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test. test. test. >> i refuse to show up and be questioned by congressional staffers for follow-up questioning. he's the top prosecutor in this entire country and he seems to be afraid of questioning from some congressional staffers. look, any prosecutor can tell you that the key to any questioning, the key to any examination is the follow-up. it's easy for any witness to dodge and delay for the first round of questioning. where you really get the pedal to the metal is on the cross-examination. the fact he's dodging that suggests he's either hiding something or he's afraid of something. i think it all comes down to how reliable has william barr been during that almost month-long stretch where he had seen the mueller report but nobody else had and he was describing it to the american public and congress. i think he was quite unreliable
and misleading and now he's going to get called to task for it. >> odd for a lifelong lawyer to be reluctant to answer questions from other lawyers on capitol hill. republicans, we have video, they called up an experienced prosecutor to ask questions of christine blasey ford. you might say it's hypocritical to say someone from the administration saying i'm not going to answer questions. is there precedent for this? ? there is precedent. what i think barr would say is it's rare for a staff member, congressional staffers to question a cabinet secretary. it's not unprecedented but it's atypical. normally when members go to the hill, it's congressmen who question them. that's what you hear the doj saying, it should be members of congress who question a cabinet secretary. but clearly, congress wants to do more. they don't want the time constraints on questions, and as elie said, they want to press
barr outside of the five minutes that are granted to individual members of congress. >> this is a time play in effect by democrats. >> well, as i'm sure many people have seen, individual members of congress are often not as skilled as attorneys, but some are attorneys, in questioning. it's both a matter of how skilled the members are at questioning and also getting out of the five minutes that each -- out of the time constraints of the five minutes each member is granted. >> understood. elie honig, this is clearly an administration policy here because they're refusing to have a whole host of officials appear before the hill. some of that has changed overtime. they reached an agreement on the hill to allow the person in charge of security clearances in the white house to come answer questions. legally, is there cause to say, listen, we're not going to listen to that subpoena. we're the white house and we don't have to work with you? >> there can be cause in certain instances. when you're dealing with the federal rules of criminal procedure in a criminal trial, there's a very specific set of
rules that say here's how things go. but in congress, there is no such specific set of rules or procedure. so you have to ultimately find some sort of midpoint. the question ultimately, is congress legitimately using its constitutional oversight power or are they overstepping and abusing. it's an unwise course of action by the administration, by the white house, to have this blanket no up there. everything is no. if they don't ultimately make some reasonable accommodations i think they're going to get smacked down in the court. is william barr the attorney general of the united states, really willing to go to court if he gets subpoenaed and say i think it's unreasonable, an overstep of congress' constitutional oversight authority to make me answer 30 minutes of questions. that's a petty and ultimately ridiculous position. >> seems a weak argument as well. politics here, the other side of the law, the president clearly made a decision it works for him, running into 2020, despite
the investigations portray in his view democrats as just investigating and not doing anything else. any signs he strays from that strategy? >> no, this has become a political issue for the president, who is taking his message out on the campaign trail. the democrats have become singularly obsessed with investigations. now that the mueller report is over, he's telling voters he's been cleared of this and nonetheless, democrats continue to investigate him unfairly. he's portraying himself as having emerged victorious from the mueller report and is now continuing to be a victim of democratic investigations. and nonetheless, he's prevailing. and that's the message he's taking to voters on the campaign trail. >> there's the small issue of the constitution and congressional oversight. we can forget about it. eliana johnson, elie honig, thank you. >> "the washington post" says president trump's lie count since entering office has hit five digits. trump has now told more than
10,000 lies or misleading claims. "washington post" fact checker columnist glen kessler joins me now. you have been doing yeoman's work on this for a couple years now. this is a remarkable number for a u.s. president to reach. >> yes, it is. and you know, one of the remarkable things about it is how quickly it has exploded. about a year ago, i gave an interview where i said maybe at current pace, you could get to 10,000 by the end of four years, and here it is, only 11 months later and we have crossed the 10,000 threshold. >> to be clear, you say lies and miss leading claims. how do you establish the difference here, at times, they have been reluctant to use the phrase lie. whether he's making a mistake or telling falsehoods intentionally. >> right. we're pretty reluctant to use the word lie. we used the word lie to describe
his comments about making payments to these women that alleged he had affairs with them because there you could document the series of statements pretty clearly. we tend to say, we use pinocchios, four pinocchios. we have something we created called the bottomless pinocchio where if you say something that is rated as three or four pinocchios and he said it more than 20 times, we can't get to intent, but he's been put on notice, these things are false and he shouldn't say it anymore, and he keeps saying them anyway. >> he often accelerates the pace when he's in front of a friendly audience, particularly a campaign rally. you noted he had a remarkable three-day stretch last week whens you say he made 61 misleading claims in that stretch. there they are there. my question to you is, as we get closer to 2020, as he's doing more campaign rallies, statistically, do you expect him
to get worse? not better. >> well, that's what the trend certainly indicates. we found that, you know, about a quarter of these claims were made at campaign rallies. and the list gets bigger and bigger. i think about a year ago at a campaign rally, it would be like 30 claims. the one on saturday, i ended up counting 61 claims. and they range from, you know, some are just outright false. and some are, you know, he exaggerates the jobs created. maybe you call that a lie or not. there's no reason to tack on 500,000 extra jobs to the number of jobs you created because it's a pretty good number, but for some reason, he feels compelled to make it larger. >> can't help himself. reporters, sometimes, when he tells some of the misleading claims, you watch other administration officials back them up retroactively when
there's little truth to back them up. keep on top of it, great work and important work. >> you're welcome. >> still to come, a funeral set today for the woman who shielded a rabbi during the synagogue shooting in california. that's her there. her act of selflessness is one of many we're hearing about after the hate-fueled attack. moments of courage there. >> plus, joe biden holding his first campaign rally in the key swing state of pennsylvania. we'll hear a lot about campaigning there in the coming months. what message does he plan to send to working class voters across the rust belt. >> happening now, boeing's ceo facing shareledders after several whistleblowers said the 737 was blaged by issues, many which they didn't tell operators about. we're on top of it. ♪ limu emu and doug.
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the san diego sheriff now says the man who opened fire on a congregation in a california synagogue acted alone. that 19-year-old suspect now sitting in jail as investigators look into an online manifesto they believe he may have written. he's facing charges of murder and attempted murder after investigators say he killed one person, wounded three others during the passover celebration. today, the synagogue will bury the woman who witnesses say stepped in front of her rabbi after he had been wounded. we're hearing from a man who said his combat training kicked in when he heard that gunfire. >> if he was discharging the
rounds, i ran up to him, and i yelled at him, and he dropped his weapon and ran out and i chased him out of the sanctuary. i was in the military, and i think that's what i -- i ran to fire. that's what i did. i'm not -- i didn't plan it, i didn't think about it. it's just what i did. >> small acts of courage. our sara sidner spoke to the 8-year-old girl who was wounded in the shooting. >> we go to pray. and then we're supposed to, like, supposed to feel safe. >> this 8-year-old wasn't safe. it turned out no one was. a gunman entered their california synagogue on the last day of passover and opened fire. >> i don't even have any words for it. it was terrifying, scary. >> all over his body, full magazines. >> he's covered in bullets. >> he came to kill us, he came to grind us. the amount of bullets that he got on him, he came to destroy this place.
>> her father, israel, was beyond worried. he was terrified for his children. he had no idea noia had already been hit. >> my uncle, he was holding my hand, and he was grabbing me and stuff, and the person who was shooting, he was aiming at him. so it hit him, and the, like, it went like that. it hit me too. >> you got hit with shrapnel. >> yeah. >> little pieces. >> one was pretty big, but these were little pieces. so this was like a pretty big piece. and then it went back here. >> so the piece of shrapnel went in your leg and came out the other side? >> yeah. >> what were you thinking then? did it hurt? >> in the first place, when it was gushing blood, i didn't even feel it. then after they wiped it and the blood was off and it was, like,
it felt like i had the giantest bruise ever. it was hurting bad. >> her uncle had been shot too. >> looking me in the face, and he went to shoot me with the gun. >> yet, he managed to whisk more than a half dozen children to safety as the gunman blew off round after round. >> and then i saw him shooting in our lady that she passed away. terrible feeling. what can i say? it's scary in that we need to live like that. it's just unbelievable. there is no one really to protect us. >> he watched his friend laurie kaye slump. she died of her injuries. >> we have a big loss in the community. a big loss for the community in
poway. she was an amazing woman. >> the terror didn't end there. their rabbi had also been hit. >> i saw the rabbi. he like jumping from pain. his fingers were cut off. he was, like, shot. >> bullets had shredded the rabbi's hands. noya's father tried to help him. >> he doesn't want to go to the hospital. he's still praying and still playing for everybody. and he wants to keep the community strong and tight. >> so the rabbi was refusing to leave the synagogue. >> yeah. yeah. even though he's been shot and even though he's bleeding and i told him, rabbi, please, you're bleeding so much, you can die. no, i will stay here. i build it, i'm going to die here. >> the rabbi survived, but his index finger had to be amputated. he waw one of the main reasons the dahans had moved to poway.
they left israel because a rocket hit their home. they wanted a safer place to raise their five children. they moved to mira mesa, california, but hate found them there, too. swa swastikas were painted on the family's house and car. >> did you leave there out of fear for your family? >> yes, of course, we were sleeping inside a locked bedroom with knives and baseball bat because that's the only way i can protect my family. then i met rabbi goldstein and he said come to our community. >> they loved it. and moved to poway. >> the synagogue is always a safe place to be. we're not supposed to be worried about anything. >> three years later, terror would find them once again. >> i'm feeling scared, unsafe. i just feel like i want to be with my family and in a safe place where the whole family is there. and if someone gets hurt, there's someone always behind us watching out for us.
>> how do you make them feel safe? >> they don't. i cannot. >> you have basically had to run from one place to the next because of anti-semitism. >> yes. this is the right word to use, yes. and i might need to run again. i don't think it will stop soon. i might need to run again. and i need to prepare myself for the next run. >> that's a horrible way to live. >> it is horrible, yeah, but that's the way we live, and it's happened. >> sara sidner, cnn, poway, california. >> just a terrible story. joining me now to discuss is daniel director of the john sloan docky center for unders college. the numbers, it's not just anneck doeecdota anecdotal. it's in the number. hate crimes are up. particularly in the last few years. these are significant increases. 30% there. what do you attribute this to? >> so, there are three things
going on. number one is the internet. the internet has created a place where there are now communities of extremists and they're being affirmed and emboldened by this sense of community. that's clear. the app gab, where white extremists congregate has close to a million participants, which is striking. number two, there's a copycat factor going on now. we have seen the poway shooting came exactly six months after pittsburgh. there have been quite a spate of new attacks, anti-semitic attacks and also anti-muslim and others. and the third thing is the trump factor. >> explain that to me. >> so the president is a norm breaker, and we're all familiar with that. when he demonizes immigrants, when he calls mexicans rapists, when he talks about really bedraggled refugees coming to our borders as terrorists, that opens the floodgate. it gives a green light to people
who are haters and who feel emboldened themselves so they can do something. >> you think of the charlottesville comments. remember david duke and others, they welcomed those comments specifically as somehow affirming their message there. it's striking that the hate, that there's a commonality to the hate. anti-jewish, anti-muslim hate. you look at the manifestos of this shooter and the christchurch attacker. there's a similar white nationalist we're under assault message which as you say has some commonalities with what you hear from the president. >> absolutely. some of that is the copycat element. these people are being weaponized in a way in the same way that isis weaponized a lot of extremist muslim sentiment, and you know, one of the extraordinary things is it comes against a backdrop of declining violence in our society. homicides are at a historic low, relatively speaking. and yet at the same time, we see
hate crime going up. you know, anti-semitism societally ishistorically. people would look more favorably on a jewish president than ever before. >> when you say that, what strikes me is the commonalities with how terrorism happens. this is your mission, you're under assault. it's humiliating, et cetera. is there anything to call this terrorism? >> no, this is clearly a form of terrorism because it's being done to advance an agenda, and that agenda is maybe nebulous, but it has to do with evicting jews from society, evicting muslims from society. it's not how they organize yet. it's pretty nebulous, focused on websites and chat rooms, but i think it is terrorism in any case. >> and a serious one. daniel benjamin, thank you. a healthy baby contracted measles and now his mother is warning parents, trust doctors and science. elizabeth cohen will share his
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just moments from now, the centers for disease control will release new numbers on the spread of measles across the u.s. nearly 700 cases now, this year's outbreak is the largest since the disease was declared eliminated in the u.s. back in 2000. cnn's senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen joins me now.
elizabeth, the key here for a lot of people who refuse based on no science whatsoever to get vaccinated but also an additional problem of people who cannot get the vaccine. explain why this is happening. >> right, it's happening basically what anti-vaxers have spread lies. it started with a medical report that was rescinded but it's continued. a sad era in public health and entirely manmade problem. the return of measles and those affected the most, little babies. walter, a happy, healthy baby in chico, california, then the day after this photo was taken, this happened. the measles. at 5 months old, walter was too young to be vaccinated against this extremely contagious virus that used to kill hundreds of children a year in the u.s. alone. like all babies, he relied on the rest of us to vaccinate. >> it's really sad, but our community failed us. >> his mother sarah writing on facebook last month, this would
have been 100% preventable if people would just trust doctors and science and vaccinate their children. because of them, my little boy had to get measles and suffer. it wasn't always like this. >> incidents of diseases such as measles, mumps, and rubella are at all-time low. >> in 2000, public health officials declared measles eliminated from the united states, but over the past 20 years, anti-vaxers have spread lies. >> they have been telling parents that children are getting injured from vaccines. they're getting autism. we know none of those things are true. >> many parents, including donald trump, fell for it. he tweeted in 2014, healthy young child goes to doctor, gets pumped with massive shot of many vaccines. doesn't feel good and changes. autism. many such cases. the results, so far in 2019, there have been 695 cases of measles in 22 states, surpassing
the highest number on record since the disease was declared eliminated and this year isn't halfway over. on thursday, two universities in los angeles issued a measles quarantine for exposed students and staff who couldn't prove they had been vaccinated. more than 1,000 people ordered to stay home. on friday, president trump changed his tune. >> they have to get the shot. vaccinations are so important. this is really going around now. they have to get their shots. >> but it was too late for walter. as the disease once virtually gone makes a comeback, a public health travesty that didn't have to happen. walter did recover, but his parents will have to worry for years about very rare long-term effects of measles including a potentially deadly brain disease. jim. >> you have a responsibility. take it. >> we do. >> elizabeth cohen, thanks very much. get your shots. there's no science for not doing it. it's why we have measles again.
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his original home state back to blue. arlette saenz is in pittsburgh with the latest. you got a big union endorsement this morning, but president trump is not so happy with it. >> that's right, jim. joe biden is kicking off his campaign here in pittsburgh, when he delivers a speech at a union hall, and he's talking about a middle-class message. earlier this morning, the firefighters union, the international association of firefighters, endorsed biden. and now, president trump is responding to that in a tweet. saying that he'll never get -- trump is saying he himself will never get the support of union leadership, but as the members love trump, they look at our record, tax and regulation cuts, military, et cetera. win. the firefighters union is the first labor group to endorse in this presidential contest. later today, there are going to be some members from that union at that event with joe biden.
biden's coming off a pretty impressive fund-raising figure. last week, his campaign released they had raised $6.3 million in that first 24-hour period. that's more than any of his other democratic primary rivals did in their first day. so that's a big number for joe biden, especially as there had been questions about what his fund-raising would look like in the early start of his campaign. now, after pittsburgh, we're here in pennsylvania, which is one of the states that donald trump brought over to his column from the blue column back in 2016, and democrats really are relying on this state, hoping they can win it in 2020, after pennsylvania, biden heads to iowa tomorrow and wednesday and south carolina later this week. >> arlette saenz, thanks very much. joining me now, julienne roush. good to have you on. just, first on this going after, the president going after the
unions here. joe gets the firefighters union, the endorsement. the president saying in a tweet, well, the union leadership, not actual members who like me. in pennsylvania, is there a gap between union leadership who does the endorsements and union membership? >> i mean, there's a natural gap between the leadership and members, but i was with the firefighters union this morning whenever the president made that announcement to endorse, and you know, he believes that the rank and file members will come along with him. he believes that they feel like they were left behind by the president. you remember, this is the same message in 2016, how they abandoned the democratic party in big numbers to, you know, because they felt like they were left behind. now, i think biden has to shore up support from rank and file. he can't just have the union leadership and the money. that will be very important, but western pennsylvania is a breeding ground for that. >> so president trump's approval
in 2018 in the state of pennsylvania, 42%. a little lower than the national average. typically, you would think not great for a president running for re-election. but i spoke with one of the president's -- the guys who ran trump's campaign in pennsylvania in 2016. and he said that in 2016, he already had a low approval rating, around 39%, still won the state. as you cover the politics there, does that low approval rating threaten the president as he heads into 2020 or does it really depend on who the democrats put up? >> i think it depends on who the democrats put up. in terms of the president feeling threatened by the numbers, you have to look at the midterms last year here in pennsylvania. you had two candidates running for re-election. governor tom wolf and bob casey, knocked back very trumpian candidates to win re-election by wide margins, especially here in western pennsylvania with the white working-class voters that a guy like joe biden would love to secure. i do think it depends.
the pennsylvania republican party is putting out messaging about how the democratic party is straying too hard to the left. it would be hard to make that case if joe biden is the nominee. i think it's a mix of both. >> when you look at the house races, a lot of pick-ups in 2018, democrats win, very moderate candidates like conor lamb. pennsylvania like the country, but even by some measures better than the country economically. what is joe biden's message or what do folks want to hear from him on the economy when he's running against maybe a flawed president, but one with good economic numbers? >> well, you know, i think it comes down to joe biden being able to make the case that the republican tax plan, for example, didn't benefit the people that the president said it would benefit. you saw this in conor lamb's second race last year, because of the redistricting here in pennsylvania when he ran against incumbent republican keith rothfus. he ran on the republican tax
bill saying you're going to see more money in your paychecks, in your tax returns and voters went to the ballot box and said widely we didn't feel the impact. we felt like the republican tax plan was benefitting the top 1%. i think the economic numbers are really. >> here. i think it depends on who voters feel are responsible for the numbers. i don't know if they think the president is responsible for helping them. >> fair question. jewulian right, good to have yo. >> happening now, boeing meeting with its shareholders following two deadly crash. this as cnn learns about new fears from whistleblowers on the troubled 737 max-3. we'll have an update coming up.
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we're learning new information this morning about a pledge that the u.s. signed agreeing to pay north korea $2 million for the medical care of the detained student otto warmbier as a condition of his freedom. this morning, the man who signed that pledge, former special representative for policy, joseph yun, told me his understanding was that order was approved by president trump. >> was it your understanding that secretary tillerson had the president's approval for that? >> it was my understanding. i never asked him, but that was my understanding. >> this was coming directly from the president, who has since said he would never pay such ransoms, he called them. now, bolton says the u.s. has not paid this money yet. will the u.s. pay this money? is that your understanding? >> jim, i don't know.
i left the government about a year ago. and i know until i had left, u.s. government had not paid the money. my view is that, of course, this involves two separate decisions. one is should we sign. we did sign. second, having signed, should we pay? my view is yes. if you signed, if you promised another government from the u.s. government that you would make the pavement, my view certainly is that we should go ahead and meet our end of the commitment. >> a source tells cnn north korea has so far not since raised the issue of the $2 million payment. >> right now, boeing comes face-to-face with shareholders for the first time since two deadly crashes involving a boeing jet. the company held its annual meeting in chicago. all of this unfolding as the "wall street journal" reports that company did not alert the
faa or southwest airlines it had deactivated a key safety feature on its 737 max jets. cnn business correspondent cristina alesci joins me now. it's interesting because clients who bought a certain package of services, they were notified. others who did not were not. that's inexplicable. >> the "wall street journal" is reporting that the 737 did come with a feature that essentially alerted pilots to any faulty or incorrect data coming in from sensors that would have helped in these particular crashes. and perhaps avoided them. the paper alleges or is reporting, rather, that boeing did not tell the airlines that it had shut off this feature. so this is yet another negative headline for boeing, lots of questions at the shareholder meeting today. and the ceo addressing the "wall
street journal" reporting indirectly by saying that it does not make airplanes with optional safety features, but this is a long -- this is another negative story in a long list of negative stories about the company. and during the shareholder meeting, you saw shareholders try and hold the company's leadership accountable for these missteps by proposing things like separating the role of the ceo and chairman. also, shareholders wanted to see more lobbying disclosures around how much the company has spent in lobbying because there were reports that the faa and boeing had this cozy relationship and that may have impacted manufacturing going forward. so there's a lot of questions around this, jim. >> sure, reasonable to ask, will senior management be held accountable for this? people died. there's also cnn reporting that four employees, boeing employees, they called an faa
whistleblower hotline to report safety issues. what kind of issues? >> one of the major complaints the faa may be focusing on is a foreign object somehow impacted the wiring of the anti-stall system or the sensors in that anti-stall system and that may have caused a huge problem. that might open up a whole new line of investigation from the faa. so we'll have to see how that plays out. but clearly, this is not the end of the story for boeing. >> thanks very much. still to come, the nra's full board meeting today to decide their next president, after a bitter power struggle at the very top of the organization. has been excellent. they really appreciate the military family and it really shows. with all that usaa offers why go with anybody else? we know their rates are good, we know that they're always going to take care of us. it was an instant savings and i should have changed a long time ago. it was funny because when we would call another insurance company, hey would say "oh we can't beat usaa" we're the webber family. we're the tenney's
oliver north appears to be out as president of the nra. the decision ends a bitter fight for dominance with the organization's ceo, wayne lapierre. as the new york attorney general has started a probe into the organization. polo sandoval joins me. what is this new probe the new york attorney general is looking into? >> it's important to point out that the attorney general's office in the state of new york hasn't said specifically what this investigation is hoping to uncover, but i'll touch on three different things that are important to consider here. the first one is a gun safety group has recently filed a complaint, for example, alleging financial mishandling by this nonprofit group. we have also seen extensive investigative reporting by publications including the new yorker. in that reporting, there are allegations that top executives of the nra extracted hundreds of millions of dollars from the budget. and also most importantly, the message that was transmitted to
nra members over the weekend by outgoing president oliver north, and in that message, before stepping down, he warned there's a, quote, clear crisis threatening the nonprofit status of the nra. we have heard from various nra members here during the annual meeting that took place in indianapolis. and there's mixed feelings about that. many think that so-called clear crisis has to do with this power struggle we have seen play out between outgoing president north and wayne lapierre, which is one of the most prominent faces of the nra, and also who believe it is really about this financial mismanaging. for its part, the nra legal team has said that they are cooperating with this investigation with the state of new york and that they are, in their own words, confident in the accounting capabilities and their finances as well. but trump seizing on the opportunity this morning, jim, taking to twitter saying he is accusing the state of new york, mainly the attorney general and the governor of illegally
investigating. however, he did say that the nra needs to get its act together quickly. jim. >> polo, thanks very much. >> thanks for joining me and us today. i'm jim sciutto. "at this hour" with kate bolduan starts right now. hello, everyone. i'm kate bolduan. thank you for joining me today. funeral services are scheduled today for the woman shot and killed this weekend. as she was simply trying to pray. killed inside her synagogue. killed, witnesses say, while trying to shield her rabbi as they both faced down a gunman. lori kaye was 60 years old. she was in poway outside san diego on saturday to mark the end of passover and also to pray for her mother who had passed away in november. lori kaye, that 60-year-old woman, mother, wife, and much