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virginia with the all-time turnaround title. >> announcer: this is if the new day" with allison cisyn camerot john berman. >> this is "new day." tuesday, april 9th, 6:0 0 in ne york. virginia did not lose. >> is that the headline? >> everyone thought because that's what they do when they get to the tournament. they didn't. they ended up getting all the way to the finals and winning in overtime. congratulations to the cavaliers. no one thought you could do it, including me. all right. this morning, near unprecedented upheaval in the trump administration, specifically the department of homeland security, and any agency that handles immigration. you can see the gravity and chaos of the situation by the quotes coming from inside the administration itself and the president's own party. one senior white house official calls it a near systematic
purge. another official tells jake tapper the president just wants to separate families. he ordered the closure of the border at el paso and even personally told border agents to ignore the law. a day after forcing kirstjen nielsen to resign, more officials are almost certainly on the way out as soon as today. white house adviser and anti-immigration hawk stephen miller seems to be consolidating power, making senior republicans none too happy. in an extraordinary statement to the "the new york times," chuck grassly said they haven't accomplished very much, so they need some way to make themselves look important. in hours, william barr will be in the hot seat on capitol hill. house democrats are expected to grill barr over the mueller report. he'll be asked about his four-page summary of the mueller report, which some on that team
say don't summarize their findings. let's go to joe johns at the white house. >> reporter: we have a lot going on at the white house. what appears to be a wave of people exiting the homeland security department as the president essentially moves in a different direction. in an administration where we've come to expect this kind of upheaval, what seems to be most remarkable is the back story. the reporting from my colleagues here at cnn that the president may have been giving his subordinates orders to violate or disobey the law. one official calls it a near systematic purge at the department of homeland security. secret service director randolph alice ousted by president trump a day after he forced homeland security secretary kirstjen nielsen to resign. the official tells cnn two other top officials are likely headed out saoon. the moves angering the most senior republican in the senate. chuck grassley expressing his
cob certains to the "washington post." the president has to have stability. he's pulling the rug out from the very people that are trying to help him. stev stephen miller influenced some of the changes. >> steven miller asked him to appoint him as the secretary of dhs. let him explain to the american people why he wants to rip babies out of their mothers' arms. own it. >> reporter: the change is a clear sign the president intends to intensify his anti-immigrant policies. cnn has learned that the white house now wants to force migrants at the border into a binary choice, stay together in detention or be separated from their kids. the zero tolerance policy that resulted in mass separations last year was roundly criticized, but cnn has learned in recent months president trump has been pushing to resume and expand the policy, even for legal asylum seekers, believing it deters migrants. a senior official adding, he just wants to separate families.
adding, the president refuses to understand that the department of homeland security is constrained by the laws. in a meeting with top officials two weeks ago, a source present at the meeting tells cnn the president was, quote, ranting and raving and ordered top aides to close the port of el paso, texas. secretary neielsen saying it'd e too dangerous. those in the room saying the president said, i don't care. a judge in california moved to block the trump policy of returning some asylum seekers to mexico. the president, of course, has objected to that. the president is expected today to meet with the president of egypt, which on any other day might be the big headline. however, a lot of eyes at the white house will be on the hearing on capitol hill where the attorney general is testifying. >> joe, thank you very much for all of that. joining us is politicala a l
analy analyst sunmin kim, who interviewed chuck grassley. he expressed concerns about the purge. what'd he say? >> exactly. it comes from the fact that some of the people on the target list for the dhs purge actually worked for him. director of cessna had been detailed to the senate judiciary committee when glassley was the chairman. there have been other names floated as potential targets that had worked for grassley for a very long time. he knows the people very well. he knows their abilities and what they're able to do at the agency. he was very concerned that these people could be on their way out. he said, these are the people -- he told me, the point he was trying to make to the administration, to the president, is that these are the exact people who are trying to accomplish your immigration agenda. they are in position to do that. there is no reason to eliminate
them just because some other policies aren't working. these are the people who you need in place. you can't pull the rug out from under them. >> it also seemed to concern him that he tried to communicate with chief of staff mick mulvaney about this, who didn't seem familiar with these folks. i also want to say, about stephen miller, he expressed criticism of this top white house aide. let me read what you write in your piece. what grassley told you is, quote, i think it would be hard for him to demonstrate he has accomplished anything for the president. when asked to elaborate, the senate chuckled and added, quote, it is hard to elaborate on it when there hasn't been any accomplishments. he couldn't put a finer point on how he feels about miller. >> grassley is a blunt person, telling you what he thinks. obviously, a lot comes from the reporting by cnn, the "washington post," and others, about miller's influence and the
departures late last week. obviously, had a role in the abrupt pull nomination of vitiello at immigrations, customs, and enforcements. he's one of the force in the administration pushing for a tougher direction. once word got out that he may be eyeing direct or for potential departure, it was a step over the line, according to grassley. i asked him three versions of the question, and you see two of them there. he was clear it was the point he wanted to convey. >> over the last 24 hours, reporting is clear stephen miller worked to undermine secretary nielsen, and stephen miller won. he is on the assent, as is his world view. >> at a recent oval office meeting, the president pointed to stephen miller and said he is now the point person in charge
of immigration initiatives. presumably, that means the nominations and personnel at the agencies overlooking the policies. what you're seeing right now from the president, from the rest of the administration, is a real frustration, kind of throwing everything at the wall and seeing what stricks in terms of containing the crisis at the border. what you're seeing internally from nielsen and others is that they're trying to make the case that they are constrained, that the administration is constra constrained by laws. obviously, it is unclear that the president is getting that message. >> thank you very much for sharing your great reporting with us this morning. john? in a few hours, attorney general william barr will face lawmakers on capitol hill. this is a huge moment for him in congress. the first time he'll place questions at all since the mueller report was completed and first time since members of the mueller team said barr's summary didn't adequately conclude their findings and it was worse for
the president than barr led on. democrats have had this date circled on their calendar. >> that's right, john. this is a big moment today. the attorney general is actually on the hill to testify about something entirely different. the president of justice's budget. this comes right in the middle of the intense battle between the attorney general and capitol hill over access to the mueller report. this just gives democrats a huge opportunity today that they've already signalled that they are going to run with to ratchet up the pressure, to get the full report and the underlying evidence. >> reporter: with the mueller report still private, the attorney general goes before the public. in just hour, william barr begins two days of testify before appropriations subcommittees in the house and senate. today's hearing is democrats' first chance to grill barr since his four-page memo about mueller's nearly 400-page report. >> we're going to know a lot more about mr. barr's thinking process and why he did what he did and why he didn't do more.
i hope that he takes a very sparing approach to his redactions because he knows that everybody is going to want to know what's behind the black ink. >> reporter: house appropriations chairwoman planning to call barr a's handlg of mueller's report unacceptable, saying it seems to cherry-pick for the president. chairman serrano planning to say many investigators felt, quote, it shows malfeasance by the president and his advisers. barr said mueller could not make a final determination about obstruction of justice. >> there is no good reason not to make the report public. >> there is an eesz asy answer this. release the mueller report as soon as possible. >> reporter: since mueller ended his nearly two year long
investigation last month, democrats have been pushing to get the full report. the justice department says barr will release a redacted version by mid-april. barr has promised to be as transparent as he can. >> when his report comes to you, will you share it with us as much as possible? >> consistent with regulations and the law, yes. >> reporter: the attorney general will also face the house judiciary committee may 2nd. but for chairman jerry nadler, hearing from barr is not enough. he wants to talk to mueller. >> we'll probably want to call mueller to discuss it. reading the report and the underlying evidence will give us more information as to what questions we should ask mueller or the other people who work with him. >> chairman nadler has not spoken to barr since the committee voted to authorize a subpoena last week for the full report and, of course, the underlying evidence. there has, of course, not issued the subpoena yet, but he says he'll do it soon, unless barr provides what they've demanded. >> all right.
sunlen, thank you. want to bring in david gregory. the miracle of timing. this is an appropriations hearing, the ones that are supposed to be boring. this won't be boring. the first time, five days ago, everyone started reporting mueller's team is upset because they think barr is not adequately portraying the findings in their summary. >> right. you have the specter of the attorney general inserting himself into the conclusion of this two-year investigation. on what basis? i mean, that's what i want to know. that is what is so fascinating. to figure out why on the big question, aside from what mueller concluded, that there was no conspiracy, which is very important, that there was interference by the russians but there was no nexus with the trump campaign, that was a huge question that mueller answered, according to barr. on this next question of, did the president seek to interfere in this investigation, why, first of all, did mueller stop short of making a conclusion,
and then why is it that barr felt, without any investigation on his part whatsoever, he could come in at the 11th hour and draw that conclusion and say there was no obstruction, after he'd written a memo before he got this job, saying the president could never be charged with obstruction of justice because all those decisions would be within his executive power. there's a lot you want to ask him, just starting there. >> very specific questions, too. number one, did robert mueller ask you to come to a prosecutorial conclusion in your summary, yes or no? it is a simple question i imagine barr will answer. yes or no. or how much is robert mueller helping you now with the redactions in this report, which by the way, you will release in the next couple days? >> mueller, we know in his court filings, has redacted a lot of material up to now. you can imagine getting a redacted report based on, whether it is grand jury testimony, ongoing
investigations, peripheral investigations, intelligence investigations, and wite know h careful the intelligence community is, because they could sue and it could go to the courts, how much of the information they can get. here is the rub in all of this. there is a compelling interest by the public, number one. two, by congress, which has part of its own job description to find out whether there was obstruction of justice, an abuse of power by the president. they're the ones who have to make this determination. it wasn't just barr though, right? we know rod rosenstein, who was overseeing the investigation, according to barr, agreed with him, that there shouldn't be obstruction. certainly, you'd want to know more about that and how they reached that conclusion. but this tension between the idea that, well, nobody was charged, so we shouldn't see this information, congress still has a unique role to play here. >> absolutely. the questions will be expansive
today. i'm very curious how far barr goes in his actions. david gregory, stick around. >> sure. at this hour, israelis are heading to the polls to elect a new government. prime minister benjamin netanyahu facing the toughest challenge of his political career while trying to fend off multiple corruption probes. oren lieberman is live there with more. >> reporter: we're hundreds of polling places. there are political parties trying to rally voters in the final hours of this campaign. one of the ultra orthodox parties are over my shoulder. there are signs for netanyahu's likud party. both netanyahu and his rival, former chief of staff benny gantz, mounted a furious end to the campaign. polls friday show this to be a close race between netanyahu and gantz. they're working to get out the last votes to the last seconds.
netanyahu made an appearance yesterday, saying he is behind. the polls show this close, but he wants to play the underdog card. it worked very well in 2015. it was a good get out the vote for him, surging into the lead. seems what he is trying again, as well as social media to get out of his vote. he knows what he is up against. a party that has been polling ahead most of the race, including into the election weekend and on this election day, this tuesday here. what happens from now? well, we're about halfway through the voting day, a little less perhaps. in eight and a half hours, the polls will close. there has been a steady trickle behind hennd me. the committee says numbers are 2% down, but there's time to make it up. 1 10:00 p.m. local, the polls close, then exit results come in. >> oren lieberman, it'll be a long day and long night for you. thank you for being with us this morning. yes, virginia, there a national champion. the university of virginia celebrating its first ever
national basketball title. andy scholes has more on the overtime thriller live from minneapolis. some of us thought it'd never happen for virginia. >> reporter: john, this was one of the best championship games we've ever seen. it was emotional swing after emotional swing. in the end, virginia getting redemption. remember, they were the joke of the tournament last year after becoming the first team ever to lose to a 16 seed. well, that loss now a distant memory. this game against texas tech, an absolute nail biter. under 45 seconds to go, virginia was up by one. culliv culver getting the layup. red raiders were up by three with 15 seconds left. the cavaliers star, hunter, knocking down a clutch three to tie the game. for the eighth time in championship game history, we'd go to overtime. in the extra period, hunter again hitting a big three, as virginia takes the lead. they never give it back. hunter scoring a career high 27
points in the game. cavaliers win this one, 85-77. incredible turnaround for the school. kyle guy naped the to named the most outstanding player. i caught up with him after they cut down the nets. what is this feeling, going from the joke of the tournament to champions? >> yeah. you know, to fight through the humiliati humiliation, that embarrassment, for the ultimate redemption story, it feels great. i'm so competed for this team, for my family, and for charlottesville, the university of virginia. >> we lost in the first round last year to a 16 seed, but we just won the national championship. i mean, i don't feel like there's much people can say now. >> we've been in their shoes, the way they're feeling, different types of ways. to be the first to do something in history on the bad side, to come back and do it on the good side of history means everything. >> reporter: the students in charlottesville flooding the streets last night after the game to celebrate. virginia, champions for the
first time in their history. i'll tell you what, guys, the way this team didn't run from what happened last year, they continued to talk about it. talk about the embarrassment, say how it brought them closer together. they used it as motivation. well, it certainly worked, as now they are champions. you know, don't want to talk about this game and not, you know, send our thoughts out to texas tech. those kids, they played their hearts out last night. it was just one incredible championship game. >> the game went on and on. it would not end. andy, you were right, i was really interested to see how much that loss from last year was still in their minds, even after they won. in their interviews with you, it was really interesting. >> reporter: yeah, they never stopped talking about it, which i found ifs nafascinating. a lot of times team say, oh, that was last year. we don't want to talk about it anymore. not this virginia team. props to them for using it as motivation. >> they are winners. >> i will say, i think part of why it was in their mind and
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this morning, upheaval in the trump administration, a systematic purge of officials in homeland security with the president pushing for the people who work for him to bend, if not break, the law. telling border agents to ignore judges. one senior administration official tells jake tapper he just wants to separate families. let's bring back our correspondent for "bloomberg" news. margaret, number one, heads are rolling in homeland security with more to come, but for interesting, the leaks coming from inside about what the president has been pushing for. jake tapper with remarkable reporting, he told border agents to ignore judges. people inside the administration say the president just wants to separate families, going back to the sol ppolicy which creating bipartisan controversy last year. >> john, that's right. when you have leaks like these, they come from two categories.
they might seem at odds. one category are those inside who are concerned about this and want people to know what's going on so they can try to stop it through congress or public republic opinion. the other are the group inside the president's circle who want this message out, want people to understand what he is trying to do, and trying to message to the base that the president is going to stop at nothing unless the courts force him to, to fulfill his campaign promises. i think you're seeing a little bit of both right now. >> david, one of the most bizarre things about hearing the president wants to bring back family separations is he, from the reporting, thinks it works. that's not what the numbers suggest. the evidence, the actual hard numbers, the real numbers, facts, suggested it did not work, to cut down on any kind of border crossings or to act as a deterrent. i'll throw them up so everybody can see them. here it is. they started in october 2017 quietly, secretly, separating families. they didn't announce it until
april of 2018. you can see the numbers fluctuate up and down. when they started it quietly, the two months after that, the numbers went up after that, and from that point on, they went up and down, up and down. so whatever he thinks, i mean, if this is something beyond punitive, and maybe it is just punitive, because stephen miller doesn't like immigrants, but the numbers don't suggest this is a deterrent. >> well, there is a recklessness about their desire to deal with a real problem. you know? there is no discipline. there is an impulsivity to the president and to stephen miller and others who say, well, we have this promise. we have to crack down on the borders. we've got to stop asylum seekers from flooding the border. the numbers are up. those family members who were coming with children, it is up. it is appalling because of the conditions they're exposing themselves to. you're right, the original proposition was, oh, yeah, if we separate families, they won't keep coming. imagine the desperation, imagine
the circumstances that would compel families to think, it is still worth it. we have to try to get to america. that's the problem here that goes beyond a president's desire to look tough against immigrants, to appear as a nationalist before his political base. it is, try to figure out a way to solve the problem. again, the opportunity to do that with congress in a thoughtful way is still available. instead, i mean, we spend all this time talking about the mueller administration. how about the president telling his advisers and firing people who say, mr. president, we have to follow the law, whether you want it or not. that's what we have to do on the border. >> that is one of the most astounding things to try to imagine. you were talking about imagining what the families are going through, david. absolutely. imagine being a border agent in california last week and being told by the president of the united states, ignore the judges. ignore the jungdges. ignore the law. the president telling someone who works in the government to ignore the law.
their supervisors, according to jake, had to go in after and say, no, no, no, no, no. don't listen to the president here. you follow the law. >> yeah. the president and his advisers are really stretching the legal boundaries of what is possible in order to contain these numbers. you just see that frustration boiling over in the policies they're considering, clearly, with the president's reported directive to the border agents. also, we're reporting the administration is again, in terms of reconsidering the family separation policy, what the administration is calling a binary choice. either choose to stay detained with your children longer or be separated from them. i mean, that seems to be an impossible choice for the migrant families. if that is instituted, i'd expect legal challenges, as well. that's what we're seeing a lot with the purge of dhs officials that began late last week. there has been boiling frustration from the president, particularly since we saw the march numbers, how they topped 100,000 at the border in march.
kind of the administration's advisers are grappling for what to do here. >> one of the very interesting things, margaret, and this coming from her reporting, is republicans are starting to speak out against the president's plans. senator cornyn is speaking out, senator grass lley. i'll read a snipet about how he feels about the gang. steven mi stephen miller. they haven't accomplished a lot, so they have to make themselves look important. this is notable, i think, margaret. you know, the fissures in the republican leadership, we don't si see that often. >> that's right. the president's pushing of the limit is a constant stress test on his own party in congress. this is a good example of that. if you're looking at the people who have either already been pushed out or who all our reporting suggests is on the
chopping block next, it is half a dozen or more officials who have a few things in common. they worked for president bush. maybe they stayed through the obama years. or they were brought in orel t or elevated by john kelly or kearsen nielsen. miller has a mistrust of the people and wants to clean house. one of the many problems is many worked with or more republicans in congress, including grassley, who both the citizenship services director and one of his top deputies worked for for quite some time. so the president is testing both the courts and the willingness of leaders within his own party to draw the limits on this. >> let's remember, too, that if the president wants to be serious about this, he should seek out partners in congress who can solve the problem. we should be covering ways in which we can solve the problem that is a real problem on the
border. this is not the mark of a serious person. anybody can get on the corner and rant and rave about what they don't like about immigration policy. saying out loud, you know, you can't come in, we're full. with the ugly history this country has during world war ii and before, keeping out immigrants, jewish immigrants who were seeking asylum. the whole asylum system grew out of the experience of the holocau holocaust. to tell people not to follow the law, to go on for months and say, we should build a wall, instead of dealing with the delicate situation. he's not approaching this seriously. that's where people in his own party and the court reporters ne courts really need to challenge. >> thank you very much. actress felicity huffman pleads guilty in the college admissions scandal. how many time could she face behind bars? we have a live report next. ent . -welcome to our complete freedom plan. -it's all possible with a cfp professional.
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remorse in court, as she faces prison time. brynn gingras joins us with more on this. this is the beginning probably. >> this is the beginning. it was quite the statement that felicity huffman released. she has guilt, regret, and shame over her involvement in the college admissions scheme. the actress is one of 13 parents who will plead guilty to one federal count of conspiracy to commit mail fraud. huffman was accused of paying $15,000 to the scheme mastermind, william singer, to alter her oldest daughter's test scores. she and her husband, actor william h. macy, considered doing the same for their younger daughter, but decided against it. of course, macy wasn't charged in this case. in huffman's statement, she said, quote, i'm ashamed of the pain i've caused my daughter, family, friends, colleagues, and the educational community. i want to apologize to them and especially i want to apologize to the students who work hard every day to get into college, and to their parents who make tremendous sacrifices to support
their children and do so honestly. she goes on to say in that statement that her daughter knew nothing about her actions. sources are telling cnn the government plans on asking between six months and nearly two years in prison as punishment for the parents involved. paperwork shows they will recommend the low end of punishment for huffman in exchange for her plea, and she'd have a fine of $20,000. ultimately, it will be up to a judge. one final note, usc will take into account parents' plea agreements when considering the future of students connected to the scheme. remember, actress lori loughlin's daughters attend usc, though loughlin and her husband were not a part of this group of parents to take a deal. >> yes, that'll be interesting to see what they do. felicity huffman was on the lower scale of how much money she gave and how involved she was in this. >> time is ticking. the prosecution says they will add more charges. we'll see by very soon what court each person is going to
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attorney general william barr will appear before congress for the first time since he got robert mueller's report, and they have a lot of questions for him. joining us now is cnn's senior political analyst john avalon. john, it's been more than two weeks since he gave congress that four-page summary. they seem to be growing impatient, though he has promised he'll give them more by, i think, the end of this week or next. so what are we expecting today when he appears? >> rarely has an appropriations hearing gotten this much attention and scrutiny. >> this is the sexiest appropriations hearing ever. >> ever. that's saying something. look, this is going to be fireworks whether barr wants it or not. you already see democratic congressmen on the they're saying we'll be coming at you hard, whether or not your summary was an accurate
representation, whether or not you were bias in your conclusions about the president. mid-april is when you'll get the report, barr said, wait until then. irresistible force, meet immovable object. >> i think it'll be in between. he has to give something. he won't be able to stonewall for two days in front of two committees on this, though they could see the report in a couple days. the more specific the question, the more likely the answer. >> i think that's right. look, barr is a highly respected lawyer. he is not going to simply stonewall for the president unless he has a good reason rooted in precedent. to your point, tomorrow, he goes to the senate. you have two days of inquiries with barr that will draw scrutiny. that mid-april mark is next monday. again, he did not say a specific day, but he and the justice department have been working on redacting. there are a lot of open questions that will be attracting a lot of attention. >> if there is one bit of bipartisan agreement, it seems, as of yesterday, that both
parties want to hear from mueller. congressman collins asked this of nadler on judiciary, and nadler said, i agree. they're going to call mueller. >> bipartisanship breaking out all over. how about that, people? >> bob mueller created bipartisanship. >> who thought it'd happen? that's the good news. remember, this is one of the first times congress will ask barr about the report, that there is disagreement in the doj between mueller's account and the bottom line assessment of the report. there is new news coming out that barr never had to answer questions about publicly. we could find answers. >> that's where i think some of the most interesting questions are that are most likely to be answered. number one, did mueller ask you to provide your conclusions about obstruction? is mueller helping you with the redactions now? how much? what did you do with the summaries that mueller's own people provided you in the report? >> can we expect to see those summaries? those are all really key questions because, of course,
the key question on the issue of obstruction, which is what led to bill clinton's impeachment, the thread against richard nixon, barr assumed responsibility to answer that question. what the open question is, did mueller say it is up to congress and the american people to decide, or i can't make up my mind, help me ag barr. >> it'll be fascinating. there is the open question about whether or not we'll ever see the written questions the president submitted to mueller. there's so many things that congress and the american people want to see. >> this is fascinating. >> there are immigration questions that could come today, as well, about the law. for instance, is it against the law to order a border agent to lie to a judge. >> yes, it is. can i answer that now? do we need bill barr? >> the president asking people to lie and break the law is frowned upon? i mean, yes. look, this is one of the fascinate things. in this purge that's going on, remember, a lot is in
conjunction with doj. questions barr resisted the president's desire to sign on to a law that would obliterate obama, will he get questions about that? change of department of justice procedures. he's at the nexus of crucial questions that are ripped from the headlines and go to the heart about questions of rule of law in our country. >> sexiest appropriations committee ever. parental guidance. there is a new candidate in the race for president. who is getting in, and how does it shake up the 2020 field? >> is it that guy? >> it's that guy. here's a hint, it's that guy. >> sometimes our teases i feel give it away. >> exactly. they're the ones who see a city that make those who live in it feel a little safer. who see the efficient shape and design of the ocean's wonders as the future of aerodynamics. at dell technologies, we see it too. if you'd like to transform your business, talk to us.
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none of that is going to change, until we have a leader willing to go big on the issues, bold in the solutions we offer, and do good in the way we govern. i'm ready to solve these problems. i'm running for president of the united states. >> that's democratic congressman eric swalwell, and he is running for president. he jumped in the 2020 race overnight. where does he fit in this very large and growing field? one man has the answer. there's something about harry, who joins us with the forecast. >> maybe i do. >> way to sell it.
>> i feel i'm johnny and lost my cue card. everybody is coming down. nowhere to go but up, which is a good sign. the other thing, to make a historical comparison, we defined what a major democrat is running in certain states, making the visits, polling. he is the 16th major democrat in the race for president. that ties the modern democratic record, dating back to 1876. we'll get past that with joe biden and other candidates. this is a crowded field. maybe one of you might declare. >> not going to happen. wasn't born in america. i will say, the republican field last time was 17. we've seen this recently. it can happen. it can work. >> it can work. i'm not sure this is necessarily the guy to do it, given where he is polling now. >> it is early days. >> it is early, yes. one candidate we don't think right now is all that high up in the polls, we don't think has a good shot, may have a breakout debate moment and may break out
in the field and do particularly well. we'll see. >> exactly 300 days until the iowa caucus. we need to get ready. >> we need to get ready right now. >> the 18 we're counting, including swalwell, does not include joe biden. >> again, plenty of people to get in. also mckaauliffe might get in, well. >> tell me about joe biden. >> interesting. we had the allegations last week. in polls, he is leading about 30% in the harry's average nationally. i have to ask this question, does the media, do we understand the democratic electorate better than joe biden, or does biden understand the electorate better than many? >> what is the answer? >> to me, i think joe biden has a good understanding. if you look at the polls, he is betting on older voters. people have this idea that the democratic party is these millenials. in fact, they're only 31% of the party, at least according to the percentage in 2018 democratic voters.
those over the age of 50, aarp crowd, are at 53% of the democratic electorate. the gen-xers, 16%. older voters outnumber younger voters. >> that's such a fascinating point. so he might be -- i mean, i agree, the narrative is all about what's new, what's fresh, the fresh face. millenials are going to be running this. but he might be representative. >> older voters vote. people like my mother, not that she is that old, except she is over 50. >> just keep going. >> let's talk about liberals. >> i don't want to get in trouble with my mother. look at this, joe biden is betting against liberal democrats, saying the party hasn't moved. i think it has. but conservative democrats made up 54% of democratic voters according to the exit polls. liberals made up 46%. in the most recent poll, liberal voters, only 19% of all
self-identified democrats. again, the very far left, the far left of the party is only a sliver compared to the moderate conservativ conservative, which is more than two times as high. >> working class? >> yeah. again, i think there's been all this discussion about how the democrats are becoming much more educated, and it is true. this is a higher p eer percentan the beginning of the decade. even among whites, those without a college degree are higher than whites with a college degree. combined, look, those without a college degree make up the vast majority of democratic voters. if you're building a democratic coalition, you'd rather go after older, moderate, and working class voters than the quote, unquote, millenials with a college degree. >> he has a path. who won the ncaa tournament? >> great news, everybody. not duke. it's not duke. duke lost again. a team not duke. it is now four years in a row in which a not duke team has won. >> why are you showering hate on
duke? >> duke is, to me, the incarnation of everything that's wrong in america. i don't know why. i can't stand duke. mike k., bye. >> i hope you have kids one day that want to go to duke. >> by definition, it'll happen. >> harry, thank you. ahead, we will speak live with a democratic candidate, andrew yang. he tells us he's qualified for the debate. he wants to give every american $1,000 a month. we'll discuss what that will mean. kearse n gillibrand's town hall is tonight at 10:00. tomorrow, jay inslee. we have new reporting on the president's efforts to bring back his highly controversial policy of separating families at the border. ok everyone!
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president trump is shaking up the department of homeland security. more departures expected soon. >> it indicates turmoil at an ajgency that needs to be runnin at full speed. >> you see cabinet secretaries come and go in any administration. >> a pivotal moment for the attorney general. the first time he will be in front of congress since the mueller report. >> just going to try to avoid anything that goes beyond what he put in his letter. >> you need to understand why he chose that four-page summary. in hours, prime minister benjamin netanyahu will learn whether he's secured a fifth term in office. >> netanyahu is playing the underdog, trying to energize his