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fireworks, separation, or any other anxieties, (announcer) if your dog suffers from fear of thunder, thundershirt may be the answer. thundershirt, absolutely, 100% works. good evening, it's 4:30 am in iran's capital, a sleepless night for some as they and we wait for the escalation of a crisis that occurred today. on the left is pentagon video of it shortly after it was hit. on the right, what iranian state tv is claiming to be video of the anti-aircraft missile hitting its target. now, we should point out we have not independently confirmed that nor is there any independent
assessment of where the drone actually was, whether it was in iranian airspace, as tehran is claiming or not, as the pentagon says. there is new reporting on that, which we're going to bring you tonight. either way because this is, in fact, such a tense moment, we are taking extra care throughout the entire broadcast to clearly label any and all unverified claims as such, no matter who is making them. we're making sure to bring you strong advocates on both sides of the debate over what to do next. the president today sent mixed signals telling reporters he thought the shootdown was accidental, but also suggesting that some sort of response is in the works. >> i find it hard to believe it was intentional, if you want to know the truth. i think it could have been somebody who was loose and stupid that did it. >> mr. president, how will you respond? >> you'll find out. >> are you willing to go to war with iran? >> you'll find out. you'll find out. >> a short time later, he briefed lawmakers. mitch mcconnell saying the
president is weighing a "measured response." his words. chuck schumer said he worried about the president bumbling, that was his word, into war with iran. we talk about that tonight, the risks ahead and the possibility of escalation or de-escalation. we begin, though, with cnn's barbara starr at the pentagon. so, barbara, what do we know happened here? the accounts coming out of the u.s. and iran are very different. >> they are different, anderson. perhaps that's not unexpected. the u.s. began its day saying one of the biggest drones, skud, was shot over international air force by an iranian surface to air missile. the iranians saying, no, the drone had strayed into iranian airspace and they shot it down. all of this resulted in the dueling videos you showed and
dueling maps and graphics from both sides as to where exactly this occurred. it is going to be up to people to make up their own minds at this point. who has the better track record on truth. who they choose to believe. for the president, the challenge at this hour is what to do about it, whether it respond, whether there is something to be done about it. we know the president is very reluctant as he looks at all of this intelligence still to commit to a significant action in iran. he has been for several days downplaying the tensions, if you will. calling them minor, the attacks minor on the tankers, trying not to escalate it. he has advisers who probably would like to see it escalated. anderson? >> has the drone been recovered yet. do we know? can it be recovered? >> well, the iranians are making some claims about that, but we checked a short time ago with the u.s. military. the weather out there has been bad today. we're told the seas are very choppy, the winds are pushing toward the iranian coast and it
is making it difficult for the u.s. to get any of the debris back. the iranians claim they have some but haven't showed it to the world yet. >> if the u.s. decides to respond militarily, is there any idea what that might look like? >> well, we already are seeing, of course, the pentagon put thousands of troops into the region for the current strategy of defense and deterrence against iran. the pentagon adamant it is not looking for war with iran, but it wants to deter further aggression. so the question at hand now is, if you want to respond with some kind of kinetic activity to this drone attack, if you want to bomb something, is there a limited strike option against iran, against missile sites, against radar, some kind of limited strike where you do not risk an iranian reaction that leads to a wider war with tehran? and that is a calculation right now we do not know exactly where the white house will come down on that. anderson? >> that's a difficult calculation to make. barbara starr, thank you. more now on the messages
coming out of the white house and the briefing tom lawmakers received. our pamela brown joins us now with that side of the story. so president trump's message on iran seemed to shift over the course of the day. can you explain that? do we know what was behind the thinking? >> reporter: that's right. we're seeing the president downplay this once again, calling it a big mistake, literally saying whoever did this was loose and stupid. all of this happening around the same time, anderson, that congressional leaders were called to the white house for this emergency briefing in the situation room. gop congressional leaders left, called for a measured approach. democrats emerged with the stashstark warning that president trump must get congressional approval before using military force with iran. and senator schumer, as you said, he's concerned the administration, in his words, will bumble into war, but the president is sending mixed signals. he's remained noncommittal on how this administration will act. in fact, anderson, just moments appearing to put iran on notice, that is when the president made the statement he thought it was all a big mistake.
however, iran contradicted the president saying it was intentional because it believes the u.s. drone violated its airspace. the pentagon, as barbara said, maintains that it was over international waters and released video that it claims shows a smoke trail in international airspace. but deliberations continue tonight, anderson, over what the next steps should be, if anything, on top of already sending 2,500 troops to the middle east in response to the recent acts by iran. prior to this latest act, officials said the president resisted the idea of military engagement. tonight he faces growing pressure from allying like senator lindsey graham who says he risks looking like he's all talk if he doesn't take action. the president said we'll have to see if the u.s. decides to use military force. i'm told by an administration official he is being constantly briefed on iran by his national security adviser john bolton, who is known to have more hawkish views on iran. the president said today he is not being pushed no war by his advisers. anderson? >> and do we know exactly the kind of advice -- well, you
talked there about john bolton. what is the next step for this white house? is there a sense of when a decision might be made? >> reporter: it certainly feels like something could happen soon, anderson. i don't know that, but it certainly seems in terms of the posturing with what the president has said, look, we will have to wait and see if there will be a military strike. and all of this pressure growing on him from his allies, like i said, lindsey graham, that he will look weak if he doesn't do something in response to this latest act by iran. he has been downplaying it consistently. he is someone who has said repeatedly he doesn't like intervention. he campaigned on that. but there are several provocative acts by iran with this latest one being the downing of a u.s. drone that has the president in a tricky situation here. he tried to again give himself some wiggle room by saying i thought it was an accident. iran made it clear it was intentional, though, and so we will have to see if the administration does choose to take any military action or look at other ways to respond,
anderson. >> pamela brown, appreciate it. thank you. cnn's fred pleitgen is the only western correspondent in tehran where it's early in the morning right now. he joins us. so president trump is saying it could have been a general or somebody who made a mistake and decided to shoot down this drone. is that -- what exactly are the iranians saying? ? >> reporter: well, the iranians are pretty much saying the exact opposite of that. i've been looking for any sort of statements, any iranian commander, anybody from the military or politics that said this could have been an accident or some sort of rogue commander or even the iranians possibly trying to walk this back, anderson. so far there's been none of that. the iranians are clearly saying this was a deliberate shoot down of this u.s. drone because they believe the u.s. drone infringed upon the airspace, violated their airspace. and the interesting thing about this is, i've been here 16 or 17 times now, anderson, and i have never seen the iranians on all levels, the moderates, the hardliners, the military, the politics, come out with so many statements so quickly.
pretty much all of them seem to be in sync. iran's foreign minister is getting involved in this. he pretty much tweeted a play-by-play how he saw this unfold. he said it had its transponder off and then he said it violated iran's airspace and even gave coordinates where he said the drone was shot down. that would put it about nine miles off the iranian coast. again, the u.s., of course, has a very different view of where that drone was shot down. the iranians, for their part, however, are saying, and this is now coming from the military, the revolutionary guard, which is the unit that shot that drone down. they're saying this is definitely a clear message to the united states that if you infringe upon iran's airspace, this is what's going to happen. the iranians are saying this is a red line. anderson, the top commander of the revolutionary guard came out earlier today, shortly after that drone was shot down, and said iran does not want any sort of war with the united states, but at the same time, they're also saying that iran is prepared for a war with the
united states. and one of the things that senior revolutionary guard former commanders and commanders have told me, they said if this does get out of hand in any way, shape or form, the u.s. would not only be dealing with iran's military, but, of course, also with the many proxy forces that it controls throughout the entire middle east. anderson? >> right. i mean, iraq, there is obviously a huge number of proxy forces as there are elsewhere throughout the world. has there been talk about taking retaliatory action against the u.s., you know, if in fact the u.s. does respond in a military way? >> reporter: well, yeah, and the iranians, the way that they're putting it -- first of all, they said that if the u.s. does make a military move, and we've seen the u.s. obviously say they want to deploy those 1,000 troops here. that's something that the iranians also feel is a threat to them. they say they're monitoring what the u.s. is doing. they've been saying that over the past couple of days. they say if the u.s. strikes first, of course, it would be what they call a crushing
response, they call it their iron fist, but the interesting thing that you hear from them again and again, anderson, they always say it's going to be in a wide territory. you could expect that to be in places like iraq, possibly in syria, possibly in lebanon, all these places where the iranians have their militias. the other thing that the iranians keep talking about a lot is they've really advanced their ballistic missile program as well. that's another thing the iranians say they would use as well. sa they're saying, again, they certainly don't want this to escalate, is the view from tehran. they don't think president trump wants it to escalate, but if it does, it's going to be painful for the u.s. >> all right. fred pleitgen in tehran for the u.s. coming up next, an up close look at one of the tankers allegedly targeted by iran in the run-up to today as well as the leading member of the house intelligence committee on what we know on iranian intentions. two military analysts join us later. the breaking news in what joe biden said about getting along with segregationist senators. dr. cornell west joins us with
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we'll be right back. as we wait for the administration's next move on iran, a reminder it won't be the first. the administration has pulled out of the multinational nuclear agreement and placed tough sanctions on tehran. iran is the likely suspect and a pair of tanker attacks in the gulf of oman. the u.s. navy gem giving cnn's sam kiley an up close look at one of the vessels. >> this hull just over my shoulder, the americans say it was pierced with an iranian limpet mine. they can't say with total certainty it was put there by the iranians. nonetheless, it blew through both the outer hull and the inner hull of this ship, penetrating the fuel tank area. some experts have said that that is deliberate. it was a sign that whoever planted this mine knew what they were doing, that they wanted to send a signal but not cause a disaster.
>> if that, in fact, is the case, it certainly is a risky signal to send given the overall climate and the always real pocket of miscalculation. joining us now is congressman himes, democrat of connecticut. do you have any reason to doubt they say the drone was in international air space and iran was the aggressor? >> i don't, anderson. i haven't seen quite as much briefing material as some have, but i don't have any particular reason to doubt it. i do want to get confirmation. but in some ways i know we're going to spend a lot of time talking about whether it was in international airspace or over iranian airspace. there is no getting around the fact that, regardless, the iranians did a very, very dumb and aggressive thing here. they are rolling the dice on what the nature, if any, of the president's response will be in a way that is really playing with fire. look, a military conflict in the region is bad for everybody, including the united states. but a military conflict between the united states and iran ends
with the end of the iranian regime, and that's why i'm just puzzled why they are being as aggressive as they are, even though, of course, they have been isolated and strangled in some senses economically by what i regard as wrongheaded u.s. policy. >> republican leaders put out a statement, i'm quoting, there must be a measured response to these actions. do you agree that there should be a response? and what would you think a measured response would look like if you supported any kind of action? >> yeah, i do, anderson. as you probably know, i have been sounding the alarm for months now that the president's people, john bolton and mike pompeo, have been trying to get to precisely this moment, this moment when we are on the brink of a potential military conflict. they, of course, have been urged on by leaders in the middle east and saudi arabia and the uae and elsewhere. but, yes, so here's where we are. we are in a box right now because on the one hand, a
response is a very risky thing. if we do a proportional response, which i hope they do and take down one of their drones or whatever it might be, we don't know how they will respond. will they escalate? however, if we don't respond at all, that's equally dangerous because the iranians will read that as a feckless president who shouts a lot and tweets a lot, but doesn't follow up his words with actions. so here we are in precisely the place that john bolton wanted us to be in where we're in a box where no matter what we do, there is a high risk of escalation and military conflict. your question was should we respond. i think to fail to respond to an awful iranian regime, to sort of empower them, to send a message we won't respond if we are hit would be the more dangerous of the two options. >> do you believe the president has the authority to launch an attack specifically something that's proportional, not an all-out war, without getting congressional authorization? >> well, that's a really good question. i have for years been saying that we need to reassert congressional constitutional authority for deciding when we go to war.
of course, presidents have been violators on both sides of the aisle. whether it was barack obama in libya or syria, president trump in syria with his attack. there have been violation after violation. the reason your question is a slightly tricky one is that even members of congress like me who are very concerned for congressional prerogatives and what the constitution says will acknowledge that when we have been attacked, the president has the authority to respond and need not, depending on the circumstances, go through the whole legislative process that would result in congressional approval. >> congressman himes, i appreciate your time. a lot to get to, a lot to watch for. thank you. i want to focus more closely now on all the factors that any president has to weigh at a moment like this as well as the implications and consequences, intended or otherwise, that could follow. joining us right now is cnn military analyst, retired air force colonel cedric leighton. served during the george w. bush administration. colonel, do you believe the u.s.
should take retaliatory action against iran? and if so, what would that look like or should it look like? >> well, anderson, i think it should be proportional, just like congressman himes mentioned. when we do like at this kind of situation, we have to keep in mind that in this specific case, there's been no loss of u.s. life. so the type of action that we take in regards to iran must really take that into account. yes, we have to respond to it. we have to make it very clear to them that their behavior is unacceptable. but we also have to keep in mind that there was no loss of life in this particular case. >> mike, do you think there should be some sort of response, and should it be proportional as the colonel is saying? >> yes, i think there has to be some kind of response. not necessarily at this moment and to this particular attack on the drone. but looking at the totality of what the iranians have been doing, they've been trying to provoke us now for some time, attacking tankers, pipelines in
saudi arabia, a plant in saudi arabia. they're purposely choosing targets where there is not going to be any american loss of life, while at the same time, challenging the position of the united states across the region, so i think while we should be measured in our response, we should realize what this struggle is. this is not about a drone. this is about iran trying to tell everyone in the region that they run the middle east, not the united states, and that it's this easy to kick the united states out. >> colonel, what about -- i mean, the argument the president seemed to be making this could have been, you know, a mistake, essentially. some low-level general getting over his skis or just a mistake. >> well, i think, anderson, that's really unlike the iranian military structure. i've been watching iran for over 30 years now, and it's a very rigid command and control structure. there are differences, of course, between the army there and the revolutionary guards.
but whether it's one system, the regular army, or the revolutionary guards, they still follow a very rigid command structure. this was a deliberate act on their part. having said that, the president's comments give the iranians a way out if they choose to take it, but it seems they aren't taking it. >> mike, why do you think they aren't taking it? >> they're trying to put pressure on the entire international system ahead of the g20 meeting at the end of next week. they want, they want all of the members of the jcpoa, china, russia, the eu, all of them to swarm donald trump and say, you know, you need to actually negotiate with the iranians, you need to relieve some of the sanctions pressure on them and so on. so they're just trying to turn up the heat in general. >> cedric, isn't there tremendous potential that any kind of u.s. military action, as with any military action, one doesn't necessarily know the ripple effects, things can
spiral out of control, you can't necessarily predict how somebody is going to react or how, you know, whether they're a rational actor or not. is the u.s. ready for an actual war with iran? >> unfortunately, anderson, i don't think we are. now there have been -- there's been a lot of talk about iran over the years, really since the iranian hostage crisis, but in terms of concrete war plans, we don't have something that really looks at the day after next. so if we go into iran and actually have a real war with them, it would, first of all, be extremely devastating and we really don't know what the day after next is going to look like. and it would be a terrible mistake to do anything without understanding what that day should look like. >> colonel leighton, i appreciate your expertise, both of you. we have breaking news just ahead. joe biden and cory booker spoke on the phone after the the senator's cnn interview about the controversy that won't go away for the vice president. i'll talk to dr. cornell west and segregationist senators.
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thundershirt may be the answer. thundershirt, absolutely, 100% works. welcome back. there's breaking news in the most recent controversy that has consumed joe biden's campaign. a source telling cnn that biden reached out to cory booker over his comments about two segregationist senators. the phone call came after booker's interview on cnn. no apologies, we're told, from biden and the call was described as direct and respectful. it came after cory booker criticized the way biden described the two late senators he used to work with. he said biden should apologize. biden took it poorly and said booker should apologize to him. booker called those remarks insulting. the controversy represents a existential crisis for biden. he holds about a 40-point lead with african-american voters across two cnn polls. that despite a past that includes helping to write the 1994 crime law and once cauley
dixie catt strom thurman, the consummate public servant. i want to talk about the public policy with cornell west. dr. west, vice-president biden called senator booker last night. he still hasn't apologized for his comments. do you think he needs to? >> well, brother, i just first want to say that we are loving you. we're pulling for you. we're praying for you and i know you are as strong as ever. your mother was a warrior, love of life, joy, a beauty. we want you to know that. >> i appreciate that. she did. she lived a life of joy and beauty and love. so thank you. >> definitely. >> but, no, i think that brother biden is putting himself in a deeper hole. i think he ought to be ashamed. i think he has to recognize that all of us can make mistakes. nobody called him a racist. nobody said that he in any way was xenophobic in any serious manner. it's just a matter of saying certain things that hurt people. >> and so -- it can be cleared up by saying i'm sorry for that?
>> that's right. all you have to say is, i believe in bipartisanship. i could have chosen many other examples, and then let's have a debate about the record and so forth. but it gets deeper and deeper and it's sad. see, you have to remember, brother cory booker, he rarely ever has that kind of malcolm x come out of him, you know what i mean? he's a very calm and serene kind of brother. he has a righteous indignation. he's got a brilliance, but it's rare to see him in this kind of mode, which means he was affected in a very deep way. >> i wonder the fact you have jim clyburn, the highest african-american person in congress, as well as several other prominent african-american members, they came out strongly in support of biden on this. should that carry weight or is that about politics? >> well, it's hard to say. i mean clyburn's a complex brother. we know on one hand it's about politics.
i think they have a personal relationship and therefore you get the friendship kicking in. i can understand that, but i think that brother clyburn is wrong in this regard. i don't think anybody can go around talking about, well, he didn't call me "boy," he called me "son." see, you don't play with that kind of stuff. see, part of the problem is when you talk about jim crow, jim crow was neoslavery, it inspired nazism. you're not talking about segregationists. that's the deodorized term. no, you're talking about hatred, you're talking about terror, you're talking about drama. that's what jim crow was, terror, hatred trauma, not segregation in that broader sense. we've got to understand that. that's why it affects not just black people, it affects any morally sensitive human being no matter what color you are. there are a lot of white brothers and sisters who are upset with him because they're a people of principle, too, concerned about a certain kind of language. >> i think that's an original and important way that you
phrase that, kind of segregation is the deodorized term of it. this is hatred, not only hatred, but hatred institutionalized, hatred legalized. >> that's exactly right. and greed. and greed. because you're extracting people's labor. black people are paying taxes and not gaining benefits. they're part of the civic body but we're civically dead. we have no rights, even though we're part of the body politic. so we've gone from social death of slavery to civic death of jim and jane crow. that's nothing to play with. eastland, thurmond, helms, had he was close to because it was the democratic party. the democratic party was diverse ideologically and politically at that time. and we understand he had to work with them. of course. of course. i've had to work with people i disagree with all the time, believe me you. you know what i mean? good god almighty. but at the same time you've got to draw the line. of course, none of us are pure.
i've got some evil in me. you've got some evil in you. everybody's got some evil in them. but it's a matter of whether we act on it, do we conquer it every day. and do we learn how to die every day. that's the crucial thing. >> and do we acknowledge it and do we face it and try to overcome it. >> absolutely. in fact, when brother biden says, i don't have a racist bone in my body, let me tell you something, i've got white supremacy inside of me. i grew up in america. i have to conquer it every day. there is white supremacy inside of me a free black man 66 years, my hunch is there's a little racism inside of him and other americans. it's a matter of conquering it every day. the quality of effort. it's not a matter of acting as if we are beyond racism or beyond sexism or beyond anti-arab, anti-jewish, anti-muslim, anti-indigit adjen
people, any kind of element that -- inside of us is that loses sight of humanity of others. >> dr. west, a appreciate your time as always. thank you. >> thank you so much. love you, brother. stay strong. stay strong. >> thank you, dr. west. appreciate it. >> more breaking news to come. i love having him on the program. i always learn something. more break egg news on the biden fall out including the discussion of how this latest controversy may affect biden's campaign with the first democratic debate a week away. this is the couple who wanted to get away who used expedia to book the vacation rental which led to the discovery that sometimes
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we're continuing our discussion with the fallout from joe biden's comments from two one-time pro-segregation senators whose civility he applauded. that was his word. the controversy presents biden with a number of potential problems, including how it affects his widespread support among african-american voters. it's taking place a week before the first democratic debate. here to talk about all of it is bakari sellers, former south carolina member of the house of representatives, bakari is already endorsing senator kamala harris. former white house communications director and tar a was communications director for former republican congressman dana rohrabacher. all are senior political commentators. is he handling this as well as he should have? >> no, i think he's a bit rusty. he hasn't been on the campaign trail in a while. i think democrats piling on biden on an issue like this is just -- it's cannibalism. they are going to end up
reelecting donald trump if this is the kind of purity test they are going to apply to democrats. i don't think biden -- does anybody really believe joe biden was happy to pal around with segregationists? i mean, his record in the senate doesn't reflect that. his time serving with barack obama doesn't reflect that. so is this really the issue they want to try to kneecap him on when he has the biggest appeal right now to beat donald trump? i just don't think it's an issue that is going to move the voters that democrats need to defeat trump. could biden have handled it better? yeah. could he have used a better example? probably. but i think his point was, look, i can work with people that are segregationists. older voters understand that, especially older black voters and they're the ones who go out and vote in primaries. >> bakari, the fact that biden won't apologize for these comments, you know, we heard dr. west saying, you know, he should. i guess he's apologized or kind of had to walk back a bunch of things.
i don't know if that's part of his calculus for not doing that this time. what do you think about that? >> well, first of all, no one is calling joe biden a racist. no one is calling the former vice president a xenophobe or a bigot, but there are a lot of us who are disappointed in his remarks. i think, for me, it's two things. first, it's extremely personal. when joe biden talks about the fact that senator eastland did not call him "boy," he called him "son," it harkens to language that is probably the most degrading term that you can use to describe any african-american male. my father, my grandfather, my uncle, cornell west can tell you about it. even cory booker can tell you about the generations of african-american men who have been called down and been degraded by the term boy. and for vice president biden not to recognize that in context is a problem. but even more importantly, i think when you invoke someone like senator eastland, who said in opposition to the bus boycott, he said at every stage
of the bus boycott, we have been oppressed and degraded because of black slimy juicy unbearably stinky neggers. that is who we invoked. that is who we held with some sense of reverence. you have to see when we're talking about civility, what would they be working on. that's when you get to the record and you understand that the common bind these two gentlemen had was opposition to bussing. forced bussing, which was a method by which we had integration and the african americans were able to get to better schools. first and foremost, it's very personal. second, i don't think that someone who stumbles through issues like this, no one asked him about this. that's the most astounding thing. but he's stumbling through issues like this. how do you take on donald trump? i think it kneecaps the issue of electability. >> jen psaki, "the washington post" is reporting that advisers have heard this story before and been urging biden not to tell it in public. according to one advisor, "he's not someone you can go to and say you've been doing this x number of years and you can't do this anymore." why can't an advisor just go and say that to somebody?
i mean, you know, don't touch people who aren't clearly, you know, wanting to be touched by you, don't say this. >> i think they certainly can and they are. i think what that statement meant is he doesn't always take the advice his advisors are giving. that's been clear time and time again. you know, i think this case is one where, look, even if he's told this story before privately, i saw that reporting and i've heard that. it doesn't make the story more palatable to hear and it doesn't make it more endearing to hear, and the fact is when people are offended by it and when a major swath of the democratic electorate in the country may be offended by it, that's something where you have to pause. so i would take issue with this notion that we're trying -- anybody is trying to kneecap him. there are many people who certainly support him and have a lot of affection for him. but this does, you know, this isn't an ordination. when you make statements like this publicly, it does raise question about whether you're ready to compete at the level of being the democratic nominee. >> tara, i mean, do you think
that he's not ready? i mean, again, there had been a number of mis-steps and it hasn't, you know, he hasn't been making that many appearances, frankly. >> right. but, again, are the missteps really something that are disqualifying? i don't think so. do i think that he should have used a different example? yes. and if i were advising him i would have said, mr. vice president, probably not a good idea given what's going on with racial tensions in this country. there are plenty of other examples. let's use another one. i just don't think it's disqualifying. the underlying point he was trying to make is you have to be able to work with the other side even if you disagree with them. if you look at what's happening today, a lot of people -- when you poll voters, they want bipartisanship. they want congress to get things done. and this retreating to each other's corners in tribalism is destroying this country. i think biden's overall point here was that he's able to work with anyone, which is why he'd be the best person to go up against trump and try to get things done and heal the country. not the greatest example, but i
just don't think the pile-on, the implication is what, because he's using this example that he's not -- he's tone deaf to racial issues? i just don't think so. i think he's rusty. >> bakari, i want you to respond. very briefly. >> yeah, that's not the implication at all. the implication, though, is joe biden wants to hearken on the issues and the times of yesteryear when there are a lot of people who are ready to turn the page. this is just as much generational as anything else. i wish joe biden instead of harkening on strom thurmond and tom eastland not heros from yesterday. >> transcripts from the hope hicks testimony is out. coming up, what she had to say and notably what she did not.
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committee. accompanied by two private attorneys, three lawyers from the white house and one from the justice department, she didn't answer any questions at all about her time in the white house. she did talk about her time on the trump campaign, telling committee members that she was not aware of hush agreements with karen mcdougal and stormy daniels. hicks has never been asked to hicks said she's never been asked to lie about matters of consequences and she only told, white lies, about small matters. asked if president trump ever asked anyone to lie during the campaign she answered not that i can recall. when a committee member said have you read the mueller report? she said no, i lived the mueller report. chris cuomo joins us now. not especially revealing and not spectacularly surprising. >> not surprising, i agree with you. revealing in as much as it shows that this is a dead end and that the idea that going through the ordinary course of oversight isn't going to work here because the system allows for the executive to stymie it, and yes,
can you go to court, but you wind up achieving the same end of stalling. litigation takes time. >> what are you working on tonight? >> we have chairman schiff here. he'll tell us about the briefing on iran. what's the truth? what is tin tensional? is that clear? if so why is the president who is in the same briefing with him a mistake? what does he believe should happen going forward? we're going to make a case tonight about why i argue that this iran situation is more dangerous to the president's re-election than the mueller report ever threatened to be. we also have began spider marks and aaron david miller to talk about the political and military aspects of this situation. >> i sent you an email about this, and i was with my mom last week. we were watching cnn and i said to her, so what do you think -- what do you think of chris cuomo? she was singing your praises, he's so good. i trust him. he's so smart, and i -- i was sort of like, yeah, okay.
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♪ i wanted to take a few moments to thank all of you who have reached out to me about the death of my mom, gloria vanderbilt. your cards and e-mails and your texts and dms on instagram and treats have truly meant a lot. my mom would be stunned by all the attention and the kind words written and spoken about her. i know this because when i got her to join instagram had when she was like 92 or so she didn't think anyone would actually follow her. why would anyone be interested, she asked. it wasn't long before she had some 200,000 followers, and it tickled her beyond belief. i can't believe it she would say. she'd e-mail me constantly and sort of annoyingly what she would post, and what pictures she would post or what she would name the painting she was about to finish.
mary gordon, the author wrote a fatherless girl thinks all things possible and nothing is safe. that's how my mom felt her entire life. nothing every felt safe but everything was possibility. she never let that feeling of insecurity stop her. she never let fear or pain or loss prevent her from forging ahead, from moving forward. she always believed the best was yet to come. my mom found out june 8th that she had cancer. she lived nine more days. friends came to see her. she laughed a lot. she saw her family and nurses cared for her with true love and affection. it was the best end possible to her remarkable life. to be able to spend those nine days and nights with her was a great, great blessing. they were the most extraordinary days of my life and i'm very grateful. she died monday shortly after 4:00 a.m., and though i was holding her hand and her head when she took her last breath it's still a little hard for me
to believe she's gone. one of her friends explained her sadness by describing my mom as her north star, a person she used as a guide, a kind of light in the darkness. i never realized until now how much she was my north star as well. and right now things seem less bright and magical without her. my dad died when i was 10 and my brother when i was 21. sheings was last of my immediate family. the last person who knee me from the very beginning. they are all gone, and it feels very lonely right now. i hope they are at least together. i've said before that i've often thought of my mom as a voyager from a distant galaxy stranded here unable to return to the place and time of which she was born. i always tried to protect her but couldn't do that very well when i was 10 or 20. but i'm happy i was able to make the latter years of her life comfortable and fulfilling. when i die that might be the thing i'm most proud of.
i'm happy that we left nothing unsaid between us. she knew me and i knew her, and there's great comfort in that. you and i, it's a match made in heaven she said to me last week. we're a good team, i told her. we stayed up late that night holding hands and when she got sleepy and i got ready to leave she said to me what a wonderful night and it was. perhaps our best. ♪ she liked me to play this video of a peggy lee song on youtube. it's called "is that all there is" and we would sing along to this chorus. ♪ is that all there is, if that's all there is my friends then let's keep dancing ♪ ♪ let's break out the booze and have a ball, if that's all there
is ♪ >> i'd hold my mom's hand while we were singing and move it back and forth as though we were dancing, having a ball. ♪ if that's all there is, let's break out the booze and have a ball ♪ ♪ if that's all there is >> every time it ended my mom would say, isn't that marvelous. she'd be smiling, and it was. with her, with my mom, it was marvelous. good night. i want to turn it over to chris for "cuomo primetime." chris? >> anderson, thank you so much for sharing what is so hard to be shared. i know it means so much to so