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this statement from the department of justice, it doesn't address that, but it does say the attorney general never meant for his letter to congress to be an entire summary. it was just an update to congress, and they say that eventually, of course, in the next week or so, this whole report with redactions should be complete. guys. >> okay. important reporting, jess. thank you very much. thanks for being with us today. we'll see. we'll see you back here tomorrow. i'm poppy harlow. >> i'm jim sciutto. "at this hour with kate bolduan" starts now. hello, everyone. i'm kate bolduan. thanks so much for joining me. under pressure. that's the name of the game today. that is what president trump is facing on multiple fronts. on the russia investigation, members of robert mueller's very tight-lipped at least until now, team, are now speaking out. and saying the attorney general's summary doesn't tell the full story. according to "the new york times," these members of mueller's team and those close
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to them, say that the report is more damaging than what bill barr laid out in his memo. and there's this from "the washington post." quote, members of mueller's team have complained to close associates that the evidence they gathered on obstruction was alarming and significant. that's not all for president trump. the new democratic majority is flexing its oversight muscles in a very real way right now. not only with subpoenas, as we discussed yesterday, for the full mueller report, but also now demanding the president's tax returns. the democratic chairman going straight to the irs to get them. the president, you'll be not surprised at all to hear, says he's not inclined to hand those over. still. let's start with this tension over the mueller report. jessica schneider is at the justice department joining me now. jessica, the justice department is just now putting out a statement about this reporting coming out in "the new york times" and "the washington post." what do you have? >> well, the department of
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justice just in the past few minutes reacting to those reports in "the new york times" and "the washington post," saying that members of mueller's team were sort of griping and frustrated to their associates about what attorney general barr released. of course, we got that initial release from attorney general barr, that four-page letter to congress, back on march 24th. what the department of justice is doing in this recent statement, which i'll read to you in a moment, is really reiterating the process by which the attorney general has given some of this information to congress. because remember, it was a four-page letter on march 24th and again last week on march 29th, he alerted congress he was going through this redaction process of the report so then it could eventually get released to congress and to the public. so here now is what the department of justice is saying. somewhat pushing back on those reports that we saw today, earlier today from "the new york times" and "washington post." here it is. every page of the confidential report provided to attorney general barr on march 22nd, 2019, was marked may contain
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material protected under federal rule of criminal procedure 6-e, a law that protects confidential grand jury information. and therefore could not be publicly released. so the department of justice saying there that a lot of this report was filled with this confidential information that they had to be careful with. then they said given the extraordinary public interest in the matter, the attorney general decided to release the report's bottom line findings in his conclusions immediately without attempting to summarize the report. with the understanding that the report itself would be released after the redaction process. then this note, as the attorney general stated in his march 29th letter to chairman graham and chairman nadler, he does not believe the report should be released in serial or piecemeal fashion and then it says the department is continuing to work with the special counsel on these redactions. so the department of justice once again explaining the procedure here. saying how important it was not to release parts of this report that were confidential, that contained grand jury
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information. and then saying, reiterating was attorney general barr had said in that letter to congress on march 24th, that his four-page letter was not meant to be this exhaustive summary. instead, he was giving them an update, and he would later release the full report here. what's interesting is what this statement from the department of justice does not address. it does not address that issue that was brought up in both of the reports in "the new york times" and "the washington post," that investigators on robert mueller's team had also given to the attorney general summaries of the report that they expected might then be released to congress rather than the attorney general making his own summary, his own four-page summary that was released to congress on march 24th. so the department of justice, kate, once again trying to explain the process here. trying to explain that the attorney general didn't want to try to give an exhaustive summary right off the bat. instead, now working through those redactions to make that full report or as much of it as
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they can public soon. we know soon could be as soon as mid-april or sooner as the attorney general said last week. >> we are basically getting to mid-april very, very, very, very quickly. good to see you. thank you so much. >> joining me now, i have a lot of questions about this. cnn legal analyst and former federal prosecutor jennifer rodgers, and also kara scannell. kara, what do you make of -- what do you make of, now, this conflict between at least some of the special counsel's team and bill barr, because what we see in the statement from the justice department is not disputing any of the reporting out there. but clearly, they're putting out a statement in response to the reporting that is out there. what do you do with it? >> that's right, kate. our colleagues jeremy herb and laura jarrett have reporting on this this morning where they learned in fact some of the same elements that is in "the new york times" and "washington post" story are true, that mueller's investigators are frustrated because of how mueller's four-page letter
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portrayed their findings of a 400-page report. now, the issue here, and this is where i think the department of justice is trying to get at this is they're trying to say under the regulations, mueller's team submits a confidential report. bill barr is trying to respond to that quickly. he issued that four-page letter to congress within 48 hours of receiving a 400-page report. and now they're saying we're going to try to go through this and release as much information as possible. i think that they're trying to push back on the notion that, you know, they could have released these summaries. they could have ion saying no, to go through it with a fine-toothed comb. the rub seems to be people from mueller's team are frustrated, the way they were going to portray that or the context they would frame these issues of obstruction and collusion, was not reflected in barr's letter. >> jennifer, what do you see in this reporting? what sticks out to you in the reporting and also now with the addition of what the justice department is saying? >> i do wonder, and they use confidential report in quotes. so it makes me wonder whether
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they're saying every single page that mueller gave to us contained this warning or is there something else? are these summaries that people have been talking about. >> could you deem those confidential reports? is this part of the confidential report or are they separate? if they're separate, this seems to be misleading and they potentially could have released those summaries. the issue here really is there's a big gap between no charges are going to be filed here and nothing wrong was done here at all. and that's the gap that we're looking to fill by seeing the report. and what the mueller team appears to be saying or some of them is it was a bit misleading to suggest no wrongdoing was done here, and we didn't find that. and when you see our report, you'll see a lot of things in that gap space, and that's what the public should be able to see. >> one sentence in the statement from the justice department is sticking out to me now. when they say given the extraordinary public interest in the matter, the attorney general decided to release the report's bottom line findings and its conclusions immediately without attempting to summarize the report, with the understanding
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that the report itself would be released after the redactions. is that acknowledging that they didn't tell the full story? >> i think in a way it is. i mean, barr is saying he just gave the principle conclusions, the bottom line answers about obstruction and collusion. as he alludes to it in the four-page letter by saying mueller's team, his report had found that there was evidence on both sides of the question of obstruction, but he did not reach a conclusion one way or the other. that leaveser as jennifer was saying, a lot to chew on as far as what is in that. what is on both sides? and you know, i think the justice department in the statement is acknowledging they were not intending to reveal what that is, but clearly, people took, and especially the president, barr's four-page letter as a way to exonerate himself. that's how it's been used. that's probably why there's also this bubbling frustration, because people have this as the first impression. without seeing what the evidence was on both sides or what the breadth of evidence was on both sides. and barr's letter is very brief on those issues. >> jennifer, what about kind of
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the frustration on the other side, if you will? in the reporting, the frustration from the barr team that mueller didn't take that step. didn't make a decision one way or the other, didn't see evidence -- wasn't going to make a determination on obstruction when it came to donald trump's team and donald trump with the russia investigation. the fact that barr's team thought it was essentially dropped in their lap, do you see that? >> that's very interesting because i share that frustration, actually. i also wanted to see mueller and his team make a decision about whether obstruction of justice was committed here because that's what prosecutors do and what he actually was brought in to do. if it's true that they are frustrated by that, i mean, i share that frustration. that doesn't necessarily mean that they needed to make that determination. if mueller decided that this was something that was better handled in congress, then i think honestly the attorney general should have just said mueller's team found that they didn't want to make a decision here and left it to congress.
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why they felt the need to say, okay, he's not going to evaluate the evidence despite being independent and knowing the investigation better than anyone, we're going to now do that, i don't understand why he felt he needed to go that step and do it if mueller didn't. >> no. let's see. again. all fascinating and all the more important that folks see the actual report. however much we get out of it. good to see you. thanks. now to the new fight over the president's tax returns. house democrats have issued a formal request to the irs commissioner to hand over six years of the president's personal and business tax returns. the president has resisted all the calls to release his returns, obviously, during the 2016 campaign, and as i previously mentioned, he's showing no signs of changing his position now. listen. >> i'm always under audit, it seems, but i have been under audit for many years because the numbers are big and i guess when you have a name, you're audited.
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but until such time as i'm not under audit, i would not be inclined to do that. >> it's still not known if he was under audit during the campaign, and then and now. it still does not prevent him from releasing his tax returns. just want to point that out. lauren fox is on capitol hill. she's been -- lauren, this is more than just an ask coming from the chairman of the tax writing committee. what is he telling you? >> well, that's right. you know, democrats believe that they have a right to see the president's tax returns. and there's one democrat on capitol hill who has the official right to ask. and that's richard neal, the chairman of the house ways and means committee. i talked to him earlier, because some liberals on the committee have said i wish he would have asked for more years of the president's tax returns. i wish he would have asked for more businesses to be probed when it comes to the tax return issue. here's what richard neal told us earlier outside of his office this morning. >> we followed irs guidelines,
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which suggest to taxpayers that six years is generally the measurement they use for advising taxpayers on how long to keep their forms. so we didn't want to have the case perhaps dismissed on a technical glitch. so again, i think as i said to you now for a long period of time, we have taken a very methodical approach to what will likely be an established court case. >> and kate, you know, he told me the day after the election that he planned to request donald trump's tax returns, but of course, it took several months to get that case ready. he's been working with house counsel. he's been talking with members of his staff. he wanted to build a relationship with the trump administration. he wants to pass infrastructure. he has other legislative priorities in the ways and means committee, but obvious le, this is a top priority for democrats on capitol hill. they say the president is the first president in decades not to voluntarily give over these tax returns.
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if they have to, they're going to go right to the irs and ask. that's what richard neal did yesterday. and he's right. you can expect a very protracted battle to get the president's tax returns. kate. >> yeah, very clearly he is anticipating a court challenge, and this going to court quickly. thanks, lauren. i appreciate it. >> joining me, cnn chief political correspondent dana bash. dana, the chairman of the committee, he made no secret that he was going to be looking into the president's taxes. he very clearly as he's talking to lauren, making clear heime anticipates this going to court. they now have asked for them. how is this going to go now? i guess there's two tracks, right? the legal track and then the political track. >> that's right, and look, the political track is going to dovetail with the legal track. and just as lauren laid out, who broke the story, pretty great reporting, i should say, that this is going to be a long process. because there is no way that the
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president is going to go, okay, you know, here it is. now, to be clear, as i say that, i should also underscore that the request wasn't for the president. the request is for and to addressed to the irs commissioner. having said that, the irs commissioner is going to have to do a very delicate dance because even though there is a law on the books that allows for the ways and means chairman to do just this, this is a man who obviously is going to have the pressure of the entire trump administration starting with the president himself on him to say you cannot give in to this partisan request that is obviously what they're calling it in public and in private. so they are preparing, rightly so, for this to go to the courts. and it will be something that is unprecedented. i mean, richard nixon had a fight over his taxes. it was a bit different. this is going to be a legal
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battle probably like we haven't seen before. and it will set a new precedent. >> yeah, sure does. it sure will, very likely. if the chairman gets the returns, and there's nothing in there that they can jump on or they see as a flag, i do wonder what then. you know they have thought about this as well. does this completely backfire on them? one can say transparency is great for transparency's sake. we all agree with that, but for what democrats think, fear, believe could be shown in those returns, i do wonder what it means. >> right, be careful if you're a dog that you're actually going to catch the car with what's going to happen. that's a great question. i think it's going to be a long time before the democrats are at that point, if ever. right now, the political question isn't so much oh, what if there's nothing there.
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it's, what is the impact on this, if it is protracted, as we expect it will be legally, what is the impact politically? and how much does this play into the democrats' favor in what they're laying out, which is why wouldn't you be transparent? what do you have to hide, sir? or as trump allies and people in his orbit argue to me all night last night, which is democrats have to be careful because they're going to do something that donald trump can't do for himself, which is they're going to make him sympathetic because enough already. people who are looking at data inside trump world say that there's so much out there that democrats who now run the house want to get from the trump administration, that it now sounds like charlie brown's teacher to a lot of these voters. you know, it's just noise. so you know, whether or not, and
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how those two diametrically opposed dynamics play into this politically speaking is going to be fascinating. >> you make such a perfect point. all the dynamics are at play together, right? the democrats are doing what they promised they would do, which they say is oversight. so they're really starting to see, especially today overnight, really starting to flex that muscle of oversight with subpoenas and these questions but how it's received on the other side, exhibit i have lost count of how the country is divided and people see it through the prism which they want. >> exactly. >> good to see you. >> you, too. >> how will the white house respond as the president faces increased pressure from congress? and just how far are democrats willing to go? exactly to what dana was just talking about right there. we'll ask a member of the house democratic leadership about that next. plus, investigators confirmed that the pilots of the doomed ethiopian air flight were following emergency procedures as they were laid out by boeing.
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oh, you... a bunch. i... thought you kinda... some breaking news on the ethiopian air crash. cnn has obtained a copy of the preliminary report that hasn't been made public yet. investigators found significant simm l similarities between last month's crash and the one involving a lion air flight five months earlier. as has been suspected both of the planes, you'll recall, involved were boeing 737 max-8 jets. tom foreman is joining me now with more details coming in from this preliminary report. tom, what are you learning?
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>> hi, kate. this report was really the entire aviation world has been waiting for, paints a very dramatic and stark picture of what happened in this very short flight ending with these terrible fatalities. simply put, it describes an airplane that at least four times automatically started diving toward the ground, according to the investigators. while the crew fought against that plane. they say that time and again, they were getting erroneous readings about the angle of the plane. there were also some fluctuations in the indication of the air speed and the altitude of the plane. in some cases, different readings from different sides of the plane. and the whole time, the crew was trying to fight it. in fact, there is evidence that at one point, they were able to pull back together. they started pulling back together, the captain asked the first officer to pitch up together. they both did and said the pitch was not enough. they were both pulling back numerous times on this flight,
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trying to overcome this. there's also an indication that they did manage to figure out what the problem was. a few minutes before it ended, they diagnosed the problem and they had disabled this mcas system, this automatic system we have been talking about that people think caused the dive. the problem was that was three minutes before the crash, but they could not then adjust the trim to recover the aircraft according to this preliminary report. the bottom line is after all of this had happened, they were trying to go back. they simply could not get the plane to come up. it kept diving in. one of the most startling things about this, they say the plane ended up in roughly a 40-degree dive, which would be something like that, at speeds approaching 600 miles per hour. >> oh, my god. >> as it finally went into the ground. at least this preliminary report, and it will take months and months to get more information, the preliminary report describes a plane
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pitching through the sky as the crew fought it and the plane seemed to fight them. it does not assign blame. it does not say specifically we know why this was happening. it just says that the voice recorder and the data recorder both indicate that this was going on with this plane. it started right after a normal takeoff and ended with the loss of all these lives. kate. >> and significant similarities between this, what happened to this plane, these final moments, and the final moments of the doomed lion air flight just less than five months before that. >> it certainly looks that way. again, we have to get the final result. this is just a preliminary finding. it assigns no blame, but this paints a very dire picher. >> that pitch, that air speed. that's terrifying. thank you very much. this coming out of this preliminary report. joining me now, peter goals. a former manager director of the
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national transportation safety board. part of the international team, the ntsb, that is trying to figure out exactly what happened in this flight. he's now a cnn aviation analyst. thank you for coming in. what do you make of this, the findings from the preliminary report, as tom was laying out? >> first, it's really good reporting. that we were -- cnn was able to get that report. because up until now, all we had was a long tweet and a press conference from the ethiopians. what the report does is really turn the spotlight back on boeing and the faa's approval process. apparently, these pilots knew what to do. and that really coincides with everything i have heard about ethiopian airways training. these pilots knew what to do. they diagnosed the problem. they did it by the book. and it didn't save the aircraft. that really throws this
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investigation into a turmoil because there is, unless they can identify a maintenance issue with the angle of attack indicator or something with the air speed indicators, this is going to be a very daunting investigation. >> yeah, i mean, and it does -- i mean, you of course immediately go to what if these pilots diagnosed the problem, did everything they were supposed to do by the book, but again, i mean, it's six minutes. it's six minutes of terror for these pilots and everyone onboard and what they're dealing with. what does it say about the safety of these jets and also the fact that you've got them grounded worldwide right now? >> yeah, well, it's two things. one is, after the lion air accident, boeing put out a directive that was followed up by the faa that essentially said read the manual, fly the manual.
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you know, remember how to do a runaway trim tab solution. that was their answer to lion air. this now says, well, even if you did that, it didn't save them. and it puts them back on the spot to come up with a new software and new pilot response that's going to have to be fully vetted. and frankly, the faa is going to have to reestablish their credibility with the world's aviation organizations to say we've looked at this in a rigorous way. we think it's safe. it's going to take time. >> i was going to ask you that, peter. what's it going to take? right now, that trust is shaken to say the least. >> no question. i mean, there was speculation after lion air that it would be -- they would have the fix in a couple weeks. even after the ethiopian airways tragedy, they said well, we've
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got the fix coming. we're going to make it, you know, a little more in depth, make it less severe when the nose goes down. that clearly is not enough. they're going to have to go back to the drawing boards and rethink this entire mcas system. >> as tom foreman points out, this preliminary report does not assign blame. but the spotlight very clearly not shifting away from boeing at this moment. peter, thank you so mechmuch. coming up for us, the justice department is defending attorney general barr's summary of the mueller report, explaining the process as well, as members of bob mueller's team are speaking out saying that his summary doesn't tell the full story. how far are democrats now willing to go to get the full report? we'll talk to a member of the house democratic leadership next.
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now it's happened. house democrats want to see the president's tax returns. republicans are already fighting back. well, the democratic chairman of the tax writing committee says the following. quote, this request is about policy, not politics. the top republican on the committee, kevin bride, he calls it abuse and says this. weaponizing our nation's tax code by targing political foes sets a dangerous precedent and weakens americans' privacy rights. this fight is serious and just getting started. joining me right now is congressman ben ray lujan of mexico. just a few days ago, he announced he's running for a senate seat that will be open as senator tom udall is retiring. thanks for coming in. >> thanks for having me. >> kevin brady, abuse and dangerous. that's what he calls the attempts to get the president's tax returns. >> look, it's clear there's authorities for the ways and means committee and the senate
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finance committee to have proper oversight over tax returns. in this case, the president of the united states. and president trump is not the first president to have his tax returns reviewed by congress. it was also president nixon, president ford. so look, this is not about the politics. this is about the policy, and insuring that everyone in this case the president of the united states, is abiding by the same rules and laws that everyone across america has to abide by. >> despite what oversight authority any committee has, can you honestly say that there's no politics involved here in trying to get his tax returns? >> look, the president is the first president in modern times not to voluntarily release his tax returns after he promised he would do that. so it's incumbent upon us as we're conducting our oversight responsibilities, in this case, the ways and means committee, and additional investigations that continue to take place in the house intelligence committee looking at financial ties of this president to the russians.
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look, in every way we can, it's incumbent upon us to get the information, the facts, and if there's nothing to hide, i don't understand why this should be such a challenge and why there should be pushback from this administration. >> politics, policy, and politics. i think we can probably agree there's a little bit of a mix of both involved here. if congressman neal, the chairman, if he gets the returns, and everything is on the up and up, as you said, if there's nothing to hide, why don't you put them out, are you ready to say that's the end of it? >> if everything is on the up and up with the president's tax returns and that's where the facts lead us, that's something that should be clearly spelled out. the same thing with the mueller report. make it public. let's make sure we understand where the facts lead us. reveal the information to the american people. if everything is on the up and up, that's where the facts lead us. >> i want to get to the mueller report in a second, but on the democratic side, a lot of the candidates have put out tax returns, multiple years. bernie sanders, though, famous has has resisting releasing his tax returns.
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in the 2016 campaign, he only released his 2014 returns. this time, he promised wolf blitzer in a town hall, to release more, saying in february it would be soon, but nothing yet. how many years do you think the democrats running for president should have to release? >> well, look. whatever we can make sure we're doing to encourage presidents to release or presidential candidates to release their tax returns we should do. congress took action and passed into law in hr-1 the requirement for presidential candidates to release their tax returns. i think that's good for truth and transparency for the american people. >> and that's a great point, that was part of hr-1. that is part of what you believe. if bernie sanders isn't putting out ten years like elizabeth warren and others have, what do you say to him? >> democrats and republicans should embrace this. i think it's incumbent upon all of us, especially those of us who voted for this important initiative from a party perspective that we make sure everyone on all sides are doing this. >> let's talk about the mueller
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report. do you have faith in the attorney general to release as much of the report as is possible? >> the attorney general has shown his reluctance, if not outright -- >> how? how has he shown his reluctance? he hasn't done anything yet. he says he's working on it. >> well, he says he's working on it. he's delaying it, only released a summary. the only people who know what's in the report is special counsel mueller and his associates as well as the attorney general. the attorney general put out a four-page summary. what's most concerning though is that "the new york times" is reporting that associates of special counsel mueller are saying that the attorney general is not accurately reporting what was in the report, so that's concerning. let's get a chance to look at this so that way, again, we can see where the facts take us and make sure it's available to not just the congress but the american people. >> what's your measure of how much of the report is enough to see? is it 50%, is it 75%? is it 90%? is it 100%, when you're talking about redactions?
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>> i'm of the opinion we need to release as much of this report as we can. i'm looking and advocating -- >> if you see 50% of the report, are you going to say that's a travesty? >> i have advocated for the release of the entire report. i understand and if sensitive to information that may be sensitive from a redaction perspective, but that does not appear to be what the attorney general is doing. as a matter of fact, it was even suggested that members of congress who had received a classified briefing in order to keep us from talking about this report, it's incumbent for the american people to see this report, and as much of it. and i have been expressing my support for the entirety of the report to be released. >> democrats were furious when jim comey held that press conference about not charging hillary clinton and talking about details of the investigation when she wasn't charged with anything during the campaign. are you asking bill barr to do the exact same? he's not charging donald trump so why should doj list out all the details, especially when you're talking about grand jury testimony, which could be true,
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maybe not true. about the investigation publicly. explain that to me. >> mr. comey decided to come forward and take action upon election day as opposed to us conducting our constitutionally responsible oversight to carry out and get this information. and that's why we're asking the attorney general to work with us. congress is doing everything we can. as a matter of fact, we voted 420-0, democrats and republicans came together to say this report should be made public and made available, and on top of that, the president of the united states himself said he wouldn't back away from releasing this report. that's all we're saying, keep your word, mr. president. >> are you satisfied if there are classified elements of this, sensitive elements, are you satisfied if members of congress see it but the public doesn't? >> absolutely not. it's incumbent that the american people also are able to see this report. i think people across america have asked for that, and that's something we should be able to deliver, and that the attorney general should respect as well. >> see what the attorney general's move is.
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add one more to the list. democratic congressman tim ryan of ohio is in. joining the growing list of 2020 democratic candidates speaking out earlier on abc, describing the moments behind how he made the final decision to run. >> i can go back just a few weeks where my daughter called me crying from school because her friend was crying to her, her dad just got transferred at the local general motors plant. the kids had to move. >> yeah. >> my daughter called me and she said, you gotta do something. and i said, i'm going to do something. and i'm going to run for president of the united states. >> a member of congress since 2003, congressman ryan says he's planning a saturday rally in youngstown, ohio. suzanne malveaux is tracking this for us. tell folks more about congressman tim ryan. >> look, kate, tim ryan is probably best known here in washington for being the guy who failed to overthrow nancy pelosi for speaker of the house twice.
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he tried after trump won in 2016 election, arguing the democratic party needed new leadership and again two years later but backed down, ultimately supporting her. outside of washington, he has very little name recognition. he's a 46-year-old congressman from ohio. he's been in office since 2003 when he first took office, he was the youngest house democrat at 29 years old. he represents the 13th district, which is largely a working class district in northeast ohio. and that is a district where roughly 45,000 people voted for both him and trump in 2016. as a young man, he was recruited to play football in college and a knee injury forced him to take another route which was politics and law. he fashions himself as a bridge, an economic champion of the forgotten middle working class, and he's both praised and criticized for being a bit all over the map when it comes to policy. he was against reproductive rights, now he supports it. he was a strong proponent of gun rights. now he leans more toward gun control. he believes in medicare for all
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and also tax cuts for corporations. and like trump, he argues against nafta, current u.s. trade deals, but he also supports a higher minimum wage, more than the $15 that bernie sanders is proposing. so what does he say about this? how does he explain it? he said this makes him fiercely independent, kate. >> how does, other than being fiercely independent, what does the congressman say is going to set him apart from the pack right now? how did he describe it? >> sure. he's a champion of the working class. i think there's a headline from the atlantic that asked the question, can a rust belt yogi save the democratic party? apparently, he's big on meditation and hot yoga. it sums it bop he's been publicly musing about running for higher office for a long time. there are those in the democratic party who believe he might not stand a chance of winning the democratic nomination, but could provide a higher profile for something down the road. his two toughest primary competitors would be joe biden
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and amy klobuchar, who are competing for the same midwestern voters. >> yes, he's low name i.d. across the country right now. when folks say he's very little known, you can say that about a lot of the candidates jumping into the race. as we see, things are changing when it comes to name i.d. thanks. i really appreciate it. >> coming up for us, a possible break in a cold case. a mystery for nearly a decade. could this teenager on the left be the missing illinois boy on the right who vanished eight years ago? more on that next. teak. one par two parts incredible. steak & ribs starting at $14.99, with your choice of sauce or dry rub. and back again is our 3-point rib bloom, topped with cheese fries and barbecue ribs. and try our everyday lunch combos, starting at $7.99. hard work leaves a mark. it shows on your clothes. they're branded by sweat, pride,
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timothy pitson and he's escaped his kidnappers and just wants to go home. incredible. cnn's national correspondent athena jones is following all the details as they are coming out on the story. they are trying to figure it out is this 14-year-old boy timothy pitson, and if so what happened to him? >> reporter: exactly. good morning, kate. this is an extraordinary story. we know that multiple law enforcement agencies are working together to try to get to the bottom of this. it all began wednesday morning with a call to police from this neighborhood here in kentucky. that call leading to this possible break in what has been an 8-year-old or nearly 8-year-old cold case that gained national attention. >> we could see the fear on him and how nervous he was and how he kept pacing, and he just looked odd. >> reporter: a stunning discovery in one kentucky town after a edge tooer told authorities he is this missing boy, timothy pitson, last seen nearly eight years ago this.
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age-progressed photo shows what he may look like today. law enforcement has not confirmed the teen's identity, but timothy's family says they are cautiously hopeful. >> i'm very hopeful that it's him and that he's okay and he's been a good place since he's gone and that he's going to come back to us. >> reporter: an ohio police report says the male identified himself as now 14-year-old pitzen adding that he, quote, just escaped from two kidnappers holding him for seven years, running across a bridge into kentucky from a red roof inn. the boy was unsure where the inn was located. a woman who saw the boy outside her house tells cnn her neighbor called police after the boy told her he had been running for two hours and didn't know where he was. >> he had bruises on his face. he looked real shaky, like he was hungry. he was unsure. i mean, even a little noise, he was jumping. he was very uneasy. >>reporter: timothy pitzen vanished when he was 6 years old after his mother checked him out
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of school and took him on a three-day road trip. the child was last seen leaving this wisconsin resort with his mother. the next day amy pitzen was discovered dead inside this illinois motel from an apparent suicide. police finding a cryptic note saying tim is somewhere safe with people who will love him and care for him. you will never find him. timothy's disappearance has puzzled law enforcement for years. >> i've yet to meet one person who believes she would ever harm her child. the other option is that she turned him over to someone who as she wrote her note would love and care for him. >> reporter: pitzen's family relaying this message to the teen they are praying is their loved one. >> we never stopped looking for him, thinking about him and that we love him and we'll do everything to get him back to a good life. >> reporter: now the teen describes his alleged kidnappers as two white men with body
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builder-type fizz eekz, one with curly hair and a spired web tattoo and the other short in the stature with a snake tattoo on his arming and police are getting an upfick in calls from the public and are working hard to track these men down. >> their hope new renewed. unbelievable. thanks so much, athena. we'll be right back.
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welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. thank you for sharing your day with us. today's biggest question. could the attorney general be part of a cover-up? members of robert mueller's team are grumbling that a.g. william barr's sum over their way is way too kind to president trump. plus, house democrats add to their oversight demands and their latest push is personal. the democrats want six years of the president's tax returns and say the law makes clear he has no choice but to turn them over. and make room for tim ryan. he's a house democrat from a blue collar ohio district, and as of a few minutes ago

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