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congress or doj. as for barr's spying claims, this is what he said. >> so you're not suggesting, though, that spying occurred? >> i don't -- well, i guess you could -- i think there was spying did occur. yes, i think spying did occur. >> well let me -- >> but the question is whether it was predicated, adequately predicated and i'm not suggesting it wasn't adequately predicated but i need to explore that. >> i am not saying that improper surveillance occurred, i'm saying that i am concerned about it and looking into it. that's all. >> gloria borger is our cnn chief political analyst and harry litman a former deputy assistant attorney general and good to have you on. harry, you first.
when you heard the word "spying" from the attorney general, what did you think and what does that mean? >> right. look, there is a bland way to put it and he tried to back away and put it that way later. i simply mean that there was surveillance after the counterintelligence investigation was started, we surveyed. that is what we did. but when i heard spying, my heart skipped a beat. that is a loaded term. bill barr knows it is a loaded term. and was likely to play into a triumphant talking point of president who within half an hour was standing on the lawn of the white house proclaiming that we're going to investigate the investigators. it would be a terrible idea and i can't believe barr means it seriously to try to reexcavate the whole episode shown to have been perfectly kosher. if he is looking at procedures or something like that, okay.
but the term "spying" was at best a loaded misstep. >> and then gloria, to harry's point on the timing of the president's comments, this is an attempted coup and treasonous around the time that bill barr was testifying. >> he's heard lindsey graham call for a special counsel to investigate the investigators. he knows full well that the inspector general there is investigating all of this. but let me point out a few other things, brooke. because the question -- the question here is really whether people on the campaign were informed about this as he said they should have been. there is rudy giuliani there and chris christie there. and we did a story in august of 2016 which said that senior u.s. intelligence officials told
trump that foreign adversaries, including russia, were trying to infiltrate the campaign. what we don't know is how much detail they went into with donald trump and the campaign. we don't know. but we do know that they were informed according to our reporting. >> and why would barr, harry, launch a review of his own, if the i.g. is already looking into it. why double up? >> there is not an easy good answer on that. and, in fact, to my knowledge, and i've talked to a number of people now, it is unprecedented. sure, if you have concerns about the facts, you wait and wait until the i.g. report is done and then you get the facts and then you can conclude that is absolutely standard procedure. maybe that is all he meant. maybe he means he's worried about the issue in the abstract. he's trying to get up to speed so when the i.g. report comes in
a month or two, then it is fine. or maybe he means i want to make sure that our procedures are fine. if, however, he means i want to look at the investigators, the individual guilt of the mccabe and strzok and pages, i can't think of a good reason to do it and i could think of 20 bad reasons to even be tip toeing down that path. i think we'll learn more about this but it is problematic. >> the other nugget that came out today and this is something the three of us have spoken about mueller punting on obstruction and so barr was asked today whether he spoke with the special counsel about who mueller wanted to decide the obstruction issue and barr said that mueller didn't say. so gloria, to you, and harry weigh in, too, who do you think mueller intended to make the call and it seems when you read that four pages from barr that he already kind of did but isn't it up to congress to make that call?
>> well, you'd think it would be. i can imagine that mueller would not say anything because barr is his boss. and that mueller functions just as a federal prosecutor. he's not an independent counsel. he's a special counsel. and i think mueller would have sort of stepped back on that question. i think what i'm really interested in, brooke, is that the attorney general said today, when this report is finally released, that we will be able to see why mueller could not make a decision himself, with his team, on the question of obstruction. he said that will be laid out. so we need to see that as well. >> same question, harry? >> okay. and hopefully it will be laid out something as or if not more important where barr decided he had to step into the -- look, stepping back is one thing. and radio silence is another. you have the man who spent 22
months painstakingly investigating and barr said he didn't even confer with him about the letter or the contents of it. he's there to -- to work with barr at least and try to get -- explain what is going on. it's a little odd and maybe troubling that mueller is so absent when the pivotal decisions are being made. >> got to see the mueller report. that is coming down in the next couple of days. we're standing by for that. harry, let me ask you about the reporting out of the wall street yurnl this morning focusing on two former members of the trump center circle, you have hope hicks and keith schiller the long time bodyguard. and they have been questioned as part of the investigation into the hush money payment made by michael cohen. but the key issue for both, their contacts with david pecker, the ceo of american media the publisher of the "national enquirer." and reminder american media paid
$150,000 to suppress a story about an alleged affair between trump and karen mcdougal. so i say that to set it up to get everyone up to speed. harry, how significant is this? >> pretty significant. now the big thing to remember is there is already a crime here. cohen pleaded guilty to it. the feds alleged it and the court accepted it. and the crime involves individual one. that is the president. and it stands to reason that there is -- that hope hicks and keith schiller might have had involvement and you have an aggressive prosecutor and it is one thing that they won't indict trump, that is the policy, but other people may well have been involved and they could get to the bottom of it and even try to get to the bottom of what trump knew and when he knew it even if they're not going to indict him. so it showed they are dogged on the trail, not going away and pursuing not just hope hicks and schiller, but other leads as well. this is going to be a headache
for the trump organization and for the individuals in the inner circle for months, if not longer. >> harry litman, great to see you. thank you for your analysis and all of that. i want to turn the page and talk 2020. senator bernie sanders just unveiled an ambitious new health care plan. >> and the reason that we have a health care system which is disfunction is fairly obvious. it is not just the huge profits in the insurance industry and the pharmaceutical industry, but it is the incredible waste and bureaucracy developed by many thousands of health care plans. the american people are increasingly clear, they want a health care system that guarantees health care to all americans as a right. they want a health care system which will lower health care costs and save them money. >> so senator sanders is calling
the overhaul medicare for all and while it was at one time dismissed as too radical by democrats he has help this time. you see four of sanders 2020 rivals have signed on as co-sponsors. now the details are still vague an how it would be implemented but here are the highlights. it would be a federally sponsored plan, replacing private insurance and no private insurance networks means you don't have to switch doctors or cover pretty much everything, including vision and dental. and according to the senator, you would save thousands of dollars a year in out of pocket health care costs. so perhaps the catch here is that your taxes would go up. rick newman is a columnist for yahoo finance and so thank you for coming on. i know you love talking health care. and so we just ran through the headlines but what is the meat of the prose posal. >> it is the same plan there 2016 when everybody dismissed it and he tweaked it and including long-term care benefits for disabled people and some seniors and giving us -- taking a swag
at how he might pay for it, higher taxes on the wealthy and businesses and big banks. but i think what is different between now and 2016 or 2015 when he first started talking about it, this is a mainstream part of the political conversation. we know from the 2018 midterms, health care is a big issue for people. the economy is doing better right now and polls consistently show health care is at the top in terms of voter concerns. everybody knows what the problems are. out of pocket costs are too high. a lot of people still can't get coverage and we still have something like 30 million people not covered. so there are medicare for all is one idea but how do you address that and there are other ideas. >> i want to get to how this will look like on the debate stage with various senators who would like to be in the white house. but where is the but? what is the issue that the health care industry overall is going to have with this. >> so medicare for all, you hit on it. it would triple federal spending on health care. but at the same time companies
would pay nothing for health care and individuals would pay nothing so you are shifting the cost to the federal government and you probably would get more bang for the buck out of the health care dollar. the problem is you have to move 170 million people out of the private system into this federal system. and for meme who get health care through their employer, that works for most people. that is one of the least broken parts of the health care system. so you remember the adage from the big debacle with obamacare is you like your plan and you could keep it and oops you can't keep your plan and now you'll tell 170 million people, whether you like your plan or not, you can't keep it. >> and senators who are running actually have various iterations of medicare for all plans and that they are in favor of and some are saying you'll have a choice. unlike senator sanders but we showed the four co-sponsors of the bill but down the road the differences will come out. >> there are at least ten health care reform proposals in congress that commonwealth fund.
i looked at them today and only four are single payer plans where everybody goes into the federal system. most of them say let's expand medicare for people who cannot get coverage someplace else and have them pay premiums so they are paying for that insurance the way you pay for ordinary insurance. that covers the cost but you get a better deal because it is medicare and you're not buying it on your own and expand the affordable care act and try to find ways to bring costs down for people who buy insurance on their own in the individual market but paying too much. some people, if you are about 50 and 64 you could pay $30,000 or $40,000 for coverage for two people in the individual market. that is crazy. >> but the differences will be on display among the senators on the debate stage because they may look united now -- >> but the easiest thing is to say i support medicare for all. it is a bumper sticker and it gets harder to say i support this very complicated plan with 17 points to read on my website.
so medicare for all has pithiness going for it and i think the challenge for the candidates is to come up with pithy ways to label what might be a more politically feasible plan. >> rick newman, thank you. ahead, new polls out of california show most people don't have a big issue with the recent allegations against joe biden. hear what voters are telling cnn about his chances in 2020. and one trump flag spotted at the election party for israeli party for netanyahu. his opponent has just conceded. we'll talk about what influence president trump may have had on the final result. and later, an emotional add honors dwyane wade for his work off the court including support he's shown the parents of parkland shooting victim joaquin oliver and they will join me live to share their story, coming up. forever plan. -welcome to our complete freedom plan. -it's all possible with a cfp professional.
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new today in the 2020 race, california voters reacting to accusations of inappropriate touching leveled against former vp joe biden and for the most part they are shrugging their shoulders. a new quinn pag poll found 66% of california voters say the biden allegations are not a big deal and only 20% say it is a serious issue. so nate reston is in los angeles for us. and you have been talking to so many female voters, 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, about all of this. what are they telling you? >> well it was so interesting, brooke, because after biden made that joke last week that got a lot of coverage about how he had permission to hug a male labor
leader, i was really interested just in what women were thinking about this. and generally they think that the accusations so far are really not that big of a deal. often the words they used were pretty trivial. feeling like the reaction to this has been completely overblown. and i wanted to read you a couple of quotes from -- that i found most interesting. >> yes. >> from a rally this weekend, actually, for julian castro where i talked to the women because they were engaged and paying attention. and one of them said of biden's behavior, quote, it is a kiss on the head or the cheek or a shoulder. that daddy kind of grandpa move. it is not like you are grabbing the p word. and what that voter teacher from apple valley is referring to was the infamous donald trump "access hollywood" feeling like he could grab women at his pleasure because he was famous.
so another one of the voters that i talked to, and i thought this was so interesting. i'm a big supporter of the me-too movement but i feel like we're shifting the goalpost and no one asked us if we were going to shift the goalpost to just what makes us feel uncomfortable. so there is a really interesting debate unfolding here in california about what the levels of inappropriate activity is by men. with a lot of people feeling like maybe the me-too pendulum has swung too far and there is an overreaction. and one of the other voters that i talked to was saying, i'm glad we're having this conversation. i'm glad that joe biden's out there owning his actions. making people talk about what is appropriate. that is the whole point of the me-to movement. so it is an interesting and unexpected reaction. >> it is fascinating. i'm so glad you talked to the various women who are so plugged in and paying attention and
california of course, this is where the poll was taken and this is senator kamala harris's home state and he's ahead with 26% and 17% supporting kamala harris and what do you make of that given the fact this is home for her? >> this is her home state. but what you have to remember is that joe biden is a house hold name with incredible name recognition. especially here in california where we pay so much attention to national politics. so i actually think that these numbers are not terrible for her. she's still got a lot of work to do in terms of getting to know more voters across california. and joe biden obviously has this deep reservoir of love here among democratic voters and bernie sanders also did really well here in the last race. so this is going to be a fight to the death. and remember that with all of the delegates at stake, it is
not winner-takes-all and so they could split them up and everyone is campaigning here. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. coming up next, an inside look at what has been referred to as the very bizarre tour president trump took of mt. vernon, that is george washington's first home where he apparently -- president trump insulted the first president and also fascinated by how rich president washington was. the reporter who spoke to the tour guide joins me with details. biopharmaceutical researchers. pursuing life-changing cures in a country that fosters innovation here, they find breakthroughs... like a way to fight cancer by arming a patient's own t-cells...
they share the same title. but centuries apart. president trump and george washington both got rich through real estate. and now we're learning just what 45 thought of the first commander-in-chief. from this report in politico with the title trump's bizarre visit to mt. vernon. and daniel litman got the scoop of what happened when president trump visited there last year with french president emmanuel macron. so daniel, thank you for being here. i love mt. vernon and that back -- that back area along the potomac is stunning. but you write that president trump had -- how do you phrase it, had great advice for george washington. tell me what that was. >> so he said if george
washington was smart, he would have named it after himself and that people have to put their name on stuff or no one will remember them. and then the tour guide told the president and the macrons, well, he named -- or washington, d.c. is washington for a reason and trump said, that is a good point and kind of laughed. >> on the screen you see the examples of all of the things in places and universities and 94 u.s. locations all named after president george washington. just fyi. and so the tour guide was the mt. vernon president and ceo and he said it was tough for him to keep the president's interest during the vip 45-minute tour which he described as truly bizarre. why? >> so he really could not get president trump interested in the details and intricacies of the history involved in the house because trump found the house actually a lot to criticize about it. he found the rooms too small.
the staircases too narrow. the floorboards creeky and uneven. he was testing them out which kind of raised eyebrows because you don't want to jump up and down there. and doug bradburn, the ceo, he came upon how do i get president trump interested in it and he -- then he turned to george washington's real estate speculation and how he was a very wealthy early american. >> so that landed with the current president. just lastly, was there any one stop where president trump was fascinated? >> they got to the end of the tour. where george washington died in his bedroom of a throat infection and trump grabbed the bed post and said, well this is a good bed to die in which was kind of a cap to our article. and one other interesting thing
is that of course the macrons knew more about the history than the trumps did. which is not a shocker. but he is, after all, the french president so you would think that would be a little odd. >> dan yet litman with the details of this vip tour with macron and our own president. daniel, thank you for sharing that. coming up next, president trump congratulating netanyahu on his narrow election win but some of the actions may have helped tip the scales. we'll discuss that with my next guest who has a piece out that said the president is trashing the rule of law to stay in powerme power, we'll have him explain how coming up. ♪
president trump today congratulating prime minister netanyahu on what looks to be a tight election win and a historic fifth term. netanyahu's rival conceded the race a short time ago and this is what president trump said about it this morning. >> i'd like to congratulate b.b. netanyahu. it looks like that race has been won by him and i think we'll see some pretty good action in terms of peace. look, everyone said, and i never made it a promise, but everybody said you can't have peace in the middle east with israel and palestinians and i think we have a chance. and i think we have now a better chance with b.b. having won. >> just two weeks ago president
trump gave netanyahu a gift when he decided to recognize the sovereignty in golan heights in a area long considered occupied territory. with me max boot and council on foreign relations and cnn global affairs analyst. and we saw at least one trump flag at the netanyahu hq last night for the election party. how much do you think trump helped tip the scales for him? >> there is no question trump put a thumb on the scales and definitely helped b.b. not just with the goal an heights annexation but moving the u.s. embassy to jerusalem and just the couple of days ago designating the iranian irgc as a terrorist organization and a lot of netanyahu's appeal to his voters was i have a great relationship with trump and he's doing great things for israel and keep me in office to maintain that relationship and the question now is trump going to attempt to cash the chips to take advantage of the credit that he's earned with netanyahu
to try to make a serious push for a peace process and now trump is claiming, oh, peace will be easier now with netanyahu in office and i'm skeptical of that, brooke, because netanyahu will come in with a very right-wing pro-settler coalition so it is hard to see them making any real concessions. >> so we'll look for what happens and if there is peace or not. >> i would not -- in the middle east, pretty good idea to bet against peace unfortunately. >> to say that is sort of stunning. on the president, you wrote this column in the "post" about how trump is trashing the rule of law to stay in power. and you lay out the examples. tell the good folks at home what you are talking about. >> there is a palpable desperation from trump and when he feels embattled or his political existence is at stake and he lashes out and doesn't care about good taste or decor um or the law itself. he's feeling very pressured on immigration because this is a
signature issue for him and he claimed he would stop illegal immigration and yet in march there were 92,000 apprehensions at the southwest border and the highest level in 12 years. so trump is freaking out. he's worried he won't win re-election if this trend continues and so he is purging the department of homeland security but he's also urging people at dhs to do things that illegal and part of the reason he soured on secretary kirstjen nielsen, although she was doing thing i think unconscionable like separating families and she wasn't willing to go far enough to deny the poor central americans to deny the ability to seek asylum and which is their right and trump wants them to do that. our jake tapper quoted him meeting with border agents in southern california telling them ignore what judges say, if people show up asking for asylum tell them we're full. that is a violation of the law. and apparently the supervisors had to tell agents, don't listen to the commander-in-chief -- >> once the president left the
room, and they are looking around the room -- >> that is striking. i don't think we need a big enough deal of that. that is a big deal. if that is accurate and the president is telling federal agents to violate the law and their supervisor is saying don't do it, that ought to be a huge scandal. but with trump we roll our eyes and move on and i think it deserves more attention than it is getting. >> so what is the -- put the president aside if we can for a second and when we are in a post-trump white house era, how much damage will he have done to the rule of law and to these institutions? >> well that is a great question, brooke. hard to answer. i think part of it will depend on how much longer he will be in office. is it two years or six years. the amount of damage he does varies greatly but i'm worried about what i'm seeing and you're seeing now that he is managing to put people in place in the federal government who have his con tem shoous of the rule of law and i would include bill barr who is catering much more to trump and saying that he will
redact the mueller report and today the attorney general was feeding these crazy trump conspiracy theories about spying. now bill barr does not go as far as trump. he doesn't say that fbi agents are dirty or they're guilty of treason or anything like that but he is feeding the flames under and this is undermining confidence in the federal government and law enforcement and the judiciary and the rule of law. that is a corrosive thing to do and donald trump has support of 40% of the country and those people believe what he is telling them and that is dangerous for the long-term future of our democracy. >> mat max boot. thank you for your column and opinions. nice to see you. and coming up next, dwayne wade honored with a tribute for his work off the court and among those saying thanks, the family of parkland chuting victim joaquin oliver. his parents will talk to me about why wade meant so much to them and their son. 300 miles an hour,
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too observe in the news we talk about anger and partisanship, name-calling and hate. but i want to show you something that should remind you of all of the good still around us. the decency. nba star dwayne wade is retiring after tonight's game ending a remarkable career both on and off the court. and all year as a gesture of respect he has been swapping jerseys with other nba stars after every game but one company wanted to surprise him with some other keepsakes. budweiser released an ad to put a spotlight on his charitable work highlighting five people
each touched in unique ways by wade's generosity and each of them brought something for him. watch. >> i have no idea it was coming. literally no idea. >> hello, hi, dwayne. >> hello. >> how are you doing, brother, pretty good, how about yourself. >> it is the last year when i saw you. >> it was my dream to get the chance to go to college but we didn't have the money. >> you mean so much to us and my brother joaquin loved you from the beginning. he passed away in parkland on february 14th. he was one of the 17 victims. >> ten days before christmas our house burned down and we lost everything. it was one of the lowest points
of my life. >> hi, dwayne. >> how are you doing? >> you were the joy of my life. but i was dropping the ball. that day that i just couldn't do it no more was the day that i was going to have to turn myself in. and i seen the tears just fall from your eyes. your momma went down a road, dwayne, that i didn't ever think i could come back from. but on that road i notice you kept showing up. and you come and see about me. and dwayne, because you believed in me, when i got out of prison i was a different woman. >> you're not dwayne wade the basketball player, the legend,
you're the human being who took the time and on his own wrote my brother's name on his shoe and you cared. >> when you bought your momma that church, you don't even understand the lives that you changed. so i don't have a jersey but i brought you this. >> i don't have a jersey to trade with you but i have this. the blazer that i wore to my first -- >> my cap and gown from graduation. >> this is important because joaquin wore this in his last championship. >> my family wanted you to have it. >> these came from my brother joaquin. >> he was a role model and made all of the difference. >> one of the special robes that you gave me, purple symbolized royalty and you are royal and in everybody's life you touched. >> you completely changed the course of my life. >> i know my brother is with you always. >> oh, the last voice belongs to andrea oliver, the sister of
parkland shooting victim joaquin oliver who was 17 when he was killed and his patien-- his par manuel and patricia are with me now. and i see in your eyes, i've seen that several times today and it is so beautiful. and i what to ask you about it but can we start with joaquin. because i sat for half an hour pouring over his instagram page and saw you call him the rock and his love for soccer and dwayne wade was his idol, so tell me more about him. >> joaquin is joaquin. he is a beautiful spirit, human being. and you can see what he posted and what he did in his life. he keeps doing that through many other kids, through the things he's done. and we enjoy the fact that he has so much love for so many
people they don't even know about him and he showed us that -- solidarity and human part of the person that anybody can have like >> do you want to jump in on that? >> sure. i can give you one rhiline i wi never forget from joaquin, when he said, i play basketball because of wade. i was coaching his team on the last season and i don't know much about basketball, but i was honored to coach the team. and joaquin will always choose jersey number three because of wade. so it meant so much when he started supporting what we were doing after we lost joaquin. >> i want to ask you about that. so you all left venezuela, it was 2003, right? >> yeah. >> so you pick of all places, you think, perfectly safe
parkland, florida. >> yes. >> and the tragedy occurs on valentine's day of 2018 and your world falls apart. you know your son's love for dwyane wade. and you decide to bury him in dwyane wade's jersey. and obviously, he hears about that and can you just tell me about when you first met dwyane wade and what that meant for him and for you to see him dedicate the rest of the basketball season to your son. >> well, i remember that moment, we were together in a party. like, spending some time with friends. >> we were having dinner. >> yeah, we were having dinner. and we came out of that place and i saw a tweet that showed wade's shoes with joaquin's name on it. that's how i knew that wade was really supporting us all the way. >> what did you think? >> well, we didn't believe it. what? what is this? >> and at the same time, i got a
post, a text from a friend of ours, joaquin's dad's friend that he was looking for our contact number, because dwayne's mom wanted to get in touch with me. so i share his phone number with me and says texts me the day after and she said, i want to get a one-to-one, mom-to-mom conversation. >> and what was she like? what was dwyane wade's mom like? >> they are the most beautiful family that i ever -- that you can ever imagine being in this network, that you maybe have an image that is someone that's not like that, not even that. she was very simple, a mom. >> kind. >> kind, yeah. very, very lovely person. besides that, she's a pastor, so she has this connection with the spirituality that brought me peace in that moment, because that was very recent when that happened. >> yeah. >> and we got that connection.
and since then we've been in touch. >> you started the organization "change the ref" job you have marched with students, you have put out all of these big art installations, but i want to get you guys talking about this one-man show. gauc. that was his nickname. my son, my hero, can you tell me about that? >> absolutely. we have been trying to do things that are not common things to do. we try to bring our activism into an unusual way. we believe that some usual ways haven't been working so well. so we decided to, you know what, what is it that we do? we love art, we do art. let's do something that is related to what we like and what joaquin will like. so we met with a couple of friends related to theater and we thought about, why don't we make a stand up, an activism
stand-up. not a comedy one. >> an activism stand-up one-man show. >> a place people will come and it's like a roller coaster of emotions. all the rehearsals that we have done, and that's the reason why we're in new york. >> lucky man, that have been -- you can see people crying, dancing, smiling, remembering joaquin. we have a great team of professionals in here and i think we've reached that level of the project that is already ready to launch and that's the plan. we're going to be on tour. we're going to bring all of these amazing moments of joaquin's life and of course, we're going to show the tragedy behind what happened. listen, we -- we do things in a different way. we have a violence program here. i'm not a politician. i am not a lawyer. i am an artist.
so i'll just do my best with what i know instead of pretending to be something that i'm not. >> i appreciate you sharing the space with me and talking about your son and again for anyone who wants to know about this play, my son, my hero, a pleasure. >> thank you very much for having us here today. >> quick break. we'll be right back.
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