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of status jeans. >> i think my mom is a lot more interesting than the person people think she is. you know, she's got this public face. but the reality of her life is so different than what the public face is. >> a remarkable life. the news continues. so i'll hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." chris. >> all right. thank you, j.b. our hearts go to anderson on the loss of his mother, gloria vanderbilt, tonight. no question. if any of you out there, if you've lost a parent or a loved one, you know there's really little anyone can say to you that's going to blunt the pain. but you know, anderson showed his special gift. he used his skills as a reporter to do that documentary that's on hbo. you've got to watch it if you get a chance. because yes, you're going to learn a lot about a great lady who learned 9 0 -- lived 95 years. but you're going to learn about him too, the son who she loved so deeply and who returned that
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love. she gave him his giggle and a depth of feeling that is unique to him and her. gloria vanderbilt died at home, and her son was there. that's how she wanted. my mother's a contemporary of gloria's, and the two were friendly. my mother told me that she had seen gloria experience tremendous highs and lows in life and that she was one of the truly great ladies, that gloria vanderbilt was just more interesting than most people. and that she really deeply loved her son. so do we. and we're thinking of him tonight. all right. i am chris cuomo. welcome to "prime time." the president said reports about internal polls were fake news. he lied. the internal poll numbers were leaked from his campaign. they show him trailing joe biden by double digits in key swing states. we have biden's national co-chair here tonight. what does he think of the news? what does he think about elizabeth warren's move in their
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polls? and biden's claim that he can shame republicans into working with him if he becomes president. is that true? did intel and pentagon officials really keep our president in the dark on things because they were worried about him blabbing to putin or kim? the answers matter. let's get after it. all right. sought president is going to start his re-election campaign tomorrow in the battleground state of florida. now, his own polling data shows him trailing bigly behind biden there. again, he said the polls are incorrect, don't listen, it's fake news. these were his polls from his own campaign. his reaction? fire the pollsters. the veep wasn't far from the president in washington today, where he pushed back on those carping at him for insisting he'll be able to cut deals with the other side if he's
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president. >> the fact of the matter is if we can't get a consensus nothing happens except the abuse of power by the executive. zero. if you start off with the notion there's nothing you can do, well, well, then why don't you all go home, then? you can shame people to do things the right way. >> shame in his game. his national co-chair is here, who also happens to be a beltway big wig. louisiana congressman cedric richmond. good to have you, congressman. >> thanks for having me, chris. >> let's start, talk about all of you before he with get to biden. how deep is the reality in your party that people don't even want to hear about biden saying he could cut deals with the other side? >> well, i think part of that is just people making so many promises that are just unrealistic. we can't get universal health care. we can't restore the voting rights act. we can't do all of those things that are important to democrats without picking up votes in the senate. so we can either go win this
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election psycycle and take backe senate, but we still wouldn't get to the 60-vote threshold. or when we take back the white house and we continue to have the house and if we don't have the senate we have to get votes in the senate. you can do it by shaming them or you can do it by creating a big presence in their state to where they have to work with the other side. so for example, if vice president biden won texas, north carolina, and all these other states that are showing he's winning, if you're the republican senator from that state you now have a reason to work with the vice president to accomplish a lot of the things we're trying to accomplish now. everything we pass in the house is dying in mitch mcconnell's graveyard in the senate. i think that's the best example of why it's going to take working across the aisle or wing the senate in order to do something. >> let's test that rationale because you could say this president won a lot of states where you have democrats in power and they're not working with him.
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and the idea that biden could win a state like yours in louisiana or as he said north and south carolina, georgia, maybe texas. i mean, other than obama you guys don't win those states anymore. i mean, is he promising something that he can't achieve? >> no. he's four or five points up in texas right now. bill clinton won my home state of louisiana twice. i think it's something the polls are showing he can do. i think that's part of president trump's fear right now and his lashing out is because the polls show exactly what the vice president has been articulating is his message is resonating and he can win states that democrats normally have not competed in. >> are you worried that the initial poll pop is joe biden representing the reaction formation to this president and as the primary goes on people are starting to catch him because it's not just name recognition right now and there are others in the field that will tap into that sense of outrage about this president
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wanting to fight against him more than joe biden, like an elizabeth warren, maybe a buttigieg? >> no, actually i'm not. i think as the campaign goes on people will see joe biden for who he is, and that's someone who always pushed the envelope. even if we go backwards and look at whether it was the violence against women act, whether it was the climate change bill back in the '80s, or whether it was his push for marriage equality. before it became popular. he's always pushed the envelope. and i think as people see that and he rolls out his policies i think we'll continue to grow. >> impeachment. that seems to be the main focus of -- i know everyone says they can wa walk and chew gum at the same time. i see people trying to walk, trying to chew gum, getting confused and falling down a flight of stairs. i think congress in general right now. but does he have to put something in the sand right now
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and then do the rest of you have to make a decision sooner rather than later or do you subscribe, congressman, to this idea that the way we're doing it is the right way, we're methodically getting where we need to be and then we'll see what the country really wants? do you believe in the magic of that methodology? >> well, i think that part of what you have to do is convince the public that the path you're going down is the right one. but more importantly you have to protect and defend the constitution. it's not about this president. it's about presidents to come. so i'm a team player and the play that the coach decides to call, i'm more than willing to play. but if you're asking me if trump concerns me, do i think he's obstructed justice, the answer is yes. >> here's the thing i don't get -- >> i believe -- >> i hear you about that. you're a man of integrity. you've always been straight with me about your answers. i respect that on this show. i'm not saying you that guys should try to impeach the president. i'm just saying that so many of you keep saying what you just
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said, you know, we think he arguably committed crimes, we think he abused his power, we think he obstructed justice. well, if that's what you think, the constitution lays out what your job is, and it's called an impeachment inquiry. that's how the house gathers the facts and then you give it to the senate and see what happens with their trial. i don't get how what's happening right now is, you know, the right reaction given what you guys are saying you believe. >> well, look, i'm certainly publicly already on the record saying i'm for an impeachment inquiry. >> yes. >> however, the steps that chairman nadler is taking are in the right direction and it's moving us toward a fact-finding mission, which i believe at the end of the day will lead us to the inevitable, which is an impeachment inquiry -- >> but that's what an impeachment inquiry is. and i see biden doing the same thing. let's see, let's see. you know, nancy pelosi's saying that. and that's fine. she's the speaker. she's got to figure out how to
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manage expectations. the majority of your caucus hasn't come out that way. you know, you're still not even at a third yet of the caucusing that you want to go that way. but biden wants to lead all of us. he wants to be the leader of this country. doesn't he have to be clear about what he thinks the stakes are and what the right thing to do is right now? >> well, i think he's very clear that president trump is an existential threat to the future of the united states. but what i think that we're headed towards is there are a whole bunch of people the president cannot claim executive privilege for that we can call before congress and we can hear from. we have witnesses that we're going to continue to interview in the next coming weeks. and i think that is part of our constitutional duty also. so whether it's under the banner of, quote unquote, impeachment inquiry or whether it's hearings and interviews that we're conducting i think it's all the same as of right now until it's time to ultimately impeach and
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send it over to the senate, which by the way we know what happens when it gets over there. >> well in all likelihood. but you'd have to have the trial. you were talking about shame earlier on. they'll be on the r0rd with whatever has developed and however they decide to vote on it. i think the word impeachment is spooking too many people in the party, that they think it carries weight. all your job is is so lay out the facts. you don't even have to come up with articles of impeachment under the constitution. you just have to do that process. congressman, you don't have to do this show, but you choose to, and i appreciate it. and i appreciate you giving this information and these arguments to my audience. thank you. >> thank you for having me, chris. >> all right. be well. the president said in an interview with abc news he likes the truth. well, then why did he abuse it so much in that interview? how much, you ask? interesting question. a man who makes a living out of fact checking this president, one of the newest members of the cnn family, he's got a list for you. our fact check next. hello, brother. ace with a lot of behinds. so i know there's a big need
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investigation. take a listen. >> the camp -- trump campaign rebuffed them. now, anything having to do with russia had nothing to do with our campaign. >> mueller comes out, there's no collusion, and essentially a ruling that no obstruction. and they keep going with it. the report said no collusion. >> daniel dale, verdict. >> this is like a triple whammy of wrongness. it's hard to know where to begin. so let's go one by one. trump's claim that we had nothing to do with russia on this campaign is simply not borne out by the facts. mueller documented what he said were, quote, numerous links between individuals associated with trump and the campaign and individuals associated with the russian government and those include michael cohen, who was trying to arrange a business deal in moscow for the then candidate trump. we have paul manafort and rick gates, campaign chairman and deputy chairman sharing internal polling data with a russian ukrainian businessman -- >> his son taking a meeting that was promised to him as getting dirt from the russians. >> the trump tower meeting. >> very interesting.
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nowhere in the mueller report does it say there was no collusion. he doesn't even consider collusion. it's not a crime. it was a behavior. and if you look at it as a category behavior they had plenty of collusive behaviors like the ones you're outlining right now. >> sure. and mueller went out of his way to say look, we were not examining the issue of collusion, that is not a crime, that is not a legal term, what we were looking at was the issue of a criminal conspiracy. i think it's obviously fair for trump to say mueller did not find evidence of a criminal conspiracy. but mueller explicitly said look, we're not rendering a judgment on the issue of collusion itself. >> but rebuffed. they did the opposite of rebuffing. they sought it out. even in the mueller report they say they expected to benefit from it and that's what was driving their efforts. all right. second topic, daniel. the president bragging about north korea and what they are doing for the united states. take a listen. >> we've gotten our hostages back. we've gotten the remains. and they continue to come back. the remains of our great heroes from the past. >> this is a very sensitive
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subject for these families and for americans, to be frank. what is the reality? >> the reality is that the remains do not continue to come back. last july north korea handed over 55 boxes of potential remains of u.s. service members. but we know that this effort does not continue because the u.s. military told us that last month in may. the pentagon came out with a statement that said north korea had ceased cooperating in this effort after the failed summit between trump and kim in hanoi. so yes, it has happened, at least a little bit, but it does not continue to happen. >> this is one of those situations where for this president the truth is good enough. there's no reason to exaggerate the truth. the fact that he got remains back is something we hadn't seen. and it matters. but he has to exaggerate it nonetheless. and then another one. this is a bonus category for you. a quick aside. the president talking about his own truth telling. >> i like the truth. i'm actually a very honest guy. >> anyone who has to tell you
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that, always be suspicious. >> yeah, i mean, chris, what do you even say at this point? i've counted more than 5300 false claims from trump as president, hundreds more before he became president. it was three per day in 2017. it was over eight per day in 2018. he's now averaging six false claims per day as president. he's told individual false claims more than 100 times in some cases. so you just -- you know, you throw up your hands and you laugh or you cry. >> how long would the nose be on pinocchio if he was at the same right? what kind of giant sequioa would he have on that wooden head of his? daniel dale, welcome to the family, you have a robust existence in the full employment plan for fact checkers, that is, the trump administration. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> welcome, brother. all right. joe biden, now, you've got to keep them honest on both sides, right? as anderson would say. he is the democrat who he says he can win broad swaths of the deep red south. what is the case for that claim? the great debate is based on it. next.
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intentions today. take a listen. >> i plan on campaigning in the south. i plan if i'm the new nominee winning georgia, north carolina, south carolina, believe it or not, and i believe we can win texas and florida. if you look at the polling data now. it's a marathon. it's a long way off. >> you've got to be optimistic. you've got to have hope. otherwise, why are you in the race? but let's just put some facts out there when it comes to the deep red south. no democrat has won georgia since clinton in '92. other than obama's win in 2008, north carolina has solidly chosen republicans since 1980. no democrats have carried south carolina or texas since president carter in '76. and while president obama won florida in both elections, trump flipped it in 2016 and handily. so can biden deliver? the start of tonightion great debate, ana navarro, scott jennings. ana, do you buy the claim? >> whether i buy it or not i don't think matters.
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look, i think it's what he needs to say. i think it's what he needs to shoot for. if anything, 2016 should have taught us all that you don't take for granted some states. you don't ignore some states. and it is worthwhile to invest time and effort in some states. even though the pollsters are telling you not to do so. the question is with limited resources and limited time you've got to really pick and choose. i do think florida is still a purple state and can go either way. texas, beto came within 2 1/2 points of beating ted cruz. look, states change. the fact that they are red in one election does not mean they won't be purple in another. take a look at arizona. >> true. >> it's gone from a deep red state to now being a purple state. >> deep south is a little different in complexion i would argue, but let's bounce it to the other side. scott jennings. you nervous? >> i'm not nervous. i do think the sun belt is in play. i don't think south carolina is going to change hands in this election. but look, i think from arizona
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to texas to georgia to north carolina and florida that whole sun belt swath, the democrats have to make a decision. are they going to make a real run at that or are they going to focus all of their energies on getting back the upper midwest? the president swept those three states -- >> why don't you do both? >> -- and that gave him the white house. if they were to win two of the three and everything else stays the same, they don't win the white house. i think if you're joe biden and you're the nominee and you're the democrat you're looking at texas and florida. these are big states, a lot of electoral votes, but a huge amount of money is required to compete. so those are the decisions you'll have to make based on the strategic information you have at the time. my suspicion is whoever gets the nomination will have had to go very far to the left to get, it which might put some of these deep red states out of reach for them. >> what do you think about that, ana, that what you need to do to get the nomination keeps you from delivering on the promise? >> look, what you do to get the nomination is frankly i think what joe biden is doing, is staying above the fray.
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he is not engaging with his primary opponents. and he is banking and betting and going hard on the issue that matters most to democratic voters right now. electability. i can win. i can beat donald trump. i think most democratic voters and a lot of voters who are anti-trump like myself, we will stump over trump. so if you're telling me that joe biden is the guy who's got the best chance to beat trump and can beat him in some of the states that trump won in 2016 like florida, which is a big, big state, then yes, that is a very good argument for him to make. i am from florida, and i think joe biden would be very competitive in florida. he's got tremendous loyalty and a lot of goodwill and a great record with the jewish community, which is an important community there. with the african-american community. we don't know how amendment 4 is going to affect the elections and how it's going to be implemented. that's the one which now allows felons to vote.
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so there's a lot of things that are up in the air in a state with such a bounty of electoral votes as florida. >> so the word on -- i don't want to get too in the weeds for people especially this far out. but the word of one of the reasons that there's some resonance and relevance of the internal polls that the president lied to the american people about in terms of what they say is his lying, scott, that it's a problem. it's a problem for him across the country. it makes people wonder whether or not they can count on his word. when you see a scenario like this one, don't believe the polls, they were your own polls, scott, from inside the campaign. how damaging is that to this president? >> well, i think most people would expect any campaign to put on a show of confidence that hey, don't worry about the polling, we're running a strong campaign, we have money in the bank -- >> he said they were incorrect. he said it was fake news. he didn't say i'll be better than my poll numbers. he said we were lying about it. he was lying about it. >> yeah, if i were the president, i would say it's going to be an exceedingly close
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election, the polls are going to show us down, the polls may show us up but don't listen to any of it because it's an exceedingly close race. >> i'm fine with that answer. >> the last time around -- >> i'm fine with that. >> the correct line is don't focus on it. just focus on the fact that it's close, every vote matters and it's going to matter in about -- >> but it's not about what's correct. this is one of those moments that i know always is a challenge for you when you have to come on. i'm not talking about the president. i'm talking about you, scott, and republicans like you. what will be the lie that is too much for you? he lied about his internal polling data. he then fires the pollsters because he thinks they leaked. you know, somebody leaked. the data comes out. he was lying about it. when will it be too much for you guys? because any one of these, if you flipped his name, i'll put a d next to him instead of an r, you'd go crazy about any of these lies. when will it be too much for you? >> i don't think republicans are going to abandon the president
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over inside baseball -- >> no, no internal baseball. this is lying. when will you say i'm a conservative, character counts? i've been saying this my whole adult life, i'm not going to stop saying this now. he's got to stop lying. when? >> yeah, look, i believe in most cases it would be better to tell the truth than anything else. there's no reason to lie about polling here. >> in most cases it would be better to tell the truth? ana. vote for me. in most cases i think it's better to tell the truth. >> chris, look. >> by the way, it's also better not to leak the polls, i guess. >> the hard answer, the very difficult answer for trump supporters to have to give is actually the truth. and the truth is there is no bottom to this barrel, there is no win. if republicans, if evangelicals, if people like franklin graham are saying god was involved in the election of donald trump after we know donald trump has paid hush money to "playboy"
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bunnies and strippers to remain silent about affairs, if they are sticking with him through something like that, i am telling you, there is no bottom. there are at least 50 things that donald trump did and said during the campaign in 2016. he mocked a disabled reporter for god's sakes. he mocked a disabled reporter. he called p.o.w.s losers. he has been mocking and attacking john mccain while john mccain was a senator, while he was sick with cancer, and after he's been dead. and that's not enough for people to call him out on it. there is no bottom to this barrel. they will go along and they will enable him regardless of what he does or say. >> all right. put a quick button on, it scott. >> you don't have to love or hate everything about what he does. but i will say this. most voters look at these elections through the lens of a choice. it's not necessarily a referendum on any one individual action by either candidate. but they look at it through the lens of a choice. and if you're an evangelical voter, if you're a social
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conservative, ana brought that up, if you're a conservative person and you like the direction of the country on the economy, judges, pro-life stuff, then you are going to look at these two nominees and you're going to judge trump to be a better option. it doesn't mean you condone lying and it doesn't mean you always agree with what comes out of donald trump's mouth or his campaign. but it does mean you get a choice. and if you care about policy direction, i know what choice people are going to make. they're going to stick with the president. >> scott, i've got to tell you, when you have people like franklin graham saying god was involved in this election, listen, unless god is the new code name for vladimir putin i don't know what he's talking about. >> all right. i've got to go. ana navarro, scott jennings, thank you for making the arguments. i appreciate it. the president's leaked internal polling data reportedly puts him behind biden in some states. it happens. elections are long. one of the states is wisconsin. we have a wisconsin republican here, sean duffy. what does he think? does he think there's trouble in
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cyberattacks against russia. why? well, the suggestion is that they're concerned that this president would reverse the order or share the plans with foreign officials. let's discuss this with the republican from wisconsin, congressman sean duffy. good to see you as always. happy father's day. >> hey, chris. thanks. same to you. chris, can i say one thing? i thought that was a great intro for anderson cooper and a tribute to his mom. that was beautiful. and our hearts go out to his family in the loss of a loved one. >> i mean, look, you know how it is. life goes on. you lose your parents, you lose those who are close to you. nobody can say anything. but boy, did he give really himself and the rest of us a gift. that hbo thing he did. i don't care if it's hbo or whatever. i'm not pushing product here. but he had a conversation with his mother. i wish i had done something like that with my father so i could remember it. the lens into her and into the love. it's a tough loss. but it's nice of you to mention. >> it says lot about anderson. i'm going to look it up on hbo and watch it as well. but it says a lot about his
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family and the love and affection between a mom and a son. >> yeah. both uniquely deep in their feelings. it's really good. and i know he's hurting right now. he's a good man. we all feel for him. and we're thinking about him. thank you for mentioning that. appreciate it, congressman. >> absolutely. >> do you buy this, that intel officials kept their cyber counterattacks of russia from the president and for the reason that is offered? >> no. first of all, i think it's a bogus story, chris, because why would cyberintelligence officials keep this data from president trump but then go to the "new york times" and tell "the new york times" so they'd run a story so russia knows that we have malware inside of their electrical grid? it just doesn't make any sense. and by the way, the president actually authorized the intelligence community and our cyber teams to develop tools for him to use. he may not have known what each of those tools are until he decides to use them.
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but he authorized them. but why in the hell would our intelligence community expose a great tool we might have to use in the future should russia be i bad -- an daysal bad actor or try to hack into our elections? >> it's not my reporting but in doing a little groundwork on it today the answer to the question is because we want them to know, we want them to know you were doing it to us, we're doing it to you, we're just better at it, and that there's a little bit of a propaganda game. i would be okay with you dismissing the story if they didn't have a legitimate basis for concern. you know, what happened in the oval office with the russians. what he supposedly gave over to chairman kim in their meeting. they do have precedent for being worried about what comes out of the mouth of this president. >> but the basis of the story is this information was too sensitive, donald trump could leak it out, so we didn't want to share it with him, so we're going to go to the "new york times." >> they didn't get into the
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details. >> it doesn't pass the smell test. you and i can't look at that story and say is this just? deep staters that hate the president that are trying to embarrass him and drive a story against the president or is this actually happening? i'm on the side, on the viewpoint that these are just hacks inside of the intelligence community that are trying to embarrass our president because it doesn't make any sense. if you actually love your country and you're concerned about the president, we should never know about it. you would never tell anybody. no one would know that you have these tools. but in essence what they did is said we're going to tell the rugsz, we want the russians to know we have this tool and therefore we can never use it in the future and if we do they'll know it's us. >> if that's the case. they say it doesn't limit their capability. but i take your point in terms of the sensitivity. and also look, let's be honest, congressman, this president doesn't need help when it comes to exposing him. this story about the polls, i don't care about the polls, i don't care about what they say, we all know how campaigns go, they take forever. but they're internal polling data and he comes after us with
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his enemy of the people thing, you know, and it's an incorrect story, the polls aren't true, the stories aren't true. they're his own polls. why lie about these things? >> but i think take a trip down memory lane with me, and i know you might be sensitive to the pushback the president gives, but i was on with wolf blitzer in the days leading up to the election and i'm like wolf, donald trump's not down by eight points in wisconsin i can tell you i know it to be true, if he loses he's going to lose by a point but i think he's going to win wisconsin because i see what's happening on the ground. donald trump said the same thing and said the pollsters are wrong, this isn't right. in the last election who was the liar, donald trump or the pollstersize? >> nobody was lying. it was about the polls being wrong. but here he said that the polls are incorrect, don't believe the reporting. they were his polls. we weren't making them up. that's the point. >> but that's the -- my point is i think the president has a great pulse on where the american people are at. and this is the same story that ran 2 1/2 years ago and president trump was right -- >> i don't disagree with any of
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that. i'm saying the premise is different. that's fine. he can say i don't believe the polls. i don't believe it. i know, they gave it to me. in fact, i'm firing the pollsters, i think they stink. that would all be fine and acceptable. but he didn't say that. he questioned the integrity of the reporting. it's a fake story. it's fake news. it wasn't fake, sean. and i don't get why he has to attack things with lies. all it does is make things worse. >> listen, but you know what i think the president's frustrateded. i mean, here if you have polling it's supposed to be confidential. i don't share my -- >> fine. >> -- polling with the media. joe biden. no one shares their polling. >> 100%. >> you have an incredibly frustrated president. who feels like he's attacked every day from most of the media. that gets old after a while -- >> sean, his own people leaked it. his own people -- punch yourself then. these are his people. >> but wouldn't that make you angry, chris? you'd be angry about that. >> you know what it could make me do, sean?
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something you and i would do. >> if your brother in new york did polling and they leaked it to the press, your brother would be wild about it and so would you. >> and you know what he'd do? >> i would be wild about it. >> i know. believe me, if somebody went bad on my brother they'd have a problem with me in a nanosecond. but here's what he'd also do. and here's what i think you would do. and here's what i know i would do. why are all these people going bad on me? why would my intel people tell people they don't trust me? why would my own pollsters leak? why would my white house leak like a sieve? what am i dock that's not inspiring loyalty? >> that's a great question. this president was a businessman, never involved in politics, and the american people actually voted for that. and you look at the results this plnt has driven, and i think you have to report more on that. people in my community, i'm in wausau, but all through central and northern wisconsin whether you go to rice lake or hudson or spooner people's lives are better. they have more jobs, they have more opportunity, they have higher wages, their kids are getting jobs, they don't have to go to chicago. they can actually move back to rice lake, wisconsin and get a job and raise their kids right
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where they were raised down the street. that means a lot in the hearts of the american people and that's what's happening not just in wisconsin but all over the country. and so you might say yeah, the president gets a little hotheaded when his polls leak. but the results he's driven have been remarkable for the people he said he was going to fight for, the men and women who put their boots on every single day and make this country great. he's fighting for them -- >> that is definitely the case. >> and i see that every single day in the place i come from. they feel they haven't had a president who's fought for them, republican or democrat. >> well, look -- >> they all go native when they go to washington. the president didn't go native. >> that's for sure. >> that can frustrate the insiders you bring into the white house. they may not like it. and they might go i want the george bush or i want the bill clinton -- >> i hear you. but congressman, here's what -- >> you have a different player who's got different results, though, too. >> i don't know how different the results are. that will be the basis of the campaign, and it's a good one to have. but all i'm saying is this. the problem is he doesn't tell the truth and it ruins his own case and it makes it hard to cover all of it and it's going
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to be a big challenge during this election but we'll get through it. congressman, i've got to go. i'm out of time. but you're always welcome here to argue the case. always welcome to argue the case. >> have a good night. >> be well and thank you for what you said about anderson's mother gloria vndar bi vanderbi. thank you. there are lots of lozenges now. did you know that? because of what happens when an aide coughs around this president. no, i'm making that up. i don't know why that happened in thant view. i don't know why the president chose to do what he did to one of his most important advisers. so i'll bring in d-lemon because his throat is itching to speak about this. next. ...that's why i've got the power of 1 2 3 medicines with trelegy. the only fda-approved 3-in-1 copd treatment . ♪trelegy. ♪the power of 1-2-3. ♪trelegy 1-2-3 trelegy. with trelegy and the power of 1 2 3, i'm breathing better. trelegy works 3 ways to...
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you know? >> your chief of staff. >> if you're going to cough, please leave the room. >> i'm over here. >> you just can't. >> just to change the shot. sorry. >> that's the biggest concern he has, right? is mulvaney coughing. he just said it's a great financial statement. he's talking obliquely about his taxes. if they're so great, put them out. d-lemon, your take. >> i thought it was -- at first i thought he was joking. he wasn't. and he's a >> jeremy: -- germophobe, you know that, right? >> he used to be like that. he didn't used to shake people's hands. now he's shaking people's hands. i think he learned he has to do it as part of his job, he has to reach out and touch people. i don't think this was about a germophobe, which is an indication of why there are so many leaks around him. if you want loyalty, you have to treat people with respect. >> you have your closing statement and i have my take at the top of the show. in that take, i will tell you
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exactly why it is, why he did that with mick mulvaney. that's a tease. stick around for that. i'll tell you why. he also may be on the verge of a confrontation in the middle east, tensions with iran. there are troops being sent over, as you have been reporting and we have been reporting on cnn. who better to talk about it, james clapper and others, and they're going to break it down for us. >> good. so mitch mcconnell talked about jon stewart, because he wanted to say something about jon stewart's public shaming of him about shutting down the 9/11 first responders. this is not about big names getting after it, it's about the truth behind. that's the argument, next. ♪ ♪ find calm in over 1,000 airport lounges worldwide.
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they did their jobs. with courage, grace, tenacity, humility. 18 years later, do yours! >> let's be honest. we were all jon stewart. he was all of what we are in that moment. that was the truth. it's not about right or left. that was his dramatic plea to lawmakers last week fighting to get the 9/11 victims' compensation fund reauthorized. like that's controversial? if there were any question whether his scalding call for urgency and respect were warranted, the senate majority leader answered it with this. >> we've never failed to address this issue and we will address it again. i don't know why he's bent out
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of shape but we will take care of the 9/11 victims compensation p fu fund. >> bent out of shape? stuf stewart and others call out mcconnell with cause. years ago congress nearly blocked the zodrogol act, the funding that helped these people, the same funding that's running out. the republicans wanted a scaled-down version. they got it. mcconnell went on the floor to defend the scaled-down commitment. >> some have tried to portray this debate between those who support 9/11 workers and those who don't. this is a distorted look at the facts. it was never about supporting the responders, it was about doing it right. >> and by doing it right, he meant with less money, with less
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help for the first responders who we all promised to never forget. back then, as now, they needed to be shamed into doing the right thing. look at this. senate republicans budged following a barrage of criticism over the last few days not just from democrats, but also from allies including former mayor rudy giuliani of new york and fox news. that was in 2010. jump to 2019. some of those heroes felt like they had to camp outside mcconnell's office to get the act renewed. democrats back then and even some republicans said mcconnell was holding up the money until they agreed to lift a ban on exporting u.s. oil. mcconnell was acting like these were kids seeking asylum on the border, you know, people he thinks deserve indifference, deserve not to get what they
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need. not people who sacrificed as americans so much in 9/11. i'm being sar ddonic and with reason, right? you should help people who need it no matter where they are. you spend tons of money on people that make no sense. this makes all the sense in the world. and even republicans directly involved in the negotiations privately say they had a deal all set using money in a highway bill until mcconnell objected at the last minute mixing this budget priority with these men and women and their health. look, i don't connect a spitting match between two well-known names. it's not even about the right and left. if taking care of first responders isn't a unanimous concern, i don't know what is. the truth is congress has not done them right, period. and mcconnell, we'll get to it when we get to it must be unacceptable to all of us.
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he and other lawmakers who have not cared for our falling and ailing first responders can say they will never forget. and they can say they care about these heroes. but we only know what they show. this argument is as simple as replaying mr. mcconnell's own words. a lot of things happen last minute. i don't know why he's so bent out of shape. is that how you talk about a group you know is so desperate for this? do you really just casually push aside the concerns of someone like jon stewart? he's an echo. he's not unique. hey, kudos to stewart, he's been there from the beginning for these men and women. he's been there from the beginning, okay? but this isn't about him and he knows it. he's the first one to say that. where is the commitment to them? don't mix their priority with your priorities. don't mix their money with money that you want for things. don't play politics with the people you said you would treat
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as heroes. otherwise what do you value? what are you about if you can't take care of the people we promised to never forget? thank you for watching us. "cnn tonight" with d. lemon starts right now. >> how do you tell cancer, how do you tell lung disease, how do you tell mysterious illnesses that you have no idea how to even label, we'll get to you when we get to you. how do you say that? >> things happen last minute all the time in congress. i don't know why he's so bent out of shape. >> okay. you went somewhere different. >> it's disgusting. it's disgusting. >> especially when you talk to the men and women who were there and who testified and who were fighting these diseases that you know had to have come from all the


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