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report. >> on leadership. do men and women lead non-profits, and others. supporting candidates who you believe in who can make a differently? >> of course! >> and much more. difference. >> now, if you really wanted to so, yes, i think that we saw solve this problem, you would this in the midterm election not be separating families and putting babies in cages. when all those women were elected to the house of but first, here's my take. there are many explanations for representatives. [ applause ] and -- and, maybe most benjamin net's victory in this importantly, they are led by one week's elections that have to do with israel's situation. effective, tough woman, the speaker of the house, nancy its economic boom, security pelosi. so, yes, it makes a big climate and the press's talent. difference. >> hillary clinton, pleasure to talk to you. >> thank you so much, fareed. thank you all. thanks to tina brown and the tenth annual women in the world he is part of a larger summit for something me to phenomenon. the continued populism around the world and the inability of interview secretary clinton. thanks to mrs. clinton for the leftist center parties to respond to it. great conversation. we'll be back. the case for nationalist els.com like this: (sneezes) populism goes like this. earn one free night when you stay just twice this spring. it is a nasty world out there. people are trying to take our allergies. or.. badda book. badda boom. jobs, undermine your security, move into your country. the cosmopolitan urban elites
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complaint that all foreigners in take advantage of america. these leaders promise to rectify we're all under one roof now. the situation and restore their congratulations. thank you. how many kids? my two. his three. country's proper standing in the along with two dogs and jake, our new parrot. world. netanyahu, for his part, has long argued that israel deserves that is quite the family. quite a lot of colleges to pay for though. a much better place among a lot of colleges. nations arguing in his 1193 book you get any financial advice? yeah, but i'm pretty sure it's the same plan for an israeli nationalism that they sold me before. well your situation's totally changed now. is aggressive and unapoll jet i right, right. go. so israeli's strength and how 'bout a plan that works for 5 kids, security have grown immeasurably 2 dogs and jake over here? that would be great. that would be great. as its historical enemies saudi that okay with you, jake? get a portfolio that works for you now arabia and syria among others and as your needs change from td ameritrade have either become buddies or investment management. basket cases the argument that oneeeee... did you try this one? the world is against it has feel this one. it's amazing! somehow persisted. twooooo... in fact despite the pose of it's nice. but it's kinda pricey. hi. hi. victimhood postured by these you can't skimp on a decision this important. a mattress is where you'll spend over half your life nationalists, which american and eat all your meals. politician today does not speak but it's all good. just use pay it plan it. up for america. pay it plan it is a payment feature from american express. the danger for victims is that they underestimate the power of choose a monthly plan to split up large purchases over time these raw emotional appeals. with no interest and a fixed fee. need me to help you carry this to your car or... for centuries liberals assumed the powerful backing of american express.
nationalism was a kind of don't live life without it. irrational attachment that would grow weaker has people became more rational, connected and worldly. as isaiah wrote, like a twig bended in one direction and has to snap back, as globalization grows in its reach, nationalism will be the predictable backlash. pop you list nationalists understand the core appeal of their ideology. a recently asked a balls narrow supporter whether the brazilian president's economic policies or his cultural nationalism was the key to his appeal. the supporter's answer, nationalism is the party's core. the economics are simply about efficiency and growth. meanwhile liberals in america still don't seem to get it. the democratic party still seems to think the solution to its whoas is to keep moving leftward economically. this week, bernie sanders
revealed his medicare for all plan. the olympian will probably require 2 to $3 trillion in additional annual tax reference. at the same time donald trump tweets about the democratic's love of open borders and insists that he and he alone will protect the country and enforce its laws. what if trump understands the mood of our times better than bernie sanders? for more, about to cnn.com/fareed and read my "washington post" column this week. and let's get started. ♪ there are still 569 days until the 2020 election, but already there are nearly 20 democratic presidential wonna bes. hillary clinton knows something about being a presidential candidate. she of course was one in 2008, and again in 2016. so what is her advice to the
as the next presidential campaign begins to ramp up, 2020 contenders? candidates promise to improve i was invited to interview the the lives of their fellow former senator and former americans. >> i am running to declare, once secretary of state on friday of the tenth annual women in the and for all, that health care is world summit. i talked to secretary clinton in a fundamental right. front of a packed audience at >> i do believe housing is a the event, which was towned by human right. tina brown, and held at lincoln >> we need to protect the center here in new york. individual rights and wages of working men and women. >> i brings me to my question. >> hi. >> welcome, hillary clinton. americans are least satisfied by >> so happy to be here. which of the following parts of >> pleasure to have you here. their personal leave lives? >> thank you. thank you. >> today, april 12th, four years a, household income? b, personal health, c education, ago you announced for the or d, amount ofly sewer time. presidency of the united states. >> i did. stay tuned and we will tell you >> if there is one piece of the correct answer. my book of the week is advice you have for the 18 accidental presidents by gerald democrats who are trying to do what you did about running cohen, it is a fascinating prism against donald trump, what would to look at american history. it be? >> wow. the eight men who ascended to the presidency because the men okay. elected dyed. it is a well written fast paced i am absolutely delighted to see book filled with interesting facts and insights.
this incredibly diverse field anyone who loves american history will delight in it. now for the last look, 800 and especially to have more than one woman running for president miles from the north pole sits of the united states is an island that is home to the exciting. but i think you really have to northernmost town in the world and also one of theis plays most do two things simultaneously. dramatically affected by global and it's challenging. you do have to present what you warming. the town is completely built on want to do, what is your vision, permafrost. with rising temperatures, what is your hope for our buildings are sinking into the ground as what used to be a country, how do you see the solid foundation transforms into future, what are you going to something more soggy and less propose that will make a difference in the lives of permanent. some residents have moved to safer ground. but it's not just towns people americans and maintain the and local reindeer who rely on values, the ideals of america in the permafrost. a very complex world. this is the global seed vault, so you bear that responsibility. also called the doomsday vault at the same time, you have to be for its mission of guarding the world's crop diversity in case able to counter and ignore where of catastrophe. it is the world's largest sea bank and was built deep under the permafrost, a natural fridge of sorts for the precious cargo. possible, response where now a reend report confirms that necessary, to the diversion and
distraction that we see, unfortunately, working by the the permafrost is melting. current incumbent in the white the terma frost also holds vast house. so you have to do that balancing act. and i think that we have quantities of carbon. melting it with exacerbate excellent candidates who are global warming. demonstrating their ability to we do have a backup for the do that. but, you know, really, fareed, world's plants for now. even though we don't have a what it comes down to, because, backup for human beings. yes, i kicked off my campaign the answer to my weekly challenge this week is d, it four years ago today, and i turns out most people are very think about what an amazing satisfied with their family life, then with education, the experience it was traveling the wayly sewer team is spend, country, talking with people, housings personal health, listening to people, making the case for the kind of america community, their standard of living, their job, household that i want for my children and income. the item with the least satisfaction is their amount grandchildren. but i also think about what i ofly sewer time. well, summer vacation is right around the corner. said at the very end of that campaign when i addressed all thanks to all of you for being part of my program thisseck the little girls and told them would. to keep dreaming and told them i will see you next week. i'm working to keep the fire to, you know, be powerful, be going for another 150 years. >> to inspire confidence through ready to take on risks, be brave. style. >> i am working to make
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could be on our own, to join i was told to begin i my aspirin regimen,. i just didn't listen, hands in common effort, and i -- until i almost lost my life. my doctors again ordered me to take aspirin, and i do. i absolutely, though, agree with be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. the thrust of your question listen to the doctor. because the campaign that was take it seriously. run in 2016 was dark. it was negative. it did provide a long list of scapegoats. so if you did have problems in your life, if you were feeling left behind and left out, there were answers as to why that was happening that the other candidate, the opposing party, was going to offer to you. so i am well aware of the power of that. and i think you wrote an article recently about the power of appeals to nationalism and how we see that not just in our country but elsewhere in the world. i just believe that it is important to say where there are
legitimate concerns -- and i addressed that. i mean, i did put out what i tto harrison, the wine tcollection.. would do to bring jobs to places that were left out, to deal with to craig, this rock. inequality in our economy, to the redwoods to the redheads. try to make sure everybody had the rainbows to the proud. quality affordable health care. i leave these things to my heirs, that's what i have been standing all 39 million of you, for, fighting for, working for on one condition. my entire public life. that you do everything in your power so i -- i was well aware that we to preserve and protect them. have problems that we have to solve. with love, california. but it's been my experience that anger, resentment, prejudice r n -- are not strategies. they stop people from thinking. they don't enlist people in the common evident to try to find solutions. so i believe -- effort to try to find solutions. so i believe we have to start where people are. the country is really divided. and there are a lot of really positive optimistic people and events happening. and then there are people who absolutely feel left out, unheard, dismissed,
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robert mueller ran a tight ship with few leaks. but attorney barr has now promised that mueller's report with some deletions will be delivered to kong in the coming days. i wanted to find out hillary clinton's thoughts on the report. do you believe william barr's summary of the mueller report? >> well, how can we? i mean, how can we? we deserve to see the mueller report. and -- [ applause ] -- if there is material that for whatever reason should not be shared publicly, it should be shared with the congress. you know, i do have a life that you cannot make up. and one of the things that i did as a very young lawyer was work on the impeachment staff of the house judiciary committee in 1974 investigating richard
nixon. so i know what can be made available, what the court has to be asked to permit to be made available. i know what the republicans did when they were in charge of the congress in demanding information from the justice department that had never been offered before. very sensitive information. it was all turned over to the republican congress. so we are in this bit of a twilight zone, aren't we? there is a report that depending upon which figure you believe is somewhere between 300, 400 pages long. and it is not being delivered to the congress, which has an absolute right to see it. it is not being presented to the public. so i think that what we saw in congress with the attorney general's presentation in both the house and the senate is someone who considers his
principle duty to be protecting donald trump, not protecting the rule of law and the democracy that the justice department should be defending. and i remember when nixon was really upset because there was an investigation going on and he fired people who would not do his bidding until lhe finally ended up with somebody who would do his bidding. but it didn't save him because the information that had been collected was made available to the congress, to the courts, and event eventually to the public. so i would hope that the law is followed, that the information is provided, that the american public and the press has a chance to go through these 300 to 400 pages with you know as few redactions or cross-outs as
possible. and i think the congress has to take a very hard look at what their remedies are if they are not given that information. and they do have remedies to go should not be necessary. this information should be provided. as someone who has been in the eye of the storm all these years, i think that everybody deserves to their chance to tell their story. i believe in facts, and evidence, and law. but this was an investigation that had a serious purpose, to determine what role the russians played in our election, to try to understand the kind of bizarre connections between russians and members of the trump campaign and people close to trump. these are really important questions. and it is not, fareed just because -- we should really for
historic purposes we need the find out what did happen. it's because we need to be prepared for whatever happened in the past happening again that would influence wrongly our elections. [ applause ] >> when you look at the crisis in immigration -- and there is a crisis in terms of all of these asylum seekers coming. >> right. >> is president trump right in saying essentially, look, you can't take everyone in, we have to be tough on this issue, otherwise we will get overwhelmed. and again, is there a danger that the democrats seed the issue to him? i read to you what david brooks wrote in the "new york times" about this issue. he says, democrats aren't having a primary campaign. they are having a purity test. the idea being that everyone has to demonstrate, particularly on immigration, how pure they are, which again might cede the field to donald trump and say look, i am the only guy who is actually willing to enforce the law. >> if that were true, but it's
not -- and here's why. if you really were serious about dealing with immigration, which i am and believe we must, we do not and cannot have open borders. that is, you know, not in anybody's interests. but we also can't demagogue the issue and expect to solve the problem. so for people who want to deny there is a problem or people who don't want to solve the problem and use it as a political issue they are both in my view failing. here's what we could be doing, if the president wanted to solve the problem as opposed to keep beating it as a political drum to try to rally his supporters. what is asylum? asylum is a request by a person who are our law has the right to come and say, there are reasons why i cannot stay in my home
country, i am seeking asylum. how do you resolve asylum cases? you resolve them by eventually having somebody appear before an immigration judge to have their case heard. now, if you really wanted to solve this problem, you would double, you would quadruple the number of immigration judges. you would hire more people. you would send them to the border. you would begin to organize a system so people could be quickly processed in a legal and humane way. you would not be separating families and putting babies in cages. [ applause ] you know, we're really good about doing things if we decide we want to do them. you had have enough decent humane housing. you would have people who were in a system -- one of the worst things this administration has
done is to separate those children and have no system that actually would tell you where they are. [ applause ] i mean, i would go to the big tech companies and i would say, okay, you have got, you know, 15 days. give me a system so i can keep track of everybody. imnot going to lose nguyen, no baby, no older person. everybody is going to be in the system. and we are going to have enough judges down there. we are going to have decent housing conditions. and we are going to start hearing those cases. that is what someone who wanted to solve the problem would be doing as opposed to either denying it or political sizing it. and that's what i hope eventually will be done. [ applause ] we will be back with a moment with much more of my interview with hillary clinton from lincoln center. >> we do have the biggest economy, still. we do have the largest military, still. those are important. but what we stand for has always been more important.
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was benjamin netanyahu. do you think that the administration's strategy toward israel, which seems to be to largely accommodate prime minister netanyahu, give him what he wants, recognition of the israeli sovereignty over the golan heights, the move of the embassy, in the hope that this will produce a deal between the palestinians and the israelis, does that strike you as realistic given what you know about bb netanyahu? >> i don't know. we'll find out if there is such a deal ever presented, which it hasn't been yet. but i worked closely with him. and i had a very positive working relationship. and i also was honest with him. he was honest with me. i didn't think it was useful to, you know, pander. i thought it was better to provide our best assessment. you know, i worked with him to
end a hamas attack on israel back in november of 2012. it was really complicated. had to go to jerusalem, meet with him. had to go to ramal and meet with abbas and the palestinians, go back to jerusalem. go to cairo, meet with the then muslim brotherhood president. so i have had a lot of hands-on, first-person experience with him. he's very smart. he's very determined. whether the kinds of actions that this administration has taken will in any way move toward a two-state solution i think is an open question. and i worry that toward the end of the election -- beebe was talking about a necking all of the settlements, which you would start from a very difficult position trying to reach some kind of resolution. i am a very, you know, strong
supporter of israel's security, of israel's democracy. but i also believe that the palestinian people deserve to have more support, more autonomy, more efforts to practice self government. and so -- [ applause ] -- how we get there -- and i -- i watched my husband make an offer to the palestinians on behalf of the barack israel government that if they accepted it they would have had a state now for more than 15 years. but they didn't. i watched during my time in the senate and then as secretary of state with all the efforts that were undertaken not only by the united states to be an honest broker, but by other countries, by the u.n. and none of it has been resolved. so we'll see. he has obviously been reelected. he gets to govern for probably
another five or so years. so let's see if there is any kind of movement. because everyone who cares about israel knows that in the absence of some resolution, you know, the demography is changing. and the palestinian population is increasing far faster than the israeli population. so how do you reconcile that? and that's going to be a real test of leadership. and i hope that everybody is ready for it. >> president trump says in dealing with saudi arabia that you cannot do much more than they have done in pushing on any kind of consequences for the murder of jamal khashoggi because saudi arabia is, at the end of the day, the central banker of the world's oil. if you push saudi arabia too hard oil will go to $250 a barrel, we'll have a recession.
what would you have done, what would you do if you were at the state department today in response to the khashoggi murder? >> well, today it's unfortunately kind of late, isn't it? so if it had been in the immediate aftermath of this brutal murder, which i don't think anyone doubts had to be ordered from the highest levels of the saudi government, there should have been a much stronger response by the united states. we cannot, you know, single handedly in any way reach in and change the saudi government. that's beyond our power to do so. but you can certainly set standards. and the united states historically has been the guarantor of human rights. and of the hope that the countries of the world will, you know, not revert to crass
behavior, including the murder of political opponents or journalists. we stand up against russia when they do it. iran when they do it. china when they do it. and we should have been much more vocal in standing up against the saudis. they finally got around to using sanctions again some of the individual identified personnel. even if you are dealing with a country -- i dealt with companies that commit gross human rights abuses. i negotiated with leaders who were really difficult to sit across from because you knew what their behaviors were. but at the end of the day, the united states has to stand for something besides barbism. we have to stand for a society that is constantly trying to create the institutions that
will support a rule of law, that will support human rights that will, you know, give us the position of leadership in the world to speak out and speak out forcefully. when we retreat from that, and we basically say we are not going to interfere, whatever the excuse is -- i mean, right now the united states has actually surpassed saudi arabia in the production of oil and gas. and we don't need the saudis like we did before. but we want to continue to work with them, but in the on any terms. there has to be some at least rhetorical if not actionable steps taken. i just think that when you retreat from that, when you surrender that, you surrender a lot of our power. you know, we do have the biggest economy, still. we do have the largest military, still. those are important. but what we stand for has always been more important. people have followed us, people
have not wanted to get on the wrong side of us because of what we represent. and when you walk away from that, when you make fun of it, when you deride it, we lose power. this is not just a nice thing to do. this is leverage. this is how we try to create a world of laws, not of strong men. and we try to enforce those views of how the world should work. and the current administration has an affinity toward dictators. they have an affinity toward knocking out all of the institutions that have been built up to restrain nations. i mean, when you blow the top off and say that you are supporting autocrats, dictators, nationalists, you are forgetting the lessons of the 20th century.
we fought the blood just war in human history twice. we dealt with gulags, we dealt with concentration camps. we dealt with the worst that people are capable of doing. why did we set up institutions like nato or the eu? why did we pass something called the universal declaration of human rights? because we wanted to contain those impulses. we wanted people to be held accountable. so when you walk away from that, whether it's in saudi arabia or russia or anywhere else, you are contributing to the unleashing of those very basic, primal instincts. we didn't change human nature by creating this institutional framework. but we contained it. and we set standard for it. and we were able to win a cold
war because people never gave up on freedom and on the hope that they would have a better future. when we recede from that, we recede from america. and we recede from america's power and nunsz in tinfluence i world. and that is a dreadful mistake. last week, tina brown, the founder of women in the world, told me she believes women and men lead differently. i'll ask hillary clinton what she thinks when we come back. don't forget, if you miss a show go to cnn.com/fareed for a link to my eerks tunes podcast. . ♪ -it's all about the big picture. with miguel, our certified financial planner™ professional, we looked at business insurance, our mortgage, even our plans to adopt. -it's not about this fund or that fund -- it's about us. -welcome to our complete freedom plan. -it's all possible with a cfp professional.
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they have different qualities, different -- do you think that's true? do you think the world would be different if it were led by women? >> of course! [ applause ] i don't just say that. i believe it. it's not that every woman would govern differently. we know that. but let's just take the example of the horrific terrorist attack in new zealand. and the response of the prime minister. right? [ applause ] and i had a chance to meet with her about a year ago while she was very pregnant. and we talked about all kinds of things. but we talked about, you know, having a baby when you are in a public position, and how you balance all of that. the things we would talk about
with our friends or in my case with my daughter and her friends now. and she showed the heart not only of a leader, but of a mother. and her reaching out to the muslim community in new zealand sent a message about how leaders should behave in the face of horrific violence conducted for ideological reasons. and i think that that was as strong a signal as we could get that given the chance, many women will govern and lead differently. i want to just end with this story. i just had dinner the other night with ellen johnson surly. the first woman elected president in africa.
she was elected twice to be president in liberia. [ applause ] a country that survived, barely, a terrible civil war. how did that civil war end? it ended because leaders like ellen and others enlisted the women of liberia. the market women. christian and muslim alike. to make it clear they were not going to put up with the war anymore. there was a conference that was called to try to end the civil war that was being held in ghana. no women were involved. no women were invited. so those women, those market women, and their leaders made their way to ghana where they camped out around the building where the were