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to this clint station. >> there's no way to look at this photo and not have your heartbroken. politicians have to talk about what they're going to do about it. good morning, everyone. welcome to your new day. wednesday, june 26th, 8:00 now in the east. first, the most anticipated hearing of the trump presidency. robert mueller will testify in public in two back-to-back hearings on july 17th. mark your calendars. democrats say their questions will go beyond what was in the mueller report, though the special counsel has already said he will only discuss what was in that report. president trump tweeting only two words in response, presidential harassment. also overnight the house voted to approve $4.5 billion in
funding to deal with the humanitarian crisis on the southern border. this photo of a salvadorian father and daughter drowning in the rio grande river while trying to reach texas. they have names. she was just 23 months old. they died yards away from the united states. and tonight, let the debates begin. ten democrats on stage making their case. what will they try to do to reach the american people? we'll talk about that in a second. we begin, though, with robert mueller. he will testify. shimon prokupecz joins us this morning. he didn't want to do this. >> no, he didn't. and it was because of this subpoena, a subpoena to him from the judiciary committee, from the house intelligence committee. they have reached an agreement now, and he's expected to testify in what will be a very long day for robert mueller on july 17th. first he's expected to appear before the judiciary committee and then at some point after that he will appear before the house intelligence committee. and then he's also supposed to
have some closed door meetings with member of the house intelligence committee. so nonetheless very big day here for robert mueller, for this investigation. news of this breaking late last night, and here's how members of congress reacted to the fact that mueller is now going to testify. >> mueller is an honest upstanding citizen and he will testify in response to the subpoena that we issued. he's not going to let the white house or anybody else tell him to defy a lawful congressional subpoena. >> bill barr has felt more than free as an attorney general to speak beyond the mueller report. and so too should bob mueller feel free to do so. >> and that is the big question john and allison, what exactly more can mueller testify to that he hasn't said in that public statement and that 443-page
report. one of the big key things in all this, did mueller not indict trump, donald trump because he is the president? because the department of justice policy does not allow for a sitting president to be indicted? how will he answer those questions, of course that is one of many questions that everyone has for robert mueller. >> yeah, those are just some of the giant questions facing robert mueller. shimon, thank you very much. i want to bring in the senior t. jeffrey, robert mueller has told us he will not answer questions beyond the scope of the report and he will just refer back to the report. that won't stop democrats and republicans, frankly, from asking what do you think they should ask about. well, i think the democrats should ask about the president's legal culpability. you know, there is this rather
tortured explanation in the report about why he laid out the evidence of obstruction of justice but didn't come to a legal conclusion about whether the president obstructed justice. attorney general barr took that as an invitation to conclude there was no obstruction of justice. what does direct mueller think about that? i think that is the core issue. and also it would be important for mueller himself to summarize the evidence in the report. you know, the fact that this report exists in text is very different from hearing in video the evidence described. and i think that -- those two things, describing the evidence and describing what his conclusions were and why he reached them, those are the most important pieces of testimony i think. >> robert mueller has said the report should speak for itself. it doesn't really answer every question, and as we all know the
headline for many people was if we had confidence the president clearly didn't commit a crime, we would have said so. is about that you haveeds of a crime? >> why did he not go across the line? was it only because he felt he was constrained by policy? if he says that, if robert mueller in any way says had i been able to, i would have indicted, that takes the democratic party from being on the fence about impeachment over the line. so this is incredibly consequential moment, and he knows that. so he's going to be sitting there trying not to say what he needs to say, but he cannot. there's going to be incredible theater, but there will be a moment where he will either have to tell the truth about why he made that decision or he's going to choke.
>> mark, what are the politics for the members sitting there asking these questions? >> significant. mueller is the one person in this whole scenario who's seen as an honest broker. he's the last boy scout in washington. so of any of the witnesses who could testify, he's going to be most important. i think it's going to be difficult for republicans to indict him in his testimony. >> they're going to try. >> they're going trying to because they were saying earlier he's been exonerated. so if they start attacking mueller, he was the guy the president said exonerated him, so which is it? >> i think that's difficult politics for republicans. >> democrats as well. these hearings are just theater and performance, everybody knows what everyone's going to say, they've got they're little sound bites. you don't know what mueller is going to say. >> i think it is tough for
democrats as well. it's complicated on both sides because the one thing mueller will make clear is there really was no conclusion, which is what trump was saying all along. >> and i think that's why nancy pelosi has been holding back. because the underlying claim mueller does not back that up. now you're in a situation it's the cover-up of a noncrime you want to go after. at the same time you can't just let the president of the united states do whatever he wants to do and have no accountability? >> can i just jump in here with a point about the no collusion argument. what mueller said was that there was no proof of a criminal conspiracy on the part of trump or his campaign to work with the russians on the -- to elect him president. that is a different thing from saying there is no evidence. what he found was there was insufficient evidence to build a case. and i think that distinction, if he outlines it directly i think
that's a real point that needs to be made. >> you're in the best in the world in explaining in 23 seconds. >> if you can ask robert mueller as a former fbi director, do you think donald trump, jr. should have reported that meeting to the fbi, that's a question he can answer. >> i think what's significant in all of this is the one thing we know barr framed the report. he framed it and mueller didn't get an opportunity to really testify. so there's an opportunity to rebalance those scales. >> let's talk about tonight. >> all right, we are so excited. spring training is over. regular season begins. >> why are you turning into a kid in a candy store? >> this is exciting stuff. first of all, elizabeth warren written off. she slipped on the banana peel, she comes crawling back and how does she do it, she says i'm not
going to talk to rich pool, i'm only going to listen to working class people. it may show tonight that if you campaign differently you sound different. i think a lot of these candidates spend a lot of time talking to rich donors, trying to get money from them. she didn't do any of this stuff. she might listen better than any democrat you come across tonight. tulsi gabbard also written off. now you're an a march with iran, the young veteran, does she have a break out moment? there's so much, pan. >> it's like the wide world of sports open here. >> except for the two times in a race where you have an opportunity to really run the dial and announce. so for the ryans, de blasios which most of america has never heard of this is a chance -- >> can i raise the provincial point here?
why are there five moderators? >> they'll be swapping it out. they'll be exhausted by all the candidates. >> it's the baby-sitter rule. you can only have so many kids with one baby-sitter. >> jeffrey, you're not a terribly excitable person. are you as excited as these guys are tonight? >> i'm super excited. i'm like a kid in a political candy store. i thought john avalon's report earlier where he talked about these famous moments, we are now in a political universe where basically almost all the famous moments from campaigns are in debates. whether it was donald trump debating all the republicans and, you know, the famous fox debate now going to be in two different movies, this is how we're going to remember this campaign. and when that moment comes, we don't know but some moment is going to be memorable. >> who's got the most to prove?
>> i think this is real opportunity for warren to show she deserve tuesday have the momentum she's got. but also she's got to maintain that momentum but for others like beto, it's like what happened to the it guy. >> it's interesting you have cory booker and beto who seem like guys with great futures behind them. there was all this buzz and excitement and once they announced, you just haven't seen it. >> cory booker has had the whole thing with joe biden. he had the first slew of publicity around that. >> i don't think it affected his numbers yet. so that means you may have the opportunity to remind people what was all the buzz about, what was all the excitement about. de blasio who is, you know, outside new york city, really a nonfactor, he could do something dramatic. i think he's got the most upside because he got in late, nobody's ta talked about it.
i think for me i'm pulling for tim ryan. i am. i am. he's like bruce springstein with no guitar. >> that's the problem. >> you've got to have the guitar. >> i don't mean to take this down a notch, though, but there is an image which i think again should weigh on the conscience of the world this morning. and let's put this up. it's oscar ramirez and his daughter velaria, 23 months old who died feet away from -- i know you're from texas. family values don't stop at the rio grande river. you worked on a campaign. >> that's one of the things that attracted me to him in 1999, so we've been talking about this issue for 20 years and still no progress. i think it'll be interesting tonight. this picture is worth way more than 1,000 words. it's really torching this debate which has been going on for a long time.
the question is does it change the equation? so it's an opportunity for the candidates tonight to see if they can challenge the equation. democrats have yet to really put forward a clear clarifying position on this debate. >> i mean, isn't that where you started and that's where the moderators start tonight with this? >> the policy pieces i think matter less than the people, the human part of it. i think where you are now is the american people accept that we should have children being treated this way, period? and i think for those of us who understand the policy and nuance of refugee asylum or whatever, this is not right. and i think whoever can just say that as cleary as possible is going to get a big response from that crowd and the american people. >> i think we're going to hear the story of this father and daughter, and oats going to put a human story behind what has been a policy debate. van, i think you're right.
i think this could be an inflection point. >> thank you very much. thank you for arousing all of our excitement for what we're going to see tonight. >> woohoo, fireworks, bring them on. there you go. the supreme court may issue opinions as early as today on two cases that have huge political implications. jessica, what might happen today? >> reporter: we are in the final few days of the supreme court's term, and of the eight remaining opinions there are two in particular that could prove consequential. the justice could weigh in today as whether or not the trump administration can add a citizenship question to the 2020 census. this has been a fraught political issue. it's played out in the halls of congress and also in the lower courts. all of the justices have been weighing what to do here, and in particular the aclu has recently come up with what they say is a trove of documents they say proves there was a political motivation behind this push to the essential question.
the problem is they came up with these documents after the supreme court heard the arguments in this case. so the aclu has asked the supreme court to put their decision on hold until the fall so further fact finding can play out in the lower courts here. the doj here has said no way supreme court, you need to make this decision by the end of june with just a few days left in the month because the doj has said the commerce department needs to prints this census by the end of june. july 1st is the deadline here. the census buree has said, look, if there's a census question added it could lead to an undercount by 6.5 million people. also another opinion the justices could weigh in on as soon as today, extreme partisan gerrymandering. when partisans go too far drawing congressional and district lines in states for purely political gain. there's also a decision we're waiting on that concerns veterans disability benefits. that goes to actually the scope
of agency power which has been a hot topic for conservatives. so while the supreme court has continued to say that it is apolitical, it's mantra has been it is dependent. it is now face would a lot of decisions that could have huge political implicationses. and justice ginsberg in a speech just a few months agofore shadowed what we might see, and she said a lot of these closely watched cases could beal sharply divided. of course this case we have that 5-4 conservative majority. we will see what plays out in the court with these highly political issues these justices have to weigh in on, and those opinions will come down at 10:00 this morning. >> less than two hours from now, so please stay tuned. huge decisions. all right, also developing this morning, throw out the politics, throw out the policy and debates and just look at this. a father and a daughter dead trying to reach the united
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i don't think there is a parent alive who hasn't tried to take care and provide for their kids that can look at that without having your heart break. in fact, i first saw it last night as i was waiting in that room to vote, and i think it reinforces how far we have to go to make sure we are doing right by people across this country and people trying to cross in this country. evidently the border measures we voted onto make sure they're adequately clothed and not facing lice infestations, we passed all of that, but that would not have taken care of all of this. we have to do more for asylum seekers and unfortunately the gentleman, oscar and his daughter velaria were seeking asylum here and i guess had grown a bit hopeless and thought it wouldn't happen. >> you've obviously worked as a
prosecutor before, what can the law do? >> we need more judges at the border. we need to hear cases more quicker. we need to make decisions. we have asylum law in this country, much of it put in place after the jewish refugees from the nazis came seeking asylum. we have to have the will in this country to start addressing the concerns at our border. >> do you think the administration has the will to address the humanitarian side of it? >> i hope so. we just passed a bill to deal with the humanitarian side of it. i know the senate has a similar bill. so congress has expressed its will of handling the crisis at the border and i certainly hope the administration begins to move forward on that. i woke up to the news also robert mueller is going to testify before the house judiciary committee and intelligence committees. what do you want to see him
answer? >> you know, as i've said for weeks now i want a further understanding of the investigation. i want to know just what it is he did not go into his report. are all the pieces of the investigation he did not get to, did they all go into the district of new york or the southern district of new york, are there more investigations that need to happen? why didn't he interview certain people, and if he had been able to talk to other members of the administration, are there holes in his report? are there holes in his summary he would have liked to fill in these interviews? >> you're looking at all this through a prosecutor's lens. up until this point you have not been calling yet for an impeachment inquiry, is that correct? >> that is correct. >> is there something that could come from this testimony on july 17 that might change your mind? >> i think that's why i've been calling for mueller to testify
for so long now just because we have got to have a greater understanding of the report, a greater understanding of his investigation. the more you understand any sort of investigation and the people that were involved and the possible venues and the possible avenues for wrongdoing, the better you are when you make those decisions, when you make a decision in the federal case whether or not to charge, in this case whether or not not to impeach. and i still think congress is getting more and more information in. >> are you closer than you were calling for an impeachment inquiry? >> i certainly want to hear what mueller has to say, i've been holding hearings as well into how we protect our election system. >> i want to ask you about that. because one of the things mueller made crystal clear we have to take very seriously the
severity on the russian attack. i was surprised yesterday because the administration did brief some reporters and some of the supporters keim utand said they heard nothing different. >> i am concerned and that's why i just held a meeting yesterday on election security. that's why i've held hearings and that's why i've been having conversations with other national security members from both sides of the aisle to discuss how we ensure that the russians don't hack into our democracy. i was a russian policy officer, i know what their objections have been over time. >> what's the one thing that needs to happen? >> the one thing that needs to happen is to have people understanding where they're getting their information from. for example, are people in chat rooms with other people, or are those other people in moskow? are people going to protest in town with their neighbors or are
those protesting instigated by the russians? >> thank you for being with us this morning. we really do appreciate your time. >> thank you so much. >> okay, john, three republicans voted with democrats to approve a $4.5 billion aid package to help the humanitarian crisis at the border. one of those republicans is going to join us next. e roasters costa rica paraíso. meet sergio. and his daughter, maria. sergio's coffee tastes spectacular. because costa rica is spectacular. so we support farmers who use natural compost. to help keep the soil healthy. and the coffee delicious. for future generations. all for a smoother tasting cup. green mountain coffee roasters.
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we've been struggling all morning with how to see this gut wrenching photograph and not turn away in horror. a father and his 23-month old daughter drowned during their attempt to cross the rio grande river and make it to the united states. this captures the extreme danger that so many central american migrants face trying to get into this country. joini joining us now is republican congressman will hurd of texas. congressman, thank you so much for being here. it's really hard to look at that photo i find at least emotionally. what do you think when you see it? >> look, it's absolutely terrible. i was just in eagle pass this weekend and the men and women on
border patrol there in eagle pass, had to do 96 rescues in the last couple of months. that's a lot of rescues. they're seeing human smugglers that are tossing children into the river in order to get border patrol to react and in some cases these men and women on patrol have to go tell a family member that somebody else that another family member drowned, and that's hard for those individuals. so it's unimaginable to think about what are they leaving nod to take this perilous journey which is one reason we need to do more to address the root cause of this crisis, which is lack of economic opportunity, violence and extreme poverty in the northern triangle, el salvador, guatemala and honduras. >> i just want to say what can congress do because they passed this $4.5 billion aid package last night in the house and does
that address the root causes? >> no, that addresses things like making sure dhs is funded through the rest of the year. we've been working on other appropriations bills to fund state department, usaid. i think the secretary department should have a senior diplomat involved in coordinating these three countries with mexico, this is problem for the entire western hemisphere and and the entire western hemisphere needs to get involved. i've seen programs the state department is doing in these countries to decrease violence. you have less people leaving there. >> as you know the trump administration has cut millions of dollars in aid to those central american countries.
they're going the opposite direction of what you're suggesting. >> and i've disagreed with that strategy. it's a fraction of the cost to solve the problem there and solve the problem here at a border and we're seeing what we're dealing with. we all know last month 144,000 people came to this country illegally for context. you have facilities that were not create today be detention facilities being overrun and over capacity. you have everyday that is involved in this process, border patrol, i.c.e., customs that are overwhelmed. you have cities and counties that are having to take the responsibility of housing people, ngos as well that are being overwhelmed also which is why i'm glad we were able to get funding to reimburse the cities and counties in the bill that was passed last night. >> congressman, if the president says again no more immigrants,
we're closed, we're full as he has said, if today they don't want to take any responsibility for what has happened to oscar and velaria because they try to warn people from taking this risky journey. they've said time and again they try to deter people. what's your response to this? >> i don't know how you actually shutdown the border, commerce, legal citizens have to be able to come back and forth. the department of homeland security is collecting all this information. if you had 144,000 people come in last month, guess what they have a cellphone number for a human smuggler, they have a license plate for the bus they have on, they have a pickup location wherever they came from, and we should be taking that information, dhs is collecting it, and ensuring the committee is collecting information to dismantle the infrastructure that is moving people from these areas up to
our southern border. >> congressman, also while you're here i want to ask you about iran. you have an op-ed in the wall street journal today, and would you make a case congress is emboldening iran. what does that mean? >> i think the decisions congress is making is sending a mixed message to iran. we have to disaggregate the issues we have in saudi arabia over the death of jamal khashoggi from what they're doing to try to stop the houthis in yemen. the houthis are being backed by iran, there's no question about it. the worst humanitarian crisis in the world right now is in yemen. if you look on the map they're right on the opening of the red sea, 30% of international commerce goes through this. that's why the iranians want to have a foothold in southern yemen. and so when we do things like we should make a very clear stance
that the houthis are a part of the problem, the iranians are a part of the problem there, and make that very clear and not send a mixed message by trying to stop arm sales, by trying to pass things like the yemen war powers act, that this is being seen by the iranian government there might be some people in congress that actually support what they're doing and can be a thorn in the side of this administration. >> well, it's a really interesting op-ed. again, it's in the wall street journal. we direct everybody to read more of the dill taz that you say will help. congressman will hurd thank you very much for being here. san francisco just became the first major american city to ban the sale of e-cigarettes. dr. san jay gupta has an inside look at this landmark new law next. chocolate would be good... snacking should be sweet and simple. the delicious taste of glucerna gives you the sweetness you crave while helping you manage your blood sugar.
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over the last couple of years, look, 1.5 million more middle schoolers and high schoolers vaping now as compared to the year before. >> in one year. >> in one year, so obviously they don't want that bar graph to keep going up. as we've been reporting on this, there's a sort of side battle going on in the fda as well. typically these things go through what's called a premarket approval before they're allowed to actually be sold and distributed. that actually hasn't happened, and saying we'll get to it in maybe in 2022 and san francisco said, look, we don't mant to wait. this should have been shown to be safe and effective, and that didn't happen. >> we've learned so much from you about e-cigarettes in the last year, but what does the science say or is there real science yet? >> we're talking about something just over the past few years there's a genesis of it and
you've seen a revolution, so we don't really know. with kids we know nicotine affects their brains differently. we know these various problems can occur as a result of that impact on the brain specifically. there's another thing, john, i want to share with you because those devices themselves is not regulated. this is device you're sticking in your mouth and you know what happens sometimes, they can start to combust, even explode. the 17-year-old had this e cigarette vaping device explode in his mouth. it completely cracked his jaw. you can see what it did there. >> i saw those images. that's terrifying. thank you for being with us. and again this is all new stuff. it's so important we have you here on this. okay, john, here's what else to watch today. >> i know what it's like to be
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city cable channel say the answer is no. they claim their bosses have stamped an expiration date on them despite their years of experience. now they're suing. >> i started at new york one in 1992. >> i'm in my 25th year. >> i have been at new york one for almost 23 years now. >> i'm one of your veteran anchors. >> these are five of the most recognizable faces in all of new york city. five long time anchor women at new york one, a local news institution. added up their time at the station totals more than 100 years. but now each of them says they're slowly becoming invisible. pushed aside to make room for younger versions. >> systematically all of the jobs that i had, all of the slots started to disappear. >> that was up to maybe 50-something weekday anchor shifts in the course of the
year. we got to zero. zero. >> i think for me it began about a year after i had my second child, i was ready to come back full time, but freelancers were hired instead to fill those hours that i might have been able to work. i saw younger employees being given the very rolls that i was asking for. >> the women say in the past two years their airtime has been cut, they've stopped appearing in promotional ads and campaigns, and their opportunities have dried up. now they're suing the network's parent company, charter communications, for gender and age discrimination. >> it doesn't make sense that you would replace somebody who's got gravitas and experience over many years who has achieved a reputation that i think the community appreciates. >> we're not talking about not having opportunities for other younger women or men. but those opportunities
shouldn't come at the expense of our careers. >> you just want to feel like they're not just waiting for your contract to expire so they can get rid of you. >> we like to think that anyone who's in opposition to what we have done would realize one day very soon it may come down to them having to decide what are you going to do? are you going to speak up? >> in response to their lawsuit charter communications issued this statement refuting their claims. we take these allegations seriously and as we complete our thorough review, we have not found any merit to them. new york one is a respectful and fair workplace and we're committed to providing a work environment in which all our employees are empowered and valued. we're proud at new york 157% of our talent are women, 55% of on-air tal want are over the age of 40, and 45% of our anory talent are women over 40. >> the statistics they gave to
you are actually misleading. the point is not how many women there are versus men. the point is what type of opportunities are the women getting, how much airtime are they getting? what we're claiming is that our five clients because of their gender and because of their age have been treated differently than older men and younger women. >> new york one is not without senior women in prominent slots on the air. according to management their daily line-up includes 14 women over the age of 40. >> our business of tv news is famously fickle. people are there one day and gone the next. what's your evidence that this is based on age rather than cheaper talent, rather than ratings, rather than research and focus groups? >> well, the fact that most of those people who have taken those slots that we used to have are a lot younger, a lot younger and a lot less experienced. >> the last two years they've created all kinds of new anchor
slots. everything that's created are for others, and the others happen to be men and younger women. >> if somebody said, okay, you can have an online prez nsence okay you can do a podcast. you haven't shutout all the opportunities. >> the department responsible for hashing out these ideas and making them happen, they've not been offered to us. >> i understand some people when they get older they slow down, they lose energy, you know, the enthusiasm isn't there. that is not true of us. >> what do you want? what would satisfy each of the five of you? you've raised awareness and now what? >> we want to change the game. we want to change it so that women are valued whether they're 40, 50, 60 or 70. i think it would be just to be given the same opportunities being given to younger women or men snch. >> or to be given the opportunities that reflect the years of experience that you have. >> what if they offered you all money? >> we'd rather have our careers.
>> yeah, you don't want to just take a check and walk away? >> no, we want to work. >> we love what we do. >> we love to tell stories. it's what we've done for almost 30 years. >> i think the cynical has led to that conclusion. there's a narrative even going around the workplace. it's understandable. we've all covered stories where that becomes the threat of the story. it's not a threat in our story. >> i was asked by someone why don't you look for a new job, and i said because i want this job, i love this job. >> charter communications also tells cnn in a statement, quote, in the last few years we've made a point at spectrum networks to start promoting our on-air personalities and we know their talent. as is typical with any network we've emphasized our most popular showings. roma who's a anchor has been promoted in an anchor the last
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