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there would be a few more empty tequilla bottles in the dressing room. gassed up for a 2:00 a.m. trip to an offshore carls junior. or for that matter any evidence of voter fraud on the ri ridiculist. >> i want to hand it over to chris. >> remove the glass. >> do you want them? >> holy moly. it doesn't get any better than that. a agree. i'll talk to you later. thank you. i'm chris cuomo. welcome to triem time. new fuel for the case of abuse of power against the president. breaking news, a secret irs memo contradicts the secretary of the treasury of wlnlt the president has to hand over his tax returns. another abuse of power. will it sway democrats that they need to do more than they are now.
we have a player in the mix here tonight she is making a move and she is going to tell you about it here first. the judiciary panel served more subpoenas today. this time to hope hicks and another crucial witness to the president's actions. the note taker that may have win written it all down. significance? answers from congresswoman sheila jackson lee and latest poll is out and the central focus is on the most centrist candidate. joe biden. is there a message in the numbers? we have a former front runner with keen advice ahead. what do you say? let's get after it. >> so the treasury secretary said congress could not have the president's taxes because their legal opinion was that congress lacked a legit oversite reason. you have to remember that language. it is not from the draft memo that came from the irs directly
to the treasury. that one contradicts steve's justification for handing them over. a ten page memo says this. the law does not allow the secretary to exercise discretion in disclosing the information provided statutory conditions are met and there are no real conditions in this statute. take a look. so what does this mean to a democrat in a position of power about what needs to happen next? let's bring in judiciary committee member shelia jackson lee. another night, another new piece of information that shows the distinction between what we're seeing from the administration and what experts told the administration to put out. this time its the letter or the memo dictating why the irs would
or would not comply with congress's request for the president's taxes. the treasury secretary put it on you. he said this is about overreach and not oversite and that's why you can't have it. we have to litigate. the draft memo says something different. it says we must comply unless the they're operating under a very old and specific law and they can request the tax returns of the president of the united states of america. i think the irs just said we needed to abide by the law unless there's an exception which is executive privilege which they didn't find had been
asked for or requested. >> he believes he can win with the strategy on pushing back to you. he will win and it will be over. the question is what should your party and what should your colleagues in the congress do now. you have an announcement to make. what is it? >> we'll introduce a resolution of investigation and this is an important difference about where people think we are? a resolution of investigation allows the house of representative to vote on the resolution to direct the judiciary committee to investigate and to exercise it's authority ultimately if it so
decides as the agent of the house of representatives to move forward on article one section 2 clause 5 and then of course that is a decision of the whole house of representatives which is what this vote will be. the whole house will vote to investiga investigate. >> but you have a vocal minority within your party saying you guys are weak and this is a time to be strong. is this stuff no satisfy?
>> it allows us to educate before we activate. it allows us to present hearings in a fuller manner. it says the house of representatives directed the judiciary committee to exercise it's authority of investigations and then ultimately to exercise that authority under article 1 section 2 clause five. it is not a half step. it is a step that moves us forward and frankly it provides the educational platform for the people of the united states having been through impeachment before i realize and the speaker has said often and people know it's a political process when the american people said we want to change this order. >> two more quick things on the news. hope hicks and annie donaldson are being brought in. she was the chief of staff and supposedly took notes about interactions with the president. what do you think you're going to get out of hope hicks that
justifies the drama that's going to come with the request? >> these two witnesses and their notes will provide enhanced, if you will, understanding of where director mueller was going and where he wanted the congress to go. that is to finish the investigation and determine if there was misconduct and move to the next level as i indicated under the constitution or decide not. these individuals will contribute to that understanding and there may be various obstacles in front of their presentation. we do think that some of the witnesses, these two in particular may be open to further conversation. we want to give them a chance to do that and give congress a chance to get to the facts. he left us a road map.
something makes me question that. i'm not blaming cbp or the people keeping us safe on the border but they're overwhelmed and they don't have the resources and congress is doing nothing. he has the emergency declaration and you can argue whether or not he should have it. he's not using it. but similarly on the democrat side of the ball, in 2014 everybody ran down to the border. when this first happened, everybody ran down. you got five kids dead now and i'm not hearing the democrats doing anything right now to help it stop. why if you can walk and chew gum? >> well, first of all, let me thank you chris for the passion i have seen night after night. i have been down to the border several times. both through 2018 and 2019.
we had a hearing on this act of separating children from their families and yes, we are really engaged with the department of homeland security on this question of children dying. i'm very sad to hear it because we worked hard to get medical facilities down there. >> they said you digit make it a priority. that congress didn't do what they needed to do for them. >> i am outraged. i have talked to cbp. i'm not blaming them either. this has to stop. what i'd say to you, you have an outraged member looking to find opportunities for funding which should have happened and better resources for the cbp. this little one either died in the hospital or in route to the hospital if i'm not mistaken but more importantly, that child was not alive. you have my commitment chris. i'm outraged. there are many things that congress is focussing on.
this should be a priority. so i thank you for the challenge. we have to do something. >> congresswoman i appreciate you coming on the show. especially on this last question being down there in texas. you're always welcome here to argue what matters and your opinion to the american people. thank you. >> thank you for having me. >> look, there is no excuse to have kids dying on our watch. everyone knows it and yet no one is doing anything about it. that will not be ignored on this show. howev however, the focus is impeachment. it's not a easy call. we'll do it in digestible form next and once we have the factors, let's have a great debate about the best path with two women that exemplify the democratic division. i'm working to keep the fire going
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>> but the vocal minority says let's go. >> choosing to not impeach when there's an abundance of evidence could also be construed as politically motivated as well. we can't be scared of elections. we need to uphold the rule of law. >> let's take you through the plus minuses. impeachment has upsides. it could be the best way to get you the information that you deserve so you can decide if there were an actionable abuse of power by the president. impeachment may also accelerate the legal battles this president is throwing up all over the place as challenges. don mcgahn may be next but on the other hand, democrats just got a big decision against the president's tax prep people pretty quickly which leads many democrats to say this. >> our process is working well. let's just keep riding it out.
we'll win it. >> the grind takes time. win when? in time for the election? no guarantee and if they swing they have to deliver. take a look at these polls. 69% of democrats want impeachment but what they really want they likely won't get which is removal. so going through the effort and not delivering could cost them with this group and many beyond. takes us to the second poll. that please impeach number drops to 37%. you're seeing the split. that split is why you're hearing stuff like this. >> the president of the united states of america needs to be impeached. >> we don't need impeachment at all to be able to move forward with the investigation. >> you have exposure and legal advantages. you have to look at the political reality.
it's an unknown. and there is a risk of making the bully in this, this president, look like a victim if you overreach in the name of ov oversight like you keep saying. >> they're trying to get a redo. trying to get a do over. >> maybe that's what he used to call it in school. he called it a do over but that's not what it is. it's a redo. it's a different standard. this is not about beyond a reasonable doubt. it's about beyond what the country wants in a president. gross abuse of power that disgusts enough of you to influence lawmakers. it doesn't put this president behind bars and nothing well but we can see what key folks have to say. cautionary note. managing expectations. first example on that is the mueller report. the president has been playing
to advantage with no collusion and no obstruction. here is the good news for democrats. he also overplayed once again and lied once again. here's what we know. there's plenty of attempted collusion and actually wrong doing that they may care about that in report. however that may not be about a how but about a who. i suggest this. if you get mr. mueller on the stand and he says what he found, how he found it and why he explained it the way he did, the path forward from there will be clear. let's put it up to the political minds. should democrats take the risk or would they be playing right into the president's hand if they make the impeachment move? that's the great debate and it's next. the only one to combine a safe sleep aid and the 12-hour pain-relieving
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listen, you ask nancy pelosi if she is under pressure, she's going to say no. she's a pro at this. that said the speecher has the reigns in hand for now but tensions get higher as the president's tactics get lower and lower. so is impeaching the strong move or strong and wrong? the start of tonight's great debate among two prom ninent democrats. great to have you both. angela, what's the move? people are all over the place. i have sheila jackson lee tonight that says i'm going for an instrument of investigation and have the whole house vote on it. that's the move. that will send a message. you have other members of congress saying time to itch peach. you have a vocal minority, you have the speaker, where are you people? >> first of all, not you people tonight, chris. >> you democrats.
don't try to side track me. >> not you people. >> what's the right move. >> speaking of side track, i feel like in a lot of ways folks are. she was just on talking about a resolution of an investigation. i respect what she is doing. she's trying to move the ball down the field but it's redundant. a resolution of investigation gives the same power to congressional committees to engage in oversight. to determine wlnhether or not there was any wrong doing and issue subpoenas. all of that they have through powers of the constitution. it may give the moderates recover but that's redundant. what is appealing to me and some of the others is the voters that said we want you to control the house because we need somebody to serve as checks and balances to donald trump. we want to make sure that he doesn't get away with high crimes and misdemeanors. buzz words for impeachment so we'd like for you to consider this thing called an impeachment inquiry.
that's all it is. when you look at what has to pass the full house for nixon and clinton, here's what it said, to investigate fully and completely whether sufficient grounds exist for the house of representatives to exercise it's constitutional powers to impeach. that is it. we're talking about giving them the power they need if they were to go to the courts which is where donald trump says he wants to legislate now, in the courts. broad sweeping authority and there's a broadened scope for investigative powers for congress. that's not the same. that's why they have not had to show up. this only gives them the power they need to do this. i don't mean to filibuster. >> it's all right. i know the tricks, i have you on because of the tricks. >> these are the facts. i want people to know. >> you should. that's why i let you put it out there. it's important to the audience and thank you. karen, the analytical aspect of
the information is once you go, you're gone. once you go down the road of impeachment you better deliver because what the 67% of the people in your party really want is removal and if you can't remove, not only do you let them down but you give the president a leg up and he says they came after me and they lost. >> so i think we need to make the case. what you saw today certainly with don mcgahn not showing up was an increasing number of members across the spectrum in the democratic party moving down the field so say we'll probably end up at impeachment and i heard others say i'm getting there. i think that's very important. here's the problem. you have to bring the public along. think about watergate, right? i did a little research on watergate at the beginning of the inquiry it was at 19%. people thinking impeachment. after you had democrats in congress making their case.
people like barbara jordan making her case on the floor of the house of representatives, you got to over 50%. >> evidence of a felony. >> okay but my point is you still have to make your case and most americans are not following this the way that we are. most americans are hearing bits and pieces. they don't actually understand the differences between the powers so -- and by the way, part of the problem is i think democrats kind of got caught flat footed here when the barr summary first came out because he got to control the narrative coming out of the gate. >> exactly. >> they got caught flat footed when they allowed three senators to vote for someone that they had to know was going to do this. let me reframe it though. i hear you both on this. let's get from macro to micro here. my consideration is this. we seem to be hyper focused on how to do this. is the better route who? do you think they should go all in on getting mueller? because once mr. mueller testifies, the path forward will be clear. either the american people will
be like oh, that's why he put it the way he put it. oh, i need to know more, or they're going to be like no, that and mixed and political or whatever and it's over. why not just focus on getting him and letting the rest take care of itself? >> i'm so glad that you asked. in killing the filibuster moment you killed this particular moment. if there is a broader scope of an impeachment inquiry they're more likely to get mueller. that is a broadcasting moment, you just talked about this in the last segment where everyone can hear for themselves within the 400 page report that they're either too lazy or hadn't had access or the time to read. that's the time to do that. the only way i believe democrats are going to get this information, the people in control of the house is if there is an impeachment inquiry. the congressman said earlier that he's not able to get subpoenas even responded to.
don mcgahn digit show up today. they got the court decision that said it today. you have to make the case. by the way, the more the white house stone walls the greater the case actually is to have to go to impeachment to your point because then you can say we tried to get the information. they stone walled. this is the only way americans that we can actually get you the information. my point is just you have to -- having also lived through white water, by the way, you have to make the case and bring people along because they're not following it the way we are and you also, by the way, have to connect the case to the fact that what you were talking about before, chris, kids are dying on
the border. why? republicans in congress are too busy protecting this president instead of doing their job. >> democrats didn't give them what they asked for. >> i respectfully disagree. >> it's true. >> you still have to connect it to -- i also want to point out that the white house counsel sent a letter on may 15th saying the white house wasn't going to comply. we have enough evidence. we have a redacted mueller report that they refuse to take out the redactions so people can chew on that. that's my whole point but i'm saying that we have moment after moment, case after case, no tax returns. they're not going to comply. >> but if you do open the impeachment proceeding.
>> impeachment inquiry. >> as long as the word is in there it's going to be a political cost. karen, last point to you. >> you also have to engage people outside of washington. we need to do a better job raising the temperature on this issue to give democrats cover. it's not just about putting pressure on nancy pelosi. it's about putting pressure on the republicans and more americans have to understand why this matters. so we have more work to do, i think, in order to make this a more palatable decision but i agree we're going to end up there. >> very good. we agree on that. >> i don't know but i appreciate this and i know this much, my audience is better for hearing your opinions and what's behind them tonight. >> thank you. >> thank you both. i'll have you both back soon. again, appreciate it. now wait until you see the new numbers in this presidential poll about where the democrats
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we have brand new numbers on the democratic nomination. it's all about joe biden. take a look at the numbers. besting bernie sanders. bad news in there for the elusive sanders and booker and kamala and warren and also for beto o'rourke. buttigieg slipped a little bit but from where he is coming from he's still in sweet corn right now. he, beto o'rourke had a lot of promise. look at his numbers now. tonight he has a unique
opportunity. he's going to be making his presidential case during a town hall right after this. so that is going to be a big moment. who better to give perspective on the numbers and what they say about this moment in time when the democrats have to figure out their best foot forward on impeachment than howard dean also headed up the party after that. welcome back to primetime, sir. >> thanks, chris. >> good to have you you. >> nice to be on again. no filibustering this time. >> no, you're always welcome. what is the story there? >> too early. too early. >> understood. >> joe has momentum. he has 100% name recognition. we have a long way to go. the voters have a long history of wanting new people. i wouldn't count them out and it's likely and room for one or two people never in the polls to come forward at some point during the campaign. probably after the debates.
that's what i thought but you have to give him credit where credit is do. a poll is only a snapshot in time. it only tells you something right now. it is suggestive. not predictive. so is it suggestive that if you want to decide what to do look at joe biden. that part of the party is not begging for impeachment. >> it's a political matter but you have to look at it. i prefer a little more speed.
what do you do? >> it's going to take a long time. they just settled the case two weeks ago. it takes time. >> right. you have to set this up in the mind of the jury and the jury is the american people. the republicans aren't going to cooperate. in order to do the right thing we have to bring the jury along with us. we have to have them come in and underoath testify about what's going on. we also ought to begin disbarment proceedings against barr and mcgahn in front of the
d.c. barr. we have to be much tougher and we have to act quicker but i'm not ready to go down until we actually see evidence that the american people will see. this is the most corrupt president in the history of the united states of america. most people know that. and we just have to make sure we have them with us. >> there's two instructions in that. if you want them with you don't be what you oppose and two you have to make sure that you have a clean call when you do make moves. right now he's just listening to somebody that has the privilege, arguably. >> you can try to have him disbarred now. >> you could try. >> we have a ways to go down the road with mechancgahn. that law firm is going to
separate. would you like to go to a law firm where one of the senior partners is all mixed up in a mess like this with donald trump? >> if he comes through it clean, i like having mcgahn on my team and that's why a lot of law firms bring those names in. >> yeah but you cannot stiff congress. you have to tell the truth. >> beto o'rourke, town hall. i give him his best defense. the media was shining him up like an apple for teacher and they have a tendency to do that early in a race. you remember that in your own race. the love doesn't last. what lesson would you impart about what you learned about what took you where you were and what didn't keep you there?
he has to show who he is. the media has done a good job of getting them in front of the american people. the town meetings have given the american people the opportunity to see candidates that they don't know what it is about. that matters a lot. >> i'll tell you, it's not my call. i'm happy to be involved but they are not gang busters for ratings. what they are is responsible. fox is doing them. msnbc is doing them. we do the most in my opinion and do them with people that maybe wouldn't get a voice and that's the service to the people and it's about time they get to serve more. appreciate your perspective as always. you are always welcome on my show, sir. >> thanks, chris. >> be well. >> america's biggest beverage
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trifecta of truth abuse. i'm going to surround myself only with the best and most serious people. we want top-of-the-line professionals. literally, i don't think you could point to one person in any major position that would get any kind of consensus that they were a great choice, let alone the best. the latest and perhaps saddest example of this fact, secretary of housing and urban development today. >> also would like you to get back to me if you don't mind to explain the disparity in reo rates. do you know what an reo is? >> an oreo? >> no, not an oreo. an reo. r-e-o. >> real estate? >> what's the "o" stand for. >> organization. >> owned. real estate owned. that's what happens when a property goes to foreclosure, we call it an r ereo.
>> ben carson, yeen jugenius su. even two years in he doesn't know an acronym that applies to one-third of the sales of the organization he oversees. unlike six former trump advisers who were charged in the russia investigation, he still has his job. guilty pleas or convictions for five so far. the best, trump's so good at hiring only the best that there is a 68% turnover rate of senior jobs in his administration according to brookings. he is so good at hiring only the best, he's considering chris cobat to be the immigration czar. his res maugs includes running the international commission on unproven election fraud which was closed down and for advising anti-immigrant former sheriff joe arpaio. here is the best part. the list of demand to entice him to take the job, here is what he
wanted. 24/7 access to a government jet. i'm not kidding. it is real, documented. a west wing office. trump following other secretaries to follow his directives. a nomination to be homeland security secretary by november. weekends in kansas. that's just half the list. so much for draining the swamp. the best news is that this president is expected to go in a different direction on this job of immigration czar. now, one fair point. it is not easy for this administration to get top people, and we can all guess why. >> i know more about isis than the generals do. >> i know more about drones than anybody. >> nobody knows more about construction than i do. >> nobody knows that better than i do. >> i know more about courts than any human being on earth. >> the truth is nobody needs good counsel and expert advice more than this president does and he isn't getting it clearly. the presidency has never been a one-man job, not even close, and many of the problems we have and continue to see are about a
president evidencing a unique brand of ignorance and arrogance, and that keeps the best away and keeps in the dark those who he allows to stay. in the next race the president can accurately campaign on making the administration great again because he has set a low bar for success on that promise to be sure. thank you for watching us, a cnn presidential town hall with beto o'rourke starts right now. ♪ good evening from iowa, the first stop on the road to the white house, and welcome to cnn's democratic presidential town hall with former congressman beto o'rourke. i'm dana bash and we are here for the first nationally