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by awesome experts store. it's a now there's one store that connects your life like never before store. the xfinity store is here. and it's simple, easy, awesome. welcome to "unfiltered." here's tonight's headline -- now what? in the beginning there was mueller. the earth may have been created in seven days, but his investigation of biblical proportions took nearly two years. though it's over, we still don't know exactly what it says. both democrats and republicans are insisting we see what's in
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it. attorney general william barr released his top line of the findings. they were brief, and released another her to congress detailing, sort of, what will actually get publicly released from the report that's expected mid april. now what? b.m., before mueller, democrats have a clear orienting north star, pray for mueller to take trump down, but a.m., after mueller, what is now? is it time to accept the findings and move on to other things? if you ask the democrats' ranking member, adam schiff, it's still mueller tomb. >> my colleagues may think it's okay that russians offered dirt on a candidate for. as part was what was described as the russian government's offer to help the trump campaign. i don't think it's okay. i think it's immoral. i think it's unethical. i think it's unpatriotic, and
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yes, i think it's corrupt and evidence of collusion. i do not think that conduct, criminal or not, is okay. well, republicans not surprisingly are pushing back on all of that. here's house minority leader kevin mccarthy. >> does america truly believe, or does adam schiff truly believe he knows something more than mueller? that 40 fbi agents, 19 attorneys, 2800 subpoenas, 500 witnesses, looking into 13 different countries, and saying no collusion at all? as for the president, well, he's doing this -- >> little pencil-neck adam schiff. he's got the smallest, thinnest neck i have ever seen. >> back to an adult conversation. polls show why this investigation, important as it
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was, isn't likely to change many minds. 77% of republicans say the president has been exonerated. 8 on% of democrats say he has not been. you know, it's also not a top issue among voters. a cnn policy said 13% said the mueller findings would sway them for the 2020 election, with a combined 86% say they had already figured out whether they would vote for our against trump, or that the investigation won't matter even if they are undecided now. so with trump trying to pivot to that easily solvable, totally uncontroversial issue, health care, what will democrats do? here's the deal. when presented with the opportunity to shift to policy, i think we're likely to hear warmed-over chestnuts like we can walk and chew gum at the same time from congressional democrats. that's good. i hope so. because continued oversight of this president, oversight republicans failed to do is important, but when looking
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ahead to the election, democrats also have to make a choice. fight trump on his turf, investigations that aren't likely to change anyone's minds, or on theirs. policy fights over what hears to voters, issues like health care, jobs, education, at least one candidate for president seems to get this. >> no investigation is going to turn up a piece of evidence that could suddenly show that the president is not a great guy. a lot of people know he's not a great guy. it's not about that. it really is a vote to burn the house down. if not paying attention to that, i think we -- mayor pete will be on my show, so stick around for that. other candidates like new york senator kirsten gillibrand think
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that trump should be the centerpiece of their campaign. literally she gave a campaign speech standing in front of the trump tower and insisted she has the most anti-trump record. a messiah that likely will never come. let's see if we can get a glimpse of democratic congresswoman from michigan, debbie dingell. before we talk about 2020, i want your take -- what do you want to see from the mueller report to feel snide? satisfied? >> i've been one of those people who have said we need to be talking about issues that matter to people. two years ago i predicted this
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could happen, because we weren't paying attention to health care, economic issues, trade, which was an issue the president did a good job of talking about two years ago, now he's up and down and you're not quite sure. democrats did a bad job. trade will be a big issue that determines 2020. i've been waiting for the mueller report. you can't do an impeachment that will tear the country apart if you don't have -- or parsing words on a report none of us have seen. i'm note going to have that discussion. let's see the report, see what's in it, see how much is redacted, but we have to work on the issues that matter to the people. health care is one of them. i think the president walked into it last week, when he says he wants health care for everybody, but he wants people to fight preexisting conditions, and he wants to do that, but there's no big. >> i want to talk about health care, for sure, and i think it's
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important. i'm glad you do, too, but just on this, you know, for a moment longer, your colleagues, adam schiff and jerry nadler, to name a few, are insisting the mueller findings, quote, don't matter. those were nadler's words and trump did collude with russians. ant they doing what we rightly a acutrump of doing, undermining or trust? this system, this special counsel, it isn't perfect, but it's the cement we got. until these taking a pike from trump's book? >> here's what i think. we have an important role to take on oversight. again, i have refused to engage in parsing words i have never seen. >> you're one of a few. >> i notice, but i've been consistent about that, too. we have to talk about the
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issues. we have to -- we have to make sure that russia did try to interfere. we need to worry that doesn't happen in 2020. that's a real concern, but so are some other critical issues, like health care, infrastructure, trade, jobs, economic security, and we've got to be talking about both of them. >> of course, of course, and that's important too. but i assume that you heard the president's words about wanting to focus on a broken health care system, and you welcomed that opportunity to have a discussion again about what needs to be fixed. >> i welcome that opportunity, but i'm really concerned that he continues to tell his department to go into court and fight something that would protect people from preexisting conditions. when he ran for president, people heard him say this -- i want to make sure every american
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has quality health care, except they haven't done a single thing to deliver that. if you saw, when he first ran, health care was an issue, but this last november, it was a real issue. i've spent unfortunately a lot of times in hospitals with doctors in the last few months, and people constantly stop me, scared to death that something was going to happen. my cousin was in the hospital last week, and it took me an hour to get to his room as people stopped me to talk. they know me, and they're cared to death. they don't think this president is going to epps protect him. at the costs continue to escalate, but he's contributed to the significant increase in health care costs by undermining the stability of the program. >> well, i know what a difficult year it's been for you, congresswoman. i appreciate you coming on, and sharing your personal experience, and your perspective. thanks a lot. >> thank you. okay.
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let's talk more about the health care shift with cnn political commentator andrew gillam. welcome to the program. >> sure. good to see you, s.e. >> i know they were groaning when he says he wanted to address health care, because it's a tough issue, but wouldn't democrats welcome a discussion on this issue? >> you pinned it. s -- democrats ran having have you campaigns all the way down, talking about the issue of health care and our plan to make sure we protect people. just contrast the two debates that are happening, even on the democratic side. while there are, you know, varying ways in which democrats want to approach this issue, generally we're talking about
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how to expand access and coverage. you have a president and congress, and then now too much i've got his justice department and court basically wanting to strip away health care as we know it today. i look forward to debating on the merits of what it means to expand access and make sure we get coverage and affordable coverage to as many people as we can. >> i'm you have the mind that no one has cornered on fixing this, no matter has figured this out, so we should be listening to anyone who wants to take a sledgehammer to this, as it were, and figure out how to make it bert for more people, but he also stepped in it on education, first letting betsy devos take the heat for his administration's proposed budget cuts to the special olympics, then throwing her under the bus again, perhaps like running her over with it to insist, no, no, he'll save the funding in a
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budget that only exists as a hypothetical. you don't need to go looking for other material. shouldn't you tell adam schiff and jerry nadler, get over the mueller stuff, the material is right here. >> it's disappointing, whether you're a democrat or a republican, having to debate over whether or not we all to fund the special olympics and the president's budget to defund it. i for one don't give him an ounce of credit for basically restoring the same money that he proposed taken away. he doesn't get that credit. i honestly believe we have to fight this administration on the merits. lay out a fick foss merge people that quite frankly talks about what we're going to do for every working people. i believe we're rye on the issue. i was always told by my grandmother, never, ever wrestle with a pig.
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you both get dirty, but the pig li likes it. >> if you were running against president trump or advising someone, or on someone's ticket, how would you run against trump? >> well, i wouldn't run against trump. i would run for the american people. i would talk about the issues that the american people care about. the truth is nobody wins in a dog fight with this guy. he's the only one that comes out on top. no one has any expectations. for the rest of us, people do have expectations. what i mean by running for america, over the last two, three years we've had to endure this, everything about our country has come under question. we have to remind not just ourselves, but the rest of the world of who we are as a nation. the best way is to beat him fair and square at the ballot box. >> an degree gillum, thank you
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for joining mess tonight. i hope we have many more conversations. >> i look forward to it. i talk to brian stelter about the media's role in the mueller affair. next, ahead in the poll, but still not in the campaign. will woke joe biden overcome his baggage and jump on in? biopharmaceutical researchers. pursuing life-changing cures in a country that fosters innovation here, they find breakthroughs... like a way to fight cancer by arming a patient's own t-cells... because it's not just about the next breakthrough... it's all the ones after that.
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the conclusion of the mueller investigation has prompted self-reflex in the media president trump made it clear what he thinking of the coverage last night, thinking so funny that they got a pulitzer prize of collusion with russia. there was no collusion, so they were either duped or corrupt? in any event, their prizes should be taken away. i think it's important to do a self-audit. joins me is brian stelter.
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rachel mad do you did the left no favor with trump coverage. from where you sit -- >> you're right, rear rooting for an outcome who did want to find proof of an elaborate plot. i do think when the final record comes out, people may feel underwhelmed once again. we've got to different yay between the reporters whomp trying to get to the truth and the columnists and commentators root fog an outcome.
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so fox news, they are the paragons of journalism, in that they didn't obsess over mueller, but in my position fox is not the antidote. it's the sedative, like the rufie of this problem. fox has suspended suspicion, and so, you know, i think fox is trying to get away with, you know, whistling past a graveyard. >> the "h" word comes to mind -- hypocrisy. everybody has their own version of media. the news outlets were too
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interested in this story. i would back up and point out there was a bipartisan consensus about the concern about russia's attack. there was a lot of concern about trump's lies and misleading statements. there was a lot of reason here to be suspicious. annual journalists' jobs are to ask those questions. a lot of folks on fox who are attacking mainstream media, they are saying that this was a conspiracy theory. well, some of those folks have also pushed their own conspiracy theories. >> plenty of it. >> i think it's important to be in context. but this is a great moment to be reflective about how much focus was there on trump/russia versus other policy issues in the news. i was digging around about things like drone choices.
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the evening news this week. my problem hasn't been that we as a party have been too adversarial. that's our job, as you point out. my point is we're not always that adversarial with other administrations i think from obama, w, going back to jack kennedy. think about how much we could have learned earlier had we been a bit more adversarial. i'm concerned we're not going to be this adversarial going forward. a great play to start would be with these democratic contenders, and the internet i think changes this conversation. versus 20, now le as easy as i have to make an impact appeared changes the news cycle. with the woman accusing joel
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biden of inappropriate behavior, that is an example of people being empowered by the ability to publish on the internet. i think that's partly happening. the other elements are journalists will be more adversarial because of what we have seen from the trump administration. if we're not, that's a failure on our part. thanks to the web, they can hold us more accountable than ever before. there's more of a two-way connection. >> brian, always glad to have you on. >> optimistic. >> i think it's an important conversation. make sure you catch brian on "reliable sources" for an in-depth look. coming up beto o'rourke officially kicks offer his campaign, and he i'll ask this biden's past might prevent him from getting in at all. g your hair down a little? how about a car for people who don't play golf?
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in the red file tonight, you're looking at live pictures from houston, where beto o'rourke, is holding three rallies today, after a two-week listens tour. after the former texas congressman announced his campaign. in the latest quinn by yak poll,
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he's sitting -- that's -- by other democrats that he's light on substance. how did today go? nia-malika-henderson is at the rally in houston.
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the idea that he in some ways could be different than obama, who had themes like uplift. but ran into -- i think they're obviously no beto o'rourke, a lot of these folks have bet ooh o'rourke for senate t-shirts. he has a pretty diverse crowd in a black town in hughesen, but it's near the university of houston, too, so that's one -- that's one of the arguments, he can soldierally resemble latino voters a. well as white voters. s you wrote a piece a, and it was really smart, and you asked us to envision a former congresswoman who just lost an election, embarking on a listening tour, where she showed
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no real policy insides offered up stream of consciousness starts. >> what's interesting, and i talked to voters about this, and there is this sense of do you need a white male to go up against donald trump, right? the last election you saw hillary clinton obviously fail in her bid to beat donald trump, so there is this idea of maybe the most electable candidate is actually a white male. so you see in the recent poll, as you mentioned, the quinnipiac poll, the three top vote getters -- not vote getters, but the folks who so far feel like they would vote for are all white men at this point.
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by every other metric, so far are leading in that metric. i talked to an african-american woman, she had maybe some conservative church-goers might have a problem backing a woman. keep in mind african-american women showed up and showed out for hillary clinton in 2016, but she field like maybe thee a little skeptical going forward in doing that. she's one of the people who's out here, looking for some specifics. she likes beto o'rourke, but she's going to go away from here, hoping to hearing some. nia-malika-henderson, thanks so much. from the new to the old guard, literally, let as talk about joe biden. that's next. there is this place...
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the biden 2020 campaign doesn't even exist yet, but already it's facing some challenges. they are, in many ways, a function of genetics and timing. he's an old white guy, when some think that might be discusses qualifying, and in some it's a function of his past, and his proclivity for awkward, bordering on inappropriate behavior behind women. along those lines, a new revelation from a former political candidate, lucy flores. in an essay for new york
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magazine's "the cut" she wrote bon an encounter. she wrote, biden planted a big slow kiss on the back of my head. my brain couldn't 9th process what was happening. i wanted nothing more than to get him away from me. it was demeaning and disrespectful. biden's spokesman responded to the story with a statement to cnn -- vice president biden was pleased to support lucy flores' candidates for lieutenant governor in 2014, and to speak on her behalf at a well-attended public event. neither then nor in the years since did he or the staff with him have an inkling that ms. flores was at any time uncomfortable, nor do they recall what she describes, but mr. biden believes it's her right to explain her direction and it's better for this society that she has an opportunity to
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do so. she wishes her only the best. one of the rally organizers has also responded on twitter posting a statement that -- lucy talks about a call she had with a male friend about whether to publish the essay and says that he made her question herself and her credibility would be afact if scherr shared her story publicly. that male friend was me, but that's not what i said. i told her as a friend i was sorry and concerned about what she told me that i had not heard before. knowing that i was there, i went back and told her in no way did i question her rex, but once it became public she could expect questions and what she remembered did not match my recollection or what was in the photos. in a phone interview last night with cnn, flores stood by the exchange. what does all of this mean for
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joe biden? i'm hear with baselsmychal, and alice stewart. basel, in some ways we don't need to know what happened. there are many videos of photos of biden standing behind women, i think inappropriately touching them. we have long seen him as endearing. is this about to change? >> i think it changes a bit. he's not runs as somebody else's vice president. so his own history, his own record, all of that is going to come into play. we've already seen him have to sort of make an apology about his behavior in the anita hill hearings. >> yes. >> we've also see video of him come up with he's speaking about the crime bill in a way back in the '90s that could be offensive
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to african-americans and communities of color broadly. i expect we will see much more of this as the -- as the campaign progresses, even if he's not in it, actually. he let's ask the question, is it right to look back at someone through a 2019 prism things that he did in the '80s, '90s? i don't know the answer. i'm asking. >> two words, believe kavanaugh, that comes to mind. people will continue to do so. democrats will look back on republicans, and vice versa. but here's the situation here. to say it ain't so, joe, and the aw-shucks, joe, might have been fine in the past, but it's not acceptable now. if they're going to be a party
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of zero-tolerance, that standard needs to apply across the board. the vitriol and anger against brett kavanaugh, they should apply that same to joe biden here. the question is she needs to feel as if she can tell her story. all women should be believed. >> that's what the other candidates have said so far. elizabeth warren said i believe her, and julian castro said he believes her, but you mentioned evening if he doesn't run, and i'm looking, thinking, gosh, why would he want to get in this? they're dredging it up, anyway. >> yeah, they are, and i will say this. i do think that democrats -- al franking is no longer a senator. we went through with now in an issues of several advances but in term of blackface. we are holding it just as
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accountable, but i would say he's not a candidate yet. i don't know if he will get into it, but the longer he waits, there's a bigger problem he will face. >> i agree. >> the top three consist consistently polled -- bernie, beto, biden -- i have a problem that all three are white males, so in terms of the future, that doesn't quite sit well with me, but the longer he waits, the less money he will probably be able to raise, and we -- >> and the longer he goes through this without getting anything for it. >> and the truth is that others will fill the void. by the time you get to the first debate stage, he's going to seem like someone who might be a bit out of the place, if he doesn't give us a sense he's in it early on. >> he loves the speculation game, though. he is a known commodity.
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it's almost better to be able to have to introduce yourself to america the way beto is doing, klobuchar is doing in some ways, because then you're not spending all your time swatting away at old stuff. you can see here's who i am. biden doesn't have that luxury. he's constantly defending against old stuff. >> another communication strategy is if you have baggage and skeletons in your closet, get them out there early, let it be vetted. >> get in front of it. there's going to be a lot of this, and this specific issue is one that will dogle democratic party, because they have used it so often to attack republicans. the question remains will they be behind somebody who can beat
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b barr confirmed that russia interfered in the 2016 election and intelligent agencies have warned they'll do it again in 2020. briefing books for candidates in part to combat foreign election interference. is the current administration doing enough to secure american elections. a former fbi intelligence operative, author of a new book gray day, my undercover mission to expose america's first cyber spy, which recalls his role in catching robert hanson, one of the most notorious traders in american history. eric, i'm really, really excited to talk about your book. i've seen the movie that dramatized your incredible story breach like a million times. first, i want your perspective on what we know russia has done, is still doing, and could do again. we call it meddling, to hear
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some tell it, it's really, really bad and effective. to listen to others, it amounts to nothing more than mischief, and we're overblowing it. what do you think? >> what russia has done is very dangerous. in the intelligence game we call it disruption, so what they're doing is they're taking a time in our society here in the united states when we're at a lot of division, and they're turning that up and causing more of it and the way they're doing it is with very targeted and careful cyber attacks, and they will continue to do it until we find a way to stop them. >> let's talk about what happened at trump tower in 2016. it's the stuff of movies but where your story is a thriller, there sounds to a lot of people like a slapstick comedy. trump's son, son-in-law, campaign manager meet with a russian singer's business manager who says he has dirt on hillary clinton. mueller evidently did not think that this amounted to collusion. in your experience was it stupidity or conspiracy? >> let's call it naivety.
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it was a really bad idea for them to meet in a very high profile place with a bunch of russians that they clearly didn't vet, and they certainly didn't talk to anybody who had any conception of counter intelligence or good opposition research before meeting with them. they never should have. it was stupid. >> so back when you were at the bureau, and you read about thwr gray day you were following robert hanson around d.c. to watch him make drops to his russian assets. now the playing field is cyber. years ago hanson warned of the bureau's inadd questiequate. >> i go into this in detail in gray day, and i use the 2016 election as a benchmark for what it's going to look like in the future. during that election attack, russia was able to use a number of different sophisticated
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methods to get into people's e-mail accounts, get into computer systems, and cause a massive amount of damage. they're continuing to do it. so can i throw a statistic out? during the 2018 elections, right, the midterm elections, a threat research company, cyber carbon black, a company i work with, we did an analysis of the dark web. the dark web where all the bad guys sell their data and found 81 million voter records out of databases from 20 different states for sale. now, if you buy that, you know the names of the people and who they might vote for, you can send very targeted influence campaigns against them. that's just in 2018, and i don't see that we've taken good steps to protect ourselves since then. so i'm very worried for 2020. >> just i want to ask you personally, you left the bureau after taking hanson down, despite really having wanted to become an agent for a long time.
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i'm wondering, do you regret leaving then just considering how big some of these threats have become, how involved you could have been inside? i know you've been involved in the private sector, but from the inside. >> yeah, thank you for that question. i'm still a patriot. i still want america to come out on top, and these attacks are directly against our democracy, and if i could still be in the fbi and doing something i would, but i'm in the private industry now. i'm working in security. i'm working in cyber security, and i'm doing that same work. >> yeah. >> i'm trying to bring counter intelligence to cyber and i want to stop these attacks. >> it's so important, and that's why the book is so important, not only is it a great, thrilling read about a really important moment. >> thank you. >> it's just really important for today. so eric, thanks so much. the book is "gray day, my undercover mission to expose america's first cyber spy." that's it for me. make sure you stick around for van jones. he'll be speak with pete
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good evening, i'm van jones. welcome to "the van jones show." i am so excited about tonight's installment. at last count i think we had like 300 democrats running for president, maybe 3,000, but one hopeful is having a big moment right now. he's a u.s. navy veteran. he's a rhodes scholar. he's also a young mayor working to revitalize his hometown of south bend, indiana. tonight you're going to hear from mayor pete buttigieg. but first let's talk. we got more proof this week that our justice system doesn't work

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