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this is cnn tonight. i am don lemon. as pressure mounts as attorney general barr's handling of the report, he is scheduled to testify on capitol hill next week about the budget but likely will face questions about the mueller report. don't forget they're demanding he release the full report without redactions. and jeremy nadler is vowing to issue it if barr doesn't cooperate. he's also turning up the heat, demanding the justice department turn over communications between barr and mueller. so far he says he'll release a redacted version by the middle of this month and that clock is surely ticking. but some of mueller's
investigators who kept quiet about their work for two years are starting to express frustrations. several of them are unhappy of barr's handling and how their findings were summarized. sources say they believe their find rgz more damaging president trump than the attorney general has let on. there's lots to discuss. good evening to all of you. thank you for joining us. mueller's team are saying that barr didn't accurately characterize their case in his four-page letter. is his legitimacy on the line? his legacy? >> that too. as well as his legacy as someone who came in as a law and order republican. he wasn't on the trump bandwagon allegedly. remember when he testified he
said i'm so old i know the only story left is my story. presumably a good story about him supporting law and order. i think he's playing this so poorly, barr, from every perspective. he's lost the media, the confidence in the american public. he's lost members of congress who are going to issue subpoenas and he's lost parts of the mueller team if not mueller himself. i think barr has a lot of clean up. and if he sdruz to testify, my first question is were there executive sumries in that report? >> and having said all of that, if he's worried about his legacy, says i'm old or whatever, then why mischaracterize it? >> i think i -- i think maybe a lot of people were wrong about barr. in other words maybe people get more partisan as they're in the
trenches. people have described him as contrarian. i don't think he serviced the mueller investigation very well, nor department of justice. because you're looking at weeks and weeks of fighting over pieces of paper that could have been released, even out of all of them, some pieces could have been released, instead he decides to do a four-pager. and it's been a couple of weeks now and kind of tired of waiting. >> he could have said look, i would rather the american people see it and make the judgment for themselves. >> and not make the judgment on the obstruction which i don't believe that either. i don't believe barr's characterization that mueller punted the obstruction. i think it's very likely he said look, i don't know if i can indict a sitting president, but here's all the evidence. it looks bad. do something. >> the full report is the only way to know if barr
misrepresented mueller's findings. that's the only way to find out. you say barr could be in legal trouble. why do you say that? >> well, there's no question the federal statute applies to him. 1505 in title 18 deals with obstruction of processes and misrepresentations. if he is not squaring with congress when he sent that letter and that isn't an accurate representation, he could zel crossed the line. his intent would be pretty clear he's trying to protect the president. i don't know why the man took the job. not only is he putting his own reputation in jeopardy, he's putting the department of justice in a vulnerable position as well. if he's done any kind of false statement to the congress and that will be born out by what is in the actual report.
>> so what's in it for him to mischaracterize it? because that would be horrible for him. >> i can't imagine him having any reason. but i do know he has in essence taken care of dirty business for him. when the iran contrainvestigation was going on and h.w. bush was president, the way they cleaned it up just at the time the secretary of defense, cap wineberinger had been indicted and was facing trial, they issued pardons to everybody whose case hadn't been overturned and that resolved and the whole thing went away and the special counsel in that instance is not dissimilar from the current one. he's a long time republican. had been a judge whose arer a straight shooter, believed in the rule of law and he was very upset by those pardons.
>> james comey facesed enormous back lash for inserting his narrative on the clinton email investigation. is barr in a comey situation right now? >> the opposite of what comey did, right? is comey put out an enormous amount of information about hillary clinton, who was not %-pe forward indictment. and the criticism of comey was if you weren't going to indict her, why did you give a press conference and tell the world -- i'm forgetting the exact phrase -- but something like she had horrible judgment. so the case for what barr is doing, i suppose, is not to do that to trump. that is not going to be indicted, that they shouldn't smear the target or subject of the investigation. and of course rosenstein, who's been advising him on the process and over saw the mueller investigation was a serious
critic of comey and how he handled that. and in the dna of justice department leadership. if you don't prosecute, you don't talk about it. i think when it comes to a presidential investigation of this caliber it comes to something as important as getting to the bottom off what russia did in 2016, none of that really applies. we need know every detail of an investigation. luke this. this isn't just normal crime case against some citizen people haven't heard of i disagree a little bit uncharacterestically with juliet. with john unthat -- >> uh-oh. >> john, did barr commit a crime here? i think we're going a little too far over our skis. we have to see the report and
determine if there's a big gap between the four-page letter and the report. >> he didn't say he did. he said he could be. >> this guy's been around the block a couple times. i don't think barr is stupid enough to write a letter that left him exposed to legal jeopardy. >> that's my question. what's in it for him considering what he has to lose? one would think because there's so much public interest, his legacy on the line, that he would be a straight shooter. so maybe what he's saying is actually what the report said. >> it's a 400 page report. obviously you're leaving an enormous amount of detail out. >> that does not explain. i don't disagree with ryan. i never disagree with ryan,
but -- >> i do. >> i think barr -- it's one of the most complicated people if you're looking solely at motivation he's not an idiot. he wasn't with trump the last 20 years, wasn't a family member and yet he seems to be doing things that there curious from the perspective of people that want transparency. i cannot answer that question. er all i know is that at least if we believe the "new york times" reporting, which i do, members of the mueller team are not happy with that representation. the one thing i think is the question we don't have answered yet and only mueller can ansz this orer the prosecutors. if it were anyone but donald trump, would this have been an easy case? and if the answer is yes, then the evidence is clear the president, but for the fact he's president did something pretty bad.
that's the only question i have. a very specific question.ll thee don lemon, would you prosecute? if mueller says yes, it's a political question now. we're not going to indict a sitting president but let congress figure it out. >> getting to what we're saying. the former fbi director, this is what he said about barr. watch this. >> he is an institutionalest. he loves the department of justice. the only thing hes to the lose is his reputation. i think he deserves the been if the of the doubt and showing patience to guv him a chance to show us >> i don't disagree with that. i think he's right on. he's arstrict institutionalest. >> that is certainly his reputation and hopefully that is the correct reading.
the way he has fumbled this is quite out of character and not understandable. i don't know why he wanted the job, don. >> yeah. we'll see. that doesn't mean because you give him the benefit of the doubt and doesn't mean that report should not be released so people can figure it out and isn't that their job to weigh in on things like this? quickly, please. >> just to reiterate what julia said is the argument is because the remedy is up to congress and that would be impeachment. it's not like oh, we can't indict a president so he can do anything he wants. the justice department doesn't indict because congress does that.
if barr did short circuit the whole process and didn't give congress a chances to weigh in on that, that is scandalous. >> thank you, ryan, julia dash. the house judiciary committee has issued a subpoena for the full mueller report. i'm going to ask a member of the committee next. i remember setting up shipstation. one or two clicks and everything was up and running. i was printing out labels and saving money. shipstation saves us so much time. it makes it really easy and seamless. pick an order, print everything you need, slap the label onto the box, and it's ready to go. our costs for shipping were cut in half. just like that. shipstation. the #1 choice of online sellers. go to shipstation.com/tv and get 2 months free. i got this mountain bike for only $11. dealdash.com, the fair and honest bidding site. an ipad worth $505, was sold for less than $24; a playstation 4 for less than $16; and a schultz 4k television for less than $2. i
he actually release? joining me is democratic congressman who sits on the house judiciary committee. we're so appreciative of you joining us this friday night. is anything less than full mueller report acceptable to you? >> well, not really. we should see it the full report and there are parts that public shouldn't see if they deal with sources and methods of the intelligence committee. probably a minimal amount of that, that has to have the approval of a judge that will probably be allowed. it pales in comparison to the american public seeing what the findings were on the president and his campaign and his team. that's the most important thing the last two years. basically as richard nixon so
well put it is the president a crook? and the public needs to know and there's nothing more important than to threat public know he is or isn't and let that are are port be seen to do anything less is to leave the president in purgatory. it's not good for the country and not good for the president. >> your committee authorized to get the full, unredacted report. do you anticipate having to use this power? >> i certainly do. i don't think bill barr will give us anything but a spurgated version, an r-version of the report and there's a lot that we want to see because he was hired by trump. trump wasn't going to hire
anybody that wasn't going to take care of him. for those people old enough to know dan yanky, he's joe hardy or tab hunter. he made a deal and i think it was put together by folk whose wanted to continue to see conservative judges and get mcconnell to changing the rules to get as many possible approved. they're going to try to change the entire perspective and voice of the judicial branch. i think that's why barr went in and nothing happened to trump and they can continue to pursue their judges. >> let me ask you. the justice department, they refuse to comply with their request, you're going to talk the issue to court? >> i think we'll have to. there's no question they're not going to comply. the justice department will not take it to court for contempt for barr's contempt. so we'll have have to bring a contempt citation or contempt
action in congress because the problem is the attorney general doesn't comply with the subpoena, congress's next step is to ask the justice department to enforce the subpoena and take it to court. you'll have a constitutional crisis and next step ask for a contempt citation and i suspect we have enough votes to do it. then we get in a real stand off. >> the attorney general is set to publicly testify on tuesday. it's good to talk about the budget. you think your colleagues are going to ask about the mueller report? >> i suspect somebody would. they'll have an opportunity to answerer some questions and i suspect somebody will take that opportunity. >> so president trump says even if every page of the report were made public, your party wouldn't be happy. watch this. >> i will tell you anything we
give them will never be enough. it's a 400-page report. we could give them 800 pages they'll always come back and say it's not enough. >> what do you say, congressman? >> them is the public as well as congress and congress is representatives of the public so he's basically saying to the public be dammed and we don't want to give you the full report. whatever we give you is not enough. all he needs to give us is the full report and couple three or four weeks ago before his victory tour, is the full report is something he wanted to have given. and democrats and republicans voted for it but narratives changed because they got a chance to put out their phoney four-page summary and say he was exonerated. and he claimed he was exonerated and not only exonerated but king of heaven in charge of all the
just as well as he won all those course championships in golf. the man's whole life is a lie and it's really sad we're even talking about him but we have to until we vote him out or other manners to have him removed. he does not belong in the white house. he's a stain on the american psyche. >> well, congressman, thank you and a lot to cover and we'll be reporting and look forward to give your perspective. >> the truth is sometimes tough to take. >> amen. joe biden. joking in the wake of the controversy over women saying he made them uncomfortable. did his joke land with voters or land him in hot water? voting for your favorite dancers on our show
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permission to hug lonny. i didn't want you to have to stand all alone. by the way he gave me permission to touch him. >> here's what he told reporters unprompted after the event. >> it wasn't my intent to make light of anyone's discomfort. i realize my responsibility to not invade the space of anyone who is uncomfortable in that regard. i hope it wasn't taken that way. >> let's discuss. simone sanders and amanda carpenter, the author of "gas letting america. why we love it when trump lies to us." look at this esteemed group of folks i have to discuss this with. this has been a talker all week, right? you can hear that joking got a laugh. >> first of all i'm giggling
because you came to me and you have these three women on the panel. >> the joke was about kids. there were kids there. >> one of the things that i will say is this has to be a nuanced discussion. joe biden doesn't belong in the same category as people who committed sexual assault or harassment. what we can say the acts of smelling women's hair and invading space has been weird over periods off time. that's first. the second thing is there are a lot of people now who have not had an issue with joe biden or him having this behavior but now that he's considering running for president of the united states, now they're raising their voices. if you've always had an issue, so be it. but if you're new to the ball game simply because he's running for president, that's a problem. and the over arcing theme is he's bad at this running for president thing. there's no reason for him to
make those jokes today. they were cringe worthy especially when you have this face to camera apology and look as though you learned nothing. he's never won a primary in a race for president and this is going on third time running. he doesn't do the whole presidential run thing well and his roll out pretty much sucked. >> you went on this -- the comments that he made there. so what did you think of the comments, amanda? >> it wasn't a real apology. >> i was talking about the joke? >> you don't joke about things you're sorry for. he's 70 plus years old. he is a guy who has no filter. it's part of the reason people love him. he physically can't undo that instinct that he has. a question about the timing,
which bucarry raises and other people raise. i didn't notice how close he got to women until he became vice president and i started seeing a lot more pictures. you started seeing the slide shows, him perform at these swearing-in ceremonies, getting close to women and children and saying inappropriate things. >> and men too. >> he just wants to get close to everyone and i observed this when i was reporting on when i was reporting on capitol hill. i would ask him a question and he would physically touch me on the shoulders. i thought it was odd but he's joe biden. >> of the jokes, they were not funny and inappropriate given the timing of them. this is a situation where he needs just avoid this topic altogether. he did well with his video apology saying that societal norms have changed and he needs to be more mindful and respectful, period.
mic drop, end of sentence, move on. >> i didn't think the joke was funny and i didn't think it was funny because for lots of little girls and women watching what they saw was someone coming forward saying someone made them feel uncomfortable and the response was the man or gentleman in the situation making light of it. i don't think joe biden truly meant any harm. i think it was an off-the-cuff careless remark, which is why he went to camera unprompted. i think this is something that won't keep him out of the race for president and voters are go having to make a decision about this disqualifies him or not. and he is having a real-time conversation with the american people and that's more than i can say for donald trump and these are two very different things. >> i thought it was funny. i don't see what the -- if he
had been accused of something that was sexual, totally different story. hold on. and not to say that if you invade someone's personal space, you have a right to feel how you feel. i live in new york. you can't go to whole foods without someone getting in your space. as a matter of fact we were in there the other day and everybody's trying to get around this woman and she says how dare you get into a woman's personal space like that and we're just trying to get to the cash register, lady. i understand that. but this whole issue is just so much -- it's just too much. like can we just stop it.
someone makes you uncomfortable, tell them in the moment. >> right. and i would like to say some people have told them and he said i'm hearing you and to some people it looks as though he went out the next day and made light of what people felt was so serious they wanted to come forward and tell the world. again i agree it is not the same thing as donald trump. i think we should be able to have a nuance conversation and talk about the spectrum. folks are talking about personal space where vice president biden is concerned. >> i also think -- ladies on the panel, you can yell at me if you want. i grew up with for a long time after my dad died a single mom. very strong women. i work with very strong women in this network. they run the network. they are not powerless. women are not powerless. they have the agency to tell someone in the moment how they feel and i think this whole discussion sometimes makes women seem they're powerless in the
moment not to be able to speak out against someone who makes them uncomfortable. >> don, do you -- i don't know if you know what it feels like the -- all -- to be the woman to say all right, all right, guys. can we not be a little sexist today. >> i don't. but you would say that, simone. you would say that. >> i was at lunch with a sitting united states senator. we walk out and someone reaches out and stops her. and says hey, aren't you a dartmouth girl. she's a sitting united states senator and she took it with grace. she said i did attend dartmouth. is there a question you had? and i said don't they know you're a sitting united states senator? and he said this happens every day. it's not like people aren't speaking up. >> i think the take away is women are not powerless. they can speak up, now.
now that we've gotten to this point where we feel we can speak up. we go back to the point. i do not think joe biden meant harm. i do not think he meant to make anyone uncomfortable. the take away is not how he intended to make someone feel. it's how it was received by that woman and by him making jokes about it, it took away from any good he did with the video apology. unfortunately we have to get to a point where you have to watch everything you say and way you approach people because we are in a new and different era. >> it's not just about what joe biden made the person he touched feel like. when i watched him put his arms around ash carter's wife during his announcement ceremony i thought it was weird. a number of other people thought it was weird. >> she said it wasn't. >> she said she wasn't.
but as a woman watching i had questions in real time. why is he touching her? why is he lingering over her like that? it wasn't appropriate touching for a professional setting. i don't think that's how a vice president should be touching someone in a public setting >> i want to ask you a question -- >> she said she was fine. you say you want to talk about how women feel and she said she was fine. >> i have to say someone close to me a strong woman said about this particular thing. said the #me too movement has swung the pendulum too far and this is not the same thing and people are categorizing this the same way. she said i've been a working woman for long time, an attractive woman. men have done these things to me and there's a certain way you handle and certain ways you don't.
there's a certain segment, i think a large segment that thinks people are way too sensitive now, especially if the intention and the intention is not sexual and if someone makes you uncomfortable, why does it take ten/twenty years -- i can understand if there's an accusation of sexual assault but just for someone to -- people make people uncomfortable all the time. >> it's because he's about to run for president. >> i'm not going to say that disqualifies them for being president or i need to take legal action because they're a close talker. >> the #me too movement has someone the pendulum in a completely different direction. one way is good and gives women the opportunity to speak up. but we can't take every single situation the same. there's a completely different situation between someone who makes someone uncomfortable and
someone who unapologetically objectifies women on a daily basis. we have to give women the power to speak up but realize not every single situation is the same and we need address them in a different light. >> i think it's the media and greater public that has a problem with nuance no one came out and said he engaged in sexual assault or harassment. they said he mated me feel uncomfortable. the vice president said okay. i hear you. and i will try my hardest not to do it again. nobody said this was #me too. but because we're not used to having conversations in public about the spectrum of harm, about what can make somebody uncomfortable, we jump to lumping many of us into one box. so if i think there's any les n
automatically jump to an extreme. the #me too movement hasn't swung too far, it's the media. amanda, you didn't get to weigh in so can i please let baqari speak. >> no, i actually think there's an appropriate time for most men to shut up and listen. so i'm enjoying listening to simone, alice and amanda. sometimes we need be quiet and listen as much as possible. so i will concede my time. >> joe biden is a decent guy. this can easily be fixed with a biden rule. don't hug somebody unless they hug you first. the are plenty of people who do want to hug joe biden. >> how much time do we have? break? yes? okay.
so let's talk about the president's response. so alice, the president was asked about this today. let's listen. >> what exactly is offensive about joe biden's behavior? >> i think i'm a very good messenger. he's going through a situation. let's see what happens but people got a kick. we got to show a smile a little bit, right? >> he's a very good messenger in this case, really? >> he is the person i voted for and i support his policies. i don't support this behavior. and when you're a person who has paid off a porn star, you are not in the right position to be condemning someone for inappropriate touching. you need to get in an absolutely other pool and never swim in the lane of condemning someone for this type of behavior. he is not the messenger on this, they shouldn't talk up this message.
he needs to focus on the border, immigration, anything but this topic right here. he's not someone who needs to weigh in on this. >> you saw that doctor video that president posted making fun of joe biden. today says he doesn't see biden as threat. you buy that? >> i think he's very much concerned about his prospect at reelection. trying to get attention and let something catch fire, go viral so people aren't talking about his policies and how jaime diamond had a letter that he sent to his entire company and share holders talking about how they got huge tax cuts thanks to the president's tax legislation. he doesn't want to talk about how there is a manufactured trump crisis at the border and
how he's walked back many things. just this week he's going to close the border down. now he's going to wait for mexico. he's just a mess. i think any one of the democratic candidates who have got in the race, folks yet to announce like vice president biden, would be a better pick for president than donald trump. >> can i ask you a question? >> i don't have a lot of time but go on. >> i have a question of why democrats are the only party having a conversation about ethics and what being a role model and example looks like. the fact the republicans can turn a blind eye and separate policy, quote on quote, from who the man is, is troubling because it erodes the moral fiber of our country. when you look at somebody like donald trump, what does he do? pop a tick tack in the mouth and grab them by the you know what or have credible cases of sexual
harassment. and have the heavy dose of psychopathy to think he can discuss this with any credibly and republicans just say that's who he is. no worries. that's a problem and the republican party, they used to have this cornered where you thought they were the straight-laced ethical party. straight-laced ethical party. we will be right back. that's something to groove about. ♪let's groove tonight. toujeo® is used to control high blood sugar in adults with diabetes. it contains 3 times as much insulin in 1 milliliter as standard insulin. don't use toujeo® to treat diabetic ketoacidosis, during episodes of low blood sugar, or if you're allergic to insulin. get medical help right away if you have a serious allergic reaction such as body rash, or trouble breathing. don't reuse needles, or share insulin pens. the most common side effect is low blood sugar, which can be life-threatening. it may cause shaking, sweating, fast heartbeat, and blurred vision.
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all three are still in office. >> reporter: the trees and flowers scream spring in richmond, virginia, while the seasons z changed, some things are very much the same. two months after scandal engulfed the top three officials in the commonwealth, all three remain in office. er >> i feel like this is a story we've seen a bunch of times. they do something bad and we talk about it a little bit and they get off scott free. >> reporter: fairfax faces allegations he denies of sexual assault. and there are still no official investigations or hearings set. governor ralph northam and herring who both found themselves embroiled in black face controversy has moved forward like business as usual. >> it was so egregious and
atrocious yesterday and tomorrow there's a new atrocity. >> reporter: abuzz with energy, the legislature was back in session and demonstrators filled the capitol lawn but they were not here to protest any of these scandals. republicans are trying to revive those scandals, talking about fairfax and questions around northam. >> we still have questions related to his promises. >> it is definitely not me. >> reporter: it was early feb whaer northam, a democrat admitted and then denied being in a photo from his medical school year book which shows one person in black face and another in a ku klux klan outfit. a chorus called on him to step down. >> if i were to listen on the voices calling on me to resign my office today, i could sparer myself from the difficult path
that lies ahead. >> reporter: northam promisesed to make amends and has continued on with business as usual. fairfax still faces accusations of sexual assault from two women. vanessa tyson and meredith watson. >> i honestly didn't know what was going on and the next thing i know my head is literally in his crotch and choking and gagging. andheim choking and gagging. >> 'forcibly sexually assaulted and raped me. >> reporter: fairfax has called on officials to investigate the allegations, meantime democratic attorney general mark herring admitted and apologized for using black face in his past, saying "i had a callous and inexcusable lack of awareness," a poll showed virginia was split. he had more support from african-americans with 58% saying he should not step down while 37% thought he should.
we stopped by richmond's monroe park to see how people felt now. >> pc answer would be yes, they should vacate office. but in our current climate i would have to say no. >> reporter: because the president has set the bar -- >> he's set the bar. you can do what you want and there are no repercussions. >> the real problem is the environment that encouraged that kind of thing in the first place. and that's what has to change. >> reporter: and we talked to a number of people off camera as well and one person told me as a black man he experiences racism all the time. and he simply was not surprised by the black face controversies. don? >> jessica, thank you so much. we'll be right back.
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