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welcome to i-polltition. i'm john king. thank you for sharing your day with us. house democrats issue new subpoenas asking several banks for records about the president's finances. it's proof there are some investigations just starting even as we await thursday's release of the special counsel's report. plus, new details today for the first set of figure fund-raising reports for the candidates running for president. the republican incumbent gibbs with a giant money edge, and one big test for the democrats is whether they can match the president's strength with small donors. and paris turns from flames and horror to the challenge of securing and rebuilding a global treasure. the fire at notre dame unites leaders from every corner of the globe and parisiennes who live in the shadow of the now scarred cathedral. >> honestly i must say it looks better than i thought.
the firemen did work very good. >> when i saw the first pictures, i thought it was a hoax honestly. >> i -- i got out of the building i was in, and it was nearby so i went to see it with my own eyes. i just couldn't believe it. >> and we begin there, the solemn day and the solemn scene in paris right now. firefighters, as you can see, working to better understand the damage to a global landmark, the 850-year-old notre dame cathedral. today's work is cautious, methodical, a contrasting scene to yesterday's chaotic inferno that parisiennes and the world watched with horror. today the two iconic bell towers, the flying buttresses, they are safe. the grand windows and the crown of thorn, the original organ safe, but so much of the roof structure, the beams gone and the famous spire fallen. the process of removing several other precious artifacts from
the fire is under way and numerous items must remain inside for a while while the safety of the structure is still being examined. melissa bell joins us from outside of the cathedral. melissa, what do we know about what is happening now as they try to assess the structural risk? >> reporter: let me just show you behind me, john, what's going on here outside that iconic facade of north dame cathedral, its gothic experience and gargoyles and stone work, largely still intact, and when we were watching this fire consume the roof of the cathedral yesterday, it would have been unimaginable that so much of it would be standing intact. we're coming up to the 24-hour period. you can see here that the cranes are there and up towards the structure we've been watching the firefighters outside at the very top of thosers to today assessing the damage. we're told and we're hearing from the authorities that it will take probably another day to establish that the edifice is
absolutely sound, but we've also been hearing that with just half an hour longer, if that fire that after all raged for nine hours long overnight, it lasted even another half hour, the whole structure might have been far more compromised, may even have collapsed entirely. clearly that wasn't the case has real changed the emotions of the crowds. very vast crowds that continue to pour in here to see for themselves. it was horror. it was shock. it was sadness, and that has really turned to a great deal of relief, but, still, this very strong emotion, and that will be expressed in a short while at the 24-hour mark. 6:50 local time, 50 minutes time the cathedrals around france will be ringing their bells, john, to mark the moment when the fire so spectacularly consumed the roof of the building. >> a flitting tribute. melissa, please stay with us. let's bring in our senior vatican analyst john allen and
coby carp also here to join the conversation. john, i want to start with you. so often when we go to our correspondents at the vatican it's because of a conspiracy. today you have world leaders, queen elizabeth, chinese president xi jinping, a tragic event and one that's brought the world together at the same time. your thoughts today? >> well, john, you're absolutely right. i actually wrote a piece for the news site that i right "crux" this morning. the headline of which we're all parisiennes now. i have been struck, i think all of us have been, by the -- the unsolicited outpouring of first shock and horror, but then complete solidarity not only with the catholic church in france but with paris and with all of france as it struggles to come to terms with this, and what's underneath, that john, is a recognition that the cathedral of notre dame, although it is a
functioning catholic church and one of the immediate questions is where the thousands of catholics who were planning to be there on holy thursday, where they are going to go now and all that has to be sorted out, but from an artistic and cultural point of view it's also part of the patrimony of humanity. it's the kind of thing that does bring people together. >> coby, help us understand in light of what we just heard from melissa that the experts think that if this fire had gone on for 30 more minutes, the entire structure could have been compromised. we now know, we see what is left intact. take us through your thoughts on the rebuilding process. obviously those wood beams cannot be replaced. how do you come at the giant challenge ahead? >> so we're very lucky that the foundation and the masonry structure, which is the base of the cathedral, is substantially intact, and that helps us to come back and rebuild and resurrect the wood frame structure above and bring the roof frame back to its original
glorious volumes. this is a sculptural, gorgeous piece of architecture, a unique piece that's gorgeous and being celebrated by all of people who have come there from around the world, both inside and outside, so now we have an opportunity to come back and rebuild it, not only to rebuild it, but rebuild it to today's means and methods and hopefully an opportunity to create a fire and life safety sis them a will help us to make sure that this never ever happens again. this is a glorious masterpiece of architecture that has been celebrated for hundreds of year, and the opportunity now is to bring it back and res treasury secretary to the way it was. it will take some time, and it there take some money, but we really do have an opportunity to do that. >> and melissa, to that point, one of the heartwarming things this this horrible 24-hour period has been the outpouring of support and the pledges of enormous sums of money to help with that rebuilding. update us on that. >> reporter: that's right.
just to be clear, john, it is going to take a lot of time and a lot of money. we've been hearing from experts, heritage experts, who say this is going to cost billions of dollars, and it's going to take not years but decades to complete the restoration of the cathedral and try and get it back to something like its former glory. as you say, so much outpouring of emotion over the course of the last 24 hours and, of course, very concrete pledges of financing already within that 24-hour period. let me just give you a few examples. lvmh, $226 million pledged. the pinault family, $113 million and l'oreal, $226 million and total $113 million. we'll be coming up at the end of today a very substantial amount of money. it will take a lot more. the french president will be holding a meeting to launch the beginning of an official fund-raising drive to try to attract as much of that funding
as they can and really spread in a sense the privilege of contributing to this as widely as possible. that's something that we've been hearing a lot from the faithful who have gathered here over the course of the last 24 hours but also people from other faiths and people who are here for other reasons who have come to see because for historic reasons this mattered so much to them as french people or as foreigners, this is something that they wanted to see. so many of them have said that they will be contributing to that effort on however small a scale, to try and help paris to recover and try and restore notre dame to something like it was just 24 hours ago. >> the privilege, that's a great word. john allen, i want to come back to you and that point. this challenge before the world, the catholic church and global community, you mentioned the hardship of this happening, the horror of this happening during holy week, but you also wrote this morning that in some ways there's an opportunity? >> yeah, absolutely. i mean, holy week is sort of the
biggest -- it is the most sacred and, therefore, the best attended and most celebrated moment on the christian calendar every year. that's certainly true for the catholic church. i would imagine all around the catholic world, john, as these holy week ceremonies unfold, particularly once we get into the weekend, we have the vigil mass on saturday and the sunday mass, easter mass. you will be seeing special collections taken up. you will be seeing priests from the pulpit encouraging people to be generous in response to this global fund-raising campaign. i mean, the cathedral of notre dame, first of all, you know, there's a strike percentage of catholics all around the world who have been there at least once because it's touch a draw as a pilgrimage site. even if you have it, it lives in your imagination. it's one of those things that plugs at the catholic heart strings and whether it's a catholic fund-raising campaign section police it, i think it will be happening spontaneously at the grass roots all around
the world and i would expect it to be substantial. >> we'll return to this story a bit later in the program. thanks for all getting us started. the president spoke with the french president emmacron as well as the effort goes forward. we'll trourn this a bit later. a crowded group of politics compete fog 2020 money. we're diving deep into the democratic financial report. that's next. there are a lot of snack bars out there. what makes a kind bar so special? maybe it's the whole nuts and real fruit. maybe it's the drizzle of dark chocolate.
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the first real votes still months away, but what some in politics call the first primary or the first big test anyway is over. presidential contenders were required to file first-quarter fund-raising reports with the federal election commission by yesterday, monday. at the top of the heap, the president, president donald trump. he raised more than $30 million total. that's from individual donors, commit and the war chest of the republican party. no democrat coming anywhere close to that fund-raising haul. the democratic national committee sending out this email with the we must keep pace in
subject lines. in all caps the dnc pleads trump has raised more money for his re-election than any other president in modern history. it's all hands on deck to beat him and his fund-raising machine in 2020. that's the democrats' take. with me to their their reporting and their insights, julie pace, call haus, aylanor shore and you've been going through all of these reports. what's the big takeaway. we note president is an incumbent. we know he'll raise a lot of money and he started early, and his numbers are wow. what's the flip side for the democrats? >> well, the democrats, bernie sanders leads that field at this point, but that's actually no surprise, right? he ran for the presidency in 2016. he has a big small donor base that he relied upon. the thing that's really striking is how many candidates there are and the struggle that the lower tier is having raising money. >> and to that is people don't know them. >> yes. >> some will say democrats will
wait this out and keep some money on the sidelines until they get a sense of whether this is a good investment. early reports with newcomers toss national politics is what they call in politics the burn rate. you're raising x but what are you spending, and does your spending, where is it in comparison? i want to give you an important context. you'll see this chart here. what they spent in the first quarter versus how much money they raised in campaign speak, it's a burn rate. let's put up the numbers here this. does not count kamala harris, klobuchar, for example, the senators have existing campaign money. they can transfer that over. this is an apples-to-apple comparison of here's what you raised from donors last quarter and here are individual donors and here's what you spent. if you look at the numbers here, who is worried and who is doing it right? >> would i say a couple of people to be worried about, one would be elizabeth warren whose burn rate is incredibly high. now her campaign counter is that they are really building out a large organization. they have got about 170 staffers so they are plunging their money into people who will be on the
ground works will help them in these early states. she will really have to keep pace with those expenditures if she will keep that amount of people on the ground through the early primaries and can bees. another one i would actually be interested in seeing what happens in quarter two is pete buttigieg who didn't spend that much money. he is in this situation where he got this big influx of cash because he is having a bit of a moment right now. the challenge for these candidates who have these boomlets you have to figure out how to take that attention and media attention and build out organization to support it and maintain it. he has the cash. what is he going to do with it? what kind of organization is he going to build around him? that will be his big question. >>ics were and mortar staff in the key primary states early on and how much do you spend time in advertising thinking it will raisior money and poll numbers? it's a tough challenge, a decent number but modest. another big test for the democrat, most of whom have said no big money, no pac money, no corporate pac money is can you like bernie sanders does, can
you like president trump does, raise money from small donors, 20, 30 bucks a pop. it's great, you got them. go back to the well and keep them engaged through your digital communications and you have not only money but have them on the field. small donor fund raising among the 2020 candidates. the percentage of the contributions coming in that are less than $200, and bernie sanders off the charts. andrew yang not raising a ton of money but it's coming from small donors. elizabeth warren, a good number. buttigieg and you see the rest there. john hickenlooper at the low end, 10% of his money, cory booker and kirsten gillibrand in the teens. is that -- is it fair to say that that is a reflection of disappointment or lack of a grass roots organization? >> well, for somebody like booker potentially, i mean, we saw him draw fewer spectators at his own kickoff rally as pete buttigieg did on sunday. this is a former mayor and a sitting senator with a national profile who got land by buttigieg in crowd counts so you have to look at that small
dollar number and be worried because he will eel need grass roots support to run the kind of campaign. gillibrand overall is in trouble but booker small dollar number is not great for him long term. >> and to the bernie point, from rufus gifford, obama's former finance director, what's happening right now and i think it's a brilliant political strategy is no candidate can touch him by raising the money the way he raises it, continuing to see bernie sanders with a massive financial advantage. have you to think that gives him a leg up on any other campaign. in my mind the other campaigns are walking into that trap, accepting we'll do this from small donors. we went through this some in 2016 when people said this guy is not going last, can't sustain this. guess, what he lasted and sustained it. the question is can he do it a second time? >> right. small donors matter, and i think that's pretty northern because it shows that there are people out there who are listening to you, and whether he can sort of last in this enormous field remains to be seen because people can catch fire. i mean, pete buttigieg caught
fire. i mean, he is in some ways sort of in beto o'rouke's lane. >> right. >> so the problem with this small dollar argument though is that there are very small number of candidates who can raise the amount of money that bernie sanders can from only small donors. warren is placing this bet that she will be table do this by saying she won't do any big dollar fund-raising and won't spend any of her time doing fund-raising and donor events or donor maintenance. most of these candidates will not be able to sustain themselves through had a long competitive primary without doing the kind of big dollar fund-raising that we'll see with a joe biden. >> i was going to bring in joe biden who is not part of any of this. the second quarter, when we get the next set of reports, we'll having a biden conversation, we assume. there's always a lull fun or poking at the end of these. many democrats are raising money off the president's number saying you've got to get us money and cory booker tried to raise money off of john delaney who is a businessman and given a big chunk of his own money.
cory booker said we found out one of the other democrats has given $11 million to his own campaign. self-funding something cory can't and never would do. the delaney campaign enjoying the attention saying if i had booker's numbers i'd go negative too. the press secretary was asked about this and he goes huh. >> i'm not sure what you're talking about. we're not taking swipes at other candidates. we need a democratic party that shows how you run campaigns in this democratic party field by respecting people you're running against, and so i'm going to continue to conduct myself in that manner. >> you might want to check in with his fund-raising folks. >> i think that senator sanders is a big ben fish riff having run a successful to some extent campaign last time so he's able to build on that. actually elizabeth warren's staffing number that you referred, to i was really astounded when i heard that.
so she's put in place a big staff and maybe that will produce money for her. i think we talk about the large field and we talk about there's a long way to go, but you can't have two bad quarters here. >> right. >> i think this will quickly eliminate some people if they show they can't rates kind of money to stay competitive. unfortunately, we still consider fund raising to be a big gauge of credibility, and if you can't produce fast here, people going to say you're not going to work. i've got to find somebody else. >> now you have the second-quarter test for them and the first set of debate and those two things will be a reset. 18 candidates, joe biden would be 19, might be one or two more out there, and then we're getting addition. after the next quarter first debates we'll have subtractions. the countdown of the mueller report is on and the democrats and republicans are not waiting to send messages. hi dad. no. don't try to get up. hi, i'm julie, a right at home caregiver. and if i'd been caring for tom's dad, i would have noticed some dizziness that
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the pluler report wimueller drop on thursday and the pre-spin will be fierce to the end. no collusion, no obstruction the president tweeting this morning. if the president has his way, you'll care less about what robert mueller found and more about how the fbi launched the russia investigation to begin with, a scam, the president calls it, started by dirt devils. those are the president's words. house democrats have a pre-mueller message today, too, and it is this. the special counsel may be done, but we are just getting started.
the house intelligence and financial services committees hit multiple banks connected with the president's finances with subpoenas that seek information about loans made to the trump organizations and documents congress wants to see if those banks did business with suspected money launderers. cnn's aby philip joins the conversation and to the point of the subpoenas we start with the focus from the house democrats essentially saying we're still here and we'll be here for a long time. eric trump, the president's son who runs the trump organization saying the subpoenas went out to deutsche bank, jpmorgan chase, citigroup and says this subpoena is an unprecedented abuse of power and it an attempt to attack the president and our family for political gain. he goes on to say things they should be legislating and the white house, i know the president is trying to pre-cook us for the mueller report. they understand that that is just one chapter that the cloud of investigation is with them. >> yeah, and i think that's why they are reacting so strongly against all of these things because they believe that if you sort of give them an inch they
are going to take a mile. that's how they are approaching this whole thing, and so it starts with the mueller report, and -- and essentially not -- they have already been saying there's no collusion, no obstruction, but now they are in a position where they have to continue to fight the mueller report because there is will be something in this report that they know is probably not going to be that flattering to the president and might fuel other investigations that are being launched or already exist on capitol hill, and you're already seeing the president sort of deploying a whole universe of lawyers to kind of go after all of these different elements of the different probes, and it's a little bit like how the president typically operated when he was a private citizen as a business -- as a business owner. he was well nope to be very litigious, going after people, threatening, don't do this or we'll pursue legal action, and they are literally applying that same standard to congress and it's going to be a huge, huge fight. this is a president who has tons
and tons of resources to do it, so it's not going to be easy by any stretch of the imagination, but they don't want to give even a little bit to the democrats on any of these fronts. >> whether it's taxes or finances here. there will be other ones as well. back to the mueller report in the sense that the president is the also trying to convince you don't bother. don't bother there. owes nothing there for you to see. sorry, mr. president, we expect quite a bit for us to see and quite a bit from robert mueller and the question is how much is redacted? among the big questions what did or didn't the president know, the can't date, the extent of russian interference tactics, that's important for the 2016 campaign and forward, what did investigators discover related to the obstruction question which mueller punted on, didn't find evidence of a crime but is not exonerating and his other conclusion of other big questions. to the first line what, did or didn't the candidate, now the president know, russians who promised dirt. maybe it wasn't collusion and way outside the norms, many
would say unethical and unacceptable and what about michael flynn's dealings? a lot of potentially damaging things to the president here. >> there are a lot of people around the president who talked to bob mueller and how much of their assessments and how many of their names are going to be in the reports. i do think that one of the reports is going to be really interesting about this is we do know so much already. we really do, and there will be remarkable discussions in this report about things that are already pubically known. how much is brand new? are there new episodes we don't know about, particularly on the question of obstruction. are there things behind the scene, barr talks about in his summary, possible obstruction that played out in public and things that happened behind the scenes that we don't know about and how many of trump's own advisers went in there and point the finger and that's something that the white house is looking for. >> mueller, a man with considerable experience, the fbi director viewed by most as the adult. does he connect dots that
haven't been connected and does he disconnect dots that they tried to connect as we put this together from the court fueling. as we jump into the conversation i want to bring this in. joe lockhart, the former clinton press secretary said what are you going to do on mueller report day, i plan to talk my lawn cooler and cooler of beer to read it at end of ken starr's driveway, the special counsel in the clinton administration. not a lot of love lost. >> i think we'll learn some new things. i think there's going to be new material and it's going to be presented in a prosecutorial way as to why they didn't reach certain conclusions. everything we see from the white house suggests that we know there's things that will be really bad for the president but they have done a good job in laying the narrative down. i do think we're talking about this briefly, that this idea that they are going to drop it on easter weekend while congress is out is going to lower the temperature and the attention to it. i don't think that's going to work. i think it's going to get quite a bit of attention. >> however a counterpoint, when
we saw the initial, you know, barr screened version, a lot of democratic candidates says i don't hear about healthcare and pocketbook issues. that's true and it's interesting to see if it affects the 2020 race because how much of america outside of the beltway going to tune into the nuance of what we might not know yet? >> it's a great test, a giant washington drama on thursday and friday into the weekend. the question then is there a ripple effect in america? that's the big question. >> up next, president trump gets a republican challenger for 2020. as a financial advisor, i tell my clients not to worry about changing their minds in retirement. you may have always imagined your dream car as something fast. then one day you decide it just needs to be safe enough to get her to college and back. principal. we can help you plan for that. but dad, you've got allstate. with accident forgiveness they guarantee your rates won't go up just because of an accident. smart kid. indeed. are you in good hands?
topping our political radar today, 2020 hopeful pete buttigieg weighing in on the debate over socialism within the democratic party. president trump as you well know and many republicans have tried in recent months to paint the entire democratic party as radical socialists and buttigieg offering this take on why some candidates and voters are embracing those socialist policies. >> i think the reason we're having this argument over socialism and capitalism is that capitalism has let a lot of people down. i guess what i'm out there to say is it didn't have to be so. i believe in democratic capitalism. >> the entirior depth inspector general opening a new investigation into that department's current secretary. the senate only confirmed him by a vote of 46-41 and it was found that he made 15 policy decisions favorable towards his former clients since joining the department as a deputy secretary back in 2017. remember, his predecessor ryan zinke also still under investigation.
we now know the president will have at least one challenger for the republican nomination in 2020. the former massachusetts governor bill weld officially in the race. he made that announcements right here on cnn on "the lead" yesterday, laid out his strategy, he says, that can defeat the president. >> you want to spend a lot of time in new hampshire, and new hampshire is a state where independents can vote in either primary. >> it's a crossover primary. new hampshire, all six new england states, the mid-atlantic states, california, oregon, washington, very receptive territory. the president is not well-liked in california. >> help me. >> help me. >> i've done a couple of these. he's trying to beat a republican incumbent, and he's talking about doing it in the new england states, the mid-atlantic states, washington, oregon and california. blue states. i'm not saying you can't land some bruises in a primary. >> he's run in the old republican party that doesn't exist anymore. >> which is the problem with this situation. the trump is the leader of the new republican party,
overwhelmingly so. >> pat buchanan bruised george h.w. bush and ted kennedy bruised jimmy carter. the campaigns would argue these candidates left some bruise k.bill weld make the case to soft trump voters and hit him hard enough that people don't stick with the president. can he beat the president? >> the rnc is not even going to let a primary happen in this case and that trump is going to run unopposed. this is not going to be a case where there's going to be opportunities for them to even get up against each other on the same stage, so it might be hard for him to even get traction to land some blows on trump. there's a lot of action happening on the democratic side, and the rnc has made it clear they will shut down anything on the republican side. >> i promise to go to oregon and washington and theft on the
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>> you're looking at live pictures of westminster abbey in london. it's 24 hours since devastating fire started at the notre dame cathedral in paris. the bellsing to at westminster abbey in solidarity. the blaze again 24 hours ago at 6:43 in pair its and 5:45 in london. westminster abbey, a symbolic tribute. we're learning more about the fate of the number of centuries old artifacts. rescue teams work to assess the damage and critically to salvage as much as possible. joining me from rome to provide insight into the collection is an art historian. elizabeth, thanks for joining us
here today. when they say most of the precious artifacts have been restored, and, a, what leaves you relieved and do you have any questions about artifacts, pieces of art that you haven't heard anything about yet? >> well, first and foremost i think being the cathedral of paris and its oldest and most important artifact if you will in that church is the crown of thorns, something purchased by the king of france, st. louis back in the 13th century. he built the st. chapel for him. it's something that's drawn parisiennes and foreigners alike, so to hear that that was brought to safety i think was the first great sense of relief. after that there's the news of the rose windows, actually the rose windows that are in these sort of four major entryways into the church. those -- those windows were the very few windows that still had intact glass, glass that was from the actual time of their construction in the 13th
century, and those appear to be mildly damaged but still salvageable. there's a magnificent statue by nikla cousteau and i think the world has seen that illuminated part of that sculpture group, the big golden cross and at the end of it a stunning piece from 1720. these are the things that i'm happy to hear that are apparently still in good shape, but to get to the other part of your question. the church contains a great many more works of hard. it has a choir stall from the 14th century which surrounded the space where the kings of france would gather, where the royal family would be for the royal weddings. it had carvings of the stories of christ, really beautiful carvings from about 1350 and also that church had a series of paintings that were given to it from 1630. the people of paris had a custom of every year during the month of may which is the month of mary, our lady for whom the
church is named. and they would donate paintings, 13 paintings inside the church and with the dust and the heat and the fire and these oils on canvas i have to admit what state they are in. >> we wait desperately for more information on all of that. the world was watching in orror. among the things we saw is the spire fall. put that into context. >> well, the spire -- so this -- this spire which was one of the pride and joy of the reconstruction of this basilica or this cathedral in 1860 was that reconstruction of the spire. the church had been left in terrible neglect in the early 1800s. this tremendous campaign on the part of artists and writers to get the state to get it rebuilt, and finally they get the duke to rebuild the church, and he crowns it with this 300-foot spire with the apostles looking out towards the city, and to watch that crash, that last time that the church had resurged
from neglect and damage and to watch that crash was a very, very brutal thing, but, of course, as we know, the statueses providentially had already been brought to safety, so it's a devastating thing to see, but at least we know that the apostles are still safe. >> a blessing within the tragedy, full. really grateful for your insights and help today. we'll keep in touch as we learn more about what is recovered and salvaged from inside and we'll stay hopeful about that. appreciate your time. up next, the presidents want the president to release his taxes but how much do you? how much do voters care? one sm. it supports your heart... brain... eyes... and joints. megared. ♪ pardon the interruption but this is big! now at t-mobile buy any samsung galaxy s10 and get a galaxy s10e free!
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now that your tax returns have been released and you've been identified as a millionaire and in the top 1%. >> this came from a book -- i wrote a pretty good book. you might want to read it. it was a best-seller, sold all over the world and we made money so if anyone thinks that i should apologize for writing a best selling book, i'm sorry, i'm not going to do it. >> that was presidential candidate bernie sanders. you saw him right there talking about his new released tax returns which, yes, show he's a millionaire because he sold that book. let's take a look at what we know from the democratic candidates so far that have released their taxes. other candidates say they are coming in the next few days. these candidates have released their taxes and here's what we learned. kamala harris on the high end, including his husband's legal work. high end there. governor of washington jay inslee on the lower end, numbers from the candidates.
go to cnnpolitics.com if you want to see more details. how much did they give to charity? a big transparency test in democratic politics. have you to release your taxes. many candidates say they will release 10 or 15 or 12 years and one candidate who has not released his taxes in this one or the last one is the president of the united states. consistently you, the american people, think this is a big deal. february 2017, 68% said in a quinnipiac university poll the president should release his taxes. where are we now, 64%. so that number pretty static, six in ten americans say the president should release his taxes. guess who else says that, the democrats who want to run against him. >> why don't you get donald trump up here and ask him how much he pays in taxes. >> and i think the american people have a right to know, particularly people running for president and are president today who has not disclosed his tax returns, have a right to know. >> a president who should have released his taxes by now, and if he must be compelled through a subpoena to do so, so be it.
>> joining me now the co-host of the pollsters podcast. the poll shows more than six in ten americans say release them, mr. president, but that doesn't mean people are going to say i'm not going to vote you unless you release them. how much power does it have as a investigate issue, not just, yeah, i think the president should be transparent issue? >> i think it's somewhat further down the list than things like the economy, healthcare, et cetera. i think it's the sort of thing that the reason why we have such a long trend line that we can look at where it shows six in ten americans saying over and over yes, we want to see his tax returns. this is an issue in the mix for a long time. it came up before the 2016 election so my assumption is that trump and the white house have said, look, this is something he's already been pressured on. he might get attacked more for what's in it than not releasing them at all.
>> you heard beto o'rouke say we'll have an subpoena. is it a tax issue? would you advise a candidate to hit him hard on he won't release his taxes store part of a bigger question about the president do you think that actually does have am i going to vote for this i go sailiens? >> it's clearly important. when you talk to voters about it and focus groups, people say, well, what is he hiding? why hasn't he done it and what is he hiding, and you illustrate how long, not just candidates for president have been releasing tax returns and trump is the first one since nixon not to do so. that has a lot of resonance with folks. on top that have you have all the other things that we think we know about the president, the investigations from a variety of different entities, fact that had a majority of americans feel that the president is not honest and trustworthy just generally, and so you add to that, and then the taxes piece is important. i'm not surprised that there are democratic candidates like voters across the country saying
why doesn't he release the taxes in. >> swing voters, independent voters, a small universe out there where this could actually hurt the president. >> part of a package that the president is trying to hide things from people. has a lack of transparency. he's -- you know, people don't think he's honest and this is just another example that have. >> here's what he would say and i'll put gallup numbers on the screen. the president looked at this that shows my approval rating is about as high as it's ever been in gallup polling. i ran an election last time where everybody screamed release your taxes, i didn't, and i won. why should i do it this time? >> that's exactly what he's thinking and this president, his job approval in that gallup poll being at 45%, that's still low by historical standards, but this has been an incredibly stable job approval number for the president. it has hovered in the low 40s for almost or perhaps over a year now. this is -- despite the fact that the news can feel very chaotic
and feels like his tweets have been upending the news cycle and it's issues like this where he figures better not rock the boat. >> the democrats say if you won't release them we'll demand them in congress. should congress investigate trump's taxes? among registered voters if you go back to november 2018, 51%, fast forward, a few more months, 57%. democrats are talking about this and insisting they will subpoena them if necessary. we're in a fight about that. that number is going up. does that say that the democrats are potentially on to something? >> similar numbers, quinnipiac saying he should release them and also the congress should be able to get his tax returns. that is allowed by law, and -- and even a sizable number of republicans and independents feel this way, so it is -- i think we'll see people -- well, the president is not above the law. no president should be above the law. this isn't about what -- how you kneel about his policies, by the way. people don't like the republican tax plan. we can talk about that, but it's not about trump's policies and no president should be above the law. >> let's talk about the
republican tax plan. the president was on the road yesterday ostensibly to sell it. he talked about a lot of other things, all americans, the green line in the middle of the graphic. among all americans, 40% support want republicans said is the greatest tonic for the country in history. they say the giant tax cut is the reason why unemployment is down, deregulation and look at the numbers against independents and democrats. oil blank out other ones. among democrats and independents, not so much. where have the republicans failed to say what they say is the great tonic for the economy. >> there's a huge disconnect because the president's job approval numbers on the economy are consistently higher than other numbers overall, usually 50% and it's not tax law that's necessarily being credited for it, and i think part that have is a lot of folks may not necessarily feel that they have personally gotten any change. what was odd as well is that the
president's job approval went up after the tax law was passed despite it never really having great poll numbers. >> right. >> so it's the sort of thing where people like what trump has done on the economy but not necessarily this. >> tax season doesn't make anybody happy, does it? thanks for joining us on "inside politics." brianna keilar starts right now. have a great day. ♪ i'm brianna keilar live from cnn's washington headquarters. under way right now, we're getting a look at new images from inside notre dame cathedral in paris one day after a devastating fire tore through the iconic structure. can you actually see that parts of the charred ceiling there have collapsed. there are gaping holes notice roof. firefighters say it took more than nine hours to bring the fire under control. french president emmanuel macron vows that the magnificent structure will be rebuilt. we have correspondent