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battle for a massive, unprecedented and growing pattern of obstruction. >> what about the subpoenas? these are not my impartial people, the democrats are trying to win 2020. the only way they can luck out is by going after me on -- all nonsense. >> he mentioned the democrats, democrats say they're going to get the information they want into president trump and this administration. looks like it will be a long, drawn out battle. the justice department told the house committee is refusing to comply with the subpoena and demanding testimonies from the top official from the citizenship on the upcoming census. this move has a full support of william barr. that's exactly what president want from his doj. trump vows to go to the supreme court if he's impeached by house
democrats. he apparently does not understand that only congress has the constitutional power to impeach. it has nos pow power to interve. >> i want to talk to our michael cruz, thank you all for joining us. a lot to discuss, perry, president trump says he's fighting all subpoenas, listen to this. >> well, the subpoena is ridiculous. i have been the most transparent president and administration in the history of our country by fall. >> it seems like he's getting a green light from the justice department because they're also saying they want a house subpoena. does the president have the justice department he always wanted? >> yikes. where do you start? starting with the most transparent president of all time who would not speak with
mueller and who continually try to obstruct the probe. does he have the department that he always wanted. i think he does. he's really, really strong and everyone dogmatic executive power types. so bill barr won't blink at the notion of completely stiff and congress fighting in the courts and saying you can't do this to the executive. they're going to be certain claims and kind of people that he'll have a strong argument on. uma i c you made a good point it can take so long. many of these will be protracted and time is not on congress's side. >> perry, before i bring the other folks in, i want to get to the respond of this new reporting that we had tonight, the white house has informed the house oversight committee that steven miller will not testify
over his role and president trump's immigration policies. congress is going to have to figure out what they have to do with all of this. this is unprecedented. >> unprecedented and reflects the stance, no, no, no. one thing they can do. the miller and the mnuchin of the world ought to be careful. it has been a long time since impeachment proceedings were done. it could be impeachable and they could move on people like miller if they are really being completely transcended. >> susan, let's go back to the justice department protecting the president. i want your view on this, too. we all remember president trump atacti attacking jeff sessions, he felt that jeff sessions was not protecting him. is barr protecting him? >> a lot of people came into bill barr, wanting to giver h h
the benefit of the doubt, sort of a trumpest supporter, any sort of goodwill is effectively washed away. particularly by that, he gave the morning of the mueller report was released, bill barr, may not haves technically lied but he walked up to the line. that's what's going to make his testimony on may 1st in front of congress incredibly interesting. it is going to let members of congress holdup the selective excerpts that he took from the mueller report and put it besides his letter and press him on the question about whether or not he views himself as the chief law enforcement officer of the united states or the president's personal sort of attack dog/publicity officer. >> michael, you have been standing by patiently waiting to jump in. you see trump fighting every attempt. we all see every attempt at
oversight s or investigations. you wrote a story aboon "politi" how trump battles with the doj and the fbi, that's not new. >> definitely not new. if you look at donald trump, half a century at this point. what we are looking at right now that's the current bookend. the first bookend goes all the way back to october of 1973. that starts when the department of justice sues donald trump, fred trump, his father and trump's management for racist rental statuses and many offices in staten island. donald trump is put in a position where he has to fight that. he has not done much. he's still known at that time of the son of fred trump. that case in the worse possible case for donald trump could have
sort of killed him in the crib before even started doing what he did. what does he do to fight against that case? he hires notorious attorney, roy cohn, who not only mounts a defense for donald trump particularly but kind of gives donald trump a young and impressionable donald trump a tutorial on how to fight the department of justice and how to fight any entity or institution that's attacking you, that's getting in your way from going where you want to go and doing what you want to do. so the cohen's play book, deny, delay, counter attack and shamelessness as a weapon. here we are 50 years later, we see a lot of white cohn and
donald trump. >> harry, you had a reaction there with cohn? >> roy cohn, that's who he is. the law is completely apart from it. morals are apart from it. he always said famously that's what he wants from an attorney general. >> to go to your question, i don't think he got it on bill barr. he got someone who'll be fighting. he got a fighter whether or not it is of the variety like cohn. >> susan, the president sent out a flurry of tweets this morning. i want to read just one line that says if the partisan dems ever tried to impeach, i would first head to the u.s. supreme court. that sounds like a threat. >> so this is actually a subtle question, the founders consider
whether or not they should commit trying impeachment of the supreme court, they decided not to. in that case not president nixon but a judge named walter nixon. really consider the question of whatever individuals -- is the supreme court allowed to step in? the court was really clear in that case. no, this is a political question and a power that's committed exclusively to congress that we do not have the authorities to step in. now president trump may and certainly individuals like allen suggested that he should attempt to relitigate that before the court. that said, this is a relatively well subtle matter of law. it is a really long shot to think that he can get anyone's mind to change on that proposition.
>> this is surprise to most people of hillary clinton's opt-ed. she talked about the next step of the mueller report and she acknowledges while many won't view her as the right messenger. her experience as a hill lawyer during watergate and first lady and a new york senator during 9/11 and secretary of state, she says well, i am relying on that experience and here is why i am writing it. congress should hold hearings that build on the mueller report and fill in its gaps, not jump straight to an up and down vote on impeachment. congress is still investigating. what do you think? >> i think that's, you know, who am i to say whether that's the right thing to do here or not. what i will say though is that
the delay tactics here for trump are going to be very helpful. trump is most feseffective. he's the most effective when he's fighting and if he does not have a legitimate fight, he creates a fight. he does not create a fight here. now more than ever before, he has been very adapt at using fights as fuel and so i think the political calculations are what they are. no what you are dealing with here and a fight have never not been a good thing for donald trump. >> michael, susan harry, thank you. are woman of color the key to winning the democratic nomination. we'll tell you what the leading candidate said today, that's next. cnn tonight brought to you by pfizer.
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listen to this, women of color could be the key in the battle 2020 democratic nomination. today eight of the women, here is what some of them said about those votes. the democratic party, -- >> the question is why i pledge to have a woman running mate, to me it is clear that we do that. women along in the country are paid on -- african-american woman 51 cents. >> why should women of color choose you as a nominee for president? >> because of my track record my entire life of focusing on women of color, similar to healthcare. i am a leader on the maternal
mortality. >> let's discuss this now. why did i just sound like i am introducing a prize award. here we are. >> thank you all. >> i thought it was fascinating listening to all of those sound bytes. clearly at this form, these candidates are showing they know that women and women of color in particular are key to winning the nomination. >> well, you know this is one of the things that i have been pushing republicans to do. get out and speak for the black community, talk about why they are good for black americans. it is one of the things i really wish that more republicans would do. it was really interesting to see their take on this. listening to cory booker saying i vow to have a woman as my
number two. i don't know but that did not rub me the right way. look, we can look at women, they can be number two. i think kamala harris is doing a decent job speaking of women of color and all for policies, have spoken to women of color. one of the people i thought to watch out is tulsi gabbard. i spoke to her, she's a great friend of mine. i like the fact that she works with people and reasonable. if that can translate to the broader america then i think she as a really good chance of doing well. i think that's going to be key when it comes to the democrat f nominees for president.
>> helena, i know you feel a certain way. >> i can't stand that because it is so condescending. i know that's not how cory booker meant it. okay, little lady, we'll make sure you get number two. let's see who gets the nomination first and let's see who'll be the best. >> let me ask you, jacksonvilgi you had great success working with senator jones. they are all also pragmatic group of voters. the reason i say that, i think democrats realize what's on the line here especially black women. do you think they're saying well, it got to be a woman or it got to be this or that, or does
it have to be the two people who can beat donald trump? >> well, look, i think their energy is really important and winning them would be important. you can't be the nominee in our party without getting really strong support within communities of color and particularly women of color because they're a lot of the core activist in terms of getting out the vote and work it. >> i think one of the things that's different about this field is aside from biden and bernie, most of the candidates in this field are not known nationally in these communities. they may have standing in their states or in the senate for things they have done but they're not well-known. they're not known nationally among anybody and so these opportunities like today are really important to make that
first impression to start getting out there and start building. in 1992, when we had a field that was not well-known in communities of color, bill clinton, actually started to connect in a way with empathy and hope n a way that really connected. he started to win the minority communities over across the country. that's really what propelled him to the nomination. it is going to be decisive, biden has the doors opened because he's barack obama's vice president and he has history. bernie may as well. they got to make themselves relevant. they can't rely on past. >> we'll keep you guys around so we can get more input from everyone here. everyone stay with me, we got a lot to talk about.
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president is old. >> president trump is turning 73 this spring, on the other side of the isle, the two leading contender is are bernie sanders and biden. i think it is exciting. living in a society of people discriminating. the top candidate are older. >> i think it is fascinating because age discrimination is such a problem. it is a combination of things. it is in part because of the baby boomers have been ascended culturally now for decades. that i are still, if you combine them with members of the generation, they control the most wealth. it is also particular things about particular candidates. so i think bernie sanders who has a platform that appeals to young people also is frankly the
type of older person, young people really like. he kind of does not pretend to be cool or be here friends, he tells it like it is. he's really, you know, sort of coming down from the mountain. he's going to tell you how it is going to be. this is something that repeats itself in our culture over and over. trump and biden, the better days have heard and we can return with biden with the obama administration and trump's imagined past. and in fact he's running ads for people over 65 on facebook right now. can i say one more thing? there is one group he does not apply to? elizabeth warren. despite the fact that she got as forum that should be millennials between universal and child care
and her student loan debt. >> i do see a shift if you read social media, after some of her performances out on the campaign trail, i see people now and everyone black women who are saying wow, she's really the only one who's speaking for me. it is interesting to watch. first they say first she does not have a chance and now i think she's gaining some sting and someone to watch. >> she's amazing today to the people. she got two standing ovation, she spoke about the african-american mortality rate and came up with a plan to try to address it. >> let's bring mia into talk about it. this does not apply for women, this whole not ageist thing. hillary clinton was attacked and insinuations of her age. do you think this does not apply to women that helena wrote about it?
>> i think helena hit on something that's crucial here. this does apply to men. i remember when i was running, well, she's not experienced enough even though i waycros a r of a driving city. working across the isle, well, people are always so incredibly surprised when you just rise to the occasion. i don't think that really apply when it comes to women. that's unfortunate, i think that you got a large, a majority of voters out there and the people that run the economy are really women. they're working and they're trying to take care of families. i mean there are things that are really disproportionately affecting them. so everybody always wants a grown up in the room. i think that's why older men do so well. but, that does not apply when it comes to women, when it comes to women, age is always a factor. they're never experienced enough
or can do well enough. >> when you said the economy at the end, go beyonce, you know what she says? who runs the world? girls, right? >> yeah. >> helena points out in her piece that in merge culture and ageism is really common. we know that. that's no secret. why do older voters have so much more power. is it simply because they vote and younger voters don't vote as muc much? >> yes. >> they vote particularly in primaries. primaries, lower turn out affairs, it is really older voters that turn out and particularly by the way in some of these early states, iowa is the oldest state in the country and in fact, i think it may be the yeel ield in terms of the average age. you start to see that and we are seeing an increase in millennial participation, i think that's
going to happen this time around. the other thing that gets into this t older you are, like when you look at data, the more th they -- all the race and other biases take in in a way that don't happen and millennials don't care about gender or age or race or color. part of it is the older goat that comes out tends to be more oriented male candidate and more oriented towards you know older candidates, experience matters to them. >> i got to run, buttigieg in the race now surging in the poll and he's 37 years old, he'll be
the youngest president ever. i wonder if he can be the one to fight the trend of the older, considering openly gay and married. >> i think it is still to be determined. the polling is showing that the issue of his sexuality does not seem to matter as much as people are afraid of. it is still early days and we still really don't know a lot about all of his positions and we don't know about his life frankly. i think it is still up to be a determined question. >> joey, you got to go quick. >> well, don, i was going to say is that look i think a lot of people think this is going to be an ideological left. one of these younger candidates may emerge against biden or bernie. along the way, 1994, i know
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let's bring in daniel dale for the "toronto star." >> he has been here before. he has the most here being a fact-checker here. you tweeted imaginary caterpillar machine and latin america migrant conspiracy. it is one thing to twist the truth but making up imaginary things? >> it is worse. what distinguishes trump from other politicians is that most politicians are fresh and twist and exaggerate, trump makes things up, these are epic lies. he's different qualitatively from everyone else. >> let's start with the imaginary caterpillar machine.
>> sure. >> a special thank this evening, i agreed to go to a cthe ca caterpillar place, i want to see what a d-12 looks like. >> caterpillar does not make a d-12. it makes a d-10 and d-11. trump was told this two years ago. he asked them, do you make a d-12 yet? the president invented this machine for reasons unknown whether out of utter confusion or intentionally. >> let's talk about the imaginary approval rating. he tweeted from a lou dobbs segment that showed him of an aproouf approval rating at 55%.
fox did issue a correction. the president tweets about it and it is still up. did he event attempt to provide evidence for his flaws? >> he did not. we know he never correct. "fox business" ran a correction, look, we misstated the poll, the president did not whatever shred of evidence to bolster his supposed popularity he'll use. if it proves wrong or utter the wrong thing himself. >> let's talk about his imaginary latin american c conspira conspiracy. >> they're saying the people that come in from much further away, they're sending real killers including ms-13 because they don't want them in honduras or el salvador.
they don't want the gangs. they're sending into our country. they're not the ones out of water. >> this is part of a long lis m about the caravan. >> this is the conspiracy theory that he offered to mexico to launch his campaign. >> he meant the mexican government was sending bad people to the united states. now he's temporarily abandon accusations against mexico and basically making it against guatemala and el salvador and hundr honduras. these migrants are not sent by the government, they're coming on their free will. there is no evidence for this whatsoever. >> you know i say sometimes on the show if you lie about anything, you will lie about
everything. this is just another example. this one is from today, a tweet from "the washington post," i did not call bob costa at the washington post, he called me returning his call. just more fake news. >> robert costa pleaded just that. what was the point of that? >> well, he makes an effort to malign the media baselessly all the time. we have this extensive history of the president accusing the media of so-called fake news. so independent of the economy of him saying i didn't call him, it was a return phone call. bob costa says the president returned my call. there is nothing fake whatev whatsoever. the president is seizing this opportunity to go after "the post" again. >> daniel dale.
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adopted a son, james, who's now nine-year-old. james had been receiving money as part of his father's plan. this year as a result of the changes in tax code, pushed through by the president and republicans, that jumped to almost $4,500. jessica and her son, james, they are not alone. the military publication found they are among several gold star ma' families are facing an unexpected tax burden. jessica is joining me to talk about this. thank you so much, i appreciate you joining us. >> thank you for having me, don. i appreciate the opportunity. >> we appreciate the sacrifices that your family make for us. >> you got a phone call, i understand from your accountant saying that your son owes a lot more money in taxes, what was your reaction?
>> well, it is a long story and it has been going on for two months now. we got a tax from our tax preparer, he explained to me that due to instead of the previous amount that we had been paying in taxes it had more than quadrupled. >> wow. >> and it was a huge shock. >> yeah, i mean, it is, i can only imagine. so listen, let's do some math here and then i will talk to you about it. we double checked the tax return that you sent us, okay. so in 2017 your son paid $1,135. this year, he owes $4,471. that is almost four times as much. this is the same rate which would apply to a trust or an estate, 37%.
how are families like yours dealing? because this is a massive tax increase. >> it is, it's huge. and, i mean, i've been talking to other fellow military surviving families. and a lot of them are struggling, for various reasons a lot of them aren't employed, have different circumstances. so it's definitely difficult. i mean, in some cases it's meaning, you know, choosing between paying your taxes or paying for your car or food. i mean, it's that dire in many cases. >> you know, president trump's 2017 tax cuts and jobs act was pushed through quickly by congressional republicans who they wanted it passed ahead of the midterm elections, does it seem to you like this is just an unintended consequence of a bill that was rushed through? >> i would probably have to say yes, in all honesty, yeah.
>> yeah. and when you talk to other families like yours, what do they say? >> the same frustration, anger, shock. none of us were made aware of this at all. none of us found out until we were filing our taxes. and we were finding all of this out. and we have all contacted -- i personally have contacted all 100 u.s. senators, probably close to -- i'd say 20 representatives. i have contacted the white house. >> yeah. >> comment line. i was hung up on by them. and i have received no responses. and so have many of the military widows i've spoken to.
>> you also reached out to representative mike doyle, pat toomey, bob casey, have you heard from them or gotten no response? >> i have gotten no response at all. >> from anyone, yeah. >> no. >> as you said, you know, i asked you what are other families saying and you said the way you're dealing with it is some have to decide between taxes and a car and everyone is feeling exactly what you're doing. so even if, jessica, even if legislation is passed to fix what seems like an unintentional mistake, goal star families like yours face these sizable tax bills. is there a chance you'll get any relief on those bills? >> i honestly don't know. we've all been trying to contact our representatives and have not had any success. i'm here just to try and help all the gold star families universally. and if we can even reach one
representative who might listen to our stories and be able to help, i think it would be a huge difference. >> what do you want to say if they -- you know, if they're listening because you said no one has gotten back to you, even the white house, you were hung up on, what would you say to them? >> i would say that we feel that it's very unfair that children are being taxed at the 37% estate rate and that they need to immediately rethink that and think about the impact that it's having on gold star children and their families who have already -- we've already sacrificed enough. and this is just even more sacrifice. >> well, jessica, we hope that you get some help. and, again, i'll say it again, we are grateful for your husband and your family's sacrifice to our nation. thanks again. >> thank you so much, don. >> and thank you for watching.
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