confirmed to cnn that devos does support the nonprofit privately and did donate part of her salary to the special olympics after proposing a cut to the funding. >> this is the third year in which the administration has proposed eliminating the funding. it's not complete surprise. >> reporter: the organization's bipartisan support has helped protect its funding. >> if this funding were removed our programs over 6,000 schools would be sadly devastated but we have no, no expectation that that will happen. and we are firmly committed to
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ensuring that it will not. >> reporter: now the reason for him to have some confidence on this because in previous years the trump administration has tried to cut the department of education's budget but hasn't worked out that way even when both house to and senate have been controlled by republicans. so in those years we've even seen the budget numbers for department of education have increased. >> i want to pick up on that last point that stephanie was making. joining me now is congressman joe kennedy from massachusetts. his great aunt eunice schreiber founded the special olympics. congressman thank you for being with us. in reaction from this move from this administration and betsy devos you yourself said this will never happen. so given that it will never happen, why are you so upset about it? >> so, a couple of things. one this will never happen because of the work that special olympics does because the impacts in our communities, because of the athletes that it
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serves, because of the communities, the students, the coaches that come around and embrace those athletes and what it then gives back to our communities. this is not the same organization that my great hunt started over 50 years ago. this is as my cousin said over 6,000 different schools across the country that had world games in the middle east last week or so. this is an international movement to make sure that everyone counts. that's what this is. that's what it does. the fact is that the american public are so convinced about it that it has broad based bipartisan support here. i ran into a republican colleague this morning who said he's a huge supporter of special olympics and keep him apprised of anything he could do to help the organization. you same republican appropriations official and senator roy blunt come out and say he would restore full funding to it. this has little to do with the organization or any family connection it does such good work to so many kids across our
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country. that's why i'm confident it will never happen. second question i have no idea why they would make these cuts and to blame it on budget cuts and strict budget environment, republicans just passed a tax cut that reduced funding into our coffers and then to say you don't have the money for special olympics or autism funding is cruel, misguided and outrageous. >> what do you make of the argument that the education secretary makes and we showed her statement in the piece but the end of it given our current budget realities the federal government cannot fund every worthy program particularly ones that enjoy robust support from private donations. she says they get a lot of private money. >> on two levels, one that was a reflex of a policy choice. republicans passed on a purely partisan basis, new tax code that provided generous tax deductions, tax credits for private jets and announcing you
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don't have money $17 million to fund special olympics. that's a reflex of their choice and that can't get lost in this debate. the fact is that a second part when you talk about an organization that has robust community support that is now expanding to over 6,000 schools, service 3 million people across the united states not just the athletes, coaches, other state of the union, other high school state of the union that come around in communities that embrace those athletes, because they've done that well the federal government shouldn't support that? this is exact example of a program that between a nonprofit community support and government is able to lift up those that historically have been left in the shadows throughout our country's history. why would the federal government not want to raise those folks up and celebrate them. >> what do you make of the statement from the defendant education that the secretary supports the special olympics privately and has donated part of her salary to the special
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olympics? >> look i very much appreciate that. i'm glad she's a supporter. i hope she continues to be. i don't want to speculate too hard. could be the secretary is a strong supporter of the program. but administrative officials decide they will cut it. >> you have a bill you wrote, a nonbinding resolution that would be voted on by the house today that rejects the trump administration's ban on transgender individuals serving in the military. why is this issue important to you? >> it's important for the same reasons for the special olympics. this country stands on a basic premise and a promise that everyone counts. and what you have in a ban put forth by tweet by the president of the united states, by the commander-in-chief of our military is to say for some of our men and women in uniform your service doesn't count. our military doesn't want you. and that's stunning on so many levels but it gets to the core
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of what i believe our country was founded on is here everyone is worthy and if you're willing and able to wear that unforms we celebrate your service and your government has your back. that's the message we're trying to send. not just to help to transgender but every single americans whether you wear the uniform or defend our country in other ways. >> that will be voted on today. something that's not voted is a republican plan to replace obamacare. the president as you know has signed on to this lawsuit which would strike down obamacare. and we're told by the white house they have no current plan, no immediate plan to replace it. your reaction? >> they have no plan. they haven't had a plan. the republican colleagues will concede they have no plan. there is no concrete decision from any republican in congress that if this court case is successful what would happen next. look, understand that if the
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affordable care act in its entirety is struck down this will affect almost every single american. funding for addiction and an opioid crisis will be devastated. other aspects that have little to do with health insurance subsidies. protections put in for nursing moms to be able to have a space in break time to be able to nurse their babies. that's gone. the idea that anyone would think, again, that this is a good policy or good way to try to set policy is absurd. i was in a mark up yesterday legislative hearing yesterday for about ten hours debating and passing a series of health care bills. yes there's some disagreements between democrats and republicans on this but the basic premise is that at least for democrats we want to make sure that everyone in this country gets access to the health care you need it when you need it at a price you can afford. our job 100%, once again is to
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make sure that every single american gets access to that coverage. republicans are taking a direct shot at it once again. >> the white house says we'll see a plan before the end of the year. we'll see what that plan is. moments ago president trump announced that the fbi and the justice department will investigate the jussie smollett case. we get reaction from chicago's fraternal order of police next.
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president trump tweeting about jussie smollett just moments ago. the president announcing quote the fbi and justice department to review the outrageous jussie smollett case in chicago. it is an embarrassment to our nation. joining us now the president of fraternal order of police in chicago. thank you for being here. how do you hear that tweet. it is your understanding that the fbi and doj have launched an investigation or the president is calling for that? >> you know, the fbi and the department of justice has not notified me of this. i have heard rumors that they are going to do an investigation, but they have not told us that. so, i'm hopeful that president trump's encouragement into this will launch an investigation. that's what we asked for more than a week ago. we had serious misgivings about
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what was going on two weeks ago. and it seemed when two days ago when the, when the charges were dropped for unknown reason we certainly knew that we were on the right track and were grateful that if the fbi does do the investigation and it appear that they are, that we're going to have some resolution to this and find out exactly what happened. >> connect the dots for us as best can you. i know there's so much confusion about this. from what your detectives are saying and from what people in chicago are saying, why do you think the prosecutor dropped these charges? >> you know, i appreciate you asking me to try to connect the dots. but really we're at a loss which is why the investigation is going on or why we asked for an investigation. but as we know it, we had a rock solid case. we do not -- there was rumors that the case was falling apart.
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that is completely untrue. we knew that we had a tremendous amount of evidence. we knew that a grand jury indictindict we were ready for a trial and shocked when they said they would die voter the case. certainly i've seen cases diverted when people are in need of mental treatment and so they feel that hospitalization and mental court is a better way to go. we also have seen cases that have been sealed because of protecting juveniles identity. i have never seen is a case where it has been diverted and then sealed. how in the world do you do that and why? so these questions need to be answered. >> so, mr. graham, do your police officers, detectives, the
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police department do they have a relationship with the prosecutors in the cook county office? i mean can you call them and ask what happened? >> we haven't gotten a satisfactory an. we do have a relationship. we do know that the superintendent has tried to keep open lines of communication. i spoke with kim fox the prosecutor last week, and she was very upset that i had called for an investigation. and i told her, look, we're at a loss as to the text messages that you sent to a private attorney and we don't feel that was proper. >> what did she say? >> a special prosecutor. i really can't repeat what she said. it was not pleasant. >> i mean, i'm not trying to get you to say any sort of your personal exchange with her but
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is there any adequate explanation where the charges would be dropped and somebody wouldn't be exonerated? >> not that i'm aware of. i just -- i'm baffled and i think that's one of the reasons the story keeps growing is because there doesn't seem to be any reasonable explanation for what they did. and so, you know, i certainly commend my staff and fop for making sure we stayed on top of this. making sure we called for an investigation long before the rest of it came out. so, you know -- go ahead. >> as you know the former chief of staff to the first lady michele obama called, called the prosecutor, i think on behalf of the jussie smollett family to try to, as she says, make sure this case wasn't being tried in the court of public opinion, which it did seem to be when the police came forward and publicly
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stated so much of the case and so much of their evidence. do you think that that's what ended up swaying this conclusion? >> you know, i don't believe so. certainly the crime that was alleged was, was horrible. you talk about going after somebody not only because of the color of their skin, but also because of their sexual orientation. i think chicago prides itself on being understanding to all groups and that it's a place for everyone. this took on as a hate crime. it took on a life of its own. certainly we had to make sure that we either found somebody who committed this crime or found out, find out what happened. we certainly did find out what happened. and what we found out is that this wasn't true.
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>> well, i mean we didn't go to court. we didn't find out conclusively because there was no trial and that's what's so baffling to everyone. mr. graham, we appreciate you coming on and sharing your confusion about all of this with us. >> i will say this that our detectives are some of the finest in the world and they worked extremely hard on this case. >> that's a good reminder. we heard something like 1,000 man hours to work on this. thank you very much. obviously, we'll talk again as this proceeds. >> thank you. president trump is repeatedly using the word "evil" to describe his political opponents. we will look at the evils of politicians using the word "evil" in our reality check next.
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it is time for cnn business now. this is an interesting headline. facebook tells us it is taking a stand against white nationalism and white separatism on social media platforms. cnn business correspondent alison cosick joins us now. interesting when a company takes a stand against white nationalism. >> you would think they would have done it before. now facebook is banning all content that in any way glorifies white nationalism. the decision comes less than two weeks after the suspect in a new zealand mosque attack streamed the massacre live on facebook. the social network says it has long prohibited hateful treatment of people based on race but hadn't applied the same standard to white nationalism. facebook has come under fire
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before especially following the rally and protest in charlottesville in 2017. mark zuckerberg said facebook would pay attention to content and remove posts connected to specific groups and events. a blog post said it will ban content including praise, support of white nationalism and separatism. facebook said it is clear these concepts are deeply linked to organized hate groups and have no place in our services. civil rights groups applauded the move. the lawyer for civil rights under the law said while facebook's new policies are one step forward in the fight against white supremacist movements much work remains to be done. facebook will direct people who search for certain terms to organizations that guide people to leave hate groups. >> thank you very much. we can disagree -- >> we can?
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>> and we do occasionally. should we be calling each other evil? should we call fellow americans evil? president trump does it a lot, more than past presidents. are there consequences to the rhetoric? john has the answer in the reality check. hello. >> so, look, in the wake of the barr memo, president trump is turning the rhetoric up to 11. he's even using a four-letter word. >> evil things, very bad things. many of them, you know who they are. they have done so many evil things. >> trump then threaten eed them saying they would be, quote, looked at. let's talk about evil and a very different way presidents use the word. primarily describing terrorism, mass shootings and the holocaust. george w. bush used it after 9/11. >> stood in defiance of evil. >> either you support good or evil. an act of kindness in the face of evil. >> bush used the term at more
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than 400 events during his presidency. again, most often describing foreign terrorists and their acts. president obama used the word evil 90 times from his nobel peace prize speech to the last time he spoke to the press. >> i think there is evil in the world. at the end of the day if we work hard the world gets better each time. >> with the rise of donald trump the word is making a comeback. in two years he's almost matched obama's mention of evil in two terms and much of the time condemned the holocaust, sex trafficking. but that's why his calling fellow americans is noteworthy. >> these are bad and evil people. >> in washington, d.c., a lot of evil there. a lot of bad people. >> he called john mccain's hand over of the steel dossier to the
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fbi evil and hit democrats with the same term. >> evil people, some democrats, i must say. >> when brett kavanaugh was accused of a high school sexual assault it was the accusers who were evil. >> it was a disgraceful situation. wrote about by people who are evil. >> he's railed against journalists as evil from calling the "new york times" so evil and bad to his favorite term fake news and how evil it can be, now echoed by autocrats around the globe. tone comes from the top. a recent study found 40% of people in both parties believe the opposition isn't just wrong, they are, quote, downright evil. think about that for a second. ratcheting up the rhetoric has a cost to the country. democracy depends upon an assumption of goodwill between fellow citizens. even and especially those who disagree. trump's threat to look into
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alleged evil people behind the mueller report is dangerous. trump's bluster is amplified by allies in congress and conservative media where phrases like investigate the investigators are being blasted on fox news. we are in danger of defining deviancy down and setting up an election where both sides are calling for the imprisonment of political opponents, more suited to a banana republic than the united states of america e. that's your reality check. >> it would be helpful to expand the vocabulary of insults to move away from the evil one. >> words matter, absolutely. i think it is great that you pointed out how people used the word in the past compared to how it is used now, john. thank you for that. >> we have breaking news in the jussie smollett case. "new day" continues now. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. >> welcome to "new day." it is thursday, march 28. president trump announced an fbi and justice department
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investigation into the controversial jussie smollett case. >> it comes as the illinois attorney general has been asked to review why chicago's top prosecutor abruptly decided to drop all charges against the actor who was accused of staging a hate crime attack on himself. cnn's ryan young warned us there could be breaking news at any moment and here it is. ryan, give us the details. >> reporter: we keep seeing developments in the story coming almost every hour. the president tweeting about an hour ago saying the fbi and the doj to review the outrageous jussie smollett case in chicago. it is an embarrassment to our nation. we know that's after a letter came from the republican leader, jim durkin in the city where he said, i'm concerned about the integrity of the investigation and the office for someone to falsify a hate crime and be let off the hook is unfair and sets a dangerous precedent forig

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