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♪ ♪ (clap, clap) olly. this is cnn tonight. president trump and house speaker nancy pelosi at war tonight. the president is making their growing feud personal after pelosi accused him of engaging in obstruction of justice and a coverup and of throwing temper tantrums like a spoiled child. >> it was sad when i watched nancy all moving the movement and the hands and the craziness, and i watched it. that's, by the way, a person that's got some problems. >> she clearly has gotten deeply under his skin. though in a rare admission that pelosi has the upper hand, a source close to the white house insists that speaker, quote, hasn't gotten under his skin but got his attention. i'll say she did. pelosi for her part calling into question the president's ability
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to handle his job saying he needs an intervention. >> that's up to his family and his cabinet and his staff and the white house. this is not behavior that is -- rises to the dignity of the office of president of the united states. >> let's discuss. democratic congressman jeffreys of new york who sits on the house judiciary committee joins us. thank you. there's so much to ask you. >> great to be here. >> listen, i want you to take a loon at what the president said about nancy pelosi today and then we'll talk about it. >> it was sad when i saw nancy moving the hands and the crazy. that's, by the way, a person that's got some problems. >> nancy pelosi is a legendary legislator and one of the brilliant legislative leaders in
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fact she's accomplished a tremendous amount on behalf of tens of millions of americans in many different areas including helping to usher in the historic affordable care act in 2010. now the president is forced to deal with a strong speaker who has the full support of the house democratic caucus when during the last two years essentially the house republicans conducted themselves like subsidiaries of the trump administration. he clearly does not know what to do, and he's having a major meltdown in front of the american people. >> nancy pelosi is not afraid to spar with the president, though. this is some of what she had to say today. watch this. >> i wish that his family or his administration or his staff would have an intervention for the good of the country. i pray for the president of the united states. >> the prayer comment almost suggests you're concerned about his well being. >> i am. >> here's the thing. she knows exactly how to get
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under his skin. you know that. you said she's a smart woman by questioning his health. and tonight the president, some of his supporters seem to be coordinating a message that there's something wrong with her health while doctored videos spread like wildfire online. what's going on here? >> again, dangerously close to embarking on the same type of sexist campaign that they tried to engineer against hillary clinton during the midst of the 2016 presidential race. that will not be effective at all in the context of speaker nancy pelosi. it's unfortunate. why don't they engage in a debate with us on the issues? we saw the president walked out of a meeting on infrastructure as opposed to having a conversation with us. we were there as democratic leaders to talk about our plan to deal with the crumbling bridges, roads, tunnels, airports, mass transportation system that exists in the united states of america.
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we want to invest at least a trillion dollars. >> you were in the room. >> i was not in the room. it was jim clay born and nancy pelosi. >> did you talk to jim clyburn and who else? >> city hoyer and nancy pelosi. we were briefed by all three of them. >> did they say anything about the president's demeanor? >> that's correct. the president appeared agitated and erratic and the whole thing seemed staged. and three weeks ago the president indicated to us that he wanted to have a real discussion to try to enter into a bipartsan infrastructure deal, and now he appears to be super sensitive based on the fact that we're calling him on the notion that his administration is clearly engaging in a sustained and systematic coverup. >> yeah. >> so i got to ask you, you know, she has said, nancy pelosi
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has said he needs an intervention. congress could intervene with impeachment. justin amash called for the president's impeachment says that pelosi is talking out of both sides of her mouth on the issue. does he have a point with that? >> no. we haven't ruled anything in or out. we're going to follow the facts, apply the law, respect the constitution, and see where that leads us. at the moment all of the relevant oversight committee chairs have agreed with the strategy to proceed methodically and aggressively. chairman nadler committed to holding hearings on obstruction of justice and abuse of power. we're going to hold hearings on the culture of corruption that appears to exist at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. >> the president said he can't investigate and legislate at the same time. he announced new legislation with chuck schumer to
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decriminalize marijuana. why is this an important issue for you? >> we were able to advance the first step act in the last congress which is going to help currently incarcerate individuals successfully transition back into society as well as striking down some of the more draconian failed war on drugs sentencing laws. we want to build upon that. you've had presidents in the past that were under investigation by congress and were able to work together. richard nixon was able to work together with house democrats when he was being investigated connected to the water gate scandal. bill clinton was able to work together with house republicans during the so-called white water investigation. what's wrong with this president? he's supposed to be a stable june yus. we want to drive down the high cost of life saving prescription drugs. we need a partner to be able to do it. >> congressman jeffreys, it's always a pleasure to have you on. thank you. >> great to see you. i want to bring in ryan liza
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and susan glasser. it is on, so to speak, between trump and pelosi. is there any doubt in your mind, susan, who has the upper hand here? >> you know, they both have a theory of the case. they can't both be correct. you have a notion that trump thinks it's good for himself if democrats proceed with impeachment. pelosi thinks it's politically perilous to do so. they can't both be right and of course the frustration is we now have to live through all of this and see how it comes out. but today don, watch that video. that seven minute video in the white house, i think it's like one of those extraordinary records of the kind of madness that we're experiencing, and that makes this presidency unlike any other spectacle we've seen before. the debasement of individuals today was just -- it's something that you want to put in a time
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capsule and you wonder what are people going to think of this if you showed it to them 20 years from now. >> i can only imagine. ryan, what is it about nancy pelosi that gets president trump so rattled? i mean, why is she the one who always gets under his skin? >> i don't know. i think he has a weird respect for her, and he knows that she has the respect of her own caucus and that even though there's some outliers, some people who buck leadership a little bit, she has incredible handle on the democratic house. she doesn't quite have the problems that john boehner or paul ryan had, and i think he finds that extremely frustrating that he can't crack democrats. he can't really divide them. there are some division -- having said that there are some divisions on the question of impeachment, and this mightily logical divisions that crop up every once in a while, but for
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the most part i think he is frustrated by the respect she commands, and look, he had a couple years where it was just a free ride. right? and -- >> he also knows that she's extremely unpopular with his base. she's one of the boogie people that he pulls out when he wants to rile up the base with barack obama or nancy pelosi or hillary clinton. it's one of those you can just whip out. >> you know, that's right. she's been a boogie man for republicans for a long time. the 2018 midterms, a lot of the messaging from republicans was trying to use pelosi as that boogie man. it didn't really work. i mean, democrats took back the house anyway. but look, the house is very powerful. he's realizing despite trying to thwart all of their investigations that they -- you know, congress is a co-equal branch of government and having
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a democratic house is no fun. she's the speaker and leading the whole thing. >> we warned. get ready. a lot of people warned get ready when they saw the new congress, the democratic-controlled congress coming in. susan, trump's attacks on pelosi similar to how he went after to hillary clinton during the election. does this president have a problem with strong women in power? >> well, it seems to me that the answer is unequivocally yes to that. i was struck as you were today listening to him talking about crazy nancy pelosi, and suggesting that she was really losing it or had a problem. it's similar to some of the criticisms and the effort to implant the idea with voters before the 2016 election that hillary clinton was unwell. remember, she then had that, of course, terribly ill time bout of a cold that turns into pneumonia after the labor day in 2016, and trump was all over that in a reminiscent way.
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that was the debate stage where he stood up on the debate stage in 2016 and seemed to physically menace hillary clinton. you know, the thing that's interesting is that there are no real senior women in trump's cabinet. there are no women in real high ranking leadership positions. now, you have this spectacle today of officials he's put forward publicly who include women. kellyanne conway today. sarah sanders. it was -- it's really interesting to see that he really seems to only be comfortable with women in a more subservient position, and i don't think he's ever had an adversary like nancy pelosi is a powerful independent woman whose stature has nothing to do with his. it's not derivative of him in any way. >> susan, ryan, thank you. appreciate your time. >> thanks. i told you about the president's latest effort to distract and deflect.
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indictments going back to our original intelligence community assessment that we did in january of '17. i wonder what else is going to be declassified that risks jeopardizing source and methods. i don't know. >> according to a memo released by the white house, it says the heads of each department or agency that includes an element of the intelligence community should provide such assistance and information as the attorney general may request in connection with that review. what does this do to the people in those agencies? >> well, the currently serving ones it doesn't do much of anything. i think looking to the future, and i'm particularly concerned about the fbi and the already i think damage has been done there. in terms of precedence, because i think this is going to have a
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chilling effect on any kind of future such god forbid we have one, but if we did have a chilling effect on the law enforcement intelligence community generally but specifically because of the investigatory responsibilities that the fbi has only, i worry about that. the chilling effect. >> yeah. sorry for coughing in your ear. it came up on me suddenly. listen, trump had a bad week. he's been ripped apart by nancy pelosi. multiple federal judges ruled he isn't exempt from congressional oversight. do you think it's a tactic to make that announcement tonight? >> it could be. i think this is in a small way, people are getting tired of it, it's a way to sort of focus attention away from not such a great week for him by let's inve
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gait the investigators and this sort of thing. it plays to his base. and by the way, don, i think such an inquiry don fairly and objectively would be useful. i'd welcome it. i'd like to speak about it publicly if given the chance. >> i think that's the consensus from most people, as long as it's done fair and it's a thorough investigation, i think with no preconceived notions, i think people are fine with this investigation. listen, you know, he's also going after his former secretary of state, rex tillerson saying that he is dumb as a rock. this is after tillerson told the house committee trump was not prepared for the meeting with vladimir putin. why do you think this got the president so enraged? i mean, is it because it has to do with putin maybe? >> well, that, yeah, that. i think any time somebody
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alleges some imperfection for our stable genius, i think that, you know, that enrages him. he just can't -- he's not very good at taking criticism. and he's in the wrong job for somebody that doesn't like criticism. i can't help but think about a friend of mine, a former boss and a mentor and an iconic american of bob gates. i often wonder what goes through bob's mind. he introduced tillerson to then president-elect trump in trump tower, and it was through mainly through bob's and tillerson's associations with boy scouts of america, and i have to think bob, you know, probably wishes he hadn't done that. >> look, maybe so. you know him better than i do. but he said all these things about tillerson. but him calling tillerson dumb as a rock, this is what he used
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to say about him. here it is. watch this. >> we have a very talented man, rex tillerson. >> as you know, rex, secretary of state has done an incredible job. >> so, of course this is a theme with the president. michael cohen was a very talented lawyer. now he's weak. christopher wray was a man of impeccable credentials you he's not. what does this pattern say to you? >> well, it says to me that boy, think twice before you go to work in the trump administration, because one day you're getting praise. the next day you're getting knocked, and it's -- it's all about him. you know? people that turn on him or have an independent mind is not a good thing in this administration apparently which
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is, by the way, not good for the country. >> director clapper, it's a pleasure having you on. thank you so much. >> thanks, don. >> thank you. howard stern has two words for donald trump's presidential campaign. quote, publicity stunt. well, he's actually got more words than that to say about the president. and you're going to want to hear them next. to a single defining moment... ...when a plan stops being a plan and gets set into motion.
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i've documented my thoughts about how this candidacy came about. it was a publicity stunt. >> you have no doubt? >> i have no doubt. i have some inside information, and the thing is that it started out with the art of the deal, the book, and it was a pr guy's idea. he said donald, what you need to do is we'll make a sort of a rumor that you're running for president. and donald's like oh. so all of a sudden he was being interviewed. the book went to number one. when he had a second book, he decided to start the rumor he was going to run for president, and then this time around in the last election, the apprentice ratings were not what they were. nbc was not going to give him a raise, and what's a better way to get nbc's interest? i'll run for president and i'll get lots of press. i think that's what happened. >> do you think he likes being president? >> i don't think he likes being president at all.
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i think he liked winning the presidency. he likes to win. >> let's discuss with colin quinn, his cnn original series premiering monday night at 9:00. good to see you. >> you too. >> i think howard is right on. i've heard him say it before. i think he's right on the money. >> yeah. it seems like it would be true. not a bad move. >> listen, when you -- he's a wealthy man. not as wealthy as he says he is. right? >> right. >> free to do whatever he wanted. people aren't chasing him and following him at every word, why would he give that up? >> right. he's probably asking that right now. >> he may just like the power that comes with it but hasn't checked in to realize maybe life would be better if i wasn't president of the united states. how are you doing? >> good. >> this is another clip of the interview with howard stern. watch this. >> so when he secured the
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nomination and now he was thinking about the convention, i think he wanted some show business. he picked up the phone and called me personally and asked me if i would go to the republican convention and endorse him. and i was like oh, gosh. you know, for about a split second i went can you imagine if i was all in? i would be the head of the fcc. i could be on the supreme court. i think donald would give me anything. >> can you imagine him on the supreme court? do you think he's give him a cabinet position? howard stern on the fcc? >> i can't see him -- i'm still recovering from him being on america's got talent. >> uh-oh. that was shade, howard. do you think he would have done it? >> -- there are people in positions not qualified. >> of course. i mean, what, are you going to turn something down like that? do it for the radio. why not? >> you think he would do it? >> but he would only do it three
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days a week. sorry, howard. more shade. >> i know. i know. i know. we need more howard. >> yeah. >> he's going to screw you. i want to do less. do you think the president would do that. obviously he wanted the support of howard stern. i would imagine a lot of people doing it to howard is demo. >> but don't they do usually give you an ambassadorship to someplace fun? >> right. yeah. some corrupt little mini state? that's the way you do it? >> would you do it? would you be on -- >> no. >> i got enough problems. >> you're good being colin quinn? >> i got no problem being colin quinn. >> let's watch a clip from your show. >> john adams said the two party system is the greatest political evil under our constitution. george washington cautioned in his fair well address against geographical distinction. they tell us what to do about it? they did not. they just said it and they died.
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now they left us to figure it out. real geniuses. america, two parties still all these years later. two parties. there's 350 million people and there's two parties. there's 15 genders and there's two parties. there's four bathrooms and there's two parties. >> listen, you have been saying this for a while. you think america is so divide it's time for us to become ununited. do you mean that? >> yes. >> that's not you joking around as a comedian? >> look at abortion. look at guns. look at religion. do you think either side is ever going to say you know what, they're right. i'm going to change my opinion. and why should they? >> that's been the reaction? >> so far? >> yeah. >> it's been very muted almost like i'm being ignored, but that's okay, because -- no, there's no reaction yet. i mean, people say the play. a lot of people say i'm trying
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to be funny and everyone goes i almost cried during your show. i'm like what? i'm a comedian. but yeah, people are sad. it does feel true. >> when you watch what's going on and you think about trump may be having another term or there's democrats. if you think about what's happening in the division, are you hopeful? are you pessimistic about the future of the nation? >> no. i mean, i can't see -- i just feel like from day one it was divided, and now social media has highlighted how everybody is different and no one is going to give because the whole point is you shouldn't have to give. >> you know what? >> what? screw you. >> whatever. i don't care about what you say. i'm joking. >> more important than what i said, should i have worn a blazer in the special? >> i think you look good. you wear a blazer on this show. i like it. you got to watch this. it's a good original series. don't miss red state blue state. it premiers memorial day
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this week we saw two legal setbacks for the president as he tries to block congress from gaining access to financial record. two big defeats for the president and his legal time. let's discuss with dan abrams the co-author of theodore roosevelt for the defense, a courtroom battle to save his legacy. it looks like a good read. i haven't gotten to it yet. >> it's a great read. thank you. >> before we talk, let's talk
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about the president's legal woes. we'll get to that. i want to ask you about the breaking news. he's directed his intelligence community to assist william barr in the surveillance of the 2016 election. is that an appropriate use or method or something that the justice department should be doing? >> here's the concern. he's also saying let's declassify everything right now. so is it fair to look into how the russia investigation started? yeah, except that there is no at this point credible accusation of wrong doing up to this point. so i have no problem, for example, the inspector general of the fbi is actively investigating right now the fisa warrants. terrific. i look forward to reading that report. if there was wrong doing, great. but the idea that the president is pronouncing right now the declassification of all the material leading up to the 2016
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russia investigation, look, we know pretty much how the investigation started this. we know why it started. if there's new information that we don't know of, hey, i'm all for it. but the director of the fbi said, you know, i haven't seen anything out there that involves -- >> unless you listen to conspiracy theorists or the propaganda spreaders saying it was illegal and all of that, but we know the origins of the investigation. >> we know the origins of the investigation. you can connect the dots. you can go from carter page in 2013, papadopoulos in 2016, et cetera. >> from a legal perspective, this was a bad week for the president when you look at the two legal setbacks for him. is this serious rebukes for his legal strategies because in some ways it seems like they're mocking his attorneys. >> there's no question. one of the judges in particular compared him to one of our worst presidents ever, james buchanan in mocking him.
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>> that's what a former u.s. attorney said courts are not just ruling against trump. courts are mocking his lawyer's arguments as they should. >> they are. but one of the worst legal arguments that the president has is that his tax returns have to stay private, that you can't subpoena his records. he's going to lose on the issues of records related to his finances and his tax returns. >> even the next one is ruling is july 12th. he's going to lose. >> he's going to lose. the tougher questions are the testimony questions. about the subpoenas of who's going to have to testify and who is not. there there are some real legal issues to unpack. but on this question of the subpoenas of the records, their argument is really just incredibly weak. >> let's talk about this. i'm sure you want to talk about it. theodore roosevelt for the defense. he insulted journalists and slammed court rulings he didn't like. sounds familiar. he pushed the limit in immigration.
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he even had an attorney general who resigned because of his autocratic tendencies. there's a familiarity. >> there's no question there's similarities between theodore roosevelt, and donald trump is being sued in civil court. we may see donald trump on the witness stand. roosevelt testified in a trial for eight days in fa. he was the defendant. think about the former president of the united states on the stand for eight days. the country was watching. it was front page news everywhere. we have the full 3,000 page plus transcript of the trial. franklin roosevelt testified in his defense. somehow it's a footnote to history. i should say i talked about some of the similarities. there are also enormous differences between donald trump and theodore roosevelt in fact he was one of the great conservationists. he cared about alliances with our allies, et cetera. >> so the year is 1914.
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roosevelt endorses a governor candidate. he writes this. you call it the trial of the century. you write only one of them involved a former president of the united states testifying to his own defense for over a week. do you think trump would be taking the stand? would it look much different than theodore roosevelt? >> i think it would. i think back then it was the iconic figure teddy roosevelt. you liked him or didn't like him. the lawyer cross examining him didn't like him at all. i think these days it would feel more politicized. i don't know that there would be the level of interest. if this is former president trump, i think there's interest. not the kind of interest there was back then. >> what did you learn from writing this? >> there are a lot of issues that existed then that are still existing today. one of the big fights they're talking about is money and politics. corruption. some of the same issues we talk about today, the same issues in
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the trial. >> so it goes. there it is. there's dan abrams there. here's the book. theodore roosevelt for the defense. >> don, thank you. appreciate it. west point is graduating its most diverse class in history. how will it help them conserve america in the armed forces? we'll talk about that next. [kno♪king]
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history. the school says it's 2019 graduating class is the most diverse ever by race and gender. joining me now are six members of that class. let's see if i can do this properly. you're doing a great job. dalton stall is here. tuga. katherine guteline. >> great. >> thank you. congratulations and i'm glad you're here. i'm going to start with gabrielle. how does it feel to be part of this historic class? >> it feels amazing, sir. i'm extremely honored to be part of this class and i'm grateful for all the people who have paved the way for me to be part of this historic class. >> kate, i want to get your thoughts on the significance of this picture. i thinkawesome.
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women of color in uniform graduated in record numbers, 34. what does that represent for you personally? >> well, sir, it represents a lot of things for me. on one hand these are the women that i started this journey off with. so to be able to be closing off with so many of us still making it to this finish line. everyone to the left, right, behind me in that picture are a source of inspiration for me. i'm so grateful to be in it with them. but more than that it's a testament to the brother hood and sister hood we've built over the course of our four years at west point. it's a team based academy and that is what this picture represents ultimately. and that there is diversity amongst us as black women as well. >> yeah. well, listen, very well said. mimi, this is a very divisive time in our country's history
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but you all have the strength to show that. how will you demonstrate that in your military career? how do you plan to demonstrate that in your career? >> well, sir, i think our class is ready to demonstrate that as a whole. being one of the most diverse classes to graduate from here. we are ready, we've interacted with each other in positive ways through training and classes and we'll continue to do that in our careers and when we're platoon leaders and going forward. i think we have an immense opportunity, sir, to change the army and just continue to make an impact in that way because of the people in this class. >> so tuga, if i may call you that, to you next, what do you want to accomplish now as you graduate the academy? >> well, as a future leader of this academy i want to make sure that i can lead everyone as i need to and i think that's something they do a great job of
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instilling here, making sure that you are responsible for those around you, those you're in charge of, and it's an incredible opportunity to do it because now we'll be able to go out in a few months and we'll have our own platoons and it's something that we can never imagine doing anywhere else. >> katherine, in 2014 west point moved to not just actively recruit more women and minority students but to diversify its leadership. how important is it to have leader or classmate from the same background as you? >> one thing that i think is -- west point in general is really -- it's a cooperative effort. we all have to work together to graduate and it's very nice to have people by your side who come from the same background. they may have the same way of looking at things. but even more, the environment that we're in we are exposed to so many people with so many
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different ways of thinking and i think as much as it's important to have people who i like you it's important to have people who are different, who think differently because that will teach you to think in a more well rounded manner which will ultimately help you to lead soldiers, which is what we're here to do, we're here to learn how to lead, to care for the sons and daughters that the united states is entrusting to us to lead not only in the army but beyond that. >> very nice. so dalton, what's the most important lesson you've learned from your team at west point? it's pretty prestigious to go there and graduate from west point. what's your most important lesson you've learned? >> it's to step outside your comfort zone and to take on as many tasks as you possibly can. that was something that i wasn't super willing to do before west point but now that i've come here it's a learning environment. they're willing to let you make
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mistakes and that's okay but you make as many mistakes as you can while you're here so you don't make those mistakes in front of soldiers in the army. >> so you guys look great, you're very buttoned up. i can see that you're professionals. my last question is, do you guys ever have any fun? >> yes, sir. >> i guess that means yes, right? >> i guess you missed the time ahead of this, i enjoy laughing a great deal and i think i get people going quickly. >> it's definitely not the same as civilian school, but we have our own version of it, i would say, sir. >> so dalton -- >> hard to believe, but we promise. >> dalton, tuga, katherine, mimi, kate, gabrielle, did i get everybody? >> yes, sir. >> we're so proud of you. congratulations and best of luck.
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almost memorial day weekend, for many that means the unofficial start of summer. it can be difficult for anyone mourning a family member. this week's cnn hero lost her dad when she was 14, and struggled with depression for more than a decade. now mary robinson is making sure other children don't lose years of their lives to unresolved grief n. >> my name is bella, and my dad died. >> kids in grief are kids at risk. time does not heal all wounds. time helps but it's what you do with that time and what you need to do is mourn. >> when you hear other people's stories it kind of brings comfort. >> so that's why a place like imagine exists to give children a place to mourn their loss and find out that they're not alone. >> and to meet some of the families mary is helping and to nominate someone you think should be a cnn h


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