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and he says his own people are wrong. >> it's a very, very significant development we are staying on top of this obviously much more on all the breaking developments to our viewers thanks for watching. i'm wolf blitz ner the situation room. erin burnett outfront starts right now. outfront next breaking news a bombshell from president trump homes ago. saying he has no problem getting dirt on his 2020 opponent from foreign adversaries, including russia. plus a house committee holds two trump officials in contempt for failing to turn over documents the president doesn't want anyone to see what's in them and the president's north korea problem. his attempt to clean up astonishing comments raising more questions tonight. let's go outfront. and breaking news stunning words from the president tonight. trump saying moments ago that he would take dirt on his 2020 political opponent if russia, mcor any foreign country offered it he would take the dirt and
not call the fbi. the president just telling abc news he cease absolutely not wrong with that. george stephanopoulos asked whether don junior should have accepted a meeting with russians to get information on hillary clinton, dirt on her. here is what the president said to george moments ago. >> should don have gone to the fbi when he got the email. >> let's put yourself in a position you're a congressman and somebody comes up and says i have information on your opponent. do you call the fbi? i don't think. >> it's copping from the russian i do. >> i've seen a lot in my life i don't think in my whole life i've called the fbi. you don't call the fbi. you throw somebody out of your office. >> al gore got a stolen briefing book he called the fbi. >> that's different this is somebody at a said we have information on your open. oh, let me call the fbi. give me a break. life doesn't work that kay are way. >> the fbi director says that should happen. >> the fbi director is wrong. >> your campaign this time around if russia, china,
foreigners someone else offers information on opponent accept it or call the fbi. >> i think you might do both. you might want to listen. there is nothing wrong with listening. if somebody called, from a country, norway, we have information on your opponent, oh, i think i'd want to hear it. >> you want that kind of interference in our elections sfl. >> it's not interference. they have information. i think i'd take it. if i thought there was something wrong i'd go maybe to the fbi. i if i thought there was something wrong. but we somebody comes up with oppo research they come up with oppo research, oh let's call the fbi. the fbi doesn't have enough agents to take care of it. but you go and talk honestly to congressman they call do it and uls have that's the way it is. it's called oppo research. >> okay. it's a stunning exchange. and as george referred to the fbi director christopher wray let me just remained that you this fbi director is trump's fbi director. he appointed him.
and christopher wray to congress last month was asked whether you should call the fbi if a foreign government or anyone affiliated with one right gives you information on your opponent, christopher wray said, quote my view is that in he public official or memoranda campaign is contacted by any nation state or anybody acting on behalf of a nation state about influencing or interfering with pour election then that's something the fbi would want to know about. well you heard president trump. he says, wray is wrong. abbey phillips joins me live at the white house. abbey this is a stunning statement from the president of the united states. >> reporter: it's stunning erin, particularly us because of how it demonstrated the slide for president trump where he has gone from a place of acknowledging on some level that this was wrong to trying to rationalize it. now, remember, in trump tower meeting that is part of what we are talking about here is something that the president tried to lie about. he said that that meeting was about russian adoptions. and that was partly because the president knew that there would
be a political blowback from acknowledging that that meeting was about getting dirt from russia about hillary clinton. and now here we are two years later and the president is now saying that that was a-ok. and i think that is a demonstration erin of how the president is trying to change public opinion on the matter of whether it's okay to get dirt from a foreign government. and i think it really undermines in a lot of ways the entire mueller investigation. the president is saying it was not interference. the mueller report makes it clear that the russian interference was systematic and sweeping in its nature. that's a quote from the mueller report. it is not something that the mueller report describe as simply opposition research or trying to get dirt on a political opponent. it was interference by a foreign government. and the president is now saying there was absolutely nothing wrong with that. and i should also add, erin, just recall earlier today president trump was talking about in very subject and suggested that his campaign aides had actually rebuffed the russians, and that he pointed to
that as proof that they had actually done the right thing at the time. it's clear, erin they didn't do the right thing at the time then. and he is now saying that they would have no reason to rebuff the russians because getting dirt from the russianens there is nothing wrong with that in the president's view. that's stunning because i think also erin a lot of republicans disagree with that. that question asked to christopher wray asked by a republican lawmaker. it's clear that there is not unanimity on this issue even on the president's side of the political spectrum which makes in all the more stunning for a president of the united states to say in the oval office, no less. >> i mean, incredibly stunning. of course remember the emails were explicit, right. it was russian government. the woman hosted -- ended up at the meetings is admitted informant for the kremlin thank you abbey. ill i want to phillip lack vera. juliette kayyem assist secretary as the department of homeland security and mark preston cnn
senior political analyst. juliette let me start with you. >> yeah. >> it's a pretty stunning thing what we heard here. i don't even know where to give the exact quote. but perhaps this one, in my whole life i've never called the fbi. you don't call the fbi. >> right. that's the businessman donald trump which you can ask yourself why did he never call the fbi if he saw something illegal showing that he has never mavd into the commander in chief and the person the constitution expects to protect the united states democratic system. so i'm kind of over shock at this stage. in other words, this has been -- this has been hinted at for a long time by the trump people. first defying the meetings then the meetings were adoptions. then they said the meetings didn't matter and then they said well, they mattered but not that much. and now they're the meetings are totally fine. let's have future meetings. they've been laying this out, quickly to think about it both in terms of offense and defense. offense is this is a welcome
mat. it's a come hittinger, not just for the russians baier but for the chinese and not just for kienz but for every republican uning that he wants to win in the house or snt. on the defense side this may be related to concerns donald trump has about some of the pending cases and what they are going to show about his family's collusion -- i'm fws to use the word with the russians. that's how i sort of would interpret this not surprising but still shocking series of events today. >> phillip, what's your reaction, the president of the united states just said in the oval office that he wouldn't necessarily call the fbi if approached by a foreign government. in fact he said i would want to hear it, i'd take the information. i'd listen. what's your reaction? >> well, it's another example of the president being politically tone deaf because he is obviously in conflict with his own fbi director. but i think a key point can't be
overlooked here which is that what chris wray was saying as the fbi director is what a decent, honorable citizen should do. but the mueller report concluded that it was not currently a criminal violation for the trump campaign to engage in all of the collusion that juliette just mentioned. there was a lot of collusion with the russians efforts to engage in our electoral process. but under the current laws there is nothing illegal about it. what donald trump is essentially saying is if we can get away with it we'll do it regardless of whether or not it's the decent thing for people to do if any care about american democracy. >> well, i mean, mark, i guess that's what's so stunning about it. but let me just play again, wray, because i was -- this was another example of trump breaking with the intelligence agencies christopher anyis his fifb director, asked this
question what would you do? abhere is he said. let me play him saying i quoted hildeman a moment ago but let's hear from him. >> my view is that if any public official or member of any campaign is contacted by any nation state or anybody acting on behalf of a nation state about influencing or interfering with our election then that's something the fisher would want to know about. >> george asked him about it, mark and he expressly said he is wrong about his own fbi director. okay what does chris wray do now? this is a big moment. >> well it's a big moment but i would put if in the category of a lot of big moments. i'm not sure we'll see anything from christopher wray. we haven't seen anything very much from a lot of cabinet members or from republicans who disagree with what donald trump said. we have seen james mattis the defense secretary who had enough and left. he stood on his principle and left his position. but i don't think we see any
outcry from republicans. we are no the seeing christopher wray say anything. i think he is pretty much going to be quiet and keep his head down. i think what's important too we are looking at this as donald trump saying this. but we have to look at the greater picture of this, erin. this is donald trump saying this inside the oval office sitting at the rest will you tell desk saying it's okay to get this information. the optics of in are terrible. and really i wonder what the long-term consequences will be for people to think it's okay with when it's clearly not. >> phillip, what are the legal issues here? i mean, you point out obviously in the mueller report lots of collusion but for the rising to the level of a criminal conspiracy, right which would be prosecutable. however, when a president says i could be offered information by the russians or the chinese or anyone else and i would take that call and wouldn't necessarily cull the fbi, just to be clear that against the law or not against the law? or does it depend on the information? >> well, when they were trying
to sort out some basis for a criminal case in connection with the famous trump tower meeting, they were identifying the statutes that prohibits foreign nationals or foreign governments from participating directly in presidential campaigns. they're not permitted for example to give cash contributions. and so the issue was was in so-called opposition research that the trump campaign wanted to get something of value that would violate that statute? and the simple answer is that it's not clear whether mere information, even if it's dirt on your opponent designed to influence the election vitamins the existing criminal statute which is why it seems to many of us that this is something that congress ought to be addressing quickly. >> and we are going to be talking to a couple of people from congress in a if few moments to see what it does to the impeachment conversation. juliette, though, when bob mueller spoke, right, he spoke to an audience of one about what
happened, right. >> yes. >> about what mattered so much and what should matter to every american about what happened here. and here is how he closed his comments. >> i will close by reiterating the central ails of our indictments that there were multiple systematic efforts to interfere in our election. and that allegation deserves the attention of every american. >> and yet, juliette, one american, the most powerful american tonight just said, i'd do it again. >> that's absolutely right. remember the last line of the mueller report is of course no one is above the law. sometimes people forget how the mueller report ends. what's important is mueller is focusing us on volume one, right. we tend to get focused on volume two which is obstruction of justice we can see it and were familiar with it. volume one is the key to what in
fact was so fundamentally and existentially wrong with what the trump campaign did. and i just want to say one more thing. this is a challenge not just for democrats and republicans and impeachment. this is also a challenge for us in the media analysts, reporters whatever else. how will we interpret, use, analyze information known to be given to a campaign by a foreign entity, stolen in wikileaks sharz on other cases. let me put it this which. it's not norway. it's not norway it's russia or china. it's time for us to think about how will we use the information, report and analyze that information, because we can't -- we can't validate it or give it approval. >> so, mark, what do you make of the fact that he answered the questions in this way in obviously this is what he really thinks. he is being casual and answering it. but, he know what is he is saying. all right. he means what he says and says what he means. we'll talk about that later in the show.
he didn't say all of this not knowing the repercussions. he knows perfectly well he is giving the bird to the entire russia investigation. >> right. and because there are no repercussions at this point. everything donald trump says and does as you say is very cattled. people say he is dumb. he is not. he is extremely smart. quite frankly he knows how to manipulate the news media. he has done a very good job. that is in part to a skill and also in part because of his position. he is the most powerful man in the wrl. of course he is drawing attention. as he is saying this, erin -- do you see when he was challenged by george stephanopoulos about christopher wray's comments he said well he is wrong. he was angry to be challenged at that point. let me tell you what he is going on right now. the department of homeland security is working to make sure state election foeshlgs are up to speed. we also know the fbi is briefing the democratic presidential campaign and they are briefing the republican national committee as well. donald trump is saying he is taking the oppo research working
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country offered him and he would not necessarily tell the fbi. >> your campaign this time around, if foreigners russia, china, someone else offers you information on opponent should they accept it or call the fbi. >> i think maybe you do both. i think you might want to listen. there is nothing wrong with listening. if somebody called from a country, norway, we have information on your opponent, oh, i think i'd want to hear it. >> you want that kind of interference in our elections. >> it's not an interference. they have information. i think i'd take it. if i thought there was something wrong i'd go playbook to the fbi. fy thought there was something wrong. but when somebody comes up with oppo research, right they come up with oppo research. oh let's call the fbi. the fifb doesn't have enough agents to take care of it. but you go and talk honestly to congressman any all do it always have. and that's the way it is. it's called oppo research. >> the former cia director john brennan weighing in saying quote this is just the latest example
what have vice president biding innent when he said that mr. trump and his compensation threat to our country unfit to be president is a gross understatement. outfront now democratic congresswoman brenda lawrence from the oversight committee what's your reaction to what the president just said that he would accept dirt from foreign governments and not necessarily call the fbi. adding by the way he has never called the fbi. >> in is clearly -- if anyone is asleep, if anyone hasn't been paying attention to a president of the united states that has no respect for our democracy, has no respect for the checks and balances, and clearly has no understanding of his role of president of the united states, in is clear, he didn't stutter. he said, the fbi probably wouldn't understand it. and he made the allegation that members of congress do this all
the time. now op zbliegs what do you make of that. >> opposition research is when gou on gogel and you go on -- and read newspaper clips and find out where individuals you're running from -- where they stand. we don't go to outside countries and ask them to provide information. there is actually agencies in the united states that -- that you do research so you know how to run against your opponent. what this man is talking about -- and he is the president of the united states -- is how he can violate the rules and policies of our country by prohibiting outside foreign entities to interfere with our democracy. it is -- did it is past said. it's past frustration. this is criminal. this is criminal. and we need to hold this president accountable. you know, we've been talking about impeachment.
few people understand that if we impeach him -- appear i feel we should begin that process -- if we impeach him he still is sitting in the bhous because the senate has to act. i don't know what's happening to nigh colleagues on the other side of the aisle who continuously put their head in the sand? this is -- this issue, our country, the citizens, our democracy, is bigger than donald trump. and we need to act -- i mean, that should be scary. that should frighten people. and we need to do our job. i sit on oversight. >> yes. >> and we went through six hours of hearing today where the other side, my opponent -- colleagues on the other side were obstructing and stalling, saying that a joint bipartisan request subpoena for documents that the president is now saying under
executive order -- executive privilege, you don't have to give anything to congress -- any didn't say to the democrats. >> right. >> because the republicans signed on too. he said you do not have to give it to congress. wake up. >> so let me ask -- i want to ask you about that in a moment. but first what he said when he specifically was asked about how christopher wray i would hope ---en a he almost said it with a isn't that correct and sneer. i don't mean it nestingly but he was -- christopher wray was saying of course you should call the fbi. it's so obvious i would hope any american citizen would call us. he was say going with a bit of attitude because it seems obvious. the man who appointed him as director of the fbi said he is wrong and he said so tersely and kurtly. and clearly with anger. so what now for christopher wray. >> well he can be part of the revolving door that we see in the white house where people are appointed with the understanding or the expectation from the
president of the united states that you do what i tell you to do. your oath of office or job description to the people of the united states is not why you are here. you are here to do what i want and what i want you to do. so his days may be short now. we'll be looking for a new person. >> so you mentioned today the vote for contempt. and you did vote to hold the attorney general bill barr and the customers commerce secretary wilbur ross in contempt. >> yes. >> do you expect congresswoman, the full house will act on this. >> yes. >> or do you thinks in a moment where you can come to agreement with the administration on those documents? >> so one of the things the public needs to be very clear on -- because the comment that we're rushing it -- we started this investigation over a year ago. and six weeks ago -- nine weeks ago a joint -- i want to make it clear, the republicans signed the subpoena along with the democrats from the oversight committee demanding and
requesting subpoena the documents for us to do a complete investigation. and the president has interfered saying that he at this point is doing executive privilege, and directing the administration not to give any papers to congress. we are going to bring this to a floor for a vote. we even -- the -- our chair cummings actually called and tried to work out an agreement. they refused to talk to the chair. and so we are at the point where we are going to do our job and use every tool that we have. and the president of the united states, donald trump, needs to understand as he travels all over the world and he sees kings and queens and the individuals who are -- who are exactly in charge of everything that happens, he has a democracy. it's checks and balances. and he is not the king of the united states of america.
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breaking news, president trump contradicting his hand picked fbi director on whether the fbi should be notified if a foreign country such as russia calls with political dirt in a campaign. trump making the comments as he once again defended his son don juny for taking the meeting with russians connected with the government one of whom was an informant for the russian government. and here is what president trump just said. >> somebody comes up and says, hey, i have information on your opponent. do you call the fbi? i don't think. >> if it's come from russia do you. >> i've seen a lot of things over my life. i don't think in my whole life i've called the fbi, in my whole life. you don't call the fbi you throw somebody out of your office.
>> al gore got a stolen briefing book he called the fbi. >> that's different. a stolen briefing book. this is somebody saying we have information on your opponent. let me call the fbi. give me a break. >> and he continued when george stephanopoulos followed up and said christopher wray that's what you should do yb your fbi director. >>en at president said well he is wrong. he is wrng of his own fbi director. here is what director wray said. >> my view is that if any public official or mental of any campaign is contacted by any nation state or anybody acting on behalf of a nation state about influencing or interfering with our election then that's something that the fbi would want to know about. >> as i said he always says it with the smile because it's so blatantly obvious. well you heard the president. the president said, quote, the fbi director is wrong. evan perez is outfront. evan was this is pretty incredible. it's an incredible moment overall and incredible moment
certainly for the president and the hand picked fbi director. what does wray do is there any response from the fbi. >> right it's a very tough thing for the fbi director, right? the idea of him getting into essentially an argument with the president of the united states -- there is nothing to be gained from that. we called the fbi. the fbi is officially not commenting on this, erin. but but i can at the tell you one of the things the fbi is doing trying to make the russians a be chinese or iranians do not interfere in the 2020 elections. one of the things that the mueller report told us was that, you know, we know that accepting a thing of value from a foreign country, from a foreign power is against campaign finance law. so the one issue now that has been crossed is they know this. the mueller report established this. so if anyone, the trump campaign or any other campaign accepts something of value from a foreign power they've been warned and the fbi will be
enforcing the law. so i think -- >> just to be clear evan something of value does not need to be something -- well it could be information, right that's the point. >> it could be information, exactly. because in this case you have information that is being used to help one campaign and hurt another. and so, look, i think it's very clear that come 2020, if this campaign or any other campaign accepts something of value from a foreign power they will be getting the fbi calling on them and they're going to have a legal problem. so the president may feel that he is okay with this. pink the fbi has other ideas. and so does the justice department. >> thank you very much evan. so let's go for you to the chairman of the house intelligence committee, democratic congressman adam schiff. congressman, your absenting to the exchange you saw with the president and george stephanopoulos where the president says he would take the call and take the information, probably wouldn't call the fbi, and his fbi director is wrong in
saying he should. >> well, my reaction is much the way it is often these days which is stunning on the one hand and not at all pricing on the other. donald trump has made it clear that he will engage in any action, no matter how unethical or unpatriotic, this he will go up to the line of what's legal and indeed he looks like he crossed that line many times. so, no, on the heels of rudy giuliani saying that, you know, he was off to ukraine to see if he could get that foreign power to investigate a family member of one of the president's political rivals, on the heels of jared kushner refusing to rule out getting foreign help or whether he would call the fbi, it's not surprising. but it's stunning and does tell us we're going to have to legislate. one of the conclusions mueller was for the able to reach, one of the elements of the conspiracy he wasn't able to prove were with respect to jared kushner and the others getting dirt from the russians was that that dirt getting -- getting dirt in that context was something of value that should
have been reported. we're going to have to legislate that. we yes you have to report foreign contacts and when you receive foreign help like it's a campaign contribution. >> evan is pointing out, mueller says it's a thing of value. you're putting forward that that should be a law so it would be clear what was laid out in the mueller report was indeed a criminal violation. >> i think it's going to be absolutely necessary both to require disclosure of those kind of foreign contacts, particularly with a hostile foreign power but also making it clear in terms of campaign law that if you get opposition research from a foreign government that that is something of value that needs to be reported. to deter the kind of unethical unpatriotic conduct the president engaged in the last campaign and completely willing to do all over again. he learned nothing. >> to be clear when george said al gore got the stolen briefing being book and report to do. >> the president said this is different.
this was just information. so he is basically saying well the information that we could have thought could have gone into a briefing book would have thought would have been that quality it's different because it wasn't already in the book? that's the argument he is making. >> you know, the fact is this was stolen too. this was data stolen from the clinton campaign. so whether it's a briefing book or stolen threw a cyber-attack, that makes no difference what so far. the president he is a argument doesn't hold up. when is more, not only christopher wray disagree was him, we had a hearing just today with fbith as of former assistant assist u.s. attorney. chosen public witness of the fox news contributor he said they should have called the fbi. anyone getting an overture by a foreign power during a presidential campaign should call the fbi. >> i saw that. and i wonder what this means for christopher wray. who no doubt wants to do, you know, the right thing and try to keep stability and calm at the fbi. what's he supposed to do right
now? does he just sit there and tri to ignore it and hope that this goes away? >> well, i think that he is managing to walk the fine line very carefully of staying out of the public, you know, line of sight when he is differing with the president, unless it's absolutely necessary when he is asked a direct question like he was gifting a direct answer whether the president likes it or not. but he does everything he can to avoid putting himself in the position of getting into a brawl with the president because he views his mission as looking ar the men and women at the bureau, making sure the mission of the bureau gets done, and avoiding unnecessary friction with the white house. >> where the president is going to try to take a leg to stand on on in is to say this was opposition reern if i could have gotten it from anyone i happened to get it from a hostile foreign pow and, oh, you guys you karm do it all the time. here is what he said. >> you go and talk honestly to congressman they all do it always have. and that's the way it is.
it's called oppo research. >> what's your response to that. >> that's pure non-sense. in fact this point came up in the committee today when one much our members pointed out that not a single member of the house of representatives goes either soliciting foreign assistance in their campaign or i think if it were offered to them would go and not report it. i sure as heck hope that all my colleagues would do that. the president is completely out of line. but this is typical for donald trump which is he projects on others his own lack of morality. if he wouldn't call the fbi he assumes no one would. if he is deceptive about something. he assumes everyone is. if he is willing to do the unpatriotic thing and g to a foehner power for help he assumes everyone will. but that's not the case pan god help us if it ever becomes that way >> chairman schiff thank you >> thank you. >> and next, trump bragging
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spy on north korea, kim jong un's half brother. here is what he said. >> no, it's not what i meant. it's what i said. and that's -- i think it's different than maybe your interpretation. >> so trump said he didn't mean what h said. so let's be clear on what he said. trump was asked about north korea. and he brought up a "wall street journal" report that said kim jong un killed his half brother after finding out he was a cia asset. here is how trump put it. >> i saw the information about the cia with respect to his brother or half brother. and i would tell him that would not happen under my -- under my auspices. that's for sure. i wouldn't let that happen under my auspices. >> kim jong nam would have been one of the most valuable assets with inside knowledge about the rogue hermit goem or anyone in the kim family, a regime where any intelligence is important
for the world and the united states process. kim jong un put out videos showing the white house in flames. tested nuclear mitchells which can strike the continental united states and strike as far east as chicago. when president trump brought up the report saying kim jong un was pennsylvania cia asset and said that wouldn't happen under his wind chill process. the the world took notice including the frrm head of the cia. >> he has no appreciation for the importance of the intelligence profession and the work that intelligence professionals do around the globe to include going pout and trying to recruit individuals to provide us the insights we need to keep our country strong and safe. >> words matter. when it comes to north korea, trump means what he says. as he said himself. of course he did. back in 2017 when he was threatening kim's regime. >> i hope that they are going to fully understand the gravity of what i said and what i said is what i mean. hopefully they'll understand, peter, exactly what i said and the meaning of those words. those words are very, very easy
to understand. >> except for when they're not. so if trump says he said what he said but it wasn't what he meant this time, then what did he mean? outfront in and out anna fiefld, beijing bureau chief on the author of the book the great success are where he broke the news about kim jong nam a cia informant. and bob baer. you get it. but today, no. he doesn't. he said what he said but doesn't mean it. he was given the opportunity to clarify then okay what did you mean? but he didn't. what do you make of this? >> well, i look at it from the perspective of the central intelligence agency. and this president is so volatile and it's unclear whose side he is on, whether north korea or washington's side. you know, it's like don't spy on north korea. it's sort of like roosevelt handing an order down don't spy on japan before pearl harbor.
it's fantastic. he is siding with the adversary and that's a message that's going down the ranks just as it's gone down the ranks of the fbi, don't spy on the russians bus you'll end up losing your job and your pension. >> anna, i mean when kim jong un hears this, what does he think? i mean, this has to be a fwift to him. i mean, there is so little human intelligence about north korea. the cia calls it the hardest of all the hard targets. if it's true as are the reported that kim jong nam was in fact an informant for the cia there would be a huge boon for the intelligence community in america. but i think what kim jong un has been very acidously doing is he has been studying donald trump very carefully. the north koreans read the art of the deal. read fire and fury and trumps tweets. they are very adept at reading him and knowing what he wants to
hear. we have seen this repeatedly with the kinds of words that kim jong un has been saying to president trump and now president trump's returning the favor. >> i mean it's incredible when you say there is confusion about what side the president of the united states is on. we are talking about north korea. i mean, bob, this -- dsh there is a letter. anna has insight on this as well because she knows so much about kim has been studying trump. pu there was a new letter trump brought up in all of this when he said he dsh desh wouldn't do this cia asset thing. he said it was a beautiful letter. and he got a letter on the one year anniversary of their first summit. here is what trump said. >> he just wrote knee a very nice letter. unexpected. and some day you'll see what was in that letter. some day you'll be reading about it maybe a hundred years from now maybe in two weeks. who knows but it was a very nice letter, very warm, very nice
remember. i appreciated it. okay. >> a hundred year or two weeks like the taxes, bob. let me ask you one thing that we are reporting now we do know when he says the letter was so important, we have a source familiar with the contents of the letter which said that the letter did not include anything of substance. no details on the deal no details on ideas for a deal. no details on anything, just plat i attitudes and warmth. what does that tell you? >> you know what it reminds me i hate to bring of history it reminds me of chamberlin at mupic when he made an agreement with adoll of hit letter who invaded poland. this is incredible. i've got to say we are bordering on treason with russia and north korea. and you know, this guy really has got to be impeached and out of office now. because i'm not sure whose side he is on. >> which i mean i think it's an incredible thing to say that somebody would not be sure of that. anna when it comes to the letter he says it's beautiful and important as i said. the reporting we have shows that's not the case.
it may be beautiful but nothing of substance pu pu. you writ in your books gnat korean language has left of politeness. and kim was specific to use language he knew would be appreciated by the american president. >>s in all calculated. and kim jong un has shown himself to be skillful and savvy knowing which buttons to push for president trump. he was flattering using formal and deferential language during the summit. making sure to play the junior partner there because he knows trump responds well to this. and it can lead to a situation where trump is declaring a major victory, you know, we won't have to worry about nuclear weapons anymore when kim jong un has not agreed to anything. it's all style and doesn't have to give up any substance. >> any substance at all. and yet here we are. thank you both very much. and i want to get back to our breaking news tonight. the president of the united
states telling george stephanopoulos this. >> your campaign this time around if foreigners russia, china, someone else offers you negatives upon opponent should they except accept it or call the ib. >> i think make you do both. you might want to listen. there is nong nothing wrong with listening. if somebody called from a country norway, we have information on your opponent, oh, i think i'd want to hear it. >> you want that kind of perseverance in our i think i'd take it, if i thought there was something wrong i would go to the fbi, if i thought there was something wrong. >> he's continued to say he's never called the fbi. give me a break. and trump's 2020 rivals are weighing in. elizabeth warren, they made it clear the 2018 elections, and trump obstructed the investigation. now he says he'd do it all over again. it's time to impeach donald trump. governor steve bullock tweeting 1-800-call-fbi. i want to bring in the former
fbi special agent josh campbell and he's worked for james comby and bob mueller. josh, i want to be clear here, one of the most important moment, right, was when george stephanopoulos said christopher wray, your fbi director, your fbi director said this would be wrong, that you should call the fbi and trump tersely, kurtcurt said he's wrong. so far director wray has not responded. can he stay quiet on this? >> i don't think so. what we've seen here is the president of the united states undercut the director of the fbi. i would disagree that the president's fbi. it's the country's fbi although appointed by the important data point, but what the president is essentially saying to the american people and to the men and women of the fbi is that i don't believe you. i don't trust you, and when you come out and say something through your leadership, i'm going to go in a different direction. if you're the director of the fbi right now you have a couple
of different options and you can speak out and ensure that you'll take the issues seriously and you'll investigate any malfeasance or lawbreaking that may happen in the horizon or you can resign and two different elements that you want to reach there. is there something that's so egregious and you have to have that honest conversation and can i stay in this position and that you no longer think that you're effective and as it relates to this job and this administration. this sure seems like one of those issues that checks both of those boxes. so if you're the director of the fbi you have to have that conversation with yourself and try to figure out what are you going to do and are you going to speak out or what's next for you. >> right. there is a crucial question for christopher wray because his boss has undercut him and said he's wrong about something that christopher wray says is a black and white simple issue. they don't agree on perhaps one of the most important things and yet, what would be the implication if christopher wray would stand up to say i can't take this anymore and leave even
if he did it jim mattis style, would that be more disruptive than not? sometimes you have to be a disruptor. sometimes it comes to public confidence in the fbi and these institutions. if they stay quiet when the president of the united states says i will continue to accept information from a foreign government ea government even if it goes against state law, and erin, as i heard this today this is one of the most troubling things we've heard from the president because it's not just about things talking about the things from the past in defending himself from actions and allegations and it's looking forward and him telling the american people what he's going to do if faced with another situation, possible lawbreaking accepting information from a foreign government. >> he's trying to change the form, right? to say, oh, it's normal and people thank. he's trying to change the norm to say something that's not okay, is okay. >> that he was going to do
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tonight, a sticky situation came between trump and the president of poland. here's jeannie. >> as the cameraman checked his focus, a mysterious glint, something special awaiting president trump and the leader of poland. ♪ itsy-bitsy spider went up the water spout ♪ >> but this spider went up the presidential podium judging by the single strand of a web. the spider web is literally going from mike to mike lol. the mighty strand managed to survive president trump adjusting his microphone. the president was unaware. >> are honored to welcome president duda. >> and an uninvited dude had left his mark. >> we first became aware of the web via the web when a self-proclaimed media nerd tweeted, okay, jeannie moos, whatever you're working on for tonight, stop. now you'll be reporting on the rose garden spider web, and we
are. the strand survived multiple handshakes, perhaps symbolizing an arachnid warning not to waiver from the truth at this press conference. oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive. the strand barely escaped some of president trump's gestures. >> okay, this wasn't quite as dramatic. >> get out of here. >> as when president obama nailed a fly. >> nice. >> when a fly landed on then-candidate trump's hair. >> even walls won't keep out pesky bugs. at the rose garden event it was as if a spider had written the president's remarks describing that web. >> the enduring ties of civilization, the unbreakable bonds. >> but the bond was broken almost half an hour into the presser. >> let's see, who do i like? nobody, that's the end. >> his outstretched pointer was
the end for the spider web that snagged the president. should have vacuumed the podium instead of the red carpet. you can put your shoes back on. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. that was one speedy spider, right? thanks for joining us, anderson starts now. good evening. the president of the united states says if a foreign government came offering election help this time around, and i'm quoting, i think i'd want to hear it. he said. in other words, the central point of the mueller report a foreign adversary including russia seeking to influence american democracy, the man who took an oath to defend it says he's okay with that, and says his fbi director thinks otherwise is wrong. and vladimir putin's help, fine by him, apparently. he says it's done all of the time, just normal opposition research says president trump. history says otherwise. it is not done all of the time or some of the time. it is not normal and as all of this comes at the end of the day full of other breaking news