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you it was. >> the full story, martin savage in denver opinion. thanks and don't forget the cnn special coverage of the release of the mueller report begins tomorrow morning 6:00 a.m. eastern. join jake tapper and me at 9:00 a.m. eastern. erin burnett outfronted starts now. >> outfront next breaking news, the attorney general to address the nation tomorrow morning. hours before he releases the redacted mueller report according to a top dem ab"the new york times" reports tonight the white house and justice department have been talking about the report conclusions for days. plus for a paranoia reportedly taking hold of the white house. why? what are they afraid of? and more breaking news. kim jong un tests a taqle guided weapon, the first test since the failed summit with trump. let's go outfront. good evening, i'm erin burnett. outfront, the breaking news bill barr won't release the mueller report until hours after he holds a press conference about
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the mueller report. hmm. this news breaking fl the from the chairman of the house judiciary chairman jerry nadler says barr helm him the report won't be handed until 11:00 a.m. tomorrow morning or noon. in that range, according to nadler that's what he says barr told him. the press conference will be held hours before that at 9:30 in the morning. so what in the world is barr taking questions about? as chairman nadler bluntly put it this is wrong. another important detail with the press conference we are told robert mueller and his team will not be there, according to mueller's suppose person. this comes as "the new york times" reports justice department officials have had numerous conversations with white house lawyers about the mueller report. and the conclusions made by the mueller team. those conversations -- they reported happened in just recent days. hoping the white house craft its response to the redacted report. all of this raising questions about the closeness of the white house and the attorney general bill barr.
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it was are president trump not the attorney general who first announced the press conference. >> you'll see a lot of very strong things come out tomorrow, attorney general barr is giving a press conference. maybe i'll do one after that. we'll see. but he has done -- he has been a fantastic attorney general. he grabbed it by the horn. >> okay one thing is clear. the attorney general has done exactly what the president wanted him to do thus far. remember, this is the same man who told cnn back in 1992, the last time bill barr served as attorney general. he said the attorney general is passwo unthe president and tonight we learn the tension and anxiety are high in the white house as "the new york times" adds that paranoia has taken hold of the trump team. we begin with evan perez. so much breaking here. but basically you got a redacted report come out after a press conference about a redacted report. the attorney general is really trying to get ahead of things.
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>> yeah, he is. and he is going to be setting the narrative, erin, for a report that by the way he has repeatedly told us he does not want to summarize. he wants us to see the report. but now we are seeing a press conference about the report before we actually get a chance to spend time to read the 400 pages. look, at this press conference we expect he is getting a lot of questions and provide an overview. going to explain a little bit of his thinking about what -- what was guiding his decisions on the redactions in particular. again we won't have the benefit of seeing the document before he does this and takes questions from us. and we also expect that he is going to be able to explain a little bit exactly what was going on in the process at the justice department. we know for instance from his letter that there were no disagreements with mueller per se. there was no fight over whether or not to subpoena the president. those are big questions obviously we're going to be able to ask the attorney general before we get a chance to see the report.
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but i think you point to the exact problem here, that the attorney general today had -- we knew there were some discussions about a press conference. and then the president just goes out and announces in decision, which was obviously something that the justice department wanted to control. this is an important day for the justice department to show some independence from the white house. and instead the president stepped all over it. we expect that the attorney general and rod rosenstein who will be there will be able to take some questions. though, erin, as you said, the fact that we won't be able to have the benefit of reading the report before we ask the questions will certainly temper what we can ask. >> yeah, it certainly will. of course, you know, the president obviously taking away any perception at least of independence there by announcing that first. okay, evan, thank you. i want to go now to phillip. april white house correspondent for american urban radio network our politic willing analyst and
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john dean former nixon white house counsel and cnn contributor. john, let's just get to the basic conundrum, the chairman of the judiciary saying bill barr's time said guess what 11:00 a.m. orr 12:00 tomorrow that's when you get the report. obviously the press conference is a couple of hours before that, right, 9:30 a.m. what's going on here? well, it's obviousry a conspicuous effort again to try to frame the report to try to shape the news and influence it. and erin, it's really reminiscent of watergate days when nixon decided to put out some tapes in anticipation that he was going to be asked for more of them. and what they did is they went out and briefed the press beforehand as to what they were going to read which is not what they would read and tried to shape that there was nothing there. and in the long run the -- the american public saw it for what it was and were outraged. >> so, april, what do you think is going on here? i mean, they all know when they
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do this and the president announces before his attorney general has a chance to, they put a press conference out about the 400 page report before releasing the redacted report, they all know wraer going to say this doesn't add up. yet they think going to work in the broader field of public opinion. i mean is that why they are doing in press conference before the report? >> erin, they are trying to cushion the blow as much as they can. there is a lot of contradictsens already there. with the redactions you are o you have people like form froern general eric holder who said they need to release everything because it will ultimately be released. and if people indeed don't get information from this highly recontacted document that they want, there is more of a clamoring for information. the press conference at justice is not going to do it and neither would the press conference the president may or may not have tomorrow. they're trying to cushion the blow because they're already contradictions we heard the
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president say i'm totally vindicated. apparently he is not because there is still at least on obstruction of justice there was no conclusion on it. so we're going to find out a little bit more. and then the what the white house comes out with what they want to say their rebuttal that leaves something to be desired as well. it's going to be point by point topic by topic tomorrow is going to be a big day. >> all right. so a thought, phillip, "the new york times" is reporting the justice department official haves had numerous conversations with white house lawyers about mueller's conclusions. does that bother you at all? >> well it bothers me a lot because it's the latest unseemly development in the relationship between attorney general barr and the president. and i also note that one of the major areas of redaction that we can expect to see or to not see tomorrow will be the redaction of grand jury information. the rule that requires grand jury secrecy applies to the justice department and prohibits the justice department from
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releasing grand jury information to anybody else in the government other than in the justice department. and that includes the white house. so if the attorney general is disclosing this confidential information to the white house lawyers i think it's not only unseemly but actually improper and will undermine his justification tomorrow for saying that a lot of what mueller has written is being blacked out or whatever his color code is, red, grown, blue or yellow. >> right and i want to ask about the redactions because that's very important. but first, john, to this point, you know about what -- who is seeing what and what the point is. since the barr summary, which was a four-page. any say it's not a summary. but whatever it is, blank of principal conclusions. you have a four-page summary of a three to 400-page report that he decided himself the president didn't obstruct justice. barr made that decision. barr then went in front of congress and said he believed
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there was spying on the trump campaign. that's the president's ward. that's an inaccurately and highly partisan word used to describe what could have happened. how could anyone take what barr says tomorrow as anything but covering for the president? >> well it would be very difficult to do so. his credibility in washington has certainly slipped, maybe he still has some credibility with trump's base who want to hear what he has to say. but it's sad. he -- he has actually done this before as well in protection of another president. this isn't a totally new pattern for barr. when we did a little digging as has come out in the last few months we saw he had done the same thing both in pardons and investigations that he nipped in the bud things that were headed towards the white house. >> ryan, ryan goodman's excellent analysis of a prior summary he did about fbi detentions. april, neither mueller nor anyone from his team is going to
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be press conference but they did work on redactions. and that's important. they were a part of that decision-making as far as we know at this point. but what does it say that mueller did not sign the summary? mueller will not be at the press conference? he is not in any way putting his imprimatur on this. >> he doesn't want to be political with this. he doesn't want it make it political when it is political. and it could go down that political route going to the hill. he wants to keep his credibility. he doesn't want to look like he is in with this administration as bob barr -- excuse me bill barr has taint on him from what is going on right now. and the questions that loom about how closest to the president and what is this and what is that? mueller is trying to stay away and keep the sangtty of this investigation intact. it's going to be hard. but there are going to be questions of him after this is over i'm sure. because we are going to be left with questions.
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they never seem to always answer the questions the way we think they should. >> yes. >> yes or no or give us the detail. and mueller is staying away from that. he knows he has foreshadowing of things to come. >> phillip let me ask you about the redactions because as you pointed out the only way to get grand jury testimony you have said is to initiate formal impeachmented proceeding and you can force congress to get all the grand jury testimony. but it's not just grand jury testimony redacted it will be classified information and sources and methods alling all the color coding. there is a two versions. a less redacted version goes to limited members of congress. that's what congress demanded. but eventually is the word. so in other words, tomorrow we are getting this one version. and eventually there will be another one. what do you make of that eventually? >> well, i don't know how much will be released to congress eventually. certainly i think it's understood that the intelligence
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committees will get the portion of the redacted report that reinstates the intelligence information that was stripped out. but it's unlikely that they will also see the grand jury information and the other fbi information that i think is even more sensitive for purports of assessing the president's behavior and the behavior of his family, because the attorney general has said he is going to remove information that might affect the reputation of what he calls peripheral third parties and grand jury material. liked to know whether he considers donald junior a peripheral third party whose reputation needs to be protected, when he was obviously central to one of the meetings with russian intelligence representatives in trump tower. >> right. and these are all questions i know will be asked of bill barr tomorrow before we see the report. we'll see whether he answers or say well i'm not compensating until the report comes occupant and then i'm not commenting at
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all. we can see how it could spin into nothing. thank you all very much. and next just hours before barr's version of the mueller report drops, "the new york times" reporting a sense of paranoia is taking hold of trump top aides. why? what are they worried about? plus president trump giving a nod to the attorney general claims that the trump campaign was spied on. >> we're talking about pervasive horrible things that were happening. >> this is just one of several reasons the president is very happy with his attorney general this evening. also breaking in hour, north korea, reporting it has tested a new tactile guided weapon. a huge development, the test ordered by kim jung jong un with, the first test since the president's last summit 3 as a home instead caregiver, for everything that i give, i get so much in return. join our family of home instead caregivers
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. breaking news, a sense i have paranoia gripping some inside the white house tonight. according "the new york times" the preponderate and aides are bracing for the release of the mueller report. obviously we are hours away from that. aides fear the president's backlash once he learns who told the special counsel what. i remind up that people like the general counsel at the don mcgahn spent this 30 hours with the mueller team. so there are second thoughts about having spoken to mueller now that the boss may know who spilled their guts.
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katlyn colins is live outside the white house. and what are your sources telling from you inside the white house tonight? >> well, erin some of the second thoughts are coming from people who did sit down with the special counsel and now they are looking at it like this. they don't nope in the report but they dough are don't know if their information is protected. their fear is what they said is laid bare for the public to see with their name attached opinion and if they had fought this and not spat sound did the special counsel after being requested then they might have been subpoenaed could have gone before the grand jury then what they said would be subject to secrecy rules that grand jury information often is. so that's why therapy wondering why were we encouraged by the white house to sit down with the special counsel in the first place? and now tomorrow the president could potentially know and everyone when this report is laid bare who it is that talked to the special counsel, what all they said and as we've been reporting white house aides current and former worried about the details that will be in the report. some of the people who spoke to the special counsel including don mcgahn were central to the
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main aspects of the investigation. there for big parts of what it was that robert mueller was investigating, especially when it comes to obstruction of notice. >> right. >> and now the president is going to be able to see exactly what they said during that 30 hours. because they don't think the president knows the level of detail that they gave them before. >> i bet. certainly -- he certainly doesn't. thank you very much katlyn. >> let's go to joe lockhart president clinton's white house press secretary when ken starr's report was released and jamaul jaafer. thanks to both of you joe you were there. inside the white house on the eve of a report. >> yes. >> this was the starr report. what the heck is going on in there tonight? >> well it's a very different situation. we didn't know what was going to be in the starr report. we took our best guess. we now know from "the new york times" that the white house knows what's coming. >> the lawyers have been
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briefed. >> yeah. >> we don't believe they have seen the report. >> yeah. >> the briefed on the contents. >> briefed. but we went about our strategy of getting prepared, preparing the rebuttal and going forward. i find -- there is something very perverse about what katlyn was talking about, the idea that people are living in fear. they live in fear of the fact that they told the truth, that they were asked questions under oath. you can go to jail as we found out for lying to the fbi. and they said here is what happened. and it's in this perverse world of donald trump where the truth is what he wants it to be that people now fear being in trouble. >> fearing his wrath. >> they fear his wrath for saying kwhapd. >> jamaul, it sounds like you got a lot of people who cooperated who are starting to regret it. they are afraid. if nothing is going to happen to the president, then something might happen to them. and a former official tells cnn
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the lesson here is don't cooperate. because it would have been better if you didn't and you had to go to grand jury if they wanted toers it it. then you'd have protection. because if you were in a grand jury you're not in the report, right. you're redacted. whereas we might be able to read people who cooperated. we might be able to read names. and the president would know who said what about him. what do you think? >> well, erin, look, i agree with joe that it's kind of crazy. we are seeing the special counsel report about the president and his campaign coming out. instead of worried about the report they are worried about the president's reaction. and i think joe's right to say it's an odd scenario we're in given the administration and the nature of the president, how he deals with current and former arids. that being said i'm not sure the grand jury thing gets you out of it. because at the end of the day there is going to be a lot of pressure on attorney general barr to g to the federal judge and have the materials released. members of the congress will want it. they are not getting unless they
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start a jshld proceeding. i think you will see public pressure bear down on the attorney general and white house to request a release by the federal judge. >> that's an interesting point. the attorney general could request that. obviously he doesn't want to but he might be forced. >> he may. >> he may be forced to do that that ironically. maybe you won't agree with reply take. but the more redactions there are tomorrow, the more he is going to be compelled to ask for them to change it. >> this has gotten in a twisted and petition perverse situation where congress feels like they have the right to see an unredacted version. the it may be the only way to do is to have the ongoing judicial procedure which is impeachment. >> impeachment, right. >> the attorney general is prompting a impeachment proceeding so congress and the public can see. it's -- alice in wonderland through the looking glass world. but this is the administration. and i think it is -- most of us tomorrow are going to focus not on who the president is mad at
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but what actually happened. and if the report redakotas what actually happened then i think you are seeing a strong reaction from congress. >> jamil, what do you make about the press conference coming at least an hour and a half before the redacted report itself? >> well, look, i mean attorney general barr released what he saw as key conclusions in the report. by all accounts attorney general barr is a credible person. there has been a lot of criticism. but it's not attorney general barr but also his deputy attorney general rod rosenstein on what they they say sessed in terms of obstruction of justice. rod rosant will be there too. a lot much people are saying barr is in the tank for the president. that's not a credit to attorney general barr. and rod rosenstein i don't think that's a credible argument a lot alt a lot of people are making it in the hours leading up to the press conference. >> i'll make the argument. i don't think he has been serving the attorney general of the citizens. i think he has been serving as
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the president's lawyer. i'll remind you on rod rosenstein if you believe the reporting he has been trying to balance competing forces. if you believe andrew mccabe he was very aggressive in the discussion about maybe the president needs to be removed from office. >> the 25th amendment. i'll wear a wire and all that. i think he has been trying to hold this together. he has made curious decisions in the last couple of weeks. but i think it comes down to, we're going to eventually see this report. so it makes no sense they are going to make it that hard. because again if the president was exonerated you'd want the report out so you know that's not true. >> right. i can see that. i can see the longer you stall the more people get bored and people move on. >> remember when election day. it's 2020. >> okay. >> and the longer it stalls the more of a problem it is politically for the president. >> thank you both so very much. and next -- >> attorney general barr is going to be giving a press
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conference. maybe i'll done one after that. >> so the president announced bill barr's press conference about the mueller report and then said maybe i'll do one myself. i guess the translation is once you see how people interpret the whole situation tomorrow morning. plus breaking news. kim jong un ordered his first weapons test since the failed summit with president trump. remember president trump making ha huge deal about the fact of no tests. he was right. but now this happened. it's a huge slap in the face. is trump being dared to act? allergies with sinus congestion and pressure?
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breaking news, president trump giving his attorney general bill barr a pat on the back hours before barr releases a redacted version of the mueller report. the president going out on the airwaves attacking the fbi and the obama administration pb saying it's hard to believe that president obama was unaware of what trump calls, spying on the trump campaign. >> i guess you have to put yourself in that category. and i can put myself in that category. i mean, we're talking about pervasive, horrible things that were happening. and it would certainly be hard to believe that he didn't know what was going on.
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but we're going to leave that for another day. >> so, the person giving him the ammunition, the confidence frankly to keep bringing this up and go out there is none other than bill barr. >> i think spying on a political campaign is a big deal. i think there is a spying that did occur. we, i think pie spying did occur. >> of course as we have said, you know, authorized surveillance, fisa warrants that's not spying. outfront now former democratic kmds. lewis guterres and former republican presidential candidate rick santorum. what i want to get at is the relationship between the president and the attorney general. the attorney general did not announce a press conference until the president did. the president nounlzed in a radio interview and said maybe i'll hold one after the attorney general is down with his. is there any independence here? >> i don't believe there is.
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let's remember that the now attorney general barr published a 20-page opinion basically saying it's as nine -- hiswards and that mueller his team of attorneys which he criticized for mierg a bunch of democrats something echoing president trump, looked like a group of people out to overthrow the president of the united states. then he sent the 20-page memorandum saying the president couldn't be investigated for firing comey and obstruction of justice. >> obstruction of justice. >> even broader obstruction ever justice. he said he couldn't be investigated for that. he sent that 20-page unsolicited memorandum and opinion to rosenstein. but let's remember he admits -- mr. barr admits, the attorney general admits that he discussed that memorandum with trump's lawyers and with people in the trump administration at the white house. so there is no independence.
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he was already in lock step with president trump and that's why he was coasten. >> senator santorum, any independence? >> look, to suggest that bill barr who is -- has a great reputation in this town was was attorney general before. no one questioned his independence when he was a attorney general in a prior administration. and you know, the prove will be in the pudding tomorrow. will bill barr -- first off was his synopsis correct? did it actually accurately represent what bob mueller said? you'll have that determination. the second determination will be, you know, how much is redaction. i agree there should be as little redaction as possible. i hope there aren't a lot of things withheld from the public. i suspect if if there is he has good legal reason to do so. >> here is the thing about it senator is a santorum, when you look at these redacted versions and he said he is giving detailed footant but as you say
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let's see. but the questions out there are there because of the fact that barr echos the president on to an eerie extent here is on a issues. >> my administration is finalizing a plan to end the abe of the asylum system. >> people are abusing the asylum system. >> i'm signing a national emergency. and it's been signed many times before. >> your declaration of an emergency on the southern border was clearly authorized under the law. and consistent with past precedent. >> they spied on me. they spied on our campaign. >> i think spying on a political campaign is a big deal. i think there is a spying that did occur, yes. >> i mean, senator, that's -- there is no coincident, bill bar is choosing to use the words of
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the president. >> i happen to believe those -- in every one of the instances i would agree that that's -- knows are legitimate characterizations of what's going on. you say surveillance isn't spying. well i disagree. i mean if someone is surveilling me they're spying on me. you can -- to me that's a semantic difference. >> well threw a court order and legal system. >> but spying is not illegal. spying -- i mean, you're saying spying is a per juror active term. >> i'm saying it's used in a per juror testify manner to imply something extra judicial and i don't think there is question about why the word is used. >> because it's accurate. erin, the idea, this is something i can't get over that is not really -- people on both sides of the aisle aren't concerned about this that a presidential candidate's campaign of people attached to his campaign are being surveilled and that the person running for president -- i ran for president. if someone deepen in my campaign somewhere was being surveilled i would be ticked off no one told me there was something going on.
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the idea of the presumption. >> i don't want to go through this all again but they were told -- they were worried about russian infill strags. >> fine enthen you come to me. >> there was a warrant to surveil carter page to -- anyway i'm not trying to relitigate the whole thing. >> why didn't they go to candidate trump? this guy is running for president and something may be going on. you know with somebody attached to his campaign. i'd like to know that as as opposed to someone assuming. >> maybe trying to understand what he knew because his son is having meeting with the campaign chairman and admitted russian informant. what the is his role? i can see both sides. >> it's a horrible presumption on the part of the fbi. >> okay. >> that has to be investigated nib. >> congressman guterres bill barr was interviewed by larry king in 199 when he was attorney general last time. and he said this about the role of the attorney general. >> the attorney general has an obligation to uphold the law, enforce the law with respect to all persons. no one is above the law.
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the attorney general also has a policy position. to that extent if he pursuing the pathologies of the administration he is subordinate to the president and carries outs the president's policies. >> no one is above the law, congressman ob subordinate. >> unless -- unless you're the president of the united states. process here is what i make a couple of points number one please note senator santorum did not refute any of the statement that i began the began the program withen a all the of the issues about the lack of ins depend and the 20-page memorandum. what he depose back to and go back to the talking points of the republicans that everybody think barr is a great guy and nobody questioned him. i too am surprised that one as a policy adviser in the reagan administration, attorney general as you just noted, for bush, the father, overturns a decision made about george bush the son in 2005 echoing what the
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president of the united states wants to do. so there has been a change. en and we see it among the republican rank and foil. the truth is that donald trump is the republican party. and even mr. barr whose father was a college professor columbia college professor and raising the best of schools in the united states has abdicated his responsibility to upmold the constitution and make sure that this president too is held by the constitution of the united states. >> yeah, luis i think you are confuseding the role that bill barr laid out which is the role of policy working on policy which is -- the amnesty -- the -- the amnesty applications and the decision he just made that's a policy decision on how to enforce the law. it's not the lawyer for the united states. it's someone who is implementing policy as part of the department
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of justice. so that's a very different situation than playing the role of a lawyer and not being the president's guy. >> aim going to hit pause there i think we can all agree that this report. >> the. >> what in report is about the rule of law and he is not before it and the president it's not about policy. >> the president of the united states has said we have to stop these -- this wave and in catch and release. every time i think about catch and release i think about hunters and animals. that's the way they look at people seeking asylum. >> that's, that's. >> in has been around a long time. >> i will hit pause there because this is an important conversation but a separate one. thank you both. and next breaking news, north korea firing its first weapons since kim jong un's failed summit with president trump. kim jong un doing this now on this eve. is he sending a message to president trump who of course has repeatedly been saying this. >> we have no testing. no missiles going up.
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breaking news. north korea says they've tested
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what they are calling a new, quote, tactical guided weapon opinion. state media reports kim jong un directed the test. the first test since the president walked out summit talks he held with kim jong un in february. last month the president tweeted i agree with kim jong un of north korea that our personal relationship remains good. perhaps the term excellent would be more accurate. well, maybe he doesn't feel that way tonight. will ripley is outfront. will obviously knows more about this than anyone. the president says things are excellent. and kim fires a test missile. what can you tell us? >> erin, things are not excellent for the north koreans. they have a lot of sanctions. they're hurting their economy and desperate to get the attention of the united states. but they don't want to push to the point that they derail all the diplomatic progress they made so far. what to they do? they don't launch a missile, not a satellite, at least not yet. but they conduct what they call a tactical weapons test. now they did this back in november of 2018 when
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negotiations with the u.s. were at a stand still. and at that time it was a multiple rocket law firmer or piece of artillery the kind kind of weapon that doesn't pose to there tote mainland u.s. but to the sfark and the 28,000 troops station tltds. this is a mri to get the president's attention. >> the president has been bragging about huss his relationship with kim on and on whenever he can. as recently as monday he said this. >> i have a very good relationship with kim jong un. he just said the other day he looks forward to more talks. talk is okay. talk is okay. right now it's moving along just perfectly. and we have good relationship. >> will, how much control does kim have over timing of something like this when you call about -- the word tactical guided weapon? what i'm getting at is we have known for a few days that the mueller report is coming tomorrow. we know that there is all the eyes -- is this something that kim could time to go with that?
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>> 100%. the north koreans are watching everything that happens in the united states. and they are trying to time their actions deliberately really to pressure the trump administration to come back to the table and give them what they want which is economic relief. they do a weapons test like this on the eve of a major development that they are watching and monitoring in the united states. and to remember it was yesterday kim oversaw an air force combat readiness drill. this is all a hint, a signal if you will of what could come if the north koreans feel that president trump doesn't give them closer to what they need more quickly which is sanctions relief. >> all right process. of course obviously if they sense more weakness from him thank you very much will. and president trump taking notice of mayor pete buttigieg. is the mayor of south bend, indiana ready? and what if fox news covered trump the way fox news covered obama. >> the president seems almost obsessed with cable tv or am i wrong? organics.
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and coming home. the all new chevy silverado. the strongest, most advanced silverado ever. it's the official truck of real people. breaking news, attorney general bill barr are release the redacted version of the mueller report tomorrow at 11:00 a.m. or there base. 11 or noon. and that will be after he holds a press conference which is going to be at 9:30 in the morning. so, press conference about a redacted report before we see the redacted report. that has some people angry. a lot of them, the democrats including the chairman of the house judiciary committee about to hold a press conference about the issue. democratic congressman steve cohen on the phone joins me also a member of the house judiciary committee. congressman, good to have you with me. you all know there is going to be this press conference, which i know there were plenty of issues with to begin with. and then you find out you're not
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getting the report -- the redacted report until a couple hours after the press conference. why do you think >> this whole appointment of barr and his report have been placed by donald trump to protect himself from the truth, the truth that the american people paid for, that bob mueller and his team have come up with and ferreted out with two years worth of investigations. they don't want to see the truth come to light, and barr took the job to be the hit man, the roy cohn to cover it up. he's been doing it and tomorrow he's setting the stage. he set the stage with a four-page summary saying no obstruction and no conspiracy. without letting bob mueller talk. then he took three weeks, which is absolutely unnecessary to let that get into the public's mind, for the president, then knowing that the report was going to be worse than he would like, to attack the report and attack bob
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mueller. tomorrow he'll have the opportunity to once again set the narrative by putting out his version of what's in there and to downplay anything that's negative toward the president. the president will have opportunities to make comments and then they'll give the report to the public and the public's representatives. this is the opposite of a saturday night live massacre when then knowable public officials stood up to a corrupt president to support and protect the law of justice. today we have men who are standing for the president to obstruct justice. it is just the opposite of a saturday night live massacre. >> were you surprised when the president of the united states was the one that announced bill barr would be holding a press conference? we didn't hear it from bill barr, until at least after the president said it was happening. >> edgar bergen is acting as president, and edgar bergen is doing what he does best, he manipulates the puppets well. >> thank you very much, i appreciate your time. congressman cohen.
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john avlon is with me now, our senior political analyst. okay, here we are. a lot of words thrown in there. >> strong words. >> corruption, obstruction. they are livid. cover-up. word after word after word. obviously we have the chairman of the judiciary committee about to speak in a press conference himself in just a few moments to say how he feels this is wrong. >> it was stunning to hear steve cohen say -- he said it was a reverse saturday night massacre. basically instead of members of the justice department standing up to richard nixon's improper requests, he feels that bill barr is in the bag for the president. remember, the attorney general is not the president's lawyer. he represents the american people and the justice department. there's a degree of independence there. and barr has an excellent reputation over decades, and i think what we're hearing from steve cohen is that he is absolutely putting that at risk by making it look like he's the guy willing to do donald trump's dirty work, with especially the timing we're seeing tomorrow morning. >> so here's the question, and i
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know we don't know what we don't know. >> yes. >> but is it possible given what we do know, there's going to be a press conference, mueller won't be there but rod rosenstein will be, and the president knew about it before anybody else did and the press conference is before the report. given all those facts, is it possible that the report could vindicate bill barr in that the redactions are footnoted? we know exactly what they are. they don't seem to be excessive. it seems that he really did do the best he could to put everything out there. is that even possible at this point? >> it is possible and we should hope that's the case. i think barr recognizes that he needs to be judged as a man of his word to retain any credibility, although he keeps eroding it. he has said there will be redactions, it will be color coded. will it be 50% of the report or 10% of the report. that's one of the key questions. is there going to be additional information given to members of congress in a different report specifically related to roger stone. but this is an enormous amount of credibility for not only bill barr but the justice department
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on the line at a critical time in our nation's history, especially when he indicated to congress he seems to be buying into the president's investigate the investigators narrative. >> that's the whole spying discussion. >> and the president's legal team is preparing their rebuttal document before they have seen the document, unless they have been getting it as "the new york times" reported tonight. >> they have been being briefed. there's been no reporting that they have seen it but they have been briefed on the conclusions. bill barr is betting on grand jury testimony obviously is protected unless there's impeachment proceedings or he himself requests it which would be a whole saga in and of itself. ken starr did, he's not going to. >> we know how mue knows how mu grand jury and the easiest thing to hide behind. >> that will confirm people's suspicions as to whether he's acting as the president's lawyer instead of the person charged with impartiality of the united
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states. at a time when the president of the united states continues to try to erode the rule of law. >> john, thank you very much. as we await that report, hours away and moments away from jerry nadler speaking live, next jeanne moos on what if fox news gave president trump the same treatment it gave president obama. >> mr. president, you need to stop acting like a schoolyard bully. it turns out, they want me to start next month. she can stay with you to finish her senior year. things will be tight but, we can make this work. ♪ now... grandpa, what about your dream car? this is my dream now. principal we can help you plan for that .
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tonight, what if fox gave
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trump the same treatment it gave obama? enjoy. >> wave to the fake news media. >> trump and fox news go together like love and marriage and on-stage hug for sean hannity, judge jeanine pirro gives the president a little bow. >> they have done an incredible job for us. laura, i love your show, i watch it all the time. >> lately the marriage has shown a few teeny tiny cracks. what's with fox news, tweeted president trump? triggered by the enthusiastic reception bernie sanders got at that recent fox news town hall. >> should we give huge tax breaks to billionaires? >> reporter: so weird to watch crazy bernie on fox news, president trump tweeted, adding and now we, we he said, have donna brazile? >> our brand new fox news contributor, donna brazile. >> reporter: sort of makes a diehard fox fan long for the days when the network took aim at president obama. >> what is wrong with this
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president? how dumb is he? >> reporter: what if fox news covered trump the way they covered obama? >> he's kind of a select president. he's like ryan seacrest. >> reporter: bashing obama for the things trump does. >> when he's not doing executive actions he's out on the golf course. >> it's like golf, mr. president. you play a lot of that. >> the president seems obsessed with cable tv, or am i wrong. >> reporter: it's a super cut described as dark ly hilarious. >> i just had so many instances of hypocrisy that i had to just narrow it down and start to put them into one video. >> reporter: network personalities berating obama from 2009 to 2015. >> mr. president, everyone is laughing at us. you're like a schoolyard bully. no one is afraid of you. putin sure as hell isn't. >> maybe it's time you stop look
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at a tv tuned to fox. >> reporter: the height of hypocrisy, or maybe fox news was just ahead of its time. >> we have a president who can never admit he's wrong. >> reporter: who wears it better? jeanne moos, cnn. >> he's so insecure and vain at the same time. >> reporter: new york. >> who wins the prize? all right, anderson starts now. is the country now just hours away from getting spun on the mueller report? good evening from washington where some key signs are pointing to perhaps a troubling answer. in a moment we're expecting to hear from a leading critic who does not like what he has seen so far, democratic congressman and house judiciary committee chairman jerrold nadler. he is expected to hold a live press conference, unhappy about what the attorney general has decided to do holding his own press conference tomorrow around 9:30 a.m. we'll bring you congressman nadler's remarks as they happen. he'll be speaking out, raising