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them at every front. having a baby boy has been the most amazing experience. >> it was an incredible day. harry and meghan managed to evade the paparazzi. >> i'm over the moon. you have a new american prince. >> announcer: this is "new day" with alisyn camerota and john berman. >> i like our new music, our new open music. >> it's like dlireliverance. >> just saying. >> good afternoon and welcome to your new day, it's tuesday, may 7th, 8:00 in the east. a new battleground in the growing feud between the white house and house democrats. treasury secretary steve mnuchin refusing to hand over president trump's tax returns, insisting that the request put, quote, lacks a legitimate legislative purpose. mnuchin's refusal sets the stage for a potentially lengthy legal battle. >> today members of the house judiciary are set to meet with justice department officials who have refused to turn over the full unredacted mueller report
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if they cannot reach an agreement democrats are planning to vote tomorrow to hold attorney general william barr in contempt. former white house counsel don mcgahn could also face a contempt citation if he doesn't turn over documents related to the mueller investigation by 10:00 this morning. so contempt on mcgahn, contempt on barr, it could all happen this week. joining us now is maggie haberman, cnn political analyst. maggie, thanks for being with us. do you get the sense that the administration cares about being held in contempt if that's a stick being held up by congress, is it one that the administration is afraid of? >> not particularly. i mean, i think you have to remember that unless you use the most exotic form of trying to hold someone in criminal contempt through congress, that this would then end up as a referral back to the department of justice and where do you think bill barr is going to end up on this? i don't think that they care particularly, i think we have seen the president use the strategy of stonewalling over a very long period of time and i think politically it has more
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often than not been successful for him. i think you are going to see both the president's folks within the white house and his private company as well as congress increase i cannily turning to the third branch of government, the courts, to try to adjudicate this going forward. >> let's talk about the president's taxes because so many inquiring minds on both sides obviously of the aisle wanted to know what was in them. president trump has been completely resistant, though he promised to release them. so people thought that maybe when the chairman of the house ways and means sent that request that suddenly they were going to be able to see what was in president trump's taxes and now steve mnuchin, the treasury secretary, is putting the kibosh on that and saying that he won't release them. this, too, i suppose, will go to court. i mean, this was an interesting decision by treasury secretary steve mnuchin because he didn't have to decide. that the law says that he shall furnish them upon request. >> lawyers are pretty clear on
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where the law is. i think what steve mnuchin did is completely unsurprising. mnuchin is a loyalist to the president, i think that his body language for months had indicated that this is what he was going to do, ever since democrats took over the house and made clear they were going to go for the president's taxes. what's interesting to me about what mnuchin said in explaining why he is not doing it is he's healing to the same line thoot trump organization did when it filed a suit to try to quash subpoenas against two companies related to the president's financial records, which is these serve no legislative purpose. so what you are seeing the broader trump orbit try to do is relegate congress' only role to legislation. that is obviously not congress' only role, oversight is part of their role, too. it's going to be up to a court to decide at this point whether trying to get the taxes is part of the oversight or not. >> and winning may not be the ultimate goal here. >> right. >> the delay might be enough. >> that's right. >> the delay could easily work in the administration's favor.
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maggie, i want you to talk about that also in light of the new poll numbers that are out. gallup has the president at 46% approval which is an all time high in gallup's rating. does the white house see this and say why not fight, why not do this more, we are not paying a cost at it. >> i think if the president were at 29% he would be doing the same thing. this is what he does and this is his playbook and his playbook is to get others to bend toward his will, whether it is people or institutions. we have seen it over and over for four years. we covered him before that, we saw it prior to that so none of this is a surprise. do i think they have a data point that they can say, see, look, there is no harm to us? yes. i'm not personally compelled at 46% and gallup is some massive improvement for him, it's definitely a high, he still has a majority of voters disapproving of him and so i don't think that's a great place for a president who is facing reelection. i do think it's a reminder of something that some folks around him talk about, which is that, you know, the economy if it stays strong is going to be his
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calling card, it's why he has focused so extensively on china and on the fed, and could there be a lag in the kind of support that he sees with the public in terms of the economy and approval ratings. >> okay. let's talk about another one of your reporting -- some of your reporting today and that is all of the talk about how exorbitant the inaugural parties were. just record breaking. something like $26 million spent on them. people always wondered where the money went, what the money was for. one of the women who took the fall at the time was stephanie winston wolkoff she organized some of it. you have a quote from her saying was i fired? no. did i personally receive $26 million or $1.6 million, her fee? no. was i thrown under the bus? yes. why a year later is she speaking out now and what does she say happened? >> she gave us a statement in
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response to a different project we were working on, the request he about the inaugural spending she said she wouldn't discuss that, she couldn't because of the legally binding nondisclosure agreement she had signed, said if she was exempted from that she would be delighted to talk. instead she did talk about her parting of the ways with the white house which was acrimonious and it was right after the "times" report about the 990 filing that the inaugural committee made which detailed this spending and showed this company that she had incorporated, wis, as the top recipient. that a cut from that that went to a firm that she had was $1.62 million and then that was spread among a bunch of employees. the information that we were given was that she received, you know, $500,000 of that personally and not $1.6 million directly to her and that the bulk of the $26 million went to a company that was created by producers affiliated with mark burnett, the creator of the apprentice with donald trump.
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the inaugural was this hodgepodge of different people from different aspects of the trump life who were all sort of forced to work together. they raised a record amount of money, 107 million indicat$107 chaired by tom barack and they spent exorbitantly on a lot of things. we now know that the southern district of new york in one of the outgrowths of the michael cohen case is looking at not just the spending but the fundraising. we don't know where that will go, but there was certainly a lot more that stephanie winston wolkoff wanted to say and how she felt about how she was treated by people in the trump world when she was parting ways with them, which in her words was being thrown under the bus. >> if i see the phrase was i thrown under the bus, yes, i see that as a threat going forward. we know she has testified in various investigations, we don't know what about obviously because it's part of the
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nondisclosure agreement but that was fascinating. another scoop you have is about the president's fundraising operation. traditional fundraising is not something he really did in 2016. >> no. >> small dollar donations and a lot of his own money in the 2016 campaign. this time he has a traditional bundling operation from traditional republican donors. i want to read one quote from this article, from rick perry's 2012 texas finance chair, he says i've seen heavy momentum from bush, romney and mccain people who are circling up with the president because they want to be on board and have influence with the administration. a lot of these people, maggie, you know, were people who weren't in any way aligned with donald trump as a candidate in 2016 and now they're given. >> most of them. i think there are still going to be some holdouts. yes, look for a president who still likes to act as if he's an outsider and who is more comfortable as an outsider this professional liesed fundraising operation he is putting in place is the most tangible example of
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the fact that he is, you know -- he is the establishment. he's going to have some version of what george w. bush had, which was, you know, the pioneers, the rangers, the groups of donors who were raising and bundling, you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars. i think that you have a number of people who have accepted that he is the leader of their party and if they want to be involved in their party, that they're going to have to give to him. the complaint that i've heard from some people who were resistant to him in 2016 who are with him now but maybe not so aggressively involved is this is not a team that really remembers who has helped them. so i think the traditionally under george w. bush or the clintons or other fundraising models with presidents, you know, you have people who expected the administration that they're helping sort of remembers them, even though no one is actually supposed to say that. i don't think there is a feeling that the loyalty works both ways with trump as is often the case. >> as michael cohen can attest. >> and many others. >> so yesterday michael cohen
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checked into his three-year prison stay and he made a parting shot on his way in about what he knows. so let's play it and i want to hear what you hear in this. >> i hope that when i rejoin my family and friends that the country will be in a place without xenophobia, injustice and lies at the helm of our country. there still remains much to be told and i look forward to the day that i can share the truth. >> what did you hear there, maggie? >> i think what i heard is that we're going to continue to hear more from michael cohen, whether it's in the form of additional information to prosecutors or the committees that are working with him. i will say prosecutors declined to give him what's called a rule 35, which is interceding in his case to try to get him a lesser jail sentence before he went off to jail. i'm not sure how much more prosecutors feeling like he has to share with them that is of
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note. there were a number of names that the trump organization was told that prosecutors were interested in speaking with, many months ago, and as i understand it from multiple sources they never followed up on that. so i don't know what more there is to say. look, i think michael cohen is going to jail for three years, maybe a little bit less with time for good behavior shaved off, but i think it's harrowing and i think that he was making a final shot as he left. >> maggie haberman, thank you very much for sharing all of your new reporting with us. we're also staying on top of breaking news right now because secretary of state mike pompeo's overseas trip is taking an unexpected turn. this morning he canceled a trip to berlin hours before he was set to meet with german chancellor angela merkel and that country's foreign minister. the press pool who is traveling with pompeo is not being told where they are going next. they have been told they may not be able to report from the country where they are going until after they leave. we do know that pompeo will meet
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with russian foreign minister sergey lavrov a week from today in sochi, russia, no idea if it's connected to that or if it's connected to what's been happening with iran. so we will keep you posted. the pompeo mystery comes as the u.s. moves an aircraft carrier and bombers off the coast of iran. is there any connection? we will speak to senator angus king who just returned from that region to get his insights on all this. that's next. i like to make my life easy. ( ♪ ) romo mode. (beep) (bang) good luck with that one. yes! that's why i wear skechers slip-ons. they're effortless. just slip them right on and off. skechers slip-ons, with air-cooled memory foam. plants capture co2. what if other kinds of plants captured it too? if these industrial plants had technology that captured carbon like trees we could help lower emissions. carbon capture is important technology -
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from manu raju whom you know from running away from him probably much of the time on capitol hill. he reports this morning mitch mcconnell will take to the floor this morning to say it's time to move on from the mueller probe and call the case closed, per his office. do you think the majority leader is right, that it is a matter of case closed? he doesn't want to hear from robert mueller on capitol hill. >> no, i think -- i don't think the case is closed. i went back last night, john, and read sections of the report, reread, i read the whole thing a couple weekends ago and mr. barr really did misrepresent what was in the report. in the first place, the first section of the report about collusion, he didn't find no collusion, what he found was no criminal conspiracy that could be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. there were some really serious matters in that, to me one of the most significant was on page
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140 you have a meeting between paul manafort and kilimnick who has been identified by the fbi as connected to the russian government giving up polling data and talking about battle ground states, minnesota, pennsylvania, wisconsin and michigan. does that sound familiar? i mean, that to me is a very serious matter that needs further examination. there are matters like that throughout the report. there's a place where mr. gates, manafort's assistant, quotes donald trump in a car ride saying there will be more leaks. there will be more emails coming out soon. i mean, there are lots of threads like that. maybe not a criminal conspiracy, but a very serious matter and that gets to the basic point here. i think the american people need the facts. they are going to have to make a decision in 2020 about whether they want to continue this presidency and in order to do that they need the information and i think robert mueller's testimony would be important, although i think nobody should expect any bombshells. he is not going to come in and
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say anything different than what he said in the report. he is a very careful guy, the report is over 400 pages long, i think they made their point. i think it would be useful to hear from him and perhaps set the record straight to some extent from what attorney general barr said, but i don't think people should expect, you know, there's going to be some great new smoking gun that's going to change the course of this. i think the information is pretty damning and it should be out there. my recommendation is read the report. it's pretty readable, it takes maybe a couple days on a weekend, but it's stunning and it's full of very disturbing information. >> about 3% of voters in polls say they've actually read the full report. very quickly one more question on this. this won't happen in the senate with republicans in control of the senate, but the house is threatening various types of contempt if documents aren't turned over, if don mcgahn doesn't testify. can you level with the american people, though, and tell them what's the impact of that?
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so the households don mcgahn in contempt, say the households william barr in contempt, what does that matter? >> i think the house has to be careful here and i'm not in a position to advise the house as to what to do, they're going to make their own decisions, but i think as a parent i used to always say pick your battles and i think they should pick the most important issues that they believe will contribute to the public discourse on this issue and not get around -- get distracted by every conflict they have with the administration. on the other hand, congress as i've heard probably 20 times in morning is a co-equal branch of government, has the responsibility to do oversight, has the responsibility and power to obtain documents and there has to be a line drawn somewhere where they say the administration can't just totally stone wall. >> i want to talk to you about iran which is obviously a very important issue this morning. the united states has made the decision to send a carrier group to the persian gulf, also send
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bombers to the area, national security adviser john bolton says it's to send a clear and unmistakable message to the iranian regime that any attack on u.s. interests or on those of our a lies will be met with unrelenting force. we've learned in the last 24 hours the administration feels there was specific intelligence about plans the iranians have made, maybe not imminent plans, but plans they have there. you just returned from the region, you went to iraq. the united states has between 5,000 and 7,000 troops in the region. what is your view of the iranian threat to u.s. interests? >> the first thing i want to say is i'm not john bolton, although there may be a superficial resemblan resemblance, i get that occasionally in airports. i think this is a very difficult and what dangerous course. i don't usually read things on television, but i want to read something that i think may put this into important context. this is john bolton in 2017, two years ago, just before he became national security adviser. he says, the outcome of the
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president's policy review should be to determine that the ayatollah khomeini's 1979 revolution will not last past it's 40th birthday, which was this past february. the declared policy of the united states should be the overthrow of the regime in tehran, the behavior and objectives of the regime are not going to change and therefore the only solution is to change the regime itself. that's why before 2019 we here will celebrate in tehran. you take that sentiment and add to the fact that we've drastically increased the sanctions on iran, we have just declared the quds force a terrorist organization, we're moving carriers. i have this creepy feeling that this is weapons of mass destruction in iraq and that there are motions toward a confrontation with iran that it would be -- it would be a very, very serious conflict.
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when i was over there -- >> hang on one second, though. you don't think that iran poses a threat to u.s. interests in the region? because if you're making the weapons of mass destruction comparison, there weren't. >> i don't want to go that far. clearly they are a malicious actor and have hezbollah in lebanon and they are affiliated with hamas. i'm not saying they are good guys, by any means, but the question is are we taking steps that are going to lead us toward a war or, you know, a real conflict that is dangerous. what i heard in iraq was that the shia militias who are not really controlled by anybody, some are connected to iran, some of them aren't, they are not controlled by the government, they are restless and they would like to take shots at some of our people over there. ironically, what i was told was iran is holding them back. iran is avoiding a confrontation with the united states and has issued what amounts to a moratorium on a tax on
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americans. so what somebody said was you've got to be careful when you poke the bear, especially when you are in the cage with the bear. i mean, we are very vulnerable over there and our people are doing a fantastic job. i spent the better part of a week there and met with politicians in iraq and our state department people, our military people. they are doing a great job, but this is a -- we don't want to cave into iran's militia's actions but we also don't want to slip over into provoking a confrontation that would be damaging to our people in iraq, but destabilizing iraq, but also lead to a real serious confrontation with iran. that's what worries me as you got bolton's predisposition and then you've got three or four actions in the last two weeks designed to poke iran in the eye. i just -- i'm uncomfortable about where this is headed. >> now we're hearing that iran
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may remove itself or suspend parts of the nuclear deal they still have in place with europe. senator angus king from maine, we appreciate you being with us. i wouldn't say john bolton, i would say tom selleck if i ran into you at the airport. >> thanks, john. now to something love-based. prince harry and meghan markle are expected to introduce their new baby boy to the world tomorrow. john is waiting with baited breath. >> i would love to see the baby. i like babies. >> do you love love, john? >> i love love. >> all right. we will find out when we bring you the latest details after this break. -excuse me. uh... do you mind...being a mo-tour? -what could be better than being a mo-tour? the real question is... do you mind not being a mo-tour? -i do.
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anticipating growing this morning as the world waits for their first look at the new royal baby. prince harry and meghan markle are bucking royal tradition and making their own rules. take a listen to the beaming new father. >> as every father and parent would ever say, you know, your baby is absolutely amazing, but this little thing is -- is absolutely to do die for so i'm just over the moon. >> let's bring in kate williams, historian and cnn world
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commentator and victoria arbiter royal expert and royal commentator. great to have both of you here. victoria, let's talk about what they are doing from the birth announcement to the secrecy around the announcement that's bucking tradition. >> these traditions have become traditions in a unwitting tradition. it's very difficult to sneak in and out of hospital hence the press buildup outside and the photographer that we have all become accustomed to. prior to 1970 all royal babies were born born at home so we still don't know if meghan did have this baby at home, there has been talk overnight that she was rushed off to hospital, but if she had the baby at home we would be reverting back to old traditions. as you mentioned this sort of idea of how announcing things on social media, on instagram as well. william and kate did put out a message on social media when their children were born as well and yet we saw harry and meghan
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use instagram, that's how they're communicating with this new modern royal follower, but we also did see the announcement placed in the full court at buckingham palace several hours later. this is a nod to how things are being done today but still hanging on to a few of the old traditions. >> kate, what was it like to see prince harry, i mean, this man who britain and the world watched growing up from a baby come out and seem so kind of besotted by his new baby. >> it was so wonderful. those of us watching diana's funeral will never forget that little boy walking behind the coffin through the streets of london. we've watched him grow up and it's been a tough time. prince harry has had a tough time, he has talked publicly how it has been difficult to lose his mother. to see him yesterday overwhelmed with happiness and thrilled at the birth of his baby,
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completely without sleep, but so delighted and we really saw the magic there. we saw why the public love him. why when he comes out to meet crowds people adore him because he is so warm and so open and so down to earth. i have to say when he gave tribute to all of the women of the world for giving birth it was really a very moving moment. i think we can't wait to see him actually with the baby. >> victoria, what does this baby mean to bitten? the fact that this baby is of mixed race, the fact that its mother is an american, the fact that people have watched their romance, i mean, at this moment in time in britain what does -- what is the significance of this baby? >> i think it's exciting that the royal family finally reflects modern society, some have said that meghan catapulted the wind source into the 21st century. the institution has been around for over 1,000 years and part of that reason is because of its ability to adapt and evolve. people underestimate the queen's reach. she is head of state to 16 nations, oversees the wealth over 2 billion citizens.
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now america has a vested interest in the royal family because one of that i remember own is behind palace walls, this baby is half-american. i think it's an exciting time in terms of witnessing history within the royal family, living history we get to see on a day to day basis. so i think england is proud. it's very rare for a news story to have positive reflection on a country and i think in this brexit weary climate england is glad to have the eyes of the world for a positive reason. >> tomorrow, kit, we will see the baby we're told for the first time. what's the latest thinking about what they're going to name the baby? >> i should say alisyn tomorrow we expect to see a photo, we obviously do expect to hear news about the title, whether it will be -- whether the queen will intervene and it will be a prince or whether the little baby will just be mister. i think we're going to see a photo midafternoon, but who knows. yes, the name. so the front runners we have got are alexander, there's james, there's spencer is whizzing in
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tribute to diana. i do think alexander is likely. they are looking for a name that has resonance in the uk and u.s. and alexandra is the queen's middle name and alexander hamilton is key figure in american history. i think we might see unconventional names but perhaps towards the middle name. i do expect to see charles or phillip there as well. this is a very royal baby and it is seventh in line to the throne and there is a possibility if everyone else abdicates, stranger things have happened in the royal family that one day this little boy will be king. they will be thinking clearly that yes they could have nods to modern life but also i think they will be thinking about traditional names as well. none of us got louis last time, so you never know. >> victoria and kate, thank you very much for the preview. we will look forward to tomorrow. right, john? >> look, alexander hamilton, a founding father in the palace, i would like that. that would make the revolution complete. the measles outbreak
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spreading fear among parents whose children are too young to be vaccinated. we will hear from one father who lives in the heart of new york's outbreak. that's next.
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time now for the five things to know for your new day. the treasury secretary steve mnuchin rejecting a demand by house democrats to turn over president trump's tax returns saying the request lacks, quote, a legitimate legislative purpose. this sets the stage for what could be a long legal battle. investigators are pouring through flight recorders to find out what happened in the flight crash in russia. jeremy brooks who was pursuing his dream to be a fly fishing guide is the only american among 41 people to die in the crash. two journalists jailed in myanmar have been freed. the men were imprisoned in 2017 for their reporting on the massacre of rohingya civilians. the kentucky horse racing commission has denied an appeal on behalf of the owner of maximum security, the horse was dis qualified after crossing the line first in the kentucky derby. gary west says he plans to sue
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to overturn that decision. prince mary and meghan markle now proud parents to a healthy baby boy. we are expected to get a peek at the newest little royal tomorrow. >> during our show. >> make sure you set your dvrs if you are going to be at work. for more on the five things to know go to cnn.com/newday for the latest. here is what else to watch today. >> very nice. >> it's a little different than the industrial dance mix we used to have, that you favored. >> i feel uplifted in a
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different kind of way. >> more than 760 people in the united states have now caught measles so far this year with at least 550 cases in new york alone. health officials in the state are having a hard time stopping the outbreak, now the largest and longest in decades. our senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen joins us live with the very latest. >> john, the cdc tells us that this outbreak, this particular outbreak, has been so stubborn, it was started by anti-vaxers, but now even people who do vaccinate their children they have been forced to change their lives. shimen singer is worried for his baby who is two months old, too young to get vaccinated for the measles and the singers live in an ultra orthodox jewish community in the heart of new york's measles outbreak. the virus is one of the most contagious on earth. >> i'm worried for his safety, i'm worried for his well being. is my kid and baby safe, will she get sick tomorrow, next
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week? >> his cousin was in the hospital recently with measles and a family friend was struck, too. >> she's had like -- she said you cannot imagine the pain i was in. it was like every part of my body felt on fire. it was like somebody was inside of my body with a bulldozer and destroying organ by organ, piece by piece. suddenly they felt -- >> so singer and his wife made a decision, with a few exceptions malki does not go to public places. >> we wouldn't take her to the mall, target, walmart, macy's is that and she's the youngest of four so that must be quite inconvenient. >> it is very inconvenient. you know, we have to go buy clothing for the older kids, we have to go buy shoes and we have to go to the grocery every week. >> the measles outbreak has hurt the singer family in so many ways. this he own this children's play center and in the past three months 40 families have canceled birthday parties because they're scared of measles. financially, personally, the singers and other families have
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suffered because some parents in their community refuse to vaccinate their children. >> how does it make you feel that someone else's decision has affected your life in this way? >> there will always be a small amount of people who don't think about others, that just think about themselves. they put in jeopardy other people's livelihood and make other people's lives hard. >> so for the next four months until she's old enough to get the measles vaccine, the singers say they will keep -- >> praying that she should stay safe. >> -- safe from the measles. now, usually babies get their first measles shot at 12 months, but babies in this area, they're supposed to now get their first shot at six months. so the singer family has only about another four months of keeping their baby at home. john, alisyn. >> that's still a challenge. elizabeth, thank you very much. back to the campaign trail. mayor pete buttigieg is asking for help. where he says his presidential run is lacking. that's next.
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heat sensitivity; and trouble swallowing may occur. ask your healthcare provider if vraylar can help you find your balance. really interesting comments from pete buttigieg whose star has risen in the democratic primary, driven largely by support from white voters. the lack of diversity in his crowds has been highlighted during his swing through south carolina where he made this appeal to supporters last night. >> my deeper answer is i need help. out here people are just getting to know me and trust in part is a function of quantity time and we are racing against time, and so we need to make sure as we have worked to have a campaign staff that lives up to the values of diversity and inclusion that i've tried to lead on in my administration and
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that i preach about when i'm in front of a crowd, that the same becomes true of the folks that we draw in to support the campaign and to help shape it. i can't do that alone. >> and the reports from that crowd was that it was a largely white crowd in south carolina, which is not usual in a democratic event there. let's get the bottom line with david axel, host of the "the ax files." two things were interesting there, number one, he's right, he needs help. >> 100%. >> number two, you don't often hear a candidate say i have a problem. >> well, that's, of course, part of his appeal to voters is that he is very open, he is -- he doesn't seem to be crafting his answers and he doesn't seem to be hiding the ball. so he was very blunt about this. he is absolutely right, the nature of the democratic nominating process is that if you don't have an appeal to minority voters, and i would add working class voters generally, it's hard to win. he's done spectacularly well to this point to get from where he
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started as an unknown 37-year-old mayor from south bend to really the top tier of candidates, but to get to where he wants to go he's going to have to broaden that coalition. >> like what? as a strategist what should he do to get that help? >> well, i mean, he's doing part of it by just showing up, but, you know, relationships are important in this business and, you know, i think back to the 2016 nominating fight. bernie sanders lost that nomination because he didn't have that kind of relationship with the african-american community and hillary clinton did historically. that was hugely helpful to her. so he needs to identify leaders in the community who will usher him in, vouch for him and then he needs to expand his circle, or he's going to end up being a boutique candidate and that's not where he wants to be. >> any reason he couldn't make inn loads? >> well, look, first of all, relationships matter, history matters, so that's one thing.
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>> meaning they may already have relationships, some of those leaders may have relationships with other candidates. >> joe biden has a tremendous advantage because of his partnership with barack obama. you see him at 50% with african-americans in most polls. so he starts off with a big advantage and he's way ahead in south carolina as a result. look, one of the elephants in the room here is pete buttigieg is the first openly gay candidate to run for president. historically there has been more resistance on this issue in the african-american community, particularly among older african-american voters and we will see if that still exists. we've seen enormous movement on this issue, but that is an open question. >> we don't know if it's just lack of name recognition or they don't know him or -- >> there's no doubt that's part of it. i'm not saying he can't do it. >> right. >> he is an enormously can a lented candidate, but he has a lot of work to do. >> i want to play you sound from
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just this morning from mayor pete buttigieg. he does talk about his faith a lot, which is a way into different communities. >> it is a way. >> let me play you what he said about that. >> it's also important that we stop seeing religion used as a kind of cajul as if god belonged to a political party, if he did i can't imagine it would be the one that sent the comment -- current president into the white house. >> he is very fluent and outfront about his faith. when you think about the last three democrats who won, carter, clinton and obama they all spoke openly about faith, but for pete given that he doesn't have these relationships that's an important calling card in these communities. >> i want to ask you about something that kamala harris brought up this weekend in one of her speeches in detroit, i believe. >> yeah. >> she was talking about electability. we all bandy that term about as if we know what it means, but she was asking everybody to drill down and really kind of analyze what they mean when they
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say electability. what does that mean? that white voters find you electable? is that really what we're saying? if so she's saying it's time to redefining of that term. >> yes, part of joe biden's argument is that he can reach into some of those constitue constituencies that donald trump took from democrats, i.e., white working class voters and that is what you need to win. she is saying, look, if hillary clinton had gotten the minority vote, the younger voters who barack obama had, that she would have won. she lost narrowly in pennsylvania, in michigan, in wisconsin and in philly, detroit and milwaukee. the turnout was abysmal. what kamala harris is saying, there are a lot of ways to get to where we need to go and we should broaden this discussion. >> i do think in politics as is in all things including the musical "hamilton" for a reaction there is an equal and opposite reaction. the fact that she did this in a
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high profile speech, a high profile way told me that this is a thing now that the major candidates feel like they need to address because joe biden has had some success -- >> without question. i mean, this is the core, the key to biden's candidacy, one of the reasons he jumped right to the fight with donald trump is that he wants to bypass all of this and say, this is the main event. i'm the guy who can beat donald trump because i can reach into these areas particularly in these key states, pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin that he has to have to win, and so, you know, i think candidates are sensitive to penetrating that. the question is, you know, i had cory booker -- i had an interview with cory booker last night for "the ax files" good discussion and i asked him about this and he said it shouldn't be an either/or thing. i must tell you when i was working for barack obama that's the way we approached it, barack obama campaigned in these white working class areas, he didn't just put his coalition together with minorities and young people, he did well in those
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areas. remember he carried the state of indiana in 2008 and he did it by talking to these voters, showing them the respect of going there and speaking about middle class economics. it's not impossible to put together a broader coalition and democrats should probably think about doing that. >> you had an interesting thing about the conventional wisdom about joe biden. you said conventional wisdom joe biden is a fragile front runner hobbled by age, record and excessive touching. new conventional wisdom joe biden is a behemoth, the dragon slayer in waiting. conclusion, conventional wisdom is usually overdone. i guess you're saying it's, what, a little of both? >> first of all, i made a career betting against conventional wisdom. it is almost always wrong. the other thing is we just have to keep in mind this is a marathon, we are at the four-milepost and it's going to be a long fight with lots of dips and lots of peaks and for biden and all of them.
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