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jeffries, the house democratic caucus chairman, seemed a little out of sorts answering that question. he said he's unfamiliar with the context in which she made that comment, but he said it's obvious that inmumty humanity i taking place. >> sunlen, thank you very much. >> thank you all very much. see you tomorrow morning. >> "at this hour" starts right now. hello, everyone. i'm erica hill in today for kate baldwin. long-time con iffidant hope hic testifies before the house judiciary committee. the white house arguing, not surprisingly, she can't answer questions about her role as one of the president's most trusted advisers because of, you guessed it, executive privilege. >> your reaction to the white house saying hope hicks should not answer questions about her time in the white house.
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>> obstruction of justice. >> cnn's manu raju is on capitol hill. katelyn collins is in washington. manu, what are you hearing about this? >> well, the white house counsel in the room alongside hope hicks are saying she's immune from answering questions about her time at the white house. that includes questions such as where her office was in the west wing, as well as whether she told the truth to the special counsel. according to democratic lawmakers in the room, they're making very clear she's not answering anything about any topics about their time at the white house. democrats coming in did want to ask her about those allegations of obstruction of justice that were laid out in the mueller report. the efforts allegedly by the president to undermine the mueller probe, including how he handled the firing of james comey, whether he wanted to dismiss the special counsel, as was alleged in the report, among other things, including his relationship with michael flynn and her role in drafting a
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misleading statement that went out to the press when it was revealed that donald trump jr. had a meeting at trump tower with russians who wanted to offer dirt on the clinton campaign. all those topics off limits. coming out of this hearing, democrats are making it very clear they're not happy, and they could go to court to fight this out. >> when the white house issued that letter making a claim of immunity, it doesn't exist in the law. it is quite clear that witnesses are required to answer truthfully questions asked unless a privilege is available. there's no such thing as absolute immunity that prevents someone from answering questions about any subject related to their work in the administration. >> is it acceptable for the white house to be saying she has complete immunity? >> i think the courts will decide that. >> now, republicans have a different view. one republican, congressman radcliffe, came out of this room, and i asked him about this testimony so far. he said that she has been a very
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cooperative witness. he says that they're probably not expected to learn a whole lot in his view, and he views this as essentially a waste of time. but she is answering questions about her time on the campaign trail, and a lot of those questions do have to do with the president's involvement with that hush money scheme to keep quiet those extramarital affairs that were about to come out in the run up to the 2016 campaign. there, executive privilege or even saying she has immunity does not apply. still remains to be seen how she answers those questions. at least on the campaign side she's answering questions, even as democrats are making it clear they're not happy with the way this is going so far because she won't talk about her time at the white house. erica? >> manu with the latest on that. kaitlin, i know you have more information objen the changing relationship between hope hicks and the president. >> yeah, the last time she was here, democrats were not in control of the house. so what she's witnessing is not
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anything like what it was when she was here in march, last march when she left the white house. also, what's different is her relationship with the president. we're being told based on our reporting that she and the president barely speak anymore. that's a pretty dramatic shift from this near constant conversation they used to have where essentially hope hicks was the president's sounding board. she was there for things big and small, even steaming the wrinkles out of his pants, according to campaign aides. but now that she's moved to the west coast, she has essentially this new life. we're being told she barely speaks to the president, and there were some times last year when she didn't even return his phone calls. that led the president to ask people what's going on with hope. now, erica, we should be sure to say this isn't some sign we're told by people close to her of changing feelings about the president. we're told she's still on his side, still supports him, but she felt this need when she left the white house to really distance herself from trump, to get out of the orbit she had occupied for so long. white house officials have said they're not worried about her testimony today, not worried
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she'll reveal anything damaging about the president. but of course, any time they're asking questions like manu was saying about hush money payment scandals, it's not going to be very flattering testimony coming from one of the president's former closest confidants. >> thank you, both. joining me now, jennifer rodgers, cnn legal analyst, former federal prosecutor. i want you to take us inside whatting potential what could potentially be happening here. if we look at this changing relationship that kaitlan just laid out, and she was clear, this doesn't mean hope hicks is not still a fan and a supporter of the president, but just looking at the way that relationship has changed, that she wants to remove herself from the orbit. what does that tell you about her mind set? >> i think she wants to make sure that she doesn't violate the law, that she's following the law, that she's not doing anything that she ought not to do. so i think it sounds like she's listening to the white house counsel's office and not answering questions they're telling her not to answer.
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so she's not going to buck them on that. if it came to something where she was asked a question and allowed to answer it, she's not going to lie for the president. that's where it seems to me she's drawing the line because now they have this distance that was talked about. >> we should point out, she did also admit to a congressional panel she had told, in her words, some white lies in the past. that in itself is interesting. just gives you an insight into her taking this testimony seriously. >> well, testimony is very different than speaking to reporters or speaking out publicly, as we know from the president himself, who tells whoppers constantly but not under oath. so this is a very different deal. she's going to make sure that she doesn't violate the law by testifying falsely for sure. >> and when we look at asserting executive privilege, does this mean everything from january 20th, inauguration day, 2017, and on there will be no answers for those questions? >> that's what the white house is saying and white house counsel is saying. if the dems go to court, i think a court will find there's some room there, that she will be allowed to testify to some things. like all privileges, it can't
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cover up crimes or frauds. so certainly with respect to obstruction incidents, i think a federal judge would find that she could testify about crimes. it wouldn't cover up those crimes. but for now, they're asserting that privilege. they're going to have to go to court to fight it out. >> also, for her time post white house. since she's left, she's no longer a white house staffer. obviously the president is still the president. there had still been communication, although it's petered out. can executive privilege be asserted over any of those conversations? >> so this is a big unknown area because executive privilege hasn't been litigated extensively enough for us to really know what the full parameters are. but i think not. i think that it's meant to protect the president and his top advisers while he is the president. that's why it doesn't protect things before he takes office. so likewise, i think a court would find that after he leaves office, he only gets privilege with respect to his actual advisers at the time. >> in terms of privilege, we heard nancy pelosi say in the sound we played a few moments ago that it amounts to
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obstruction of justice. do you agree? >> i don't. obstruction of justice is a legal term. it's a crime. what they're doing is a vastly, overbroad assertion of the privilege. it's a litigation position. that's not going to be a crime. it's obstructive but not obstruction. >> jennifer rodgers, always good to talk to you. coming up, a new report on the murder of journalist jamal khashoggi linking the crown prince. plus, it was billed as a campaign relaunch, so why is president trump so focused on old battles? and senator elizabeth warren cementing her status as one of the top contenders. stay with us. is that net carbs or total?... eh, not enough fiber... chocolate would be good... snacking should be sweet and simple.
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environmental groups will likely challenge this in court. walk us through this new rule. what would change? >> well, essentially what happens is this, under the obama administration, there was a real push by the epa to say, look, we're going to tighten the regulations on emissions to help with global warming and to help nudge the nation away from coal use. they basically wanted to say, we need to discover new ways of producing cleaner energy. we need to rely more on that clean energy. and as long as we keep letting coal go forward unimpeded, that probably won't happen. so the obama administration wanted to move away from that. the trump administration has said this was an overreach, that they had no business doing this, and this rule change now says the states get to play a much bigger role in deciding what will be appropriate for their state. and i'll tell you, the senate majority leader mitch mcconnell, who's a republican from kentucky, a big coal state, has already come out with a statement saying this is a good
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sign that the war on coal by the democrats has been pushed into retreat, and he's very happy to know that his state can move forward this way. so that's a little sense of politically how this is playing out, erica. >> tom, the president last night during his big 2020 re-election kickoff had this to say. take a listen. >> we have among the cleanest and sharpest -- crystal clean. you've heard me say it. i want crystal clean air and water, anywhere on earth. we are creating a future of american energy independence and yet our air and water are the cleanest they've ever been by far. >> tom, you're one of my favorite fact checkers. do me a favor. is any of that true, and would this new rule deliver on that promise? >> well, let's start with the second part. this new rule, there are plenty of people out there, including the epa's own analysis from
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earlier on that would suggest no. the new rule will absolutely not deliver on that. even if all that were true, we'd be moving in the opposite direction. the idea there's energy independence, one of the things he saluted there, that was growing a great deal under the obama administration. this was not something that was unique to donald trump. so if he's trying to lay claim to that, he does not have claim to that. and the notion that our water and air are cleaner than it's ever been, well, that's a big reach to begin with. cleaner than many parts of the world, sure. you would think that in a country as advanced as the united states that the wartter d air should be pretty clean. you can turn on a tap and drink the water. that's not clear in some other areas. but for him to somehow suggest we've reached some pristine state that has not existed before, there's very little evidence to back anything like that unless you cherry pick certain areas in a certain way. but i think that's also an indication of where we're going to go forward in this campaign with environmental talk. you'll have democrats saying,
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look, we have too much we need to do, and republicans saying, all of that costs jobs, all of that is expensive. we're doing just fine. >> tom foreman, always appreciate it. thank you. >> good seeing you, erica. new this morning, an independent investigation blames saudi arabia for the, quote, deliberate premeditated execution of journalist jamal khashoggi. the cia and other western countries have concluded saudi crown prince mohammed bin salman ordered khashoggi's assassination. saudi arabia denies it. clarissa ward joins us now with more on these findings. so this report from a u.n. official does not go so far as to directly implicate the crown prince, saudi arabia's de facto ruler, but it certainly makes some other things very clear, and it is gruesome, clarissa. >> it is gruesome, it is lurid,
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erica. actually, i would say it says that there is strong credible evidence that the highest echelons of saudi authorities, including the crown prince may indeed have been involved with planning or at least have had knowledge of khashoggi's murder. this u.n. investigator is not pulling any punches. the thing she's strongest on, that she really emphasizes is the idea that this was premeditated. she has listened to the hours and hours of audiotapes from inside the saudi consulate. at one stage, 13 minutes before jamal khashoggi even enters the building, you hear the voice of the forensic expert who was brought along with the team of 12 saudis, you hear his voice talking about dissecting a body.
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it's hard to read some of this out because it's lurid. it's unpleasant. but he expresses hope that a dissection would be easy. he explained separating the joints should not be a problem but commented he'd never cut something on the ground. then someone else in the room asks whether the sacrificial animal, that's a quote, had arrived. that's referring to jamal khashoggi. khashoggi appears to see a syringe. investigators believe he had a plastic bag put over his head. he was asphyxiated. then turkish officials describe hearing the sound of the saw beginning to dismember khashoggi. so this is a damning report,
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erica. and this u.n. investigator calling on the u.s. to launch an fbi investigation, calling on turkey to open a public inquest, and calling for targeted sanctions potentially against saudi arabia as well. >> there's a lot in there. clarissa ward, appreciate it as always. thank you. joining us now, republican senator kevin cramer of north dakota, who sits on the senate armed services committee. good to have you with us today. i'd like to get your take on what we just heard from cl clarissa, going through this u.n. report, this independent report. do you believe that the crown prince played a role in jamal khashoggi's death? >> well, clearly people had pretty high levels -- knew about it, maybe approved it, maybe even ordered it. i don't know exactly what all happened, but it's more concerning today than it even was some time ago. but there's never been much doubt that saudi arabia is an ally with some serious flaws. >> an ally with serious flaws. the report also found, as you
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know, credible evidence meriting further investigation. specifically urged the fbi to investigate further. would you agree with that? would you like to see the fbi get involved with an investigation? >> it's a little unclear to me how they would do that or whether they have to do that or whether it's necessary. i think we can draw some conclusions at this point based on this report. perhaps it's appropriate for the fbi to look into it further. i don't know if there's more to find out or whether we just want one more source to confirm what seemingly we already know. i think the bigger question becomes what do we do about it as a country. we do have these many awkward relationships with allies, quasi allies, situational allies in the middle east, and saudi arabia, of course, is one of those. so how we move forward is not a trifling matter, but clearly i think we have to take a stand. >> so then how do you believe we should move forward? what should that stand be? >> i don't know, erica, right off the top of my head. you talked about some sanctions.
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i think one of the things we have to do is acknowledge it. if there's credible evidence, there appears to be, that the crown prince was aware if not even involved, you know, we need to acknowledge that up front. then i think as a team, whether it's congress or whether it's the president's folks, we have to come up with some way to send a strong signal both to allies and adversaries that we know this, that it's not acceptable, and while we want to work together on certain things in the region, this has to be addressed. >> we look forward to seeing what comes of that, whether it's from congress, the white house. listen f you get the president's ear and have a better sense, please let us know. we have a lot of topics we want to get to this morning. it has been such a busy 24 hours or so. most recently, of course, you serve ornn the armed services committee. yesterday the president appointed secretary of the army as acting secretary of defense. you said in response to that, that the reality is the timing of this isn't very good. are you concerned about the lack of consistent leadership at the
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department of defense, and is he the right man for the job? >> well, my comments certainly were not about the secretary. i think he's a fine interim secretary. he's a very good secretary of the army. he may well be the president's choice to fill the position. one thing i would say, though, the timing is problematic because today we're bringing up the national defense authorization act. we're going to start working on that on the floor, pass it out maybe next week already. that's the point of my timing point. the other point is we've been without a confirmed secretary now for six months in an agency that's very, very important. so i hope that if the president has someone in mind for the permanent job that we can move -- that he can move and we can move quickly to fill the position. it's just such an important leadership position. >> one of those critical issues escalating tensions with iran. tom cotton said if iran is responsible for the attacks on oil tankers, it warns a retaliatory military strike. do you agree?
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>> we're on the very edge of needing to retaliate, i'm afraid. i'd still rather avoid it. i'd prefer the moves we're making now create enough of a deterrence, that the iranians would back off their aggression in the strait of hormuz, back off on using proxies. that would be my preference. tom, of course, is a soldier himself and has strong feelings. he may even know a little more. we are going to be briefed, we being the members of the armed services committee, are going to be briefed in a classified briefing this afternoon at 2:00. we'll know a lot more then. >> senator kevin cramer, appreciate your time this morning, sir. thank you. >> my pleasure. thanks for the opportunity. a rising threat among the democratic candidates and to president trump. senator elizabeth warren. is the president taking her seriously? that's next. ♪
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the other side. and we are building the wall. we're going to have over 400 miles of wall built by the end of next year. many times i said we would drain the swamp, and that's exactly what we're doing right now. we're draining the swamp. our radical democrat opponents are driven by hatred, prejudice and rage. they want to destroy you, and they want to destroy our country as we know it. >> joining me now, cnn political analyst and washington bureau chief for the daily beast jackie kucinich. david, as we look at this, yes, those are the well-worn lines, but there's another one we all know well. you go to the concert to hear the greatest hits, not for the new stuff from the new album. really, should anybody be surprised that this is what the president is rolling out? >> well, nobody should be surprised that donald trump isn't changing his ways. i think everybody knows who donald trump is and would expect this kind of performance. i think what is interesting and
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intriguing to note from this, though, was how he chose not to use this opportunity to frame the re-election campaign in some way on his accomplishments as much as he wanted to stick with the grievances, right. to you hear from his campaign operatives, from republicans around town all the time about wanting to hear him talk up the economy day in and day out with all the good economic indicators that are out there for him to tout. instead, he has a whole litany of other things he's constantly distracted by. i think that was on display in this re-election launch last night. >> in terms of that being on display, jackie, the crowd of course loved it. that's what they're there for. this is their guy, as we know. is it going to work, though, for the next 18 months, especially to david's point when he's not touching on the economy and other things he could be pointing to? >> well, and that's the open question. let's not forget, the president needs more than his base to win
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re-election, and that hasn't really been a consideration as of yet. it's still obviously early, but can you watch the same show over and over and over and over again? i mean, right now when you see those rallies, there are a group of people that can. but when you're looking at where he is in wisconsin, in pennsylvania, in michigan in terms of polling, internal and external, it does seem like, in a conventional campaign, which i know we're not n bin, but in theory, you would need to start talking about the economy and things more in line with the promises made, promises kept mantra that you're hearing from his operative, not as much from the president himself. >> david, he did name check joe biden. not surprising. he also referenced bernie sanders when talking about socialism. one of his other favorite targets, elizabeth warren, noticeably absent which is interesting because she seems to be gaining ground among democrats, which makes you wonder why he's not mentioning
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her. is she becoming more of a force to be reckoned with? >> she certainly is inside the democratic nomination race. making a real play for that second place slot across national and state polls we've seen with bernie sanders. we know that they appeal to a large swath of the same voters inside the party. so watching her rise there and sanders sort of maintaining or even decreasing a little bit at times is a dynamic to keep watching. i doubt donald trump is going to stand by not mentioning elizabeth warren. he's clearly had the desire to do so in the past. i'm sure as she continues to get more attention, this moment she's having in the race and how she plans on extending it for the long run with her political organization, her policy rollouts, all of that, trust me, i imagine we're going to hear from donald trump on elizabeth warren again. >> he may have a plan for that, just like elizabeth warren seems to have a plan for everything. when we look at that, the plan
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for everything, the policy rollouts, she's remained consistent in terms of what she's doing and the message she's putting out. do you think that's what's gaining traction with voters, or is it something else? >> i think that's right. when i've spoken to people, they really like her on the stump as well. she's doing the work. she's having all these town halls. she's providing a level of access to voters, the one-on-one time that you're not seeing among some of the other top-tier candidates. so i think it's multipronged. also, when you're talking about bernie sanders, she's the, i guess, capitalism alternative to bernie sanders' socialism. there's more comfort about that with some democratic voters. it doesn't seem like she's as far left, even if some of their policies are, in fact, in line. she's going to be definitely one to watch at the debate next week because it is kind of her -- particularly in the group she's in, it's going to be her moment to shine. >> david, it's a very crowded field. we have a long way to go until
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section summer when we have one official candidate. that being said, is there anyone who at this moment really stands out in the way that donald trump does with his ability to fill an arena, 20,000 people, like we saw last night? anyone on the democratic side? >> no, we haven't seen anything like it. i would say the closest thing we've seen to that was when kamala harris had her debut launch speech. she had an enormous crowd they built out in oakland, california, to launch her candidacy. we don't -- we do not see anything like sort of the dedication and loyalty where people are pitching tents and outside the arena for a day before to make sure they can get in. we know that donald trump has some uniqueness inside american politics. the question, i think, is when it was brand new in 2016 and hillary clinton was the opponent, it had one effect. does that unique ability, as jackie was saying, if it's just among the core supporters and doesn't branch out beyond that, does that have a unique ability to deliver him the oval office again for a second time? that's the open question. >> so many things to watch.
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david chalian, jackie kucinich, thank you both. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell taking a lot of heat this morning for saying reparations are a bad idea because no one alive is responsible for slavery. senator cory booker with a fiery reaction in a hearing that's under way at this hour. that's next. ♪
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danny glover testifying before a house subcommittee, making the case for a commission to study and develop reparation proposals. >> i say that i am brokenhearted and angry right now. decades of living in a community where you see how deeply unfair this nation is still to so many people who struggle, who work hard, who do everything right but still find themselves disproportionately with lead in their water, superfunds in their neighborhood, schools that don't serve their genus. we as a nation must address this persiste persistent inequality or we will never fully achieve the strength and possibility. hope is the active conviction that despair will not have the last word. >> senate majority leader mitch mcconnell already speaking out against the idea.
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>> yeah, i don't think reparations for something that happened 150 years ago for whom none of us currently living are responsible is a good idea. it would be pretty hard to figure out who to compensate. >> joining me now, cnn political commentator keith boykin, former clinton white house aide. first, i'm just curious your take on what mitch mcconnell had to say. he also went on to say that part of the reason this has already been addressed in his mind, among other things, is the country elected barack obama as president. >> you know, that's an offensive thing to say. the idea that somehow the election of one black person is enough to eradicate 250 years of slavery, 90 years of legalized segregation, and 55 years of oppression that took place after that. it's so offensive it's beyond the pale. not to mention the fact that most white people did not vote for barack obama, and certainly mitch mcconnell did nothing to support barack obama. his number one priority was to make him a one-term president. wouldn't even allow him to have his supreme court justice nominee.
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so mitch mcconnell using barack obama as the barometer excuse for why reparations is not acceptable is beyond offensive. >> his other point was him arguing that no one alive today owned slaves. slavery was done 150 years ago. what's really important when we heard from senator booker is though r this is not just about slavery and never has been. this commission is looking at the persistent inequalities, everything that slavery then set up that came afterwards. do you think there's enough understanding of that in this country, that that's a large focus of this discussion? >> i don't think the people understand the systemic effects, the long-term impact of slavery and segregation and jim crow. the fact that today the black unemployment rate is still twice the white unemployment rate, and it has been for as long as we've been recording this from the bureau of labor statistics. black people have less access to health care than white people do. educational opportunities are fewer for african-americans. housing opportunities are fewer. once we have access to housing, we're often red lined from neighborhood to neighborhood based on segregation. not to mention that black wealth
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is completely disproportionately infear yo inferior to white wealth. that's a reflection of how much racial disparity still persists in our country. >> it will be interesting to see where this goes after the hearing today. i want to get your take on a couple other topics. the president yesterday was asked about the central park five. not the first time or the last time he'll be asked about it. it's in the headlines again because of this documentary. i want to play for our viewers at home what he had to say. >> mr. president, will you apologize to the central park five? they've been exonerated. there have been videos and movies shown about the case. you came out with a full-page ad saying they should die. >> why do you bring that question up now? it's an interesting time to bring it up. you have people on both sides of that. they admitted their guilt. if you look at linda fairstein and some of the prosecutors, they think the city should have never settled that case. we'll leave it at that.
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>> president not going to apologize. this should not be surprising. he's not apologized for birtherism. he does not go back when corrected, as we know. that being said, what do you see of the potential political impact on either side for this being back in the headlines now and the president being forced to answer that question again? >> the reason why this is in the news is because it's the 30-year anniversary. secondly, the new film "when they see us" is exposing donald trump's role in perpetuating a fraud on these five young black and latinos. what happened was that in 1989, they were accused of rape for something that they did not do. the dna evidence came out later that cleared them. they were completely exonerated. the actual rapist kpcame forwar confessed to the rape. donald trump took out full-page newspaper ads, spent $85,000 to do this, calling for the death penalty, to execute these five young black and latino kids. even after all the evidence shows that he was wrong, he still won't apologize for it. that's inexcusable.
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republicans talk about this is the party of lincoln. how can you be the party of lincoln when you have a president who's blatantly engaged in racist lies on national television, who's celebrating andrew jackson, who was a democratic president, by the way, and a racist slave owner, but won't put harriet tubman on the $20 bill. >> keith boykin, always appreciate it. thank you. a news photographer finds himself face to face with an armed gunman. up next, that photographer in his own words about how he captured this chilling photo. >> i was just praying he couldn't see me. if he would have saw me, he would have shot me, no doubt. this is the couple who wanted to get away
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when a masked gunman tried to storm a federal courthouse in dallas, a photographer stayed put and captured this chilling image. diane gallagher has his story. >> i was just praying he couldn't see me. if he would have seen me he would have shot me. no doubt. >> the terrifying scene as an army veteran seemingly dressed for battle opened fire outside
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the federal building and courthouse in downtown dallas. >> i heard three pops thinking it was backfire from a car. after the third shot i knew it wasn't. >> dallas morning news photographer tom fox was waiting to photograph a defendant arriving for jury selection when the bullets started flying. >> i didn't know what it was so i pulled up a long lens and looked through the viewfinder and saw the muzzle of the gun and the guy with the mask on. >> reporter: fox snapped this chilling photo of the gunman, brian isaack clyde. >> this is my job, what i've been doing for almost 30 years, stay close to the story but not in danger. >> reporter: but didn't realize he needed to take cover. >> i got to get out of harm's way. he's coming this way. i didn't want to be shot in the back so i ducked into the first alcove. >> reporter: cell phone video shot by tim brown shows fox a few feet from klein during the chaotic moments.
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group of people who experienced such a crisis and lived to share what we learned about it. i can tell you firsthand that the startle factor is real and it's huge. it absolutely interferes with one's ability to quickly analyze the crisis and take effective action. within seconds these crews would have been fighting for their lives in the fight of their lives. i recently experienced all these warnings in a 737 max flight simulator during recreations of the accident flights. even knowing what was going to happen i could see how crews could have run out of time before they could have solved the problems. >> reporter: erica, it would cost a lot of money to do this simulator training but sully's weight here will carry a lot with the congressmen when they're determining what the faa needs to require before the ungrounding of this flight. erica. >> really quickly, do we know when they could be back? >> we don't. we're hearing indications that the ungrounding could potentially take place sometime late september, october, that's what airlines are planning for
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but, you know, there's no firm date yet. >> drew griffin with the latest from washington. drew, thank you. thanks to awful you for joining us this hour. "inside politics" with john king starts right now. thanks, erica. welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. thank you for sharing your day. president trump's big kickoff rally makes clear four more years would be four familiar years. also, a long list of grievances and a long list of statements that flunk a fact check plus longtime trump comfortable darnts hope hicks behind close doored on capitol hill. they want to know about hush payments and lawyers assert most are protected by privilege and should reparations be paid to the descendants of slaves? the house committee holds a he

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