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another key witness from cooperating with a democratic subpoena. it fueling impeachment talk against the president? plus republicans warning trump against imposing tariffs on mexico. will he listen? a linc with a message for trump. and paul manafort may be headed to the brutal prison on rikers island. what life could be like for the former campaign chairman. let's go outfront. good evening i'm erin burnett. outfront the breaking news. president trump blocking hope hicks from handing over documents to congress, indictments required under subpoena. hope hicks attorney saying the
documents could fall under executive prifrlgts. now keep in mind hicks is crucial, the inner circle for trump as is gets, the witness to the controversial moments in mueller's report, why democrats investigating obstruction want her to hand over documents from time at the white house. and the deadline is tonight. but hicks tonight is not the only star
witness trump is trying to quiet. the white house also blocking former white house counsel don mcgahn's chief of staff from cooperating annie donaldson, notes quoted stents 11 ht mueller report, central to it. at this hour the chairman of the house judiciary committee jerry nadler in a statement says this is evidence of the president's obstruction of congressional investigations, that some democrats are taking it further. >> he is a total obstruction, no witnesses, no talk, no documents, just like the po mob. >> do you think it's time to open up louisiana impeachment inquiry. >> long past time. >> house represent etch lloyd doggett and long past time.
he says. thes house speaker nancy pelosi is staring downturn growing insurgents in the party. you can see the number growing every day. up to 59. so how long can pelosi cape everyone at bay? it may in the be much longer if you ask alexandria oxio cortes. >> do you sense impeachment restlessness among fellow democrats. >> pamela brown is traveling with the president in london where she is outfront live. pamela, hope hicks, annie donaldson, the latest blocked by the white house. they are important star witnesses. and obviously this is the way the white house is playing. they're playing tough down to the bottom line. >> that's absolutely right. this is a pattern from the white house directing former white house officials to not comply with some of the requests from house committees from democrats.
so this will only ratchet up the tension between the two branches of government. and in in latest example today, the white house has directed hope hicks who was a former white house official, a close adviser to president trump and the deputy white house counsel anne donaldson to not turn over documents to the judiciary committee during the time at the white house. arguing that the documents could fall under confidentiality. they could be subject to executive privilege concerns. in both cases, anne donaldson and hope hicks are abiding by that. the committee does say through jerry nadler, the chairman, that hope hicks worked out a deal. she will be providing some documents relating to the campaign. of course the white house does not have jurisdiction over campaign documents. but certainly jerry nadler is saying he could mold hope hicks and anne donaldson in contempt. another interesting part is that
the white house pointed to doj you're working with doj to get the documents for. see it through. doj wrote a letter saying we will hand over some documents, a limited number if you no longer -- if you don't hold this vote to hold the attorney general in contempt. jerry nadler said absolutely not, that he will talk with doj but that the contempt vote will still be held. so you see this back and forth play out. and this is just over documents, erin. we haven't gotten to the testimony yet for the two witnesses in the mueller probe rb anne donaldson and hope hicks. that's later. but this follows blocking the testimony and documents from former white house counsel don mcgahn. >> thank you, pamela. gets go to jackie speier on the house swellings and oversight committees. good to have you back. >> thank you, erin. >> what should happen, hope hicks, annie donaldson, the attorneys say look they are trying the executive privilege, abiding by what the white house
wants, which is keep quiet, defy a subpoena. should they be held in contempt. >> yes they should be held in contempt. we have been operating with white gloves while the president has been operating with boxing gloves. and it's time for us to take the white gloves off and put on the bocking gloves as well. we are a co-equal branch of government. we have the responsibility of oversight. we have the responsibility to access the documents and to hear from these individuals. they have waived any prieflg, any executive privilege associated with their relationship with donald trump because they actually participated in the special counsel's investigation. so it's time for us to get really serious about this. this is a individual who has violated every principle of the constitution. and he does it consistently. and we sit back and don't take the kind of firm action we should be taking. i would also argue that we should be pursuing inherent
contempt. if we pursue civil contempt it goes on for years. look at eric holder that went on six years, just a negotiated settlement three weeks ago. so we need to take action as an equal -- co-equal branch of government and get these materials that we need. >> inherent you could move immediately. >> we could move immediately. they could come to the house floor. forget the jail, forget the shackles, just start finding them $25 a day. and then we will have some cooperation. >> i would imagine you would with that. so when you say that you need to take firm action. obviously you said i supported starting the impeachment process. the speaker is not there. i don't know if you heard alexandria ocasio-cortez, talking about restless democrats. are you hearing from constituents in do you think pelosi is going to move. >> i think that the speaker will move when she believes she has
the majority of the members of her caucus and gnat 40 members that are in play here will be protected. but i have to tell you, i am tired of us looking at this as if it's a political chess game. i am not a campaign consultant. i'm a member of congress. i have an obligation to swear under oath that i will protect and defend the constitution of the united states. this president is obstructing justice. he obstructs it as a private citizen. he is obstructed justice as a candidate. he has obstructed justice as a president of the united states. at least 11 times based on the special counsel's analysis. >> does she -- >> and now he wants to have the department of justice go after his enemies like we're some banana republic, whether joe wid biden or hillary clinton we have to recognize what's going on. >> does the speaker agree with you? it sounds like she has to manage
here people and get her people onboard. that's her job as a speaker but she talked about impeachment being divisive for the country which may be true but certainly sounds more based on politics or different evaluation of the situation than just pure principle and constitutionality. does she grow behind closed doors this is the right thing to do and not ready yet. >> i think we have an avalanche of evidence now and it grows day by day. the american people want us to do our job. our job to protect the constitution, protect this institution. by starting impeachment inquiry, regardless whether the senate takes it up or not we need to lay out the facts for the american people. they're not reading the mueller report. that's our job. i want to take one pause if i may accommodates and get your
reaction. but pamela is skomg back in with breaking news. i know pamela you spoke exclusively with pennsylvania high ranking british official minister of security for state. and you asked about claims that trump repeated that british intelligence helped obama spy on the trump campaign. what are you learning at this hour? >> that's right. i asked about ben wallace about the allegations that the president repeated he beliefs the brits spied on his campaign. ben wallace oversees the intelligence agencies in the uk and works closely with u.s. intelligence agencies. and while he didn't want to comment specifically on intelligence sharing. he did say that the brits don't have the resources and the capacity to spy on a friend on an ally like the united states, particularly a presidential campaign. he said if you really want to learn about american politics just turn on the news because there are so many other important priorities here in great britain. here is what he said. >> in the days of social media
and all the speculation that goes on there is no big conspiracy and the idea that i would take an intelligence officer off the job of targeting in al qaeda in a place of mutual issues to to put him on spying on a campaign of presidential candidate it's not going to be the reality. >> so that sentiment denying that echos what we have heard from other british officials. it was interesting at the joint press conference the president said there is incredible intelligence sharing between the uk and u.s. but he did not talk about his concerns today about the -- the idea that the brits spied on his campaign. he made the claims without providing any evidence. and this official saying flatly that that just didn't happen, erin. >> thank you very much pamela. of course congresswoman, if there was any intelligence picked up it was -- it would appear, licensing to foreign nationals russians who happened to be talking to people on the
trump campaign which is different nan spying on the campaign itself. what's your reaction to what the brits say they are dismissing the idea which the president raises out of hand. >> the president keeps raising it because he is paranoid. and he loves to project as opposed to take responsibility. we share intelligence with five eyes ktd, new zealand, australia. brits. we share intelligence with friends and allies all the time. the only reason the uk would have shared any information would be if it had to do with russia's and russia's intervention in our election. and that's precisely what happened. >> all right. congresswoman, i appreciate your time. thanks. >> thank you, erin. >> and next president trump locked in a bitter back and forth with the mayor of london. >> this is sort of what you speck fl an 11-year-old. >> i think he has been not a very good mayor from what i understand. >> why the obsession, plus the president digging in on threats
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new tonight, trump at war with the mayor of london. trump calling him a stone cold lose ner a tweet. and he responded on cnn. >> this is the sort of hate you expect from an 11-year-old. but it's for him to decide how he behaves. it's not for me to respond in a like manner. it's beneath me to do childish tweets and name calling. >> well, trump heard about that. and immediately fired back. >> i think he has been a -- not very good mayor from what i understand. he has done a poor job. crime is up. a lot of problems. >> outfront now, a member of president trump's 2020 re-elect advisory counsel steve cortes and former counsel to president clinton ball pel gala process paul he looked at a history of comments. and the president has moktd the
mayor more than kim jong un. which he has love letters but also famtzly obsessed with annihilation why the obsession. >> there are 67 million people in great britain one of our closest ally he is in the whole world. not only did he pick sadiq khan he picked on the duchess of sus seks married to a prince. picked on her. they are the two most famous people of clorp no great britain. it's interesting when he picks nights and enemies. and mayor khan -- he doesn't attack boris johnson, the former mayor of left-hand now likely leading candidate to be prime minister. guess what boris johnson he called our president before he was president a stup fieingly ignorant makes him unfit to be president called him out of his mind yet president trump doesn't fight back with boris johnson who is a -- you know a republican nationalist blow hard with bad hair.
but he picks a fight with the muslim mayor of london who said nothing like what boris johnson said. i don't know. >> paul, look i think it's totally irresponsible for you to suggest that there is a racial component to this. the president has absolute sli eviscerated plenty of white men and called them terrible names. go back and look at the things he said in the republican primaries about his opponents most of him are white men. >> i interthe inject illustrate the best offense you have it's a sad defense go ahead. >> i'm just saying it's ridiculous to try to infuse race into this. there is no racial component. it's obvious why he attacked sadiq khan because mcmahon atacted himfers. drawing first blood. he wrote an autism editorial attacking the president. he lied in the editorial says the -- he brought up the charleston sllville hoax where praised neonazis which he didn't at all something i have written extensively about thap that's an absolute lie. and the. fired back at him.
and he fired back at him i think largely because he wants to prove that sadiq khan like other politicians when they don't want to foejds on their jurisdiction they'd like a scapegoat of president trump. in my home city of chicago we saw mayor rahm emmanuel now former mayor rahm emmanuel do this repeatedly. chicago is probably the most dangerous big city in the western world instead of fixing his city he said it was a trump free zone and focused op on president trump same with chan. >> i'm curious on khan, though, the trump baby blimp flying again this year. okay. i mean but there it was. flying. and the reason i mention it is that trump last year told the sun newspapers in london when they put out blimps to make me beal unwell no reason to go to london. he is mad about the blimp. khan reportedry approved the blimp because he is the mayor of london he approved it out there again the motorcade drove buy.
khan knows how to get under trump's skin why does trump take the bait. >> that's a good question. it's called freedom. and you know we fought a war against britain to have the freedom of the press. i think we ought to celebrate freedom of speech the free speech of the british people. to me it's just a really interesting conundrum why he is again -- he picks on other white people that's absolutely true. but he hasn't -- in fact boris johnson has insulted the president worse and today snubbed donald trump. president trump said i think johnson would be a good prime minister he wanted meet with boris johnson. johnson snubbed president trump. much worse than anything sadiq khan is doing one of these things is not like the other. why do you pick with a fight with the muslim mayor not the republican guy who is used to be. >> nothing there you go again paul trying to infies race when it has i'll tell you the answer the answer is because boris johnson may well be prime minister there are strategic reasons to not necessarily insut
boris johnson but what sadiq somebody irrelevant to the united states somebody most americans have frankly never heard of when he comes after donald trump if donald trump counterpunches back and nobody counterpurgesis he is the floi may weather of politics. >> in a brand for sure but you say you wouldn't want to over the the prime minister right because -- what about they're may trump has said plenty of unpleasant things about her. today he said she did a gootd job negotiating but back in march he slammed her here he is and then in march. >> she is probably a better negotiator than i am. i'm surprised at how badly it's all gone from the standpoint of a negotiation. but i gave the prime minister my ideas on how to negotiate it. she didn't listen to that. >> i mean, that's not per jortive steve but no problem slamming her. you're saying he doesn't want to offend boris johnson. he wasn't afraid to offend a
sitting prime minister. >> with if you listen he didn't offend her personally he talked about the process. >> he said she was a bad negotiate are and didn't listen now she he he says he is is a good negotiator. >> the process was a mess. the difference we are trying to major in the minors. the macro issue here is that the same forces that elected donald trump are the resurgent in great britain. as a matter of fact even before donald trump was with brexit with you more show so you now not recently parliamentary election. popular sovereignty is on the march in great britain right now. there are trumpian forces that are extremely powerful and ascendant in the country right now. we can focus on, yes, are there petty instults sults tweeb the mayor of london and president? and see important in the arc of history i don't think at all. what is important, though is that tlfrp there is a trumpian movement in great britain itself and trump is very much reaching out to that the movement. he took energy from it as a candidate. >> true. >> and he reaches back to it as president.
>> yeah. >> and that to me is the macro take away from this visit. >> paul, would you agree that the may roe take with want a the rise of populism and trumpian forces. >> yes and it shows trump putting trumpian issues and ideology and trumpian attitudes ahead of american. he is my president representing my country and yours. he needs to be doing what's best for america. and it's not good for america to pick a fight with the closest allies and friends in london or in great britain. but he has this ideological goal here or this personal goal here of backing republican nationalists all around the world. that's not good por for america. what's good for america is a close relationship with britain no matter the government. >> i appreciate both of you taking the time. we didn't get to talk about houp he wanted his ds kids to meter with the future monarque of england we didn't get there. thank you both.
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tonight top republicans warning the white house they are prepared to block the president's proposed tariffs against mexico. >> there is not much support in my conference for tariffs. that's for sure. >> will you try to block the tariffs? >> well what i'm telling you is we're hoping that doesn't happen. >> a republican aide telling cnn senators are frustrated after meeting with white house officials today where those officials could not explain how the tariffs will even work. president trump predicts though they will happen, they're going through and as planned next week. >> the threat is out there. but we haven't started yet. in will take effect next we can. we will see if we can do something. but i think it's more likely the tariffs go on. >> it's well it's scary if they are going into effect next week but the white house can't plain to congress what are.
so cnn went to the one of the states hit hard. michigan. erica hill is outfront. >> a proud third generation chrysler employee was chris works on the engines of the future. >> i am the engineer's hands. i put things together. >> for years, politicians have campaigned for the support of the country's nearly 1 million auto workers. now their future linked to immigration and the president's push for stronger borders. >> i feel like he wouldn't have to resort to that if we had a senate and congress that would enforce the borders. >> chris, who voted for obama twice supports president trump and his tactics. >> people have endured much worse than an expensive avocados or a few more dollars here and there, to protect the country. i think that this is -- this is valid what he is doing. >> i think it's the wrong way to go about doing it. makes us look awful in the eyes of the world.
honestly i'm ashamed. >> sean crawford just moved back to his hometown for a job at gm's flint, michigan facility after the auto giants announced plans to coast the plant where he worked. >> i have seen the ups and downs of the industry. >> he worries about his future under trump. >> if you raise the price of these products, less people will buy them. it's common sense economics. and if less people buy the products that i'm building every day, then they're going to have to lay people off. >> how quickly do you think that could happen? >> well, in the contract it says they only have to give you 24 hours notice. >> this industry will not be able to survive in its current form with the increasing number of tariffs from mexican goods. it just will mot work. and this will directly and immediately affect the american consumer. >> after 25 years in the volatile auto industry, chris believes they can weather a storm and is confident this
president has his back. >> the idea that somebody would fight for us after being told for years and years, you don't matter, you're going the way of the buggy whip. he has won legionens of fans for doing that. >> while they may not agree on the president's latest proposal and impacts, they do agree that it's time to renegoiate nafta. and both said they were happy to see that wages for mexican workers were addressed in the usmca. there is a provision saying most vehicle parts need to be made by mechanics. workers making at least $16 an hour or there would be additional tariffs. of course with the new proposal and the new tariffs, erin, there is also concern that the usmca is in yepd tonight. >> all right, thank you very much. and president i want to go to mike gallagher of wisconsin, a another crucial swing the state. thanks for your time. obviously in the piece you have different points of view one of the auto workers was saying the president wouldn't have to resort the tariffs if congress
would do its job, would do something on immigration. what's your response to that? >> well be i think in previous negotiations the president has used tariffs in order to advance an economic agenda. in order to ensure a more level playing field economically to compel other countries to reduce tariff bar years we can argue about the wisdom of that but this seems different. we are applying tariffs to effectuate outcome on immigration. he is right to suggest that congress has not gotten its act together. we have not passed a solution to the immigration system. and that makes life harder for dairy farmers in wisconsin. but this is a different issue. i think adding on tariffs at a time we need to pass usmca makes life for difficult more wisconsin farmers and particularly risks snatching defeat from the jaws of victory when it could comes to passing usmca which would be a huge win for wisconsin wisconsin farmser and for the white house.
>> you are one of 13 republicans earlier this year in the house who voted to overturns the president's declaration of a national emergency at the border. would you support another resolution of disapproval if the president uses an emergency declaration in this case right to end around congress and your powers here to impose the tariffs? >> i would. and, listen, i can see there is a crisis at the border. you can examine my legislative record. you can go prior to my legislative record when i was in uniform as a united states marine and i was working for the drug enforcement agency doing counternarcotics work. i get it we need to fund physical border security. we need to secure the border. however constitutionally congress has though defend its quiets. and we can't have a system where one person or a small group of people simply iks wakes up and says i am going to decide to apply tariffs. and that's why i have introduced a bill that would require congress to vote on these issues and claw back some of the authority to regulate commerce with foreign nations that it has
seeded the last few decades. >> the thing is -- and i know you have your option. others in your party agree with you on the fundamentals and you have various ways to stop this. the president passed asked about the opposition from his own party from you all and here is what he said today. >> and what do you think of republicans who say that they may take action to block you imposing the tariffs. >> i don't think they will could that. i think if they do it's foolish. there is nothing more important than borders. >> sew says you'll be foodish to block the tariffs. what's your response to that, foolish. >> well, listen i think it would be foolish to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory on usmac. the president is close to an economic win which i support and i would hate to see the tariffs goat in the way. and it strains cred utility for for mexico to wake up and think we should do something about illegal immigration when the fact is the mexican government doesn't have the resources to
countergangsen a cartel running the state. more broadly. this is more important iran, i think it's foolish to undermine the more important efforts to get tough on china economically by picking fights with our close allies. >> i understand you are making a point first of all that the facts aren't the way he put them out. he says they could stop it if he wanted to stop it it's not that a simple. but you make a point it's about the constitution. on that front i want to ask you with that. 60 members of the house now call for impeachment inquiry into president trump. obviously 59 are democrats but one is your colleague republican cochems jufrten amash. he was asked during a townhall about other republicans on the house on this issue and here is what he said. >> my colleagues tell me all the time, in fact you wouldn't believe how many phone conversations or conversations in person with colleagues justin, by the way, a lot of them think i'm right about the mueller report. and they won't say it. a lot of republicans. >> so he is talking about people in your party some of your
democratic colleagues tell me that many republicans support impeach nlt elevator behind closed door. there are conversations about the constitution, about principles. behind closed doors. do you think that's true? >> no, i mean i've certainly been out front and in the open on my emergency vote. i've written a long treatise in the atlantic about the way in which congress has neutered itself. maybe it's true for some people not my experience. i disagree with justin amash he is a thoughtful person. one of the rare people that takes the imtime limit to read the bells but i don't see the case for kbefrpmentment congress started stepping up on a daily basis and reclaiming authorities, whether on tariff issues, whether oits it's on war powers resolutions, authorization for the use of military force. the fact is we have seeded this authority to the executive. and president trump is doing what every president has done which is to say using the authority that congress gave up in order to advance his agenda.
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tonight, the fight for 2020, joe biden under attack. his fellow democrats pouncing and he is responding. >> what do you say to the democrat who took swipes at new california over the weekend. >> see you around. >> outfront now cnn politic willing comment alice stewart, the communications director for ted cruz appear the communications director for president obama. jenn, it's not 2020 contenders. alexandria ocasio-cortez has incriminate of the climate change plan by joe biden. the progressives in the party are not happy with joe biden. even though he is the clear front runner for the nomination. >> well, democrats don't runners.y embrace front ron -
look back to 2004. at this point in time joe liebermann was leading in the race. there is a lot of time to go. what joe biden is trying to do if you watch his strategy is to reach out to speem skeptical of him. progressives, some young people, people who think that he may not have the kind of ideas that are going to meet the moment. i think that's what this climate change announcement was about today. yes it was criticized but it's still an effort to reach out and be reactive to the issues of the progress he was and the excited base of the democratic part are excited about. >> you mentioned young voters and also people's excitement. alice our new poll shows his support has plunged among young vote theers. it was 31. now 19. margin of err of 11 but still big. trump is trying to make age of an issue here even though
marginally younger than biden >> what happened to biden? i'm rooking at him saying that doesn't look like the guy i knew. >> piem a young, vibrant man. i look at joe. i don't know about him. >> okay. alice, but trump, look he is under water among young vote he issers, his disapproval among them way lower than the general population. 56%. is the age argument helping trump. >> i don't think so. let's just all agree that both of these two men are not spring chickens. so i think they need to to take that issue off the table. let me say this, biden is right to lay out policies with regard to the green new deal because that climate change is a big issue for younger voters. and so this is -- this is a strong policy for him to go about and articulating this. it's not a surprise that he was attacksed by the aocss and progressives of the democrats because it was not progressive enough. this might be green new deal
lite but still green new deal and addresses climate change and it's an important issue that the democrats need to do. and look, i think he needs to continue reaching out to the new face of the democrat party nottious younger voters it's females be african-americans, the lgbt community and that's what i see him continuing to do moving forward. >> that's the problem here, jenn that he has to deal with, the idea of do you have new ideas? right? i mean when young you slam the old for having old ideas just like joe biden did first term councilman in delaware 1972 challenge as guy 30 years older than one of his ads i have to quote because it's old. in 1950 cale bobs hope to make americans safe from stallone in 1972 joe biden hopes to make americans safe from criminals. we have a new crime problem we need new thinking. he won. now the same message is being used against him. >> right. that's right, erin.
as you noted here. he has been in politics long enough to know what it's like to run from, you know, from behind. and be somebody who is a challenger. his challenge is going to be updating his rhetoric and stump speech and projecting a forward looking vision for the future. i know his campaign team is think bag that. he has to go into the debate was new ideas and fresh ideas about the issues that progressives and young people and many many democrats care deeply about. you know, but at the same time joe biden is trying to run a strategy of running in a general election. that is flawed, has flaws. but as a part of that he is keeping his hands -- paws off his other opponents. he is trying to be gentle with them. he is mindful he needs to bring the party together if he is the nominee. >> yet, alice i'm curious in terms of crowds whether they matter or not. politico reported that bide isn't yet to draw anything near the 20,000 people that turned
out for kamala harris or 15,000 for bernie sanders launch campaign, the campaign itself estimated crowd size at his launch at 6,000. some advisers according to the reporting don't worry about it it's because you're the front runner. does crowd size matter? no, enthusiasm matters. hillary clinton had huge crowds and that didn't help her ultimately get the ball across the finish line in the last election. it's it's one thing to have large crowds. but you have to motivate them. i look at joe biden with the abc ds a he needs to articulate policies like he did the green new deal. b he needs to bring together the fractured democrat party. progressive and moderate. c connect with the new face of the democrat party, the young and old and also the d are, the hard marredest is tor disciplined and we'll see how it goes. thank you both. next paul manafort could be transferred to new york's
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new tonight, paul manafort is calling rikers island home. rikers has been home to some of the most notorious criminals in history. >> reporter: part time may get a lot harder for paul manafort. the former trump campaign chairman now convicted criminal can be headed to the rikers island in new york to face state charges. >> that as new york prosecutors get their way. in march, they indicted manafort on 16 charges, including mortgage fraud. >> it's going to be intense. it's going to be frightening for him, i'm sure. >> reporter: stanley richards says manafort is in for an experience he characterizes as depressing. rikers is a far cry from what allies to used to. he is housed at a minimum security prison in western pennsylvania after being
sentenced for tax fraud, bank fraud and foreign lobbying violations. richards now works with a non-profit to help others with reentry into society. >> he won't have movement like he has in the federal system. he won't have his job that he goes to. his work detail. he won't have a work detail here. it's going to be detention. >> rikers houses 17,000 inmates, most are awaiting a trial, past prisoners include the son of sam dividend burkowitz, david lennon's killer and the city-owned facility has been criticized for poor conditions and brutality behind bars. some violence leading to death. >> you either be him the prey or the predator. and it's a choice that you make when you go there. and if you don't want to become a victim, you have to be as aggressive as you can to survive. >> reporter: manafort could spend months locked up in rikers. he would likely be kept
isolated. not as punishment but for protection. it's how the jail typically handles high profile inmates. in 2011, the former head of the international monetary fund was behind bars at rikers after being accused of sexual assault. all charges against him are ultimately dismissed. according to a spokes woman then, his cell was 11 by 13 feet. he had limited outside recreation and did not have contact with any other inmate. manafort apparently doesn't do well under similar conditions. his attorneys say his health deterrible your rated at a facility if virginia. manafort's legal team says they hope he won't have to stay at rikers. a new york judge could allow manafort to stay in pennsylvania or go to a different facility in new york like bellevue hospital or jail manhattan. >> that decision could come as soon as next week. and the timing of those state charges that could bring paul manafort here to rikers was a really calculated.
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rodents at bay. 10 downing street seems to be an animal magnet. watch that fox trot by. larry has become a favorite of the press. cnn's anna stewart once baited her mic with a cat treat. the cat caught his tongue. a mere beseeching glance of the officer on duty was enough to open doors. larry's head rivals -- he and the foreign office feline have had words but only larry has made it into the resignation speech of a prime minister. >> in a way it seems i don't like larry, i do. i have photographic evidence to prove it. sadly, i can't take larry with him. i can't take him to the house. the stars could have him very much as do i. >> larry the cat has his own twitter account after he was photographed parked under president trump's limo. what do you expect e spect me to to sit out in the rain?
it was catnip vying for the perfect caption at number 10 cat to larry for pm. with that photo, larry was catapulted into the stratosphere of feline fame. jenny moos, cnn, new york. >> and anderson starts now. he's being mocked in london with a giants ingreatable todd learn, but is he really more like the boy who cried wolf, john berham here in for anderson. that's the question of the president of the united states and how we view him. have we only become so accust accustomed of his lying about things big and small we risk he might be telling the truth about something big and important. this all came up because the president held a press event today and, yes, he told a number of lies, which is normal for him, yeah, that