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woman of their word? >> well, let me just comment -- >> yes or no? >> i'd like the answer the question. >> it's a yes or no question. >> what i've read in the it pres is he would release his reitturns when he's not under audits. but i'm not privy to it the specifics of that. >> you ain't seen nothing yet. mnuchin got in a verbal sparing match with maxine waters, who you may recall is not exactly a favorite of this president. >> i've sat here for over three hour and 15 minutes. i've told you i'll come back. i just don't believe year sitting here negotiating when i'll come back. how long would you like me to come back for next time? i've told you i'll accommodate you. >> i apprec that and appreciate you reminding us how long we're
here. it's a new day, and a new chair and i have the gavel at this point. if you wish to leave, you may. >> when it the republicans -- they did not treat the secretary of the treasury this way. so if this is it the way you want to treat me, then i'll rethink whether i voluntarily come back there testify, which i've offered to do. >> mr. secretary, i want you to know that no other secretary has ever told us the day before that they were going to limit their time in the way that you're doing. so if you want to use them as examples, you have acted differently than they have acted and as i have said, if you wish to leave, you may. >> if you'd wish to keep me here so that i don't have my important meeting and continue to grill me, then we can do that. i wilg cancel my meeting and i will not be back here.
i'll be clear if that's the way you'd like the have this relationship. >> thank you. the gentleman has agreed to stay. please cancel your meeting and respect our time. >> my foroen meeting. you're instructing me to stay here. >> no, you just made me an offer. you made me an offer i accepted. >> let's be clear. you're ordering me to stay here. >> no, i'm not ordering you. i said you may leave anytime you want and you said okay. if that's what you want to do, i'll cancel my appoint oment and i'll stay here. so i'm responding to your request. >> that's not what i want to do. >> what would you like the do? >> i thought it was respectful you would let me leave at 5:15. >> you can go anytime you want. >> please dismiss everybody. >> please do not instruct me on
how i'm to can conduct this can committee. >> he wasn't ready. that may not be the last time we see fireworks on capitol hill, especially with the mueller report due within the week. i want to bring in democratic congressman mike quickly. got hammered for his handling oenough mueller report so far. do you think he understands or cares about the criticism he's getting? >> absolutely not. i think he applied for the job by writing a mem obeysically outlining how the theory of law that would allow him to believe there was obstruction was unfounded in this case. so he was hired to exonerate the president, no matter what the it report said as it relates to
obstruction. and he was hired to keep as much of this report hidden from the american public and as much as he possibly can hidden from congress. so he's doing his job. nobody can -- in congress can fire him. so i don't expect him to change his path. >> adam schiff told cnn that barr was acting like the president roy cone, that he was betraying his pledge to be transparent. you agree with that? >> absolutely. but i don't think that's his purpose. i don't think that's what he has in mind. i think there's other parallels to people in previous administrations. they all have their moments in history. this one i think infamously, unfortunately it's going to be very difficult for us to get the full report and underlying information, which is critical. >> more about congressman schiff now.
he says he requested counterintelligence information gathered by the special counsel. it may or may not be part of the mueller report. it's important to learn whether he's compromised. should they go to court if they have to? >> absolutely. this began as a counterintelligence investigation, questioning whether the president of the united states was compromised. i think there's a lot of evidence he was. i think the seconds part of getting all the information was to found a out where all the gaps are, such as money laundering. a lot of deutsche bank money laundering. we also know they were the only bank willing to finance trump operation for a decade up until he became poz of the united states. there's a lot of information that may not have been relevant to the decision as to who to bring to just thoos special
counsel. but it can be particularly valuable to the house and senate investigators dedetermining whether the president is compromised. >> barr refused to answer whether the white house has seen the mueller report. when asked by represent crisp if anyone other than the doj reviewed the summary letter, he at first said he didn't recall and then clarified. >> i checked with my staff and told just before the letters were out o, after they were finalized and before they go out, we did advise the white house counsel's office that the letters were being sent. but they were not allowed or even asked to make any changes to the letters. we notified them before we issued them. >> mr. crisp, i'm sure would have asked you. did they get to see the letter? >> they did not get to see the letter. >> does that raise concerns to
you of coordination with the white house? >> i've seen coordination with the white house since this investigation began. my concern is power corrupts absolutely. i don't think my republican colleagues in congress appreciate that. they've worked hand in glove as special counsel to the president, protecting him politically and legally. president has surrounded himself with people who don't understand the importance of the independence of the justice department or for that matter the independence of the integrity of the intelligence community. the far ranging damage this president has done to the reputation and independence of both of those entities is extraordinary and extraordinarily damaging. >> listen, it was a really unexpected answer he gave when asked why he didn't include any of the sumries already prepared. basically he didn't want to give too much or too little information. does that seem like a credible answer to you? >> no.
he should rethrelease the full report to congress. my committee of intelligence gets the most sensitive, classified information on ang ongoing basis. information and frankly we need do it to complete our part of the investigation. so look, mr. barr's out to the protect the president. >> and mr. barr said he tried to include as much of mueller's words as he could but they didn't include a single full sentence from had it report. >> all hes to the do is release the report. he has a hard time saying the president's been exonerated and not releasing a single sentence from had it report. i believe he's following orders. i don't know when these were given to him, but it's clear the job wasn't to act as it the independent attorney general. >> thank you for your time. >> anytime. thank you.
now let's turn to more on the attorney general's time today, dodging a whole lot of questions about the mueller report. thank you so much. an eventful day again. i want to break down the big question. but first barr would not say whether he spoke to the white house about mueller's report. >> did the white house see the report before you released your summarizing letter? has the white house seen it since then? have they been briefed on the contents beyond what was in your summarizing letter to the judiciary committee? >> um, i've said what i'm going to say about the report today. i've issued three letters about it. i'm not going to say anything more about it until the report is out and everyone has a chance to look at it. >> why would barr choose not to
answer that question? i don't know. he can explain if they saw it or didn't. >> william barr is undoubtedly a very smart, experienced, savvy attorney but not much of a witness when he's the one getting asked questions. when he wanted to answer something, he knew the answer and didn't feel it made him or the president look bad, he's give a direct, clear answer. when it was like that, we saw a tap dance routine break out and by the way, if he did run it by the white house, that's not crime. it looks bad politically and exposes bias, which i think is coming out more and more on william barr, but to just say i'm not going to answer that anymore, why not? you answered questions for three and a half hours but i'm not answering that? >> it was a multi-part question and i think the concern is if he started to answer some parts, then the question would be so if
you talked to the white house, when did you enthusiastic white house? who did you talk to at the white house? what did you say? what did they say? and i think his point is look,ilook, i'm doing my work with, trying to do it fast and i'm trying to get information out to the public. >> those are logical follow-up questions. >> i'm doing all the work, i'm going to get the information to the public and then we can talk about it and then i'll answer questions about it. >> that was one of the most suspicious things i heard. just say yes, no i didn't show it to them in the beginning. but since i released the letter, i spoke to such and such about it. >> i share this concern, voice this concern about william barr's impartiality. he said before he was attorney general that the obstruction
theory was fatally misconceived and told the "new york times" he referenced what he called quote so-called collusion with the so-called sarcastic eye roll. that was before he was a.g. >> we knew that. >> but look at what he's done since takes a an almost 400-page report, boils it down to four page where he selects snippets and he, on his own, clears the president of obstruction. there's a pattern. >> so in that letter -- he said i tried to include as much of mueller was words as possible. he used 101 words, including words from the single footnote and a title. the entire report is nearly 400 pages. and if he wanted to include as much of what mueller said as possible, wouldn't he use the summary?
>> the answer is we don't know how the summary were prepared? in fairness to him it's a systematic approach. the fist thing was to tell the american people did robert mueller conclude that the president was a criminal? and he answered that question. the next thing he's trying to do is go through these 400 pages and address lots of complicated issues and get as much of that 400 pages out to the public as possible. it's a systematic approach and after that, if congress wants more, work with congress. if they're intitled to more f it makes sense too, give them more. >> we are being fair to him. i'm just wondering. wouldn't it have been better for him to do it that way. let mueller's words speak for themselves the parts where mueller said i did not make a judgment on that, then he can come in and talk about why.
>> i'm not saying you're not being fair to him. i think the question is maybe in those sumries there's grand jury material. every page is stamped. may include grand jury material. so the first thing he's got to do is go through and identify grand jury material. >> in the summaries? >> in the whole thing. there may be classified information. we haven't seen it yet. >> so barr's done a bit more than what mueller's it done. he went on his own and said i find no obstruction. when barr said i'm not even going to ask a koertd for permission when he could, if it he wanted to. this is the guy that promised maximum transparency. president trump is falsely blaming former president obama for his own zero tolerance separation at the border. obama's longest serving senior
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so the president today falsely claiming that obama administration separated as many families as his own administration. >> president obama had child separation. take a look. the press knows it, you know it. we all know it. i'm the one that stopped it. president obama had child separation. >> so joining me now is valerie jared, former senior advisor and author of the new book, finding my voice, my journey that west wing and the path forward." we really appreciate it.
>> good evening don and i'm so happy with all the love going on in your life. he's a lucky man. >> oh, thank you. i hope he's watching. i'm sure he is. i've got to remind our viewers. those comments from trump, they are a lie. trumped a mun stragz ramped up its strict enforcement immigration laws. they're already on the books. >> you're exactly right. their whole point was to separation families quite intengszally, trying to send a signal to discourage people. president obama looked for humane solutions knowing we have always been a country of immigrants. but that we should treat people who come to our shores with respect and humanity. and the it fact these children have been separated and this administration doesn't even can know where they are. have deported parents and can't possibly reunify them with their
children, i don't think that represent whose we are as a country and that sends a very troubling signal around it the world. >> and the truth is important. even when the president of the united states lies. they were separated under ex10uating circumstances only when authorities had concerns for their well being or could not confirm that adult was in fact their legal guardian. but not as a blanket policy. >> exactly. >> i want to play more of what this president said. he went on to say family separations work as a deitterrant. >> once you don't have it, that's why you see many more people coming. they're coming like it's a picnic because let's go to disneyland. >> is he ignoring people's rights to legally seek asylum? >> that's the point. you can't instruct people not to follow it the laws. you have to follow the system and it's designed to be reflective of our values as a country.
and i think staying true to those core value is very important. >> this past week the former president barack obama was asked about pit falls challengic democrats in 2020. >> one of the things i do worry about sometimes among progressives in the united states, maybe it's true here as well, is a certain kind of fridgeidity where we say oh, i'm sorry. this is how it's going to be and then we start sometimes creating what's called a circular firing squad. where you start shooting at your allies because one of them is strained from purity on the issues. and when that happens, it typically the overall effort and movement weakens.
>> do you share the former president's can concerns about this? >> yeah. you know i've met with several of the candidates running. i've said the authentic and true have an affirmative vision for where you think our country should go and explain why we should trust you to execute that vision. that should be focusing on yourself. the concern i have is the long view is winning the general election. if we beat each other so much in the primary and go in the general election in a weakened state, then we're going to weaken our chances of winning. an authentic message, a clear sense of why you should be optimistic that this is the person that could lead this country and don't come after each other in the short term. and the other point i would make is there's a big difference between campaigning and governing. and in governance, sdwru compromise. it can't be a dirty word. in a country as big and complex
and diverse as our os, you can't say my way or the highway or you run it the risk of getting nothing done. the affordable care act is a good example. there are many people who wanted a public option. we didn't have the votes for a public option. but now 20 million people have health care, more than before. so you have to figure out how to avoid letting perfect be the enemy of the good. >> you had to deal with racial issues a lot when dealing with the former president. a new poll says 65% feel it's common to express racially insensitive views since president trump was elected. we spend a lot of time talking about that. do you hear from people you talk to? >> i do. i think what i hear is very consistent with the new poll that came out. people are troubled by this toxic tone in our environment and we're talking at people with labels and as opposed to actually getting a level of
understanding and empathy so we can move forward and explanation. i think one of the reasons why president obama was so attractive and ran is he focussed on what can we do to bring ourselves together where we're not focusing just on our differences, we're looking for what we have in common, so that we can move beyond this -- these racist and discriminatory practices. frrtsz don't we want to be a better and stronger country? and it's hard to do that in an atmosphere that's so charged. >> race is a huge factor in your personal story. you talk about that a lot in your book. my journey 92 west wing and the path forward. you can tell the conversation you had with your mom.
she was particularly concerns that after our country had taken what she considered a impossible leap forward, it felt like we were now quickly regreszing. she said you have the optimistic belief that we are almost at the mountain top, but i believe we're dangling over the precipice. do you see trump as a back lash to president obama or a white lash as my colleague, van jones calls it? >> i dont know how to explain what happened. what i do know is 43% of eligible voters didn't vote. and i think if there's been a wake-up call with women's march, we've seen renewed aictivism and engagement. the number of people who ran for office in the midterms, the number of women and people of color who won, which is terrific. i think that puts us in a stronger pustwragz reflect the values of our country. and the question my mother put to my i had to think about. are we dangling over the precipice or are we almost at
the mountain top? i think my mom and i are both rights. we're at this pivotal moment and the direction we take depends upon whether ordinary citizens are going to exercise their most important duty of citizenship and that is to get involved and vote and demand better of their elected officials. we can't give anybody a pass. we have to say a democracy can't be taken for granted. we have to fight for our values, those core principals that bring out the best in us. and unless we do that, then we really can't complaun about what hapbs. so i encourage people to get involved and make sure we do get to that mountain top and push hards and our can country does reflect our core values. and we need leaders across america on the ground speaking up. everybody can participate. we can't just look to who's in office today. more than to be held accountable by we the citizens.
>> i wonder if you have the same advice or want toed a to that. since the night donald trump became president of the united states, i've been going through the five stages of grief, sometimes all five in the same day. the beginning denial and anger were high on the lust. i still haven't embraced acceptance. >> well, it's to vote and let's look for candidates who we think are going to bring out the best in urls, who are going to unify our country, recognize that they shouldn't be putting their short-term political interests ahead of what's best for our country. and one of my biggest frustrations with the eight years i had the privilege of serving in washington was to see time and time again republicans do just that. choose their interests over our interests. and i'd like the see a candidate emerge who's going to really take the long view, make tough decisions, not just run a popularity contest in office, but do what's best for our
country in the long term and that's the candidate i'm searching for and i'm optimistic there is a level of activism, if we can keep it going, that will deliver us somebody who does reflected those important core values about our country. >> thank you. and let me just say on a personal note oi've share would you before about seeing the first lady and the president and they looked me square in the eye and said don, you made the right decision. and i know you were pivotal in their evolution on same-sex night. even if you're a republican sitting here, under your administration same-sex marriage has become the law of the land, i would be thanking you as well. and given my daex sgler -- >> don, thank you. i will do that and i will tell you the night we watched the sun go down and see the rainbow reflected on the white house was one of the highlights of my eight years in washington. >> thank you, valerie.
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new poll paints good picture of race relations. almost 2/3 of americans say it's become more common for people to express racist views since president trump was eect alled. and 45% of americans say it's become more acceptable to express racesest views. here to discuss. listen, we got to go quick, guys. tara, you say itevidence to bac up what you thought all along. >> a, i see it every day and b, we can see it based on reporting, based on stutiszices
it that there's been an increase in hate crime, the language that comes from the president of the united states and other things said by other officials, people seem to be more emboldened with their bigotry. it's undeniable. under obama people thought race relations worsened also but not to this dedegree. it's not a good direction for the it country to go in and it highlights what we've been saying that it's more than anecdotal. it's empirical. >> this just reinforces that we've been grappling with race relations for a long time. it doesn't seem to be getting better. i think the take away from this poll is people feel more emboldened than they did before under previous president and others. not just obama. the same poll found more than half the americans have made race relations worse. they pin it on i think for the same reason
people may have pinned race relation getting worse under obama. i look at this poll and i am disheartened by it because of the two consecutive presidencies where people say things are getting worse. i think we are more better to find understanding and progress if we look at our school as and our churches and in our own hearts. i think it is on every single parent especially parents of white children, i have four at home. i need them to understand they're going to have a different experience if they are black. they have to remain vigilant in their peer group. that's a better place to look than at a president or a politician to fix these
problems. it is clear that our politics is not allowing for progress right now. >> i give you credit for that. people should be doing exactly what you are saying but the president of the united states should be an example and the lead. >> i agree with you. >> clearly presidents are not capable of solving this and it is regrettable. >> capable of being better examples. let trump and others survive that. the church needs to be a better example, too. >> that's a great message, scott. >> two-thirds of americans saying it is common for people to express racist views since trump is elected. two thi two-thirds is a big number. don, congrats on the engagement. that's great news. i agree with what scott is saying and terry. i want to push back on what scott said about president obama, eight years of his presiden presidency, i recall one statement that he made that was over the line and that was
inflammatory. he made comments that latinos should go out and vote to punish republicans. he wound up apologizing for that. i think that stands out as an incident, contrast to president trump who in 2015 told republicans jewish coalition that i am a negotiator like you and total complete ban on muslims and came down the escalators and saying mexicans were rapists and too many insults to count. we don't have time for it now. >> the reason you see a 65% of this poll is going back to the first number that president trump makes race comments so cavalierly that people feel freer now to make those comments themselves. >> i have to say everyone made a good point. yes, it is incumbent on all americans. white americans to understand that people are treated differently. that's a valid point.
most people will adprgree that president sets the tone from the top. it would be helpful if the president can engage in trying to attempt this down and bring people together. >> thank you, all. >> polls are closing in israel elections. votes are being counted. will benjamin netanyahu stay in office? that's next. ancestrydna was able to tell me where my father's family came from in columbia. they pinpointed the columbian and ecuador region and then there's a whole new andean region. that was incredibly exciting because i really didn't know that. we never spoke about that in my family. it just brings it home how deep my roots are and it connects me to them, and to their spirit, and to their history. 20 million members have connected to a deeper family story. order your kit at ancestry.com.
our orrin liebermann is in jerusalem right now. where do things stand right now? >> reporter: 90% of the votes have been counted. it remains too close to call. more than 4 million votes, benjamin netanyahu separated by his rival, gantz, by less than 13,000 votes. this close is too close to call. there are a few more of counting votes. votes are counted in the coming days. as it stands now, benjamin netanyahu appears to have the advantage when it comes to forming a government coalition. his block has 65 seats which is viewed as his rifle. rivals. >> unless there is a surprise of how it all shakes out, benjamin
netanyahu may win. >> how much of a difference did that support him? >> reporter: don, i don't think it is a surprise to have to tell you there is supporters of benjamin netanyahu. trump is more popular here than he is in the united states. benjamin netanyahu is more than happy to play that up. trump appeared openly campaigning for benjamin netanyahu and giving him gifts. u.s. recognition israel recognition of golan heights is a major victory for benjamin netanyahu. all of that strengthen this idea that it is benjamin netanyahu and trump together. it is difficult to say how many votes affected or how many it
changed. it did not hurt benjamin netanyahu in this election. he came out with more votes and seats than he ever had before in 13 years of government. >> orrin liebermann joining us live in jerusalem. >> before we leave you tonight. i want to remind you that we got two more, live from washington. tomorrow night, jay inslee, monitored by wolf blitzer. >> thank you for watching everyone. hey, we are going to need 500 more units pronto. ♪ even in my own home, i had my own designated space to smoke. if i think about it, it really was like i was punishing myself.