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behavior of any kind. >> reporter: harmony allen thought the military justice system had already made that clear. >> the jury of seven were very strategic in his sentencing because it took me 16 1/2 years to get that justice and to have that ripped away after finally getting it is so hurtful and crushing. >> "newsroom" are brooke baldwin starts right now. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. thanks for being here. let's begin with something that is not getting much attention. but should. especially as we get closer to the 2020 elections. as the president continues to say that he wants good relationships with russia even though attacked and is attacking the united states and the attorney general launches an investigation into the origins of the russia investigation before the inspector general is finished with that
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investigation, at least two counties in florida were hacked in 2016. russia attacks the investigation and continues to do so. alex marquardt is our cnn national correspondent. so what did the florida officials learn. >> you are right this should be getting more attention and we're gearing up for 2020 and still grappling with the after-effect of 2016 and ron desantis is saying two florida counties were breached in 2016 and the reason that is news is because until the mueller report came out, we didn't know that any local governments had been breached in florida in the 2016 election. the mueller report said at least one had and now we have confirmation there were two counties breached. ron desantis signed a nondisclosure agreement with the fbi so he did not name them. and he said these two counties
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experienced intrusion into the supervisor of elections network and he was -- very specific said there has no manipulation of the data, that there had been no impact on vote totals. now the department of homeland security has said they suspect that the russians via the gru, the russian military hackers indicted by robert mueller tried to target all 50 states. but as i mentioned, there had been no proof until now there had been any intrusions in florida. we should note that illinois state officials said there was a breach during the 2016 elections there. they said that the gru compromised the state board of elections and accessed voter data base registry with millions of voters. again we have to note there is no evidence that any data was manipulated. now there is going to be another fbi briefing for members of house who are from florida from that delegation. obviously, brooke, this raises all sorts of concerns as we head
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into 2020. you speak with election officials and federal ofictio ofictions -- officials and they say we know russia is going to do something and the question is what and the critics of president trump say that he certainly is not giving it the attention that this issue deserves. brooke. >> good thing trump is coming down really hard on putin. or not. alex marquardt, thank you very much. for the first time we are seeing the president's fight to stop congressional subpoenas go inside a courtroom. this judge an obama appointee heard about the subpoena from the house oversight committee chairman to masers usa, the trump accounting firm, the subpoena seeking response in response to michael cohen's testimony and the personal attorney said trump in the past inflated his assets. >> these documents and others were provided to deutsche bank on one occasion where i was with
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them in our attempt to obtain money so that we could put a bid on the buffalo bills. >> president trump's attorneys then sued to block the subpoena. they say it is targeting him for political reasons. and one of trump's lawyers told the judge today, quote, this is an effort to engage in law enforcement not to legislative. since january when the democrats took control of the house, there have been at least 21 subpoenas seeking among other demands testimony from the president's son, from the attorney general and a former white house counsel, plus trump's financial documents and unredacted parts of the mueller report. the judge is allowing them more information and a swift ruling. president trump denies that he told bill barr to investigate the investigators who started the russia investigation. this is what the president told reporters just a short while
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ago. >> [ inaudible question ]. >> no, i didn't ask him to do that. i didn't know it. i didn't know it. but i think it is a great thing that he did it. i saw it last night. and they want to look at how that whole hoax got started. it was a hoax. >> and cnn has learned that barr is teaming up with the heads of the fbi, cia and the director of national intelligence to review the origins of the russia investigation. barr is said to be very involved and he's tapped veteran mob prosecutor john durham to help him out. he is the u.s. attorney for connecticut nominated by president trump. durham's career spans 30 years with the doj and investigated a number of corruption cases under both republican and democratic administrations including the fbi ties to crime boss james whitey bulger. this now marks the third and
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separat separate inquiry into the early days of the russia investigation. rachel honig is from the southern district of new york. good to see you. so we saw the president saying he didn't ask barr to investigate the investigators but you listen to the president and you look at what he said on twitter, he's obviously called this investigation illegal and said someone should be investigating. >> does he need to ask when he's out there every day on twitter and making public deck lar ises that we need to look into this. this is the real conspiracy. so it doesn't require a direct conversation from the president in order for bill barr to know what he wants and bill barr is i think nothing if not tuned into the president's political wishes. and i really think bill barr is making a big mistake here. i think -- >> you said it is a joke. >> i said it is a joke. that is the pg version. he's acting as a political operative first and a series prosecutor second. this is the opposite of what real prosecutors do. in real life when you are prosecuting a case, sometimes you learn that some other office
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or some other agency has an overlapping investigation. and what we do then is we de-conflict and you sit down with the other agency and make sure all on the same page and not replicating effort or running into each other. here barr is throwing a new investigator into the mix. it is the opposite of what a serious prosecutor would do. >> so all of this said, you point to this particular exchange between bill barr and senator kamala harris who we all know would like to be the next president and beat donald trump. so it is this exchange that you say is quite telling. roll. >> attorney general barr, has the president or anyone at the white house ever asked or sugge suggested that you open an investigation of anyone? >> um, i wouldn't -- i wouldn't -- >> yes or no? >> you could repeat that question? >> i will repeat it. has the president or anyone at the white house ever asked or suggested that you open an investigation of anyone, yes or no, please, sir? >> um, the president or anybody
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else? >> seemed you would remember something like that. be able to tell us. >> yeah, but i'm trying to grapple with the word "suggest." there have been discussions of matters out there that they have not asked me to open an investigation. >> perhaps they've suggested. >> wouldn't say suggest. >> hinted? >> i don't know. >> inferred? you don't know. okay. >> we all remember that exchange. and what was the point to make? >> bill barr is a very smart person and he gets asked about whether the house or the president directed him to open an investigation and all of a sudden he can't hear and understand basic english like what suggest means and his answer is i don't know. how do you not know. so i'm very suspicious of that response and i -- it could well be this is what barr had in mind when senator harris was asking this which caused him to squirm
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so badly. >> stay tuned for your column. i can tell you're all over this. go to cnn.com for that. as the trump white house is facing a series of tests abroad as tensions with iran and china and russia all escalate, two of the topics were on the agenda for mike pompeo who came face-to-face with his russian counterpart sergey lavrov in sochi before a planned meeting with vladimir putin. he sought to tamp down the rhetoric saying the u.s. will not back down if threatened. >> we fundamentally do not seek a war with iran. we've also made clear to the iranians that if american interests are attacked we will most certainly respond in an appropriate fashion. >> iran supreme leader dismissed the possibility of war with the u.s. and added there would be no negotiations over the nuclear
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deer. michelle kosinski is with me and john kirby and a military and diplomatic analyst. and so michelle, let me begin with you here. russia and iran are strategic allies in syria, what is their response to all of this? >> well, we heard a lot of typical responses that we hear from russia. they emphasize serious sovereignty and that needs to be respected. they did open up and we've heard this before that discussions will continue on humanitarian issues, on returning refugees, pompeo said they both agree there needs to be a political process here. but we hear those kind of things a lot and there has been some cooperation between the u.s. and russia at times over syria on ceasefires but it has been very limited. and remember the conflict in syria has been going on since 2011. are we any closer to a real political process in syria? certainly doesn't look that way.
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>> michelle, thank you so much. and admiral, kirby, to listen to secretary pompeo calling this trip to russia quote/unquote good faith effort and president trump seeks to improve relations but i want to play this clip from today on cnn, what steve hall, retired cia chief of operations said today. >> whenever you get a pompeo or a president trump over to russia, it is a big win politically for the russians. it shows they're still at the big boy table and they are geopolitically strong and could insert themselves in these situations. but what the russians are taking away from this that they could attack the elections in the united states in 2016 and they could attack the elections in other western democracies, they could do all of those things to include kill their own people, the skripals or make attempts to do so internationally and what happens? secretary pompeo shows up in sochi and said sure, let's talk about these things, whatever it is. >> the big boy table. so admiral steve hall said because of that the u.s. and
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allies should be excluding russia from everything with the exception of the nuclear treaty talks. how do you see it? >> yeah, i think he makes a strong point about russia behavior and the lessons they have gotten from that so far which is they could act with impunity because this administration isn't going to challenge them significantly enough. but i do disagree respectfully with mr. hall with respect to excluding them from everything. there are things as michelle pointed out, there are things that we can and have worked with russia to cooperate with them to the good. the iran deal. the paris accord. trying to get some sort of diplomatic process going into syria but that has not borrower fruit. there are plenty of things. counter-terrorism where we could continue to try to work with russia and we should. we should not be afraid to deal with them on issues that -- where interests converge and/or to diverge with them where they don't. and to be willing to stand up to them. >> now iran's foreign minister said the u.s. is escalating
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tensions unnecessarily as president trump denied this "times" report that they reviewed the d.o.d. plans to send 120,000 troops to the middle east if iran attacks american forces. my question is does the u.s. have an ally in this part of the world that would be willing to host or stage u.s. military and then as a result be taking a side in this? >> if this is a real proposal and i'm really not convinced that it is, brooke, i think certainly there are countries in the region that might be willing to consider boosting u.s. presence. to the tune of 120,000, i don't know. all of that depends on what you use these forces for. because if they're used for anvation of iran -- an invasion they have to be close to iran and not many countries that close could house that many. it is an open question. there are tens of thousands of troops in the region now. these would be the kind of discussions you have with allies or partners before you make a move. assuming you get congressional approval and the funding to do that which is an open question.
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my view is this was a proposal that the white house asked for specifically so they could leak it to the press and talk about it do some saber rattling and try to rattle iran's cage. >> we wait, i guess, perhaps for iran response. admiral kirby, i appreciate it and your expertise on the matter as always. now to this. heartbreaking images of migrant children and families sleeping on the ground on rocks as they wait to be processed along the border. the story behind these exclusive pictures. plus joe biden moments ago weighing in on the controversial crime bill from the '90s that continues to follow him. also his response to criticism from freshman congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez. >> and a police officer shooting and killing a woman who said she was pregnant. see what happened before the shots were fired. you're watching cnn, i'm brooke baldwin. so... you're driven, and you have a ton of goals...
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cnn has just obtained exclusive photos from a border patrol station in mcallen, texas, no room to stay indoors, families forced to wait on outdoor gravel pads, children sleeping outside, the only blankets silver mylar. vanessa cabich got her hands on the photos which are just -- just horrifying yet -- give me the back story how you got your hands on these. >> they came from a source who has access to that border patrol station and they were really disturbed by what they saw. these photos came to us. we looked at them and verified them with customs and border protection and they are from the mcallen border patrol station. but this is what we've been hearing from customs and border patrol for months. we've been hearing about this overcrowding. you see it -- >> but to see the children -- >> that is the tough one. that photo that we're looking at
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right now, you see a child there is actually a baby bottle filled with milk just below her and she's sleeping. this is 5:00 a.m. in the morning, on dirt, with just the small blankets to keep them warm. and what we're hearing is it is because the indoor facilities are so overcrowded they have nowhere to put these people. including children and they have to put them outside. and we know that president trump in january, before the photos were taken, he did visit this location. and we know just this weekend that the acting secretary of homeland security was there along with the acting secretary of defense was there. they were there as well. they saw a lot of what we're seeing right here. but we ask the department of homeland security about these photos in particular and they said, quote, border patrol agents are doing everything they can to protect and care for migrants in temporary custody. border patrol stations are
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simply not equipped to handle the numbers of family and children arriving along the southwest border and we need congress to act to provide immediate relief. so you hear them there calling for action. because they are so overwhelmed. and just to put it into perspective numbers wise, this past weekend at the southern border we crossed 500,000 crossings just up until this month, until may. last year in 2018, 400,000. so we've already way surpassed the amount of people coming across the border in just may of this month and you see it there reflected in the images. those children out there with nothing but a small blanket, outdoors to keep them warm. >> and the fact that your source, i don't know how long think been working the border, had never seen anything like it. >> no, this was different and that is why the photos came to us. this was different. >> vanessa, thank you very much for sharing those photos with us. coming up next here on cnn,
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a texas police officer shoots and killed a woman who said she was pregnant. cell phone video shot by a witness provides a rare look at had a happened just before the shooting but will it help a community divided over whether the officer's actions were justified. ♪
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tape. ed lavendera is in dallas with the video and we want to warn you, you may find it disturbing. >> i'm walking. i'm walking to my house. >> reporter: the video captures nearly 40 seconds that led up to the shooting of pamela turner monday night. it happened in the parking lot of an apartment complex in baytown, texas. baytown police say the officer who hasn't been identified yet spotted turner and tried to arrest her because she had outstanding warrants. in the video released on social media you could hear turner yelling at the officer that she's being harassed and that she's pregnant. >> you're harassing me. >> reporter: police say a struggle ensued and the officer pulled his taser. you could hear the sizzling charge of the taser being deployed. police then say turner was able to get ahold of the taser and fired it at the officer. the officer then steps back and
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fires five times. pamela turner died at the scene after police say the officer tried to administer first aid. police say they're still trying to interview the witness who recorded the cell phone video and while calling the shooting tragic, voiced their frustration over the release. >> it is unfortunate that somebody takes a tragic incident like this and starts posting it on social media. that is extremely disrespectful for everybody involved. >> reporter: neighbors say turner was a well-known fixture in the apartment complex. >> sometimes they would get into it with people around the apartments but nothing too bad. it is just -- just typical her. she's not a bad person. >> reporter: baytown police say the officer is an 11-year veteran and on paid administrative leave. investigators are trying to recreate the events of what unfolded and that will include analyzing the officer's body camera footage not released. police say the officer was injured business hi own taser
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after turner deployed it to him. >> wasn't to the extent that he needed to go to the hospital. but like i say, if you've been struck with a taser, it is a very painful experience. >> reporter: some residents question whether the shooting had to unfold the way it did. >> i'm not going to say every officer is a bad officer but honestly, i feel like he didn't have to do her like that. >> i've never seen anything like this from any officer in baytown. >> ed lavender with the report. thank you so much. now to the trade war with china. this is getting worse. even though the president calls it, quote, just a little squabble and the markets are up today, we will ask the owner of a mom-and-pop shop whether he shares the president's same confidence. and plus saying good-bye to another hollywood legend. my memories with tim conway ahead. my insurance rates are probably gonna double.
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the president today called the u.s. trade were with china a squabble and blames china for escalation with each imposed tariffs as high as 25%. >> we had a deal that was very close and then they broke it. they really did. i mean more than just -- more than renegotiating. they really broke it. so we can't have that happen. >> the dow is rebounding solidly in the green after the 600-point tail spin a day ago but while wall street is see something recovery for today that is far
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from the case on main street and that brings me to the next guest, tom barry owning a lighting gallery in delaware. nice to have you on. welcome. >> thank you very much for having me. >> so you have a mom and pop store and all about customer service and almost everything that you sell is made in china. so that said, how does this affect you? >> yeah, that is -- that is absolutely true. now what is -- what is interesting is all light fixtures mainly come from china. it is not just my store. lighting fixtures across the country, 90% are purchased through china. there is only a few companies that are made in the united states so no matter whether you buy from me, which is a small showroom in delaware or whether you buy from a big chain across the country, you're buying products that are made in china and it does affect us all.
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>> how? >> when you are small like me -- well when you are a small company like me, i could only talk to myself, we are unable to bring in new current products that we would love to put on our showroom floor for our customers. it affects us financially if the -- they are not stocking items because they are hit with these tariffs then we can't buy the products from them because everything is being cut back. the venders are hurting so they in turn hurt us with a little bit of the tariff increases. increases are anywhere from 15% to 25% this time in the lighting business. >> so you either don't get the items from the supplier or getting notes from the suppliers i imagine saying, sorry, but we have to up the price which in turn i imagine economics 101, you up the price for your
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customer? >> that is true. now what we're trying to do -- we are small and we have a nice -- a nice community that deals with us. very good builders and contractors that are loyal and we try and keep our prices down even through the first round of tariffs that happened, we kept prices down. but what is happening now is with the second round, there is only so much you could hold back. at some point we're going to have to raise ours also. so we're one of many stores and companies that are hoping that a deal is made. >> sure. i understand. and it puts you and others in a tough spot. let me play a clip. this is the president talking today about this. >> sure. >> all you have to do is build or make your product in the united states. if they want they could buy from someplace else other than china or could -- really the ideal is make their product in the usa. that is what i really want. yeah, we're winning it -- >> so you heard the president
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there and you smile. tell me why you're smiling. >> well, that is a great theory. but it took 50 years for us to move products like lite -- like lighting over to china. it was a slow move. all lighting fixtures were made in the united states and over time it took -- it took all of our companies and all of our venders to start buying overseas for whatever reason it was. that is not -- that is not my bag. i don't understand that part of it. but now -- but now that it is there, you just can't close up shop over there and expect people to open up here. it will take years to open up here. and you can't retool and teach people how to build products over here without prices being extreme. you can't do it that way. you can eventually do it. but you can't just pull the rug out from under all of us currently buying at decent
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prices and raise our prices so people start building items back here again. it won't happen that fast. it will hurt small businesses like me. not just in the lighting business but other businesses also. >> it is not like that and there is long-lasting damage. tom vari with brandywine lighting company. thank you very much. appreciate you coming on. >> thank you, brooke. just in, fascinating pictures with the secretary of state's meeting with vladimir putin and we'll show you what is happening and plus what happens if you hold a congressional hearing and the key witness doesn't show up. why the house judiciary committee will find out. will don mcgahn be held in contempt with new details on what is on his schedule. everyone's got to listen to mom.
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this week we're bringing you stories of remarkable people making lasting impacts around the world and we're calling the series champions for change. our chance to revisit the amazing change makers we've covered in the past and have never forgotten. the passion inspires us as they continue to change the world. parkland, florida. now a city sadly synonymous with gun violence. in the year and a half since 17 people were murdered at their school, the students from marjorie stoneman douglas has spearheaded school security and gun rights and fueled an international student-led movement and leading that charge a brother and sister who survived by hiding in their classrooms. david and lauren hogg. they have become political and cultural forces inspiring thousands of people including my
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friend alisyn camerota. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> another deadly school shooting. >> i am in parkland, florida, scene of the latest school shooting. >> this is the site of the deadliest school shooting since sandy hook. >> when i got the call that parkland happened and yet another school shooting, my heart sank. i have kids that i send off to school every day. and i know that they're no safer than the kids at parkland were. i flew down to parkland and the next morning we were on the air first thing. >> we're joined by two shooting survivors. >> david hogg was one of the first interviews. something was different right away. >> no legislative action is taken and all we have now is more guns and more chance for things go wrong. >> a senior took cover and worried about his sister lauren a freshman. >> he gripped the whole country's attention. >> please, take action. >> reporter: he turned to the camera and already beseeching
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leaders to jump into action with him. >> you guys are the adults. you need to take some action and play a role. work together and overcome your politics. >> reporter: even in the hours after they had been through the most hideous tragedy imaginable, they were already trying to change the world. >> lauren, how are you feeling? i felt the same way when i met lauren. >> feeling about the victims and i know there is a reason why i made it out that day and that reason has to be to make change. >> reporter: never again hashtag propped up because they didn't want this to happen again. >> we say no month. >> reporter: they've traveled around the country and met other survivors of gun violence. they got the laws changed in florida. they're not letting the lawmakers forget it. >> what are we looking at here? >> this is our art installation.
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as i put up the hundreds of crosses and stars of david, i thought of my friends last year. we wrote things like teacher, doctor, to represent not only the people who were taken from gun violence, but taken from society they are in. >> you wanted to get the attention of lawmakers. >> that is why we did it here. because we wanted people walking between breaks and leaving word and their action is leading our sisters and brothers and moms and dads to die every single day. [ crowd chanting ] >> reporter: when you hit obstacles, how is it that you have been able to stay energized? >> by looking back at the success that we have had. we focused on youth voter turnout and raising youth voice because we know it is not democrats or republicans to solve this issue, it has to be human beings that solve this issue. >>m a a fighter -- >> reporter: is it true the parkland students were your
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inspiration to run for office? >> absolutely. i stood up and decided to run to flip for the federal seat after parkland. i was devastated that here again we had children that were the same age as my son that were gunned down would be a tragedy if i didn't stand up and then letting down my son and his legacy and every other family or victim that i have cried with over the last seven years since jordan was murdered. each generation culturally has a cause. sitting at the lunch counters, walking out of classrooms. it is the same thing. this is the civil rights movement that these young people are fighting for. >> change is here. >> we need a congress that goes out there and talks about this issue and gives us a deadline of when they're going to actually be able to stop gun violence. >> reporter: david graduated from stoneman douglas in 2018. he's take a year off from studys
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to focus on activism and plans to attend harvard this fall. >> i feel as though in the last year we have made an abundant amount of progress. honestly, how young people have realized their power is the thing that i find to be the most profound. >> they are change-makers. i see both of them really changing the conversation in this country about gun violence and then going forward and being leaders in our country. >> it is still hard to think of myself as an activist because honestly i never had in a in mind when i started spooki-- st speaking out and i was just a kid upset my friends were murdered in my school. >> i look ahead to the future. >> can't wait until we pass our first piece of legislation. it will be an impactful moment. >> what is your greatest achievement. >> that we can lead and are leading together with other generations and i know we can end this issue.
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>> reporter: i'm so impressed with the kids. all of us thought maybe this will peter out or be busy with school but they haven't given up. they're just as strong a year later. they just are as energized as the -- as the day i first met them. >> and allison is with me now. i love you for doing this. you have kiddos and drop them off at school and you have the same thoughts that parents do across the country and it gives me goosebumps to think back to march for our lives in d.c. >> they want federal legislation and they did something remarkable and they got florida, where people feel strongly about their guns, to change the legislation in the wake of what happened in parkland. now they want it on a national scale. so of course they want universal background checks and want to band high capacity magazines and want more federal dollars to study gun violence and that is
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what they are setting sights on so in d.c. it was going from lawmaker to lawmaker and just making them hear their plea and setting that art installation up outside of the windows of the capital so lawmakers couldn't miss it and had to walk by it. >> the fact that we have continued to cover school shootings, there have been 35 this school year. i talked to a 12-year-old last week on this show who was describing to me in colorado -- >> i saw it. >> he was holding this baseball bat -- >> brave. >> totally brave and he was ready to go down fighting and he was 12 and i'll never forget him. it is just our kids don't feel safe. >> we don't have to live this way. i feel as though -- it is not how we've received this is our new normal. we don't have to send our kids off to school every day just crossing fingers and hoping they are not sitting ducks. we could fix this. australia had a mass shooting and they fixed up. other companies have given us a blueprint on how to do this. we are better than this.
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we don't have to live this way. >> thank you very much. alisyn camerota and we'll share inspiring stories all week long. tune in saturday at 8:00 p.m. eastern for an hour long "champions for change" special. president trump today denying reports that his administration is considering a plan to send more than 100,000 troops to the middle east and it comes as iran sends a clear warning to the u.s. into plus any moment another democrat officially into the 2020 race.
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tv fans are mourning the loss of another hollywood legend actor and comic tim conway has died. >> this trainer making them stand up on their back feet like that and they had their trunk and then this monkey would come out and -- [ laughter ] >> conway known for the carol burnett show was 85. his publicist said he passed at his los angeles home and battling a long-time illness. carol burnett telling cnn that she in a word heartbroken. a number of years ago back in 2012 i interviewed the cast about some of their wilder moments. >> it is a sign of peace.
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>> steve martin, this was 1978, this is his wild and crazy guy phase. how do you keep a straight face when you are staring at steve martin or wearing that? >> well, i'm okay with that -- where i'm not okay is with tim conway. >> tim, how did you keep a straight face? >> i'm a very compassionate actor and have gone to many dramatic schools. >> she's laughing at you. >> he is the trouble-maker. he was the non-rehearser and troublemaker. >> blame, blame, blame. >> i remember that. conway won multiple emmys and famous for his role in mikael's navy and guest starred on an episode of "30 rock." we continue on. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. we are keeping a very close eye on russia where secretary of state mike pompeo has just wrapped up a meeting with
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vladimir putin. secretary pompeo called 9 trip a good faith effort on behalf of both countries and saying that pompeo is committed to improving ties between the two countries and very much wants better relations. for his part putin wants to restore the relationship. but there is one thing that continues to overshadow all of this and that is of course election meddling. in the past and possibly in the future. here is what secretary pompeo said before these two men met. >> as we've made clear for the past months that interference in american elections is unacceptable. if the russians were engaged in that in 2020 it would put our place in an even difficult position that we are in and encourage them not to do that and we would not tolerate that. >> and this is how putin would respond citing the very thing president trump has blasted as a witch hunt and a hoax,