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to save 30% on all the medications we carry. so go directly to now. this is cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. our explosive breaking news. a source telling cnn that special counsel robert mueller sent a letter to attorney general william barr expressing misgivings about how barr characterized his findings and saying the attorney general didn't fully capture the substance and conclusions of mueller's 448-page report. and tonight barr has released his written statement pour the record for the senate judiciary committee hearing, a hearing that is set to begin in a matter
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of hours. a statement that reads in part. when i appeared before the committee just a few months ago for my confirmation hearings, senators asked for two commitments concerning the special counsel's investigation. first, that i would allow the special counsel to finish his investigation without interference, and second, that i would release his report to congress and to the american public. i believe that the record speaks for itself. the special counsel completed his investigation as he saw fit. as i informed congress on march 22, 2019, at no point did i or anyone at the department of justice overrule the special counsel on any proposed action. in addition, immediately upon receiving his confidential report to me, we began working with the special counsel to prepare it for public release and on april 18, 2019, i released a public version subject only to limited redactions that were necessary to comply with the law and to protect important governmental interests. well, that is from the attorney
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general's written statement for the record ahead of tomorrow's hearing where he will certainly be forced to answer questions about mueller's letter there is a lot to discuss. let's bring in some folks to help me along, to help us all along many this hour. i want to bring in shimon prokupecz, juliette kayyem and harry litman. thank you all for joining us. shimon, you have covered every twist and turn of this investigation for the last two years. i don't envy you, much closer than i have had to. how stunning is this news, the news of this letter from robert mueller? >> it's pretty stunning when you think about the fact that we have not really heard from robert mueller throughout this entire investigation, throughout in entire process. the only time we have heard from his team is through court records. and what we're seeing here is obvious disagreement from the mueller team, from robert mueller himself in this letter to the attorney general, and it's all about context. it's all about nuance. it's all about how they handled
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the beginning stages of releasing this report in that four-page letter that was ultimately released where he made the -- the attorney general made some statements that now mueller and his team have disagreed with. and it set the tone. it set the tone in terms of how this went from that day on. and what mueller said was he had issues with how the media certainly handled it, the impression that was left in the media by the attorney general. and certainly this is all -- keep in mind this is all having to do with the obstruction issue, which he feels was not properly described. mueller does not feel was properly described to the american people. >> harry, here is what my producers say. you say sending this letter to the doj is like jumping off the empire state building for anyone else. why do you say that? >> for robert mueller, who is the ultimate laconic good soldier, maybe i should say lighting yourself on fire in front of the department of
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justice. look, we're talking about three days after that letter, you can imagine how royal things were within the counsel's office. it isn't simply context and nuance. he comes and sends a letter which he knows will eventually become public. he is making a record that says the substance has been misconstrued and asking for his summaries, his actual words to be released, something that people were clamoring for at the time. and it took a month until it happened. a month in which bill barr's assessment of things was able to hold sway without any contradiction. this is a very serious pushback from mueller. it portends a bigger rift between them. and then there is a whole mystery, by the way. what happened between the 5th when they meet and the 27th when it's released, and since then that mueller is completely off the scene and barr knows that mueller disagrees and
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notwithstanding which barr both testifies and tells the press he doesn't know about it. there is more stones to turn over here. >> juliette, this is all coming just hours before the attorney general appears before the senate judiciary committee. it can't be a coincidence. in his prepared remarks, he will say this. i'm going to read it, and i want you to address afterwards. he says after the special counsel submitted the confidential report on march 22nd, i determined that it was in the public interest for the department to announce the investigation's bottom line conclusions, that is the determination whether a provable crime has been committed or not. i did so in my march 24 letter. i did not believe it was in the public interest to release additional portions of the report in piecemeal fashion, leading to public debate over incomplete information. my main focus was the prompt release of a public version of the report so that congress and the american people could read it for themselves and draw their own conclusions.
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so barr says his focus was to get as much information out as possible, but this doesn't square with mueller's letter that says he shouldn't get the summaries out, that he should get the summaries out, i should say. >> that's exactly right there. were summaries that would have been those bottom line conclusions. that was a slip. conclusions about what mueller's findings were. and that paragraph that you just read is internally inconsistent. on the one hand, barr says i wanted to get the bottom line conclusions out to the president. and he says at the end so they can make their own conclusions. and we know this, because barr's four-page letter was just part of the conclusions. and so i just want to remind everyone that one of the most egregious aspects of the four-pager that mueller clearly was responding to didn't just have to do with the obstruction of justice, it was when barr took out that klaus before saying that there was no collusion between russia and the trump campaign. the clause before said, of
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course, that there were multiple contacts and that the trump campaign intended to benefit from what russia was doing. and so those misrepresentations, as well as the obstruction of justice misrepresentations means that barr wanted his sense of what the bottom line conclusions to feed this narrative, and both were wrong. we now know that there was extensive contacts between trump campaign and russia. that seems to me to be the bottom line conclusion here, and that also that mueller did not decide the obstruction of justice case, not because he necessarily didn't have the facts, but because the doj rule prohibited him from prosecuting or indicting the sitting president. >> okay. so now, harry, i want to read part of mueller's march 27th letter. the summary letter the department sent to congress and released to the public late in the afternoon of march 24th did not fully capture the context, nature and substance of this office's work and conclusions. there is now public confusion about critical aspects of the
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results of our investigation. this threatens to undermine a central purpose for which the department appointed the special counsel, to assure full public confidence in the outcome of the investigations. does this letter confirm that the attorney general of the united states was working to cover up the special counsel's investigation or at least to gloss it over to make things look better for the president? >> it's a screaming indictment, and it's a bombshell. and somewhere in the rubble may be bill barr's reputation. we're going to find that out tomorrow. but the bigger point, it's not only that he sent the letter, but the letter we haven't known about for a month and the summaries we haven't known about for a month. and you know what else we still don't know to this day is why barr decided to counter manned mueller. barr says in his statement for tomorrow we didn't do anything to contradict the special counsel. that's just not true. the mueller concluded that we
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cannot exculpate him, and barr went ahead and did so for reasons that are still mysterious. was it just a kind of, well, if you don't say yes, you must say no, or was there some evidence that barr, who has never been a prosecutor was looking toward. the american people do not have the first ounce of the explanation here of the most important decision the department of justice has made since the saturday night massacre. >> well, remember, harry, rosenstein reportedly said to the president, to members of the administration, i can land this plane when it comes to the mueller investigation. >> well, he did, right? and that's certainly going to add to an unsettling kind of suspicion of the sort that you're making. but, again, is will rosenstein say well, i saw the evidence differently. barr does say at the press conference that poor trump was overwrought and frustrated. we don't know where the hell
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that came from and whether that was intended to negative the intent of mueller's 22-month meticulous investigation. really we are on this most consequential decisions completely in the dark. >> well, i have to say, it's a bit surprising, and i don't know if it should be, but let's just say it's a bit surprising. you've done a 180. you said you were happy with the fact that barr was going to become the ag. you gave him the benefit of the doubt. and now? >> and now, right. yes. okay. call me out perfectly fairly. i thought he was -- >> i'm not saying that to be unfair to you. >> no, no, no. it's perfectly fair. look, i do think, as have others who really had faith in barr that something has happened here. i don't -- there are -- the debate can go forward about why exactly, what is motivating him. but i think it's beyond.
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it's a very sad conclusion, but beyond dispute that he has not been playing the hand straight since the 27th. and even more than that, we don't yet know some of the most important things. this mueller/barr rift will continue to play out. and you are right, don. it has shaken me and my previous confidence. >> and just to make a point, keep in mind both barr and mueller have been friends for a long time. we don't know where their friendship stands now. and the other thing is for the attorney general. when you look at the entire way that they have rolled this out, from the time mueller ended to the press conference to even now where we're not hearing about this letter until today. it's a big problem for the department of justice. when you think about everything that they've been through, under sessions, with what the president has done to the department of justice and the fbi, and now we have kind of the barr promise -- >> do you think it stains their
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credibility? >> it does. it certainly stains the attorney general's credibility because he argued i'm going to be as transparent as i can, and i'm going to come and put everything forward, and he certainly has made it seem that he was going to do that with the release of that four-page letter. and then when we start learning more and more, well, actually, maybe things aren't being put forward as they should. and the fact that we're just learning about this letter, even when he testified before congress, when he held that press conference. >> i'm glad you brought that up. i'm glad you brought that up -- >> he had no idea what mueller thought. >> that's very important. and i'm going to play it. juliette, i want you to respond to it, because he denied knowing. shimon just brought it up and harry as well. denied knowing twice. this was early april. this was after he had gotten the letter from mueller. watch this. >> mr. attorney general, the thing is, you put this out there. i mean, the president went out and tweeted the next day that he was exonerated.
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that wasn't based on anything in the mueller report with respect to obstruction of justice. that was based on your assessment. that was on march 24th. did bob mueller support your conclusion? >> i don't know whether bob mueller supported my conclusion. >> reports have emerged recently, general, that members of the special counsel's team are frustrated at some level with thely. ed information included in your march 24th letter, that it does not adequately or accurately necessarily portray the report's findings. do you know what they're referencing with that? >> no, i don't. >> so juliette, did he think this letter would never come out? >> yeah, i think this is -- this is like the big question that i think a lot of people like harry, but many others who are supportive, we can't quite figure out. that is does barr think we're stupid or is he stupid? in other words, everyone knew -- how could you sit there and say
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mueller was fine with what i'm saying knowing that there is this letter and knowing the kind of reporting that is being done, and knowing that mueller had the capacity to come forward at any time. he has not yet as far as we know, but this letter is the beginning, right? it's the documentation. he's greasing the runway for either testimony or after a subpoena. so -- there might be a third theory here, which is that barr has no other options because the facts in both volume 1 about the russians, which i want to remind everyone is the scary national security one and volume 2, obstruction of justice are so bad that barr literally is just throwing a lot of things at the wall, hoping anything sticks. the good news here is that barr has failed miserably. and so even though he was able to set a narrative for a month, i just want to remind everyone. the polling is horrible on this issue. most americans believe that president trump is -- did something wrong.
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the media has now, you know, you fool me once, okay. fool me twice, mr. barr, not again. >> right. >> has he lost congress? we're going to see that over the next few days? and now has he lost mueller? to me whatever play he thought he had, he's lost every aspect of it. >> well, it's going to be interesting to see what happens over the next several days. i appreciate all of you joining us. thanks very much. a lot more breaking news. julian castro calling for the attorney general to face impeachment. he's going to tell me why, next. so again, using "para", you're talking about something that is for someone. ♪ pretty good. could listening to audible inspire you to start something new? download audible and listen for a change.
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you joining us. thank you. especially with this breaking news. give me your react to the news tonight. you're calling on the attorney general to resign or possibly face impeachment? >> what you have is an attorney general that has actively misleading the public and congress. you know, the attorney general takes an oath to defend the constitution, and at every juncture, what is clear is that this attorney general instead has tried to be donald trump's personal lawyer, trying to defend donald trump. and that's not the role of the oregon. people will remember that the summary he sent out about the mueller report didn't reflect the fact that bob mueller had found ten different instances of potential obstruction of just e justice. he also misled the american public about whether bob mueller thought under department of justice guidelines that he could move forward with an indictment
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against the president. on top of that, and i know thn congressional testimony, he got asked by congressman chris and senator van hollen questions about whether bob mueller agreed with his conclusions in his summary, and he gave very misleading answers to those questions. so he's completely compromised. he ought to resign or they should be impeachment inquiry. >> so you know, secretary, that there has been this consternation among democrats about whether to proceed with impeachment, at least investigating and proceed with impeachment proceeding against the president. the question is there growing pressure now for two impeachments, the attorney general and the president? and is that wise? >> i think both of them are appropriate. and on capitol hill right now,
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you have this heartburn among democrats whether they should move forward. and a lot of that is centered on whether they think it's essentially the right thing to do. but that's not what the constitution calls for. i don't think that this is a political call. i think the question is are you being to hold this president accountable for the fact that on ten different instances, he either tried or did obstruct justice. and are you going to hold this attorney general accountable for the fact that he is actively misled the american public and the united states congress about the findings of the special counsel's report. and i believe the is yes, you need to hold him accountable. >> secretary, we've read a little bit of the written testimony, the prepared testimony from william barr tomorrow basically saying that he says that he believes the record speaks for itself.
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it's just me summarizing this, a little bit of what the beginning statement, the opening statement says. what are you expecting to hear from bill barr's testimony tomorrow? >> well, i mean, if history is a guide about the members of this administration, i think what we're going hear is a very defensive and testy attorney general. they tend to push back. they tend to, you know, create a lot of smoke, to try to put these congressional congressmen or congresswomen on their heels, but never really get to the heart of the matter. and that's what i expect from him. i don't think we're going to get much from him in the way of substance on why he's tried to mislead the american public. and essentially serve as for the president instead of the people's lawyer, which he is supposed to be as the attorney general.
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>> secretary julian castro, thank you for your time, sir. i appreciate it. i know you're very busy out on the campaign trail. we thank you for joining us for this breaking news. >> glad to be with you, don. >> so-so far tonight, we haven't heard anything about robert mueller's objection to how the attorney general described his report, not even a tweet. will the president start to lash out? here's one you guys will like.
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access netflix, prime video, youtube and more, all with the sound of your voice. click, call or visit a store today. so here is our breaking news. special counsel robert mueller sent a letter to the attorney general, a letter objecting to the way barr characterized the findings of the russia investigation in his four-page summary. so how will republicans respond to this? let's bring in peter wiener, michael d'antonio. the author of "the truth about trump." hello one and all. peter, you first tonight. mueller's by all account is a by the books guy, as everyone says. he is procedural, right? when you hear the language that he used, the fact that he even wrote the letter to document his disagreement with barr, this is from a life-long republican, by the way.
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should other republicans take note of this? >> they should, but they won't. at least they won't publicly. you're exactly right. for a person of robert mueller's disposition and temperament and history, he is a by the books guy. he follows the rules, chain of command. for him to do this, to write this kind of a letter and to use language he did is pretty extraordinary, basically pulled the pin on a political grenade and handed it to the attorney general. so it's a huge deal. the republican party long ago threw her hat over the wall for donald trump. it doesn't matter what his corruptions are, what's exposed about him. they will not as a party institutionally confront him, speak out against him. now and then, there is a person like mitt romney that will. but the party itself decided long ago that they would be his sword and his shield, and that
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hasn't changed. >> i got to ask you, peter. let me just read some of this testimony tomorrow from the senate judiciary committee, okay. and barr will say this. he said the exercise of responding and reacting to the report is a matter for the american people and the political process, as i am sure you agree, it is vitally important for the department of justice to stand apart from the political process and not to become an adjunct of it. after everything that he has done in the roll-out of this report, how can he now say it is time pour the doj to stand apart? >> that's a risible statement. this is life in trump world where reality gets inverted. the attorney general has politicized this process. look, i went into this. i was in the administration. george h.w. bush administration with mr. barr. i gave him the benefit of the doubt when he was appointed, but this the latest link in the chain of misrepresentation. and he's acted inappropriately.
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he's basically steve bannon with a suit and a tie and a clean shave. and that shouldn't be the case. he is the attorney general, and he is acting in ways that are clearly misleading. and as you showed in the previous couple of segments, he misled congress. he went in to this trying to frame it in a way that was fundamentally dishonest, really, in a way that was favorable to the president. and that is really sad. and it shows that the people who get in the orbit of donald trump almost without exception are st stained by it or corrupted by it. i'm afraid that william barr is the latest person to add to that long list. >> it's very sad. michael, you know, speaking of framing, the barr framing of mueller's findings was in the public for nearly a month, and it gave the president a lot of time to exploit it. i want you listen to this and then we'll talk. >> there was no obstruction, and
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none whatsoever. it was a complete and total exoneration. >> the mueller report was great. it could not have been better. it said no obstruction, no collusion. it could not have been better. >> the finding was very, very strong. no collusion, no obstruction. >> so all of this was in between the barr four-page letter and then the mueller letter that we learned about today. was the way this rolled out exactly what president trump wanted? they were going to use it to exploit what they -- what they wanted it to say? >> absolutely. so he was the quarterback and he called the play. and william barr executed. and when you hear the president say no collusion, no obstruction, what i hear is no integrity, no loyalty to fact, no commitment to a duty to the american people. if we had a normal president, a
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normal human being leading our country, he would be outraged by something like the barr betrayal of robert mueller, but instead we should expect that he is going to come out and sow confusion. every american knows that this is what he is going to do. he is going to bash mueller. mueller probably get a nickname. it's going to be another pathetic display of distortion and deception. >> michael, the president's attorney, rudy giuliani says that mueller should have made a decision and shouldn't be complaining or whining now that he didn't get described correctly. is he going to be the president's spin, that mueller -- is this going to be the spin that he missed his chance, that mueller missed his chance? >> it will be. and, you know, this is the main activity not only of the president, but also of mr.
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giuliani who as peter said, he's someone who has come into donald trump's orbit. he has been caught by the gravitational pull of the habitual lying and the president's salesmanship. you know, sometimes i wonder if donald trump isn't the greatest salesman in the world, and if he isn't capable of persuading otherwise regular human beings to hand over their reputations, to flush away their place in history in service to a cause that is really rotten. and so now we have mr. barr, whose place in history has been forever soiled, and we have rudy giuliani who is no longer america's mayor, no one someone we remember for 9/11, but someone who is regarded as a joke. so he is attorney as salesperson.
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>> the question is did people give barr too much credit in the first place considering his reputation from other presidents in the past. listen, i'll ask that to my next panel. i've got to go. we have a bunch of people waiting. but i appreciate your patience and your time. thank you, gentlemen. the robert mueller objecting to the attorney general's description of his report hours before he is set to testify before congress. last time he testified publicly, barr got the benefit of the doubt from a lot of people, but will he tomorrow? i tell everyone to take the ancestrydna test if you want to get the most details about your family history. my pie chart showed that i'm from all over europe, but then it got super specific. i learned my people came from a small region in poland and even a little bit of the history about why they might have migrated during that time. those migration patterns are more
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so the attorney general is set to testify tomorrow before the senate judiciary committee.
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and tonight top democrats are demanding that special counsel robert mueller testify publicly as well. let's discuss. renata mar mariotti is here. good evening to all of you. another turn of events, shall we say that we have to discuss. susan, talk about the significance of mueller's letter coming out just hours before barr is due to testify. >> well, here we go again in the sense that you do see the justice department playing very aggressively over and over again trying to put things like this, damaging things out in advance to shape the narrative. they're already clearly aware that barr is facing two days of tough questioning up on capitol hill. but it's a bombshell either way, whether they pre-spin it or not. what i am left wondering, as i think a lot of people are tonight what was attorney general barr thinking when he gave that press conference before releasing the mueller report after he had already
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received this letter from mueller. he knew one way or the other this was probably going to come out. he knew that the historical record would show that the special counsel believed that he had lied and misrepresented at a minimum the findings of this report, a very serious report. i'm just flabbergasted about this. and i think he is going to face a withering barrage on capitol hill tomorrow. >> renato, why aren't we hearing from barr tomorrow, when we should be hearing from the special counsel himself, robert mueller? >> well, the doj has not scheduled an interview of mueller. i think that's just emblematic of the approach that barr and his justice department has taken towards congress. you know, congress has a constitutional responsibility to investigate wrongdoing by the president. that's their constitutional role, and he has refused to provide the full report that is due tomorrow. the house judiciary committee said they won't get it, and they've been trying to schedule mueller. they've been trying to schedule other witnesses like don mcgahn,
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with no success. i'm sure that will be a question that is asked tomorrow. and of course barr wants i think to be the one to shape the story line, so he wants to go first. >> scheduling mueller, matt, what's the holdup? >> i think, you know -- >> you're choked up by this reporting tonight? >> very emotional. look, i think what renato said is exactly right. the attorney general has sought from the out set to set the narrative on this, to stress no collusion, no obstruction, which are also talking points we've also heard from the white house. and that in going first, in making sure he gets out there and then dealing with mueller later, we'll schedule that later, he gets a chance to promote that narrative, to kind of this is what we want to do. this is how it is. and i think, you know, every step of the way they'll be keeping that challenge. this letter is more evidence of that. it's not no obstruction, no
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collusion. it's a lot more complicated than that. >> so what about the fact that rod rosenstein resigned with an obsequious letter yesterday just before this report broke? is that suspicious? is that just a kwinky-dink? susan? >> one thing you can say about the trump administration is it's been the great shredder of reputations. attorney general barr, rod rosenstein, they will forever have their careers at this point associated with the actions and decisions they've taken essentially to support president trump. many people will see this i think historically as an incredible erosion of the independence and possibly the integrity of the justice department. certainly it represents a pretty definitive break with the traditions of the justice department since the end of watergate and the effort to
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inside it will and protect our law enforcement system from this kind of perceived political influence. >> susan, let me ask you this. let me ask you this on what you said. you talked about their reputations. but obviously, they care about something more than their reputation. >> yeah. >> what it is? why is it that william barr and others would allow this to happen to their reputations and to their legacies? >> don, you know, that's the question. it's the one that i ask myself every day. i feel like the psychology of this movement is just as interesting and puzzling as the law of it, as the details of it that we're poring over right now. you know, again, what it is? what is the hold that donald trump has over these folks that makes them abase themselves in public like rosenstein letter, that makes them do things that seems to be at odds with the rest of their careers? >> don -- >> william barr -- hold that thought until the other side of the break. i'll just let you respond on the
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so i'm back now with renato, susan, and matthew. so listen, renato, you have to wonder why bill barr would risk his integrity, his name, his credibility to carry his career to cover for president trump. it's a question that i asked susan earlier. >> yeah, i have to say bill barr is somebody who is obviously a very big deal in the early '90s when he was attorney general, but i just have to wonder whether or not he wants to be relevant again. i think you could say that about a lot of the people around trump's orbit, right? his legal team consisted of
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people like rudy giuliani and john doud and ty cobb and others who were nearing the end of their career and wanted to have a big role in an important investigation. here you have somebody, bill barr, who i think wanted to be back in the center, in the thick of things. and we're all on television talking about what mr. barr is doing, and i suspect a few years ago, most of us didn't remember who bill barr was. so i think unfortunately, for a lot of people, they're willing to put a lot on the line in order to get that attention and relevance. and it's really unfortunate in the case of mr. barr, because he is supposed to be working for all of us. >> what do you see happening next? matthew, do you -- obviously, he releases his prepared statement for the senate tomorrow. what do -- do you have any idea? does anyone have any idea what's going to happen later in the week when he is supposed to go and testify before congress? >> i imagine it's going to be contentious as expected. i mean, i think this really puts
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democrats in a difficult position. >> how so? there. >> are a bunch of them already pushing for impeachment. this is going to increase the pressure on them. their leadership, however, wary. it does not look like the public is kind of there yet, if they're ever going to be there. >> well, matthew, let me ask you. >> yeah. >> the public is not there yet. but what if other things keep coming out like this? i'm just asking, and maybe they won't be. do you think that changes the equation at all? >> i mean, it's really hard to say. there are things in the mueller report that would be hard to imagine, i guess, before the trump presidency would have been hard to imagine any president surviving politically or legally. but here we are. so it's really hard to figure out what tips the balance here. what would make impeachment plausible? what would make it no way, it's never going to happen. >> but you have to are the hearing, matthew. how many people actually sit down and read a 448-page report. well can preach or talk until
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we're blue in the face and tell everybody this is in the report. but they're going to see the headline on their phone or perhaps listen to the president. i think it's important that it plays out, you know, in the senate and in the congress. no? >> no, absolutely. absolutely. but it's going to be very partisan hearings. pretty sure of that. >> yeah. susan, let me ask you. let's talk about bill barr's history at the justice department. because he is currently leading the justice department. but his history there, how he served in a political fashion in the past and helped another president out of a jam. >> well, that's right. i saw historians tweeting a remembrance of a bill safire column calling essentially even in 1992 bill barr the general cover-up or something like that for an earlier brush with the independent counsel statute and appointing a special counsel to
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end a political controversy. this is sort of the opposite, appearing to play cleanup for the president in order to get a special counsel's investigation off of his plate. it's a highly political and politicized interpretation of the job. we knew that from the beginning when in this presidency, when barr essentially auditioned for the job with a memo undercutting the legitimacy of some of the ways in which special counsel mueller's mandate was drawn up. and, you know, that, again, is what i'm struck by. if you read his testimony that they released for tomorrow, it ends on a note of real political sank money, essentially saying, well, gee, we wouldn't want. i was trying to be transparent and we wouldn't want to politicize this process and have the justice department in the middle of this political process. that's the last sentence of the testimony that has been prepared for general barr tomorrow. i don't know if he'll actually read that out loud or not, but
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if he does, my guess is there will be guffaws in the audience up on capitol hill there has always been politics in this. remember nixon's attorney general mitchell actually went to jill and was convicted of obstruction of justice among other issues. you already heard i think tonight on your program, don, some democrats beginning to call for barr's impeachment as well as the impeachment of donald trump. so that's one thing we could see. but remember, who are we not hearing from tonight? we're not hearing from republicans. and in the end, has the math changed? you still would need 20 republican votes to change in the senate in order to remove barr or to remove trump. and you know what? we're not even going to get 20 statements from senate republicans commenting on this issue. i mean, it's extraordinary how they feel that there is no political consequence for them, not even to have a mild mannered statement. there was a tweet tonight from
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senator from hawaii ryan chad saying i'm hearing tonight a bunch of senate republicans are really upset about this and are planning to do nothing. and that sort of summed up where we are. >> renato, i'm running out of time, so quickly, if you can. barr, he got the benefit of the doubt from many. not all, but many on his initial rounds of testimony. for example, unsolicited 19-page memo undercutting mueller's investigation. what about now? >> yeah, i have to say now the senators should feel like they were deceived. i think they do, and i think we're going to get a lot of tough questioning. and just wait before he is before the house judiciary committee and getting questions from lawyers. it's going to be interesting. >> thank you all. fascinating day. what a turn of events. we shall see what happens tomorrow and the rest of the week. get some rest now. thank you. thanks for watching. our coverage continues.
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