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thank you for joining us. i'm poppy har low in new york. >> and i'm jim sciutto. "at this hour" with kate bolduan starts now. >> hello, everyone. i'm kate bolduan. thank you so much for joining me. just minutes ago the white house responded to a report that president trump is being shielded from any mention of russian interference in u.s. elections. according to "the new york times," then secretary of homeland security kierstjen nielsen was becoming more and pore concerned about russian meddling after the 2018 midterms and when she pushed for a cabinet meeting to get everyone on the same page for 2020 she was basically told no, do not bring it up in front of the president. acting chief of staff mick mulvaney, quote, it wasn't a great subject and should be kept below his level, according to the "new york times."
senior administration official telling "the new york times." so, to be clear, russian interference happened in 2016. trump denied that reality. and now with russians sure to try again in 2020 and by utilizing new techniques, trump reportedly doesn't want to hear that reality. feel safe? cnn's sara westwood is in atlanta, where the president is set to speak this afternoon. she joins me right now. there's new reaction and response coming from the white house about this reporting in "the new york times." what are you hearing? >> that's right, kate. acting chief of staff mick mulvaney is responding, denying he has any memory of this "new york times" report which claims that mulvaney instructed then homeland secretary kierstjen nielsen not to bring up the russian interference in the election in front of the president because he still questioned legitimacy of his presidency. i don't recall anything happening in this meeting but
unlike the obama administration who knew about interference actions in 2014 and did nothing, the trump administration will not tolerate foreign interference in our elections and we've already taken many step to prevent it in the future. that's not entirely true. obama told putin to cut it out. that's obama's words and also hit russia with sanctions for interfering in the election. there's been some criticism among democrats about the way obama did handle the russian interference. a u.s. government official tells our colleague, jake tapper, it's been like pulling teeth to try to get the white house to focus on election security in the run-up to 2018, after 2018 there were requests to hold cabinet-level meetings on election security to prepare for 2020 but those haven't been met. in july 2018, there was a national security council meeting, dedicated to election security. there were cabinet-level members attending that meeting. of course, that's the only meeting at that level, focused
on election security that's been publicly reported and it all comes one day, kate, after jared kushner downplayed the russian meddling. >> saying that it was a couple facebook ads. if you look at the mueller report you know it's a couple-s of thousands, maybe more than that. i want to talk to one of the correspondents who broke this story, david sanger, as well as cnn political director david chalian. david sanger, this is your reporting. take me through this. why were they told not to bring it up? >> i think it's pretty straightforward. since the beginning of the trump administration, kate, the president has reacted poorly to any discussion of russian election interference because in his mind, it calls into question the legitimacy of his election.
and so he went through a very lengthy period of time, a few years, you might argue, he has never really emerged from it, in which he has essentially denied that the russians were involved, downplayed the importance of that involvement in my reporting on this earlier for a book, the president called me at one point after he met putin for the first time and made the argument that putin made to him, which was the russians couldn't have been involved in the election interference because they were so good at this that they never would have been caught. and he said to me, you know, doesn't that sound right to you? you cover cyber issues and so forth. and, of course, we knew at that time and the president had already been briefed before he took office about the details of the election interference and, of course, you saw a fair bit of that in the mueller report. >> and just to put a fine point on your fine reporting, mick mulvaney is not denying it,
saying i don't recall anything along those lines happening, is the response he put out. that's a very telling response. no problem calling it fake news and calling for an apology from "the new york times" and beyond if they disagree with the reporting they're hearing. that is not what you're hearing from the white house on this. >> certainly not. >> david chalian, it's bad enough the president's complicated history in accepting reality of election interference in 2016. this reporting is that he essentially doesn't care or doesn't want to hear about it even in 2020. >> yeah. i find david and his colleagues' reporting chilling, kate. it is -- to hear the white house chief of staff say that we should keep something that is an attack at the very core of our democracy not at the president's level. that should -- well, if that doesn't get to the president's level, what does? i can't think of something more fundamental to our existence as a democratic society than our free and fair elections. and if they are under attack and
the president's own government is trying to formulate a plan to respond to that attack and he gives the indication to his team that he wants no part of it, how is that not a complete abdication of his responsibility as commander in chief? >> david sanger, to david chalian's point, your reporting is that secretary nielsen continued to try to work on this issue, despite being rebuffed at her efforts to try to get a cabinet level, at the white house level, to try to get it before the president. lay it out for folks. why does it matter that white house level attention is important and crucial in an effort like this, in terms of what's a coordinated effort that's needed to protect our elections? >> kate, it matters for two reasons. the first is, if you're going to get the public to truly understand what the nature of
the threat is, then you need the president out talking about it. you know, in the run-up to the iraq war, whatever you thought about that decision, president bush was out every couple of days trying to explain why he believed iraq was a threat, right? during afghanistan, during various terrorism activities. so, there's nothing more important than signaling within the government and to the public, hey, this is something we need to pay attention to. and we saw where the president was on that just earlier this year when the worldwide threat assessment came out from the intelligence community. the first few pages was full of warnings about election interference and the president gave a state of the union a few days later and never mentioned the subject. instead, he talked about the southern border issues, which were on page 18 of the worldwide threat assessment. the second reason it's important is that the department of homeland security has responsibility for civilian defense, the defense of the
civilian infrastructure. but the nsa and u.s. cyber command have responsibility at the military end. the treasury and others have responsibilities in the financial world, coordinating the u.s. government on this is a very complex issue and if it's not done at the white house where the position of cyber security coordinator was eliminated last year, it's not going to happen. >> and it sounds like it's not going to happen at all, david chalian, if you look at what jared kushner has said about what he thought about the investigation into russian election meddling just yesterday. listen to this. >> quite frankly, the whole thing is just a big distraction for the country. you look at, you know, what russia did, buying some facebook ads and sow dissent. it's a terrible thing. but i think the investigations and all of the speculation that's happened for the last two years has had a much harsher impact on our democracy than a couple of facebook ads. >> it wasn't a couple of
facebook ads. honestly. that's the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard. it was millions of people saw these completely fabricated, made-up, troll farm production of hundreds of thousands of things just on facebook alone. >> aimed at helping donald trump win the election. >> exactly. >> that was the goal of what the russians were trying to accomplish. but what jared kushner in his factually incorrect and absurdly downplaying comment there, what he does is actually give us insight into the president's thinking on this, right? he's channeling his father-in-law, the president, his boss, by dismissing this as completely -- as best he can to not raise this to the level of the kind of threat that it is because that would displease the president, apparently, as we're learning today in the "new york times'" reporting. >> david, help me with this. it's a constant -- it's two different things. you can have two thoughts in
your head at the same time. russian interference in the election, yes, to try to help donald trump and maybe it didn't change a single vote and he's still legitimate duly elected president of the united states. i continue -- i know you agree -- i don't understand why he can't have these thoughts in his mind at the same time. >> he proves incapable of trying to separate those two thought. >> david sanger, thank you. appreciate your reporting. >> david chalian, really appreciate t thank you, thank you, thank you. >> i will end the segment where i began it. feel safe about the election? we'll continue to talk about it. while democrats in congress are continuing to debate whether or not they'll move toward impeachment of president trump, trump is drawing a line in the sand on twitter, of course. i did nothing wrong. if the dems ever tried to impeach i would head to the supreme court. yes, the president believes he can sue over impeachment. as the president states pretty unequivocally, he does not want
anyone in his administration, past or present, complying with congressional investigations, saying in an interview he is blocking former white house aides from cooperating. manu raju is on capitol hill. where do things stand right now? >> reporter: all-out resistance from the white house over a range of requests that democrats have made as a part of their wide-ranging investigations into all aspects of the trump administration. chairman have sent letters about everything from russian interference to immigration to get a lot of those requests ignored. subpoenas have been issued. now subpoenas are being fought or simply ignored. we saw subpoena issued earlier this week from the house judiciary committee to don mcgahn, former white house counsel, to testify by may 21st as part of its investigation into obstruction of justice, as well as everything that the mueller report found, particularly as it relates to don mcgahn and how the
administration tried to fire mueller. the democrats say that that is not applicable here because executive privilege was waived by the way mcgahn already cooperated with the special counsel. this has a number of different fights that are percolating that could end up in court. tax returns being one of them. that is a deadline. second deadline set yesterday was ignored by the administration. they said they need more time to respond to chairman of the house ways and means committee's request for six years of the president's tax returns. that could also end up in court. so, we're seeing a lot of these fights here between the democrats and the white house about getting documents not getting fulfilled and that could mean that the courts ultimately have to intervene and that could take time, kate, working to the white house's advantage, trying to delay a lot of these requests, not comply with a lot of these requests and we'll see if they ultimately are successful in court, kate?
>> manu, our viewers can see the president and first lady are departing the white house right now. we're going to see if they come up and speak to -- if the president decides to speak to reporters, as he often does. meantime, manu, running out the clock, what is running out the clock to, the election? is that the general thought of what the white house has been trying to do? >> reporte >> reporter: potentially. that's what democrats believe, that there's an effort here to drag things out as long as possible. >> and as expected, manu, the president is speaking with reporters. >> from an economic standpoint is doing the best, probably, it's ever done. we're hitting new highs again. we've hit new highs, i guess, close to or over 100 times since i'm president, from the time of the election. unemployment numbers are the best they've ever been, by far. we have almost 160 million people working today in the united states. that's more than we've ever had
working in our country before. we're doing well on trade. we're doing well with china. things are going good. i'm bringing the first lady -- right now she's worked very hard on the opioid crisis. we're down about 17% from last year, which is pretty amazing. we're down 17% with the opioid problem. it's a big problem. it's a big addiction. and we're handling it. the doctors are working with us. the labs are working. the clinics are working. the pharmaceutical companies are working with us and we've made a tremendous amount of progress. john, go ahead. [ inaudible question ] >> well, the subpoena is ridiculous. we have been -- i have been the most transparent president and administration in the history of our country, by far. we just went through the mueller witch hunt where you had really
18 angry democrats that hate president trump. they hate him with a passion. they were contributors in many cases to hillary clinton. hate him with a passion. how they picked this panel, i don't know. and they came up with no conclusion and they actually also came up with no obstruction, but our attorney general ruled based on the information there was no obstruction. so, you have no conclusion, no obstruction. now we're finished with it. and i thought after two years, we would be finished with it. no. now the house goes and starts subpoenaing. they want to know every deal i've ever done. mueller, i assume, for $35 milli million, checked my taxes, my financials, which are great. you know they're great. just check the records. they're all over the place. they checked my financials and my taxes, i assume. it was the most thorough investigation, probably, in the
history of our country. i think i read where they interviewed 500 people. i say it's enough. get back to infrastructure. get back to cutting taxes. get back to lowering drug prices. that's what -- really, that's what we should be doing. [ inaudible question ] >> we're fighting all the subpoenas. lo look, these aren't like impartial people. the democrats are trying to win 2020. they won't win with the people i see and they're not going to win against me. the only way they can maybe luck out, and i don't think that's going to happen -- it might make it even the opposite. that's what a lot of people are saying. the only way they can luck out is by constantly going after me on nonsense. but they should be really focused on legislation, not the things that have been -- this has been litigated, just so you understand, this has been litigated for the last two years
almost since i got into office. now, if you want to litigate, go after the dnc, crooked hillary, the dirty cops, all of these things. that's what should be litigated because that was a rigged system. i'm breaking down the swamp. they're getting caught. they're getting fired. who knows what's going to happen from now on but i hope it's very strong. if you look at drain the swamp i am draining the swamp. thank you very much. >> you heard the president right there. let me bring in abby phillip at the white how as the president was going by. one thing you can see very clearly right now, it is open warfare between the president and democrats in the house who are conducting these congre congressional investigations. >> reporter: absolutely.
he is laying it all out there and made it very, very clear, he is going to fight these subpoenas. now, several of us tried to ask him specifically whether he might invoke executive privilege. he didn't answer that question directly. but he did believe that 500 witnesses have gone before special counsel, spoken to them and that was enough in his view. but he also said he has been the most transparent president in history, the most transparent administration in history. it's worth noting that one of the issues that the white house is pushing back on is the president's tax returns, which he has refused to release. at the same time he's saying he's being transparent, he's blocking a form of transparency that all the presidents have released ahead of going into office. >> i'm sorry. that's ridiculous. >> reporter: yeah. >> it's just a ridiculous statement. we could use air time and list off the areas of nontransparency
but we all know that is factually not true. abby, great to see you. i want to bring in david chalian and continue this conversation. as i'm watching the president and how -- he said they're not going to comply with any of these subpoenas, it does make me wonder if he believes what he says, which he believes that the mueller report completely vindicated him and is on the up and up. that's not exactly the reality but why is he so freaked out by these continual investigations? >> no president would want to be under investigation from the opposition party. i understand that. and he is trying to say -- he would like congress to work on their not oversight. nancy pelosi said that they can walk and chew gum at the same
time. >> aren't they meeting on infrastructure? >> yes, while also conducting the oversight responsibility that is in the hands of the house majority. no other question must be about -- mueller makes entirely clear in his report that he was -- he gathered all this information so that congress can work its will or be preserved for others to look at. that's spelled out in the report. actually says the opposite and laid forth a fact pattern for other people to investigate. >> great point, david. thanks so much for jumping back i
in. >> will he invoke executive privilege? it sounds like he didn't answer those questions, but this comes up again, he told the washington post, this is a quote, there's no need to go any further, especially in a congress that is obviously very partisan. that's the quote that he gave to the washington post. >> cited more than any witness, don mcgahn, could he assert executive privilege now after he has began and spoken so extensive extensively. >> once you waive a privilege and that was waived when mcgahn
was allowed to cooperate with mueller. it'swaived for all time. you can't say i let helm talk to mueller but i'm not letting him attack to you. i don't think trmp has a leg to stand on, on that claim. >> another thing he was saying this morning, i want to get your take on it. that's not possible, right, to go to the supreme court? >> no. i think he would be thrown exactly out of the supreme court if he tries to do that. andrew johnson and bill clinton. they didn't interfere because they consider impeachment to be a political question and the constitution leaves it exclusively with the house of representatives. now, if impeachment is voted, and it's like an inindictment being voted in a criminal case, the trial is held in the senate
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are you following me? tomorrow, everything changes. why is that? joe biden, the democrat who has been leading the polls even though he's not officially in the race, officially is set to get in the race. biden will be the 20th democrat to join the field. so what exactly is going to happen then? we have more details on all this. it's great to see you. what are you hearing on all of this? >> reporter: after months of dropping hints, joe biden is going to make things official tomorrow. i'm told he will be launching his campaign with a video and followed with his first event over in pittsburgh, where he will be holding an event on monday afternoon, shortly after that, we are expecting to see him travel to all of those critical early states like iowa, new hampshire, south carolina in the coming weeks. as you mentioned, biden's entry in the race will answer the biggest remaining question about what this field is going to look like. of course, this isn't biden's
first time running for president. both times those campaigns ended very poorly for him but he knows what it's like to run in this high-stakes environment of a presidential campaign and one question going forward, he's leading most of those polls as the front-runner, but will he be able to maintain that front-runner status with not just president trump going after him but also his democratic primary rivals? >> that is a good question, especially in light of it's a new cycle, new time, new era and he is facing challenges before he got into the race. what are some of the challenges he will face as soon as he announces? >> one thing that will be watched closely is his fund-raising. biden is not a prolific fund-raiser. you've seen other candidates post huge numbers not just in their first 24 hours but also over the first quarter, bernie sanders and kamala harris. is biden going to be able to raise that money? he doesn't have a giant small donor grassroots fund-raising list. how is he going to cope with
that? also there's a big question about whether biden meets the moment of the current democratic party. he hasn't run his own campaign since 2008 and right now you do see a lot of excitement amongst democratic primary voters for younger and more diverse candidates. those are all questions that will play out over the coming days of this rollout, kate? >> joining me now to discuss this and much more, former governor of ohio, now a cnn senior political commentator, governor, what do you think of the biden rollout so far? it has not been the definition of smooth to this point. >> joe biden is the secretariat of this horse race. i don't know if you're too young to remember secretariat. >> i read about it. >> even secretariat can stumble. biden talks a lot. i talk a lot. when do you that, you're authentic. sometimes you make mistakes but
you can't pay that much attention to twitter world when it comes to the general thrust. he changes the whole race. his numbers are very, very strong. he's beating everybody handily right now. that's why i call him secretariat. is it going to be a muddy track, is it going to be dry? i guess we're coming up on the kentucky derby so this is appropriate. the thing about joe, he could is a guy that could connect with my father. i believe that's still where the bulk of the democratic party is. i don't believe they're out here on new green deal and want to give people who want to work mony and they're not out there on medicare for all and destroy private insurance. that's not where joe is going to be. the key for him is to generate excitement and have new ideas. >> do you see him doing that? do you think having new ideas is even, honestly, what would make him in the strongest position to take on president trump? >> well, listen, he will have --
there will be no intimidation factor if he were to go head to head against donald trump. i think he is raring for this fight. and, you know, we used to talk about his age but age means less today than it did. i mean, you can be older as long as you're vigorous, and you can generate some new ideas. do i think joe can do it? absolutely. he was a vital part of the obama administration and he led in a number of areas when he became frustrated with the president. i know the guy really well. he's a lot of fun but he does talk a lot. i got on an airplane in washington and said joe how are you doing? when we landed in new york, he finished. he does that. he talks a lot. he's going to connect and he's going to hug and he's going to shake hands and be polite. that's the way i think it will go. i may be wrong but i don't think so. >> so on 2020, let me just ask but what the "new york times"
has been reporting. when you hear that the president of the united states basically doesn't want to hear about russian election interference, not even past but future because it makes him angry, because of the 2016 election, he doesn't want to hear about it, he's not concerned about it, even though his deputies are very concerned about it, what do you do with that? >> he is at 37% approval right now. we tend to forget this. in a head-to-head with the democrats, are they going to take somebody from way out in left field? in my opinion the president said he read the other day that he admires the kind of fervor that bernie sanders tracts. bernie can't be president. he would be beaten like a drum. he's just not. with the 37 or 40% -- if i was governor and i had 40% approval heading into re-election, that's a lot of trouble. so i don't know what you're thinking about with that. you can't figure out from
day-to-day where they're going to be. it's very unconventional. he has a very strong base but doesn't have the country right now, despite a great economy. despite a very strong economy. he should be flying high. but he's not. >> and one of the things that you and i talk a lot about is the idea of making actual -- making actual progress and where progress comes from. and a lot of it is ground up. it also requires bipartisan effort. in one area the president talked about it as he was going to marine one, nancy pelosi said they would be meeting next week to talk about infrastructure. do you see in a world where we are now where they could even come together on infrastructure? >> what worries me about them coming together, i know how the public works committee works down there. and what they do is they suspend money and drive pork. and what i'm really worried about here with congressional action on infrastructure is they won't pay for what it is they
want to do. now social security is not producing enough money to pay beneficiaries. they have to go to these bonds. that's another complicated story. but when it comes to infrastructure, you've got to pay for it. and there are creative ways to fix the problem. let me give you the number one very quickly. why don't we just collect a little bit of money in washington to take care of the interstates and other infrastructure, but let all the rest of that money go back to the states, let the states tax themselves and get rid of so many silly federal regulations and allow us to have infrastructure the way it ought to be, from the bottom up rather than the top down. pelosi and chuck, make a deal about it puts our children further and further in debt. the day will come where it will have to be paid, kate. your children, my children. >> right. but your children also need to be able to drive over bridges without them crumbling. >> you know what? we have a 30% increase in infrastructure spending when i
was governor without raising the gas tax. there are other ways to do it. instead of you paying a federal gas tax, washington for the politicians to divide it up, keep it where you live. let's figure out at the state level exactly what you want to do with those dollars. it will give us more money to spend. this is a plan that's been very road tested. it's different. you know what? the reason why washington doesn't want to give it up is because they want our money in their pocket. and they want to decide. baloney. >> what is so fascinating is that is a traditional, a republican ideal of keeping the money out of the hands of washington, but i'm hearing you say that you don't trust not only democrats doing that, but you don't trust a republican president. >> are you kidding me? i used to be chairman of the budget committee. i had to fight the public works committee every day. >> all right. >> i mean, it was just unbelievable. it's about pork and control and it doesn't mean good things can't happen but this is the 21st century. get with it, washington. keep what you need and send back
that that you don't. kate, i love being on your show. you let me talk and pontificate. god bless you. >> we took off in washington and landed in new york. i still don't know exactly how you're doing. anyway, good to see you, governor. thank you. >> all right, kate. thank you. >> talk to you soon. coming up, they missed another deadline. they create a new one. will the trump administration ever release the president's tax returns? and what happens if they don't? where is this legal battle headed? we'll speak with a member of the key committee that is requesting those documents next. ( ♪ ) only tylenol® rapid release gels have laser drilled holes. they release medicine fast, for fast pain relief.
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it is one of the fiercest fights between president trump and congress right now. all over president trump's taxes. the house committee led by democrats has demanded the treasury secretary and the irs commissioner hand over the president's tax returns. the irs is now missing not one but two deadlines to do just that. so, what now? steve mnuchin, the treasury secretary, says he's going to respond by may 6th. do they now just sit and wait? can they really do anything else on the committee? joining me right now is congresswoman judy hsu. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> the treasury secretary says
he will get back to you guys on may 6th. is that okay? >> well, we want to have trump's tax returns and we believe that the law is quite clear. the irs should respond. nonetheless, we will see what happens with secretary mnuchin's letter on may 6. but we expect that the law should be complied with. it is a 100-year-old law that says that the chair of ways and means shall have these tax returns, not may. we do expect to have them. >> the president just this morning said that he assumes that mueller looked through his taxes and mueller, bob mueller special counsel looked through his financials. if that's the case, do you take from that that they didn't find anything? >> no, i don't. actually, it is the oversight duty of ways and means to see that the law is properly
complied with and the chair is exercising his duty to make sure that the returns of the president were done properly. we know that it is a practice of the irs to have an audit of the president every year, but we do not know whether that audit has been done properly or correctly, and it is our duty to make sure that it is being done that way. and we also want to know whether the president is paying his fair share of taxes, whether he benefited from the tax laws and whether he has complied with the elements of his filings. so, these are all answers that must be obtained. and we are certainly exercising the duty that was given to us by the law. >> if you, just assuming right now, the response from treasury
is that they are not going to be turning over the material that the committee has requested, what then? >> well, we could issue a subpoena for those taxes. we could go to the court. in fact, we may end up in court but we feel that we are on great legal standing to do so. certainly every 6103 request, which is this tax law in the tax code, every 6103 request has actually been granted by the irs. why is it that in this case there is some obstruction? and, in fact, there shouldn't even be the interference on the president at all. this is a request that is being made by the chair of ways and means to the irs, and it is the irs that should comply. >> may 6th is the next deadline. where are you on the issue of impeachment, proceeding with -- going toward impeachment
proceedings right now since the mueller report has come out? >> well, i certainly feel that there are grounds for it, but i do think that we have to develop more of the facts. there are very important hearings that are going to be held in the next few weeks, and there will be more information coming out. i do think that we need to make sure that all of the american public is clear on this and that they know all of the facts coming out. but i do think that the -- what will come out in these hearings will be very revealing about the president. so i'm very, very anxious to hear what all these parties have to say, whether it's mueller or mcgahn. >> you're a wait and see until more information comes out in terms of impeachment at this moment? >> yes. >> congresswoman, thank you for coming on. appreciate it.
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the police tell us the evidence at the scene suggests he did not try to slow down. it was about 6:40 p.m. it is a small usually quiet town just south of san francisco. now, local authorities have called the fbi. they say out of an abundance of caution. the motive here still unclear. the driver is in custody. police have identified him, but they are not giving us his name. they have called in the fbi they say out of an abundance of caution. we have seen accidents where it has been an accident. we have seen it done intentionally and seen this done as a terrorist act. but the fbi telling our colleague should it be determined that a federal crime was committed, we will become more involved. for now sunny vam police department is the lead agency. >> what is the conditions of the
victims. >> we know some of the eight people were critically wounded. they are in the hospital right now. so far we have been told that the youngest victim just 13 years old. nobody has died, but those eight people last we heard all still in the hospital. >> thank you very much. i really appreciate the update. coming up, president trump speaking out from the white house lawn moments ago saying that he is fighting all of the subpoenas from democratic investigators on capitol hill. what does that mean? that's next.
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