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>> this has meant so much to me and my family. >> for tiger to get back to the top, the greatest comeback in sports history. >> hard to comprehend right now. >> the public has a right to know whether their president is working in the interest of the country. >> i don't think congress are smart enough to look through president trump's taxes. >> like many of the arguments for this white house, it's chum in the water for their base. >> the whole house was shaking. we came outside and everything was gone. >> the mobile homes either aren't there or so badly mangled you can't recognize what they are. >> i don't know what else to do. i've never been homeless today. good morning everyone. welcome to your "new day." it is monday, april 15th, 8:00 in the east. i'm poppy harlow along with john avlon. we're in for john and alisyn this hour. the story everyone is talking about this morning. tiger woods clinching his fifth
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masters and 15th major title, ending a decade-long championship drought. the embattled sports legend pulling off one of the most stunning comebacks in sports history. >> a dead lay tornado in the southeast u.s. killing eight people. entire communities ripped to shreds, damaging homes, flipping over trailers and downing trees and power lines. cnn's andy scholes has more on tiger woods' epic win. >> reporter: epic win is right, jon. millions of fans all around the world have been waiting so long for this, 11 years, both professional and personal adverse difficult. many people thought tiger woods would never be back on top of the golf world. but he proved all those doubters wrong when he hit the' lu illus 15th major.
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it's a putt that caps off one of the greatest comeback in sports history. 11 years, nearly 4,000 days since his last major victory, tiger woods is a masters champion once again. the 43-year-old walking off the green to delirious cheers and putting on the green jacket for the fifth time. >> did you ever think this day would come and how does it feel? >> i did think it would come, just because of what i did last year. i knew it was in me. did i know it was going to be this week? no. i had a good idea the way i was shaping the golf ball. >> after golfers like president trump and former president obama and golf great jack nicklaus who still holds the record for green jackets with six. the win completing an improbable return to the top after a series of personal scandals that could have been career ending. >> they did not do these things. i did.
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>> and debilitating injuries that took a toll on woods. >> i could barely walk. i couldn't sit, i couldn't lay down. i couldn't do much of anything. >> reporter: woods underwent four back surgeries including spinal fusion in 2017 that prevented him from swinging a golf club for months. the former number one would not quit and is now celebrating another win where he won his first major 22 years ago. woods sharing an emotional motion with his 10-year-old son charlie mirroring the embrace he shared with his late father in 1997. >> you joked that your kids could use the video game golf ever when they had never seen you win a major. what was that like? >> surreal. now i'm the dad with my son doing the same thing. it's amazing how life has evolved and changes. it's hard to comprehend. i wanted a few hours out of the tournament. i'm still trying to enjoy it and
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i know i have the green jacket on, but it's still -- i think it's going to take a little time for it to sink in. >> reporter: speaking with tiger, it seemed like a giant weight has been lifted off his shoulders, guys. i followed him around for much of the weekend. i can't even put into words of how much this means to so many people. i saw hugs, high fives, people were crying when tiger won. it's just hard to describe the emotion that tiger woods brings out in people and that emotion yesterday was just pure joy. >> john loves this story. >> america loves a comeback. that's one for the ages. >> great job getting that sit-down. we'll talk to bob costas coming up. let's turn to politics. house democrats setting a new deadline for the irs to hand over the president's tax returns. sarah sanders with a bizarre new take on why congress should be denied. >> i don't think congress, particularly not this group of congressmen and women are smart
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enough to look through the thousands of pages that i would assume that president trump's taxes will be. my guess is most of them don't do their own taxes and i certainly don't trust them to look through the decades of success that the president has and determine anything. >> joining us to discuss, some very smart people. david gregory, cnn political analyst, ana navarro or political commentator. david gregory, maybe she missed the fact that there are at least ten accountants in congress, ten cpas, brad sherman, who not only is a cpa but taught tax law at a little school called harvard. so what gives? >> you're right. i'm certainly not smart enough to look at his taxes. >> clearly they're not giving them to you, david, but congress is another story. >> i think the argument that sarah sanders makes assumes that the whole country is too stupid to understand these taxes and
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certainly not bright enough to get what her answer is which is nothing but a dodge and a pretty silly one at that. there's obviously expertise on capitol hill to review the president's taxes. this is not what this is about. this is the president who doesn't want his taxes revealed. it's not clear why. what it shows about his holdings, about his business affairs going back decades, but he's been willing to buck all political tradition which he's done in many different ways to keep the taxes hidden. now he's happy to have this fight with congress on the argument that, look, i withheld it during the campaign but i got elected so the american people have spoken about this. ultimately i think the courts will have to speak about this as to whether the president can be compelled to release him. >> they're certainly setting up a court fight. the majority of members of congress are republicans. how are republicans reacting to that attack on the third branch of government and their intelligence? >> well, you know, listen donald
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trump has been bypassing the third branch of government frankly from the moment he got elected. i think it's a mistake. forget republican or democrat. i think because of american elections, because of american voters, because of the need for transparency, because tax returns can tell us so much about the person running and the person who might ultimately be running the u.s. government, it should be a law. it should be required that anybody running for president, certainly anybody nominated by a major party, release their taxes. we need to see what kind of person they are, what charitable contributions they make, if any, what leverage, if any, any organizations or institutions or foreign governments have over them. this is important information for voters to be able to make an informed decision as to who is going to be the leader of the country. it should be law. democrats should pass a law requiring, a bill requiring that any candidate has to release tax
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returns and then punt it over to the senate. let's see what they do. nothing obviously. >> spoiler alert. >> yeah, spoiler alert. >> jonathan martin, if we can switch gears. a fascinating story. it was weeks ago cnn had the town hall with buttigieg. your colleague, alex burns in the times says it's a fascinating deep dive this morning about him. laying out high diametrically opposite he is to the current president, but a potential achille's heel. short on specifics, a good fund-raiser, a million bucks in the last 24 hours or so. what's your read? >> he's trying to imitate not the current president, but the past president. this is i think an intentional homage who personally avoided ideological categorization when
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he ran -- >> jonathan, forgive me for interrupting. let's listen to the two of them side by side and then you can pick it up on the other side. >> i recognize the audacity of doing this as a midwestern millennial mayor. more than a little bold at age 37 to seek the highest office in the land. >> i recognize that there is a certain presumption in this, audacity to this announcement. i learned i haven't spent a lot of times learning the ways of washington. but i've been there long enough to know that the ways of washington must change. >> jonathan, go for it. >> it's pretty intentional homage. it's not just obama, by the way. every president in modern history has tried to cast themselves as a washington outsider who is unsullied by the ways of the beltway, who wanted
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to tame washington. nothing new. the generational call and embracing the so-called audacity of running as a younger person is very similar to the obama pitch. a little tougher in a field this big. i think it's still a long bay to go for him, but certainly he's gotten further sooner than many people expected in the race. what i'm curious about is two things. first of all, how does he hold off when he's attacked especially from the left on what you called a lack of ideas and candidacy and secondly, how does he appeal to non-white voters in the democratic primary who are not following this race ten months out, who don't live online. that's going to be, i think, his real test. >> can i underscore, i think what jonathan says is important around the generational argument. i think what is so compelling about buttigieg is that generational argument. he's so smart to try to channel
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obama because this is someone who was a force in democratic politics who is last up who also assembled the kind of coalition for democrats that he, buttigieg, or any democrat would like to replicate and that hillary clinton could not. and that's the key point. the last time this was really successful and durable is when obama did it. i think his policy thinness right now doesn't matter. people don't vote on specific policy areas unless it's galvanizing specific voters around a particular issue. right now people are taking his measure. he's also talking about, not just a generational argument, about his generation being affected by issues in the world, but how he wants to try to restore the american dream, restore jobs, restore a sense of hope to people who have been left out by this economy. those are important arguments right now. >> ana, i want your take on the
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controversy between president trump and representative ilhan omar. both the president politicizing 9/11 and representative omar's own comments which democrats are rushing to defend right now. >> the entire thing is horrible. it is horrible that 9/11, such suffering, such death, such distress for so many family and all america, frankly, should be used and exploited in order to advance a political agenda. let's talk about first congressman omar. she's a congresswoman, she's no longer a community activist. and she's one of the first muslim women in congress. there's going to be added scrutiny on her because of that. there's also added notoriety. there's pros and advantages to being the first. i think she has got to understand that responsibility. she's got to know that there is a huge magnifying glass over her and she has got to be very careful about what she says and how she speaks because it's going to be picked over. that's on her.
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that's on her to accept that responsibility. but as far as trump, i just can't even fathom his level of hypocrisy and inappropriateness. let's remember donald trump's own history with 9/11. this is a guy who lied about seeing muslims celebrating in the streets of new jersey right after 9/11. this is a guy who lied about being on site cleaning up rubble. this is a guy who applied for small business aid funds in new york after 9/11. time and time again he has exploited the 9/11 for his personal gain, and it is wrong. it is wrong. 9/11 is a date of reverence. it should be a sacred date for all americans. it's a date of suffering and a date to reflect and a date to unify and not to divide americans. this entire thing needs to stop. >> jonathan, i'm interested in what you think we see going forward from the democratic
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party. so many of the biggest names in the party have run to her defense on this, ones that were not -- were very quick to condemn her words on israel. >> i'm not terribly surprised, once president trump is involved, that leads to a natural rallying effect, especially when he lobs such an incendiary attack. it's a little fascinating to watch the various democrats and how fast they moved and what exactly they said because obviously congressman omar has made some comments herself about jewish americans that are controversial. i think there was a little bit of hesitation among some people in the party. once the president has done what he has done, that is going to sort of bring democrats to her side. i was in minneapolis last week, and i can tell you talking to democrats there, there was a sense that she could have a real primary challenge next year because every time the president goes after her, that lessens the
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chance she could use in the primaries because there will be less of an opening for democrats to oppose her because the president is against her. >> that's interesting. >> what we see here on both sides of this is an opportunity to make an important point that gets totally lost because of how it's communicated. congresswoman omar was making a very important point about what it was like to be a mugs limb in america after 9/11. how many muslims were targeted including by politicians like donald trump who continue to be targeted by politicians including donald trump. she also in making that point, the way she said it, didn't show the reverence for 9/11 that i think is be fitting anyone in america, certainly a member of congress. and she deserves to be called out for that. but in the way that president trump did it, it completely obliterates that point of calling her out and makes her a target of violence and con
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phthalates wh conflates what she said. that's what we use in this political dialogue, an ability to call somebody out, to make a legitimate point by complete overstatement. >> an important point. ana, you made "saturday night live" this weekend. let's get your reaction. take a look. >> he is a good person. this is paul rudd at 50 and this is steven miller as a baby. >> what was it like watching that? >> i'm too old to be up watching "saturday night live" so i didn't find out about it until post facto. for a long time, latinos have been wanting more representation on tv and certainly on "saturday night live" which is such an iconic program. i was so happy that melissa
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played me, a terrific comedian who was there. i have been asking for latina representation for so long, when she's there spoofing me, i lost my right to be bothered or complain. i think it's great. unlike donald trump, i am very willing to take it all in good fun and a good ribbing, and we can all laugh at it and laughter is good for the soul, and also what donald trump is doing on the border is nasty and is horrible and needs to stop. >> laughter is good for the soum. ana, i went to bed at 7:45 on saturday night. i'm sure you were awake later than i was. >> bedtime confessions. >> i'm so tired for "game of thrones" last night, i need to go sleep after this. >> thank you all very much. we appreciate it. much more on tiger woods' epic comeback.
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this, bob costas, the award winning sportscaster and current host on the m lnchlb network. steph curry calls it the greatest comeback in storts. tennis phenom serena williams saying she was crying and it was like no other. how big is this? >> it's tremendously big even from an objective standpoint, without his level of stardom, it's amazing. less than two years ago he was ranked -- this is accurate -- 1,199th in the world. now he's on top of the world. leave all the personal scandal aside, four major back surgery. he himself, always a picture of confidence, said at one time he doubted he could ever play again let alone at the highest possible level. when you factor in how iconic he was, not necessarily be loved, but you couldn't take your eyes
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off him. his career achievements don't match that of jack anymonicklau. the cameras were always on him, win or lose. if you beat him, the victory was greater because of who you beat. he, himself, won an extraordinary amount of tournaments and majors in which he was entered. then the trap door opens and he plummets all the way to the bottom. you have to look at how iconic he was. someone who doesn't know a pitch on the golf course knows who tiger woods is. it's that kind of thing. it isn't just the statistics of it or the improbability of it. it's the fact that this guy was known to virtually everybody,
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fell off the radar screen in terms of being able to compete and rose all the way back. >> you are so right. i'm that person you're talking to, by the way, who doesn't know a thing about golf but always knew tiger. you're so right. i wonder, bob, what you think it is about tiger woods specifically that generates such excitement. we know america loves a comeback story. what is it about him? >> well, again, the raw achievements aside, there was something magnetic and charismatic about him. you can't overlook the fact that in what historically had been a lily white sport, he burst onto the scene and at 21 he wins his first masters in 1997 and wins it in dominant fashion. after that he did extraordinary things. virtually everybody says that talentwise, players in the game, talentwise at his best, no one approached him. now he doesn't lap the field in that respect. he has others who can compete at his level, but he's back in the
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mix whereas previously he had been off the radar. it looked like when he won his 14th major in 2008, winning the u.s. open, it looked like only a matter of time until he over took jack nicklaus's record of 18. now, 11 years since his last major, people thought, well, he'll never win another major again. now he's back in that mix. the u.s. open and the pga this year are at pebble beach and bethpage, places where he's won majors before. he's right back in the mix. i think the thing you would compare it to, you can talk about george foreman, retired in 1977, came back and won the heavyweight title in mid 40s. mariel lemieux, probably the best in hockey since wayne get see, a cancer diagnosis cost him most of two seasons. game back with the pittsburgh penguins and won the scoring championship and an mvp, but
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they. >> reporter: not quite as top of the tier iconic as someone like michael jordan. i think the best comparison here is for michael jordan who for personal reasons leaves after winning three straight mvp titles, leaves in the mid '90s, misses two seasons, comes back and wins three more in a row and retiring yet again from the bulls. i think that's the closest comparison between that and tiger woods. >> that's saying a lot. you brought up jack nicklaus. he's at 18. tiger at 15. what does jack nicklaus have to say? he's got me shaking in my boots. should he? >> jack has always been very gracious about tiger. there was a time, a decade or more ago, where jack said matter-of-factly, i expect tying tore break my record. most people expected tiger to get into the 20s and zoom right past jack's 18. now i think he's got a shot.
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where he is now is he's among a handful, maybe a dozen or so guys that you'd always think of every time going into a major as having a shot whereas previously it was tiger and then the rest of the field. everybody was chasing tiger. now he's in the mix and that's enough. it's extraordinary enough to get back to where he is now. >> there's just something even more beautiful about the high, isn't there, bob, when you've hit the low? for so many people that hit a high like this, they haven't really felt the depths. >> in america this has been said many, many times, america loves a comeback story. if you do your penance publicly which he has had to do, plus you can't underestimate the physical challenges, four major back surgeries plus other injuries and difficulties. he couldn't even practice for a long period of time. he's accepted responsibility. he's gone through a form of public hell, even if it was
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self-imposed. so america loves that kind of thing. then you also have to look at him. again, the comparison is to michael jordan. before michael jordan ever won an nba mvp, before tiger woods began reeling off major victories, they had star quality. there was something immediately charismatic about them. if you had never watched a golf match or never been to an nba game and sat down with the best vantage point and you could see everybody, your eyes would automatically go to them. it's an ineffable quality but you know it when you see it. >> you certainly do. bob costas, as i said, no better voice. thank you forgetting up early for us. >> thanks, poppy. >> nothing better. president trump says he wants to release undocumented mieg grantsz into sanctuary cities. what do mayors in those cities have to say about it? he eel ask one next.
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president trump says he has a new plan for the border crisis. >> we'll bring them to sanctuary
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city areas and let that particular area take care of it, whether it's a state or whatever it might be. they say we have open arms. they always say we have open arms. >> joining us is michael hancock, mayor of denver, a sanctuary city itself. mayor hancock, thanks for joining us on "new day." what's your response? >> glad to be with you. we listened to it. we saw it. just as all the rhetoric around our migrants at the border and immigrants in this country, it's very disappointing. once again the president has shown his hand, his uses this issue as a political issue as opposed to an issue of humanity. one of which we've approached it as, an issue of humanity. it's unfortunate he's using the migrants as political pawns. >> just to be clear, are you saying you would accept any migrants who were bused to
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denver as mayors of chicago and denver have said? >> we have always said we'd be a welcoming city for folks seeking asylum. we recognize many of these people are fleeing violence in their own countries. i've had my city attorney at the border to look at the crises, to have conversations and understand what's happening at the border. she came back and shared the story of a man with his wife and five children fleeing honduras, they left their home, two cars, pets, clothes, because they feared for their safety. they recognized it was either doing this amazing act to try to save his family or quite simply die there in honduras. i've got to tell you, folks, this is a question of humanity. it's a crisis in terms of what's going on in those countries and people are seeking freedom and quite frankly, safety. we as a country, this is written into who we are as a nation. we've got to finds a way to more
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logistically and more intelligently and with more compassion address this issue. >> there's the word logistics. as a practical matter, do you have the capacity to handle the surge of migrants if they were bused by the administration from the border into denver? >> obviously there's a scale. we've got to know what this really means. that's the one thing the president hasn't done. he's used this as a political threat, as a way to undermine the words that we as mayors have used very sincerely and genuinely as we try to execute a city that is compassionate. we need to better understand what the president is talking about. we've always said our values would be open and welcoming and inclusive and do everything we can to help them begin the process of assimilating to the united states of america. logistically this doesn't scene seem like a tenable strategy to be had by the white house. >> president trump says he has the legal right to do this. apparently the council, the department of homeland security
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disagreed with the white house. where do you come down and what do you intend to do about it? >> here is the reality. i'm grateful for those leaders in homeland security who actually stood up and said, mr. president, not only is this logistically impossible, we question the legality of this. our city attorneys as well question the legality of this maneuver by the president. in reality, we encourage the president to do, to work with congress to come up with a more sensible strategy in dealing with the migrants at the border as well as immigrants in our country, stop this rhetoric, we're losing time, and these %-p balance. this doesn't make any sense. it defies leadership is the real reality here. as mayors, we can't get away with this gamesmanship that the president decides he wants to play with people's lives. we need the president, we need congress to act a little more responsibly on this issue so people don't have their lives hanging in the balance and
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cities aren't sitting there questioning what's really going to happen. >> mayor hancock of denver, thank you for joining us on "new day." ahead, she was the getaway driver in a brazen crime that killed three people including two police officers. now decades later she's getting a chance at freedom. will she be freed? that is next. my experience with usaa
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name. no product has suffered like this one. but again, what the hell do i know? boeing pushing airlines into canceling flights, american through august 19th. about 115 flights a day canceled. last week southwest extended flight cancellations until august. boeing announced it was cutting back production from 52 a month to 42. meanwhile testing continues on the plane's software update. sitting the ethiopian air crash, stock down 24%. the company lost $24 billion from its market cap, guys. >> wow. this is a herculean turnaround if they can do it. i know you'll stay on it. judith clark was convicted of murder in the deaths of three people including two police officers in an armored truck robbery in 1941. nearly 40 years later show could be granted parole. >> getting national attention.
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a lot of people wondering what could happen. the decision could come as early as today. advocates for clark says she's the model example of what rehabilitation can do for a person bliel in prison. there are a number of people who say releasing her would set the wrong example. >> more than three decades, but in all that time, few here in rockland county, located about an hour north of new york city will ever forget what happened that violent day on october 20th, 1981. >> seems like it was yesterday. >> back then michael page was a 16-year-old teenager, his father peter a brinks security guard. his father and two nayak police officers were killed during a robbery. the heist carried out by the weather underground and the black liberation army. those connected to the crime have served or are continuing to serve severe sentences including judith clark who at the time was a young mother and also a
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getaway driver for the robbery. clark called herself a freedom fighter during her trial and demanded to represent herself. then refused to show up for court. a judge sentenced her to 75 years to life on felony murder charges, but that was not the end of her story. early in her incarceration she was put in solitary confinement after prison authorities found letters detailing her escape plan. now after nearly 40 years behind bars clark and her supporters say she is not the woman she once was. >> there have been generations of youngsters who have come in here and said, well, you were down with the real thing. i was like no, i was a knucklehead just like you were. i had a different rhetoric. beware when we think we're so right that we don't have to think about who is at the other end of our anger. >> clark has trained service dogs used by law enforcement, taught prenatal care and created an aids counseling problem while becoming a chaplain behind bars.
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a web page set up by her family on her behalf lists a number of supporters including state and local leaders who say she has been rehabilitated and should be paroled. for her part clark says she is remorseful for the role she played that led to the deaths of three people. >> i could use that time to begin to ask myself who am i and what do i really feel and how in the world did i leave my 11-month-old baby in her crib and tell her i'd be back and go off and rob a brinks truck? how did i do that? >> in 2016 new york governor andr andrew cuomo commuted her sentence allowing her to be eligible for parole 39 years ahead of schedule. >> it allows her to go before the board and make her case and then the board which are experts in making these determinations will hear the case and they will
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decide whether or not they believe she should be released. >> in 2017 the parole board rejected her first bid. the victims' family members say she should stay behind bars. each year since the crime, they hold a memorial service in nayak, new york, to honor those no longer here. >> the worst day of my life. dad, we miss you and we love you. >> clark's attorneys have submitted statements from some 2,000 people who support her release, that includes religious leaders, politicians like congresswoman ocasio-cortez. her fate rests in the hands of three people who are part of a parole panel. i spoke to a representative from corrections who has been there for many, many years. he says given this case, given its history, it's very difficult for them to predict what's going to happen next.
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>> wow, it's fascinating and important to also hear from the family members of those victims. >> they are outraged. >> jason, great reporting. thank you so much. ahead, this is really fascinating. georgetown students are voting to create a rep rations fund for the descendants of slaves sold by the school to basically pay off georgetown's debt. we'll ask the university if they're going to enforce it. that's ahead. she can stay with you to finish her senior year. things will be tight but, we can make this work. ♪ now... grandpa, what about your dream car? this is my dream now. principal we can help you plan for that . into your own little world.k
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welcome back to "new day." georgetown university students are trying to institute a reparations fund for 272 slaves sold by the school more than 180 years ago, sold to pay off georgetown's debt. with me now the women behind this, the georgetown students who spearheaded it, hannah michael and maya moretta. it's remarkable what you've done here. you had i believe 60% of those
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voting in favor, 38% of the student body participated in this vote. maya, let me begin with you. tell us where the idea came from. >> so the idea just came from seeing that we have abilities to create change throughout the student body with our own choices. we realize if this is a priority for the student body, we should be able to implement this and the student body showed out and showed this is something they care about. >> the payment from each student would be $27.70. a symbolic number for those 272 slaves that were sold. the university, though, has to sign off and has to enact this. what are the chances that will happen? >> we as student activists and all the students who voted on this referendum, trust the board of directors and university
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administration will respect our commitment to the work we're doing. we as stuntsz by voting have committed to pursuing reconciliation with community and we've financially committed to this cause. it's up to the university to honor that commitment. >> the university put out a statement and says any student ref wren do you believe provides a sense of the student body's views, they do not create university policy and are not binding on the university. what do you do, maya, if georgetown says no? >> i think this is just -- it will be extremely upsetting if georgetown said no because the student body showed what they want to spend their own money on and what they truly care about. to be honest, i think that the board of directors is going to listen to us. i think there's no ability for them to ignore such a historic vote and such a large number of turnout. if the board of directors
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decides not to go along with this, i think there's going to be a large upset on campus. i think students are really engaged with this topic. >> let me read some of the pushback. one person talked to cnn, hunter estes writes morally i'm opposed to mandating an entire student population to pay a compulsory fee. you can't attach a financial number to the problem of slavery. you can't say this will account for it. do you think he has a point? >> i think he definitely does have a point. our work is not intending to put a numerical value on the lives or legacies of slavery of enslavement. what we're seeking to do is create a resource. that resource needs to be funded and that funding is coming from student fees. the referendum creates a resource available for descendants to realize to create the foundation for work in the future. >> just build on that. how would this money -- if approved by the youths, every student from now going forward, this would start, i assume, perhaps in the fall, paying this
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amount. what would you do with the money? >> so the board which delegates the money consists of five students and five ze sen dents that would be democratically elected. those ten people would come together and decide how to create a project, they would work with communities to determine what projects or initiatives communities felt were most relevant to them. >> maya, one thing i find interesting is the parallel to the national conversation on reparations. we just had senator cory booker on from new jersey who, of course, is a 2020 contender, whose put forth legislation for discussion on the national level about reparations for all descendants of slaves in america. is your hope here not only to deal with your university's history but america's history? >> i think that honestly, when we were coming up with this idea, we wanted to focus on the
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descendants that we could aid and we could really pay back. but i also do think this is an amazing opportunity for other university to get involved, for other universities to take responsibility for their own history and other students to take responsibility for the privilege that they gain because of the oppression of other people. but if this does become a national conversation, it would be amazing for this to be the first step. >> we appreciate you being with us. coming back on the program and let us know what the university decides. it's really interesting, right, to see what georgetown does? >> such a key conversation to have. good to be with you avalon. "newsroom" with ana cabrera picks up after this. -we bought a house in a neighborhood
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